Hi

I'm in a bit of a quandary regarding what to do regarding gates.

Right, detached house with access to the rear via both sides of the house.
We were burgled the other week so we are looking to gate off the accesses.

Not sure whether to go timber gates or metal gates. Would prefer timber for
the privacy aspect, but would also like metal for the security.

Had a guy round last night to look and quoted the following (for metal
gates)

Right hand side path (approx 3 ft wide):-

Full height metal gate, dome top with spikes. Fully galvanised and painted.
Would have to build a frame which is bolted to the path to house the gate as
our neighbours wooden fence is not very secure (can be pushed about 3 inch
so the lock would be no good).

Left hand Side (approx 4.5 ft wide):-

Same style gate although no frame required. To fill the gap, a fence would
also be installed in iron to make up the difference between the gate and the
existing fence running down the left hand side boundary.

Both gates would have 5 lever locks installed.

All ironwork is galvanised and ready painted. Price I got quoted was £700
(this includes all the fitting).

Is this a good price?


I am sure a wooden gate / fence would be no more than £200, would give me
more privacy but not so sure about the security.

I know there is no way to stop any unwanted visits but as a deterrent what
do you think is best?

"diy-newby" wrote in message ...
Hi

I'm in a bit of a quandary regarding what to do regarding gates.

Right, detached house with access to the rear via both sides of the house.
We were burgled the other week so we are looking to gate off the accesses.

Not sure whether to go timber gates or metal gates. Would prefer timber
for the privacy aspect, but would also like metal for the security.

Had a guy round last night to look and quoted the following (for metal
gates)

Right hand side path (approx 3 ft wide):-

Full height metal gate, dome top with spikes. Fully galvanised and
painted. Would have to build a frame which is bolted to the path to house
the gate as our neighbours wooden fence is not very secure (can be pushed
about 3 inch so the lock would be no good).

Left hand Side (approx 4.5 ft wide):-

Same style gate although no frame required. To fill the gap, a fence would
also be installed in iron to make up the difference between the gate and
the existing fence running down the left hand side boundary.

Both gates would have 5 lever locks installed.

All ironwork is galvanised and ready painted. Price I got quoted was £700
(this includes all the fitting).

Is this a good price?


I am sure a wooden gate / fence would be no more than £200, would give me
more privacy but not so sure about the security.

I know there is no way to stop any unwanted visits but as a deterrent what
do you think is best?
Much of the cost is labour both in manufacture and fitting

If you have concrete paths then bolting posts or fames to them is possible
whether in wood or metal
If paths are soft then post holes and concreted in posts are usually needed
adding to the labour costs

I have seen many wrought iron gates fitted where within a few months ply
panels have been added for privacy, so I would always go for wooden gates

The gates you describe sound rather commercial in appearance for a
residential property and although they would doubtless do the job may not
look right. And of course they would be completely useless if an intruder
could just gain access by going into your neighbours garden and hopping over
a fence elsewhere on you property

Tony

Where in the country are you? The reason I ask is that my brother has his
own gates and security bars type business near Leeds.

HTH

John

"John" wrote in message
...
Where in the country are you? The reason I ask is that my brother has his
own gates and security bars type business near Leeds.

HTH

John


I'm in Leeds!!!

What is the company called?

On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:17:43 -0000, diy-newby wrote:

Not sure whether to go timber gates or metal gates. Would prefer timber
for the privacy aspect, but would also like metal for the security.

What makes you think metal is more secure? They'll probably be lighter
than timber and it's easy to put a jack between the bars and push them
apart (always assuming there isn't an easier rear access over a fence or
WHY).

--
Cheers
Dave. pam is missing e-mail

"diy-newby" wrote in message ...

I'm in Leeds!!!

What is the company called?


I don't like to give his details out on the 'net. If you send me an email
to john(dot)ledger(at)btconnect(dot)com I will reply with his details.

Cheers

John

diy-newby wrote:

Hi

I'm in a bit of a quandary regarding what to do regarding gates.

Right, detached house with access to the rear via both sides of the house.
We were burgled the other week so we are looking to gate off the accesses.
Not sure whether to go timber gates or metal gates. Would prefer timber for
the privacy aspect, but would also like metal for the security.
Right hand side path (approx 3 ft wide):-
Left hand Side (approx 4.5 ft wide):-
Both gates would have 5 lever locks installed.
All ironwork is galvanised and ready painted. Price I got quoted was £700
(this includes all the fitting).

Is this a good price?

Fitted, then yes, that is good. Just a pair of steel gates 7' wide is
£350 upwards.

I am sure a wooden gate / fence would be no more than £200, would give me
more privacy but not so sure about the security.

I know you'd struggle to get a pair of wooden gates fitted for £200 - I
replaced one myslef a couple of weeks ago for a customer and charged
£75. - I will be lucky if I made £20 on that. (it comprised - 3' Wooden
gate made by myself,2 good hinges, pad bolt and suffolk latch, and one
fence post to screw it to).
If I do one again, it'll have to be £100 to replace the gate alone, and
more if new framing is needed.
Alan.


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On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:17:43 -0000, "diy-newby" wrote:


Both gates would have 5 lever locks installed.


If normal domestic 5 lever mortice locks are used (They are on mine)
they can be exposed to more weather than if morticed into a door that
closes into a frame and are not designed for this. A more traditional
method would be a substantial sliding bolt secured with a padlock
which can be as secure as you want to pay for.


All ironwork is galvanised and ready painted. Price I got quoted was £700
(this includes all the fitting).

Is this a good price?


I am sure a wooden gate / fence would be no more than £200, would give me
more privacy but not so sure about the security.

In Leeds a local joiner charged me £250 for 6 hours labour only just
last week.

To make up and fit custom set of gates + fencing, inc. fittings £700
wouldn't appear to be robbery.

I know there is no way to stop any unwanted visits but as a deterrent what
do you think is best?

They might be able to just hop over your gates / fence / back hedge
but they can't do it carrying your telly. Normally they won't come in
unless they are can see an unimpeded exit route so securely locked
gates are a deterrant. Padlocks and chains are also very noisy when
roughly handled.

Saxons, Topcliffe Lane, Tingley, Morley Leeds, LS27 0HL

Tel: 0113 252 7165 make most (?) of the gates fitted by jobbing
tradesmen in South Leeds.

DG

"Derek Geldard" wrote in message
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:17:43 -0000, "diy-newby" wrote:


Both gates would have 5 lever locks installed.


If normal domestic 5 lever mortice locks are used (They are on mine)
they can be exposed to more weather than if morticed into a door that
closes into a frame and are not designed for this. A more traditional
method would be a substantial sliding bolt secured with a padlock
which can be as secure as you want to pay for.


All ironwork is galvanised and ready painted. Price I got quoted was £700
(this includes all the fitting).

Is this a good price?


I am sure a wooden gate / fence would be no more than £200, would give me
more privacy but not so sure about the security.

In Leeds a local joiner charged me £250 for 6 hours labour only just
last week.

£250 for 6 hours labour only, Jeesh did he have a gold saw or something? I
live in Leeds and have several joiner (trained) mates and they only charge
in the region of £150 for an 8 hour day

To make up and fit custom set of gates + fencing, inc. fittings £700
wouldn't appear to be robbery.

I know there is no way to stop any unwanted visits but as a deterrent what
do you think is best?

They might be able to just hop over your gates / fence / back hedge
but they can't do it carrying your telly. Normally they won't come in
unless they are can see an unimpeded exit route so securely locked
gates are a deterrant. Padlocks and chains are also very noisy when
roughly handled.

Saxons, Topcliffe Lane, Tingley, Morley Leeds, LS27 0HL

Tel: 0113 252 7165 make most (?) of the gates fitted by jobbing
tradesmen in South Leeds.

They don't make the ones my brother fits, he does! If the OP replies to my
earlier post I will pass on his details.

HTH

John

A.Lee wrote:
diy-newby wrote:

Hi

I'm in a bit of a quandary regarding what to do regarding gates.

Right, detached house with access to the rear via both sides of the
house. We were burgled the other week so we are looking to gate off
the accesses. Not sure whether to go timber gates or metal gates.
Would prefer timber for the privacy aspect, but would also like
metal for the security.
Right hand side path (approx 3 ft wide):-
Left hand Side (approx 4.5 ft wide):-
Both gates would have 5 lever locks installed.
All ironwork is galvanised and ready painted. Price I got quoted was
£700 (this includes all the fitting).

Is this a good price?

Fitted, then yes, that is good. Just a pair of steel gates 7' wide is
£350 upwards.

I am sure a wooden gate / fence would be no more than £200, would
give me more privacy but not so sure about the security.

I know you'd struggle to get a pair of wooden gates fitted for £200 -
I replaced one myslef a couple of weeks ago for a customer and charged
£75. - I will be lucky if I made £20 on that. (it comprised - 3'
Wooden gate made by myself,2 good hinges, pad bolt and suffolk latch,
and one fence post to screw it to).
If I do one again, it'll have to be £100 to replace the gate alone,
and more if new framing is needed.

I'd agree with Alan, the hardwear alone would cost £20+ per gate, timber
another £30+ easily.
The metal gate price sounds OK to me, but as someone else said privacy is
an issue.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
01634 717930
07850 597257

On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:17:44 -0000, "John"
wrote:

In Leeds a local joiner charged me £250 for 6 hours labour only just
last week.

£250 for 6 hours labour only, Jeesh did he have a gold saw or something? I
live in Leeds and have several joiner (trained) mates and they only charge
in the region of £150 for an 8 hour day

The 6 hours was over 2 days if that makes any difference. He's 65
years old with a lifetimes experience and is fast and efficient. We
have dealt with him for ~20 years. He is absolutely mowed under with
work. South Leeds (Morley) is not at all affluent and we don't chuck
our brass about - go figure.

Experienced local plumbers with a good reputation charge about the
same. National plumbers *Much* more, like £1300 for one "Corgi" and an
18 Y.O. "Oik" to replace my existing central heating boiler one
December just before Christmas. No heating, no hot water, no baths, no
showers unless *cold*. Start 8-45 am finish 15-00 pm. Materials used?
I'd say OTT at 15 quid (Plus the boiler of course!).

Oh, the local plumber's answering machine said he was away on a cruise
for 3 weeks. $%*-steward.

To make up and fit custom set of gates + fencing, inc. fittings £700
wouldn't appear to be robbery.

I know there is no way to stop any unwanted visits but as a deterrent what
do you think is best?

They might be able to just hop over your gates / fence / back hedge
but they can't do it carrying your telly. Normally they won't come in
unless they are can see an unimpeded exit route so securely locked
gates are a deterrant. Padlocks and chains are also very noisy when
roughly handled.

Saxons, Topcliffe Lane, Tingley, Morley Leeds, LS27 0HL

Tel: 0113 252 7165 make most (?) of the gates fitted by jobbing
tradesmen in South Leeds.

They don't make the ones my brother fits, he does!

That's fine.

If the OP replies to my earlier post I will pass on his details.


Send them to me as well if you like, I have several runs of cracked
wobbly perforated concrete screen blocks I have to replace.

DG

diy-newby wrote:
Hi

I'm in a bit of a quandary regarding what to do regarding gates.

Right, detached house with access to the rear via both sides of the house.
We were burgled the other week so we are looking to gate off the accesses.

Not sure whether to go timber gates or metal gates. Would prefer timber for
the privacy aspect, but would also like metal for the security.

Had a guy round last night to look and quoted the following (for metal
gates)

Right hand side path (approx 3 ft wide):-

Full height metal gate, dome top with spikes. Fully galvanised and painted.
Would have to build a frame which is bolted to the path to house the gate as
our neighbours wooden fence is not very secure (can be pushed about 3 inch
so the lock would be no good).

Left hand Side (approx 4.5 ft wide):-

Same style gate although no frame required. To fill the gap, a fence would
also be installed in iron to make up the difference between the gate and the
existing fence running down the left hand side boundary.

Both gates would have 5 lever locks installed.

All ironwork is galvanised and ready painted. Price I got quoted was £700
(this includes all the fitting).

Is this a good price?


I am sure a wooden gate / fence would be no more than £200, would give me
more privacy but not so sure about the security.

I know there is no way to stop any unwanted visits but as a deterrent what
do you think is best?


Make a gate using 19mm T&G v-jointed timber in a ledged and braced
design, say about 8 feet high. This gives a smooth surface & will be
difficult for anyone to climb. Use two bolts on the top and bottom
ledges and fit a mortice lock on a block of wood on or just below the
centre rail. Infitted one like this about 8 years ago and despite a
comment to the contrary the lock still works.

Malcolm

"Derek Geldard" wrote in message
...

. South Leeds (Morley) is not at all affluent and we don't chuck
our brass about - go figure.

I , and my mates, also live in South Leeds (Rothwell) and we don't chuck
our brass around either!


Experienced local plumbers with a good reputation charge about the
same.

Experienced local brain surgeons with a good reputation charge a lot more.
The type of work and skills involved dictate the price. What I was trying
to say was that £250 for a joiner doing 6 hours work, however old or
experienced, in my opinion is way OTT.

Send them to me as well if you like, I have several runs of cracked
wobbly perforated concrete screen blocks I have to replace.

If your E Mail address is not a Spam trap I will.

HTH

John

On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 22:54:22 GMT, Malcolm Race
wrote:

Make a gate using 19mm T&G v-jointed timber in a ledged and braced
design, say about 8 feet high. This gives a smooth surface & will be
difficult for anyone to climb. Use two bolts on the top and bottom
ledges and fit a mortice lock on a block of wood on or just below the
centre rail. Infitted one like this about 8 years ago and despite a
comment to the contrary the lock still works.


You haven't made it clear to which comment you refer, but mine (and I
don't see any other) concerned a mortice lock fitted to a gate
fabricated out of wrought iron or (more likely) steel strip.

A mortice lock advertised to meet BS 3621 (or some lesser standard)
only meets that specification if it is installed as specified in the
standard.

In general that means **** all wrought iron (type) gates or 19 mm
timber.

HTH 8-)

DG

"John" wrote in message
...

"Derek Geldard" wrote in message
...

. South Leeds (Morley) is not at all affluent and we don't chuck
our brass about - go figure.

I , and my mates, also live in South Leeds (Rothwell) and we don't chuck
our brass around either!

I live in north Leeds (Chapeltown) and we don't chuck ours about either. We
don't have any tradesmen (or women). This is a diy group :-)


Experienced local plumbers with a good reputation charge about the
same.

Experienced local brain surgeons with a good reputation charge a lot more.

Mine charged nothing.

Mary

On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:33:36 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:

I live in north Leeds (Chapeltown) and we don't chuck ours about either.

Oh, but you do. ;-)

We don't have any tradesmen (or women).

Really?

Let me guess. You have them bussed in from Poland?

(Many a true word ... )

This is a diy group :-)


Experienced local plumbers with a good reputation charge about the
same.

Experienced local brain surgeons with a good reputation charge a lot more.

Mine charged nothing.


I think you'll find that's not actually the case. It's more likely
that someone else paid the bill. There is a difference.

However, since this is a DIY group, maybe you did it yourself. I often
wondered if dentists patched up their own teeth in the mirror but
that's ridiculous.

DG

"Derek Geldard" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:33:36 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:

I live in north Leeds (Chapeltown) and we don't chuck ours about either.

Oh, but you do. ;-)

In our opinion we don't.

We don't have any tradesmen (or women).

Really?

sigh We don't have any tradeswo/men doing work for us.

Let me guess. You have them bussed in from Poland?

No, we do everything ourselves.

(Many a true word ... )

There have been Polish people in Chapeltown since WW2. Some in our street.
Those older ones are dying off though, leaving lots of (usually) Italisan
widows. It's sociologically fascinating . Not to everone, I suppose ...

This is a diy group :-)


Experienced local brain surgeons with a good reputation charge a lot
more.

Mine charged nothing.


I think you'll find that's not actually the case. It's more likely
that someone else paid the bill. There is a difference.

OK, I was charged nothing at the point of service. Happy now?

Bet you're not.

However, since this is a DIY group, maybe you did it yourself. I often
wondered if dentists patched up their own teeth in the mirror but
that's ridiculous.

I've done it. I've stabilised broken bones with plaster too.

Needs must ...

Mary

Mary Fisher wrote:
"John" wrote in message
...

"Derek Geldard" wrote in message
. ..


. South Leeds (Morley) is not at all affluent and we don't chuck
our brass about - go figure.

I , and my mates, also live in South Leeds (Rothwell) and we don't chuck
our brass around either!


I live in north Leeds (Chapeltown) and we don't chuck ours about either. We
don't have any tradesmen (or women). This is a diy group :-)


Experienced local plumbers with a good reputation charge about the
same.

Experienced local brain surgeons with a good reputation charge a lot more.


Mine charged nothing.

Mary

Not even a search fee?
;-)
Runs and hides in cupboard under the stairs until Mary stops throwing
things.

"PJ" wrote in message
...

Experienced local brain surgeons with a good reputation charge a lot
more.


Mine charged nothing.

Mary
Not even a search fee?
;-)
Runs and hides in cupboard under the stairs until Mary stops throwing
things.

No, but when the family asked what he'd done and he said he'd taken out the
smaller mass they wondered if he'd removed the wrong one.

I seem to function without it and don't have the nasty symptoms I had with
it so I'm not complaining :-)

I never throw things by the way - except words :-)

Mary

"John" wrote in message
...

"Derek Geldard" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:17:43 -0000, "diy-newby" wrote:


Both gates would have 5 lever locks installed.


If normal domestic 5 lever mortice locks are used (They are on mine)
they can be exposed to more weather than if morticed into a door that
closes into a frame and are not designed for this. A more traditional
method would be a substantial sliding bolt secured with a padlock
which can be as secure as you want to pay for.


All ironwork is galvanised and ready painted. Price I got quoted was £700
(this includes all the fitting).

Is this a good price?


I am sure a wooden gate / fence would be no more than £200, would give me
more privacy but not so sure about the security.

In Leeds a local joiner charged me £250 for 6 hours labour only just
last week.

£250 for 6 hours labour only, Jeesh did he have a gold saw or something?
I live in Leeds and have several joiner (trained) mates and they only
charge in the region of £150 for an 8 hour day

To make up and fit custom set of gates + fencing, inc. fittings £700
wouldn't appear to be robbery.

I know there is no way to stop any unwanted visits but as a deterrent
what
do you think is best?

They might be able to just hop over your gates / fence / back hedge
but they can't do it carrying your telly. Normally they won't come in
unless they are can see an unimpeded exit route so securely locked
gates are a deterrant. Padlocks and chains are also very noisy when
roughly handled.

Saxons, Topcliffe Lane, Tingley, Morley Leeds, LS27 0HL

Tel: 0113 252 7165 make most (?) of the gates fitted by jobbing
tradesmen in South Leeds.

They don't make the ones my brother fits, he does! If the OP replies to
my earlier post I will pass on his details.

HTH

John


HI, email sent.

"Derek Geldard" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:17:43 -0000, "diy-newby" wrote:


Both gates would have 5 lever locks installed.


If normal domestic 5 lever mortice locks are used (They are on mine)
they can be exposed to more weather than if morticed into a door that
closes into a frame and are not designed for this. A more traditional
method would be a substantial sliding bolt secured with a padlock
which can be as secure as you want to pay for.


All ironwork is galvanised and ready painted. Price I got quoted was £700
(this includes all the fitting).

Is this a good price?


I am sure a wooden gate / fence would be no more than £200, would give me
more privacy but not so sure about the security.

In Leeds a local joiner charged me £250 for 6 hours labour only just
last week.

To make up and fit custom set of gates + fencing, inc. fittings £700
wouldn't appear to be robbery.

I know there is no way to stop any unwanted visits but as a deterrent what
do you think is best?

They might be able to just hop over your gates / fence / back hedge
but they can't do it carrying your telly. Normally they won't come in
unless they are can see an unimpeded exit route so securely locked
gates are a deterrant. Padlocks and chains are also very noisy when
roughly handled.

Saxons, Topcliffe Lane, Tingley, Morley Leeds, LS27 0HL

Tel: 0113 252 7165 make most (?) of the gates fitted by jobbing
tradesmen in South Leeds.

DG


DG. I know Saxons, they are not very far from where I live.