After recently attending the retirement ceremony for my rusted-out and
falling-apart ancient propane gas barbecue grill, I replaced it with my
first charcoal grill in 22 years. Getting ready for the Fourth you know.

But when buying my first bag of charcoal in these same 22 years, I find
that my former favorite fuel- a 20 pound bag of Kingsford Briquets- now
weighs only 18.6 pounds.

Guess I shouldn't be too surprised as a five pound bag of sugar now
weighs four pounds, a pound-bag of ground coffee contains but 11.5
ounces and most horridly, a half-gallon bottle of Scotch now is only
1.75 liters.

Milk and gas are next, I guess......

--
I fear the day technology will surpass our human interaction. The world
will have a generation of idiots.
- Albert Einstein

On 6/30/2017 11:54 AM, Wade Garrett wrote:
After recently attending the retirement ceremony for my rusted-out and
falling-apart ancient propane gas barbecue grill, I replaced it with my
first charcoal grill in 22 years. Getting ready for the Fourth you know.

But when buying my first bag of charcoal in these same 22 years, I find
that my former favorite fuel- a 20 pound bag of Kingsford Briquets- now
weighs only 18.6 pounds.

Guess I shouldn't be too surprised as a five pound bag of sugar now
weighs four pounds, a pound-bag of ground coffee contains but 11.5
ounces and most horridly, a half-gallon bottle of Scotch now is only
1.75 liters.

Milk and gas are next, I guess......

I just got a new 5 gallon tank of propane. If you read the label you
will see it contains 16 lbs which is about 4 gallons of propane.

Lot of us have at least some technical education and full understanding
of weights and measures and density and the like and it is annoying the
crap they get away with.

They sell lettuce by the head but if you weigh a head of lettuce and
calculate cost per pound you will be surprised how high it is.

On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 12:27:00 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

They sell lettuce by the head but if you weigh a head of lettuce and
calculate cost per pound you will be surprised how high it is.

I always buy the heaviest one I find and if they are all like cotton
balls I do without for a few days.

On Friday, June 30, 2017 at 11:54:54 AM UTC-4, Wade Garrett wrote:
After recently attending the retirement ceremony for my rusted-out and
falling-apart ancient propane gas barbecue grill, I replaced it with my
first charcoal grill in 22 years. Getting ready for the Fourth you know.

But when buying my first bag of charcoal in these same 22 years, I find
that my former favorite fuel- a 20 pound bag of Kingsford Briquets- now
weighs only 18.6 pounds.

Guess I shouldn't be too surprised as a five pound bag of sugar now
weighs four pounds, a pound-bag of ground coffee contains but 11.5
ounces and most horridly, a half-gallon bottle of Scotch now is only
1.75 liters.

Funny, my 5-pound bag of sugar is still 5 pounds (4 pound bags are
also available), and a 1-pound bag of coffee is still 1 pound. I've
seen smaller bags in the grocery store, but I generally go right to the
roaster for coffee.

Cindy Hamilton

On Friday, June 30, 2017 at 12:49:27 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 12:27:00 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

They sell lettuce by the head but if you weigh a head of lettuce and
calculate cost per pound you will be surprised how high it is.

I always buy the heaviest one I find and if they are all like cotton
balls I do without for a few days.

I find the quality of a looser head of lettuce to be superior. If
they're all like cannon balls, I do without for a few days.

Cindy Hamilton

On 6/30/2017 11:54 AM, Wade Garrett wrote:
Milk and gas are next, I guess......

Too late for gas, the sneaky ****ers are already diluting gasoline with ethanol.

On 6/30/17 1:24 PM, e90 wrote:
On 6/30/2017 11:54 AM, Wade Garrett wrote:
Milk and gas are next, I guess......

Too late for gas, the sneaky ****ers are already diluting gasoline with
ethanol.


Nice catch, I missed that!

On 6/30/2017 1:04 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Friday, June 30, 2017 at 12:49:27 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 12:27:00 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

They sell lettuce by the head but if you weigh a head of lettuce and
calculate cost per pound you will be surprised how high it is.

I always buy the heaviest one I find and if they are all like cotton
balls I do without for a few days.

I find the quality of a looser head of lettuce to be superior. If
they're all like cannon balls, I do without for a few days.

Cindy Hamilton

Interesting point. I made a salad today and noted center of lettuce
head going bad. Neighbor had given us loose lettuce from her garden and
it seemed to keep a long time.

On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 11:54:48 -0400, Wade Garrett
wrote:

After recently attending the retirement ceremony for my rusted-out and
falling-apart ancient propane gas barbecue grill, I replaced it with my
first charcoal grill in 22 years. Getting ready for the Fourth you know.

But when buying my first bag of charcoal in these same 22 years, I find
that my former favorite fuel- a 20 pound bag of Kingsford Briquets- now
weighs only 18.6 pounds.

Guess I shouldn't be too surprised as a five pound bag of sugar now
weighs four pounds, a pound-bag of ground coffee contains but 11.5
ounces and most horridly, a half-gallon bottle of Scotch now is only
1.75 liters.

Milk and gas are next, I guess......

Buy the longer burning charcoal, use less, attain higher heat temps.
It doesn't take much charcoal to cook a steak, ribs, prime rib beef or
a 7 lb. pork butt.

We don't know your grill or how you tuned it for a long - overnight
cooks or if the bag is lump charcoal.

An OZ of pot costs more than it did in the 60's :-)

On 6/30/17 4:22 PM, Oren wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 11:54:48 -0400, Wade Garrett
wrote:

After recently attending the retirement ceremony for my rusted-out and
falling-apart ancient propane gas barbecue grill, I replaced it with my
first charcoal grill in 22 years. Getting ready for the Fourth you know.

But when buying my first bag of charcoal in these same 22 years, I find
that my former favorite fuel- a 20 pound bag of Kingsford Briquets- now
weighs only 18.6 pounds.

Guess I shouldn't be too surprised as a five pound bag of sugar now
weighs four pounds, a pound-bag of ground coffee contains but 11.5
ounces and most horridly, a half-gallon bottle of Scotch now is only
1.75 liters.

Milk and gas are next, I guess......

Buy the longer burning charcoal, use less, attain higher heat temps.
It doesn't take much charcoal to cook a steak, ribs, prime rib beef or
a 7 lb. pork butt.

We don't know your grill or how you tuned it for a long - overnight
cooks or if the bag is lump charcoal.

An OZ of pot costs more than it did in the 60's :-)


It seems you've missed my point which is sellers have reduced
long-standing and familiar standard package sizes in lieu of raising
prices ;-)

--
Never admit anything, even on your death bed. You might unexpectedly
recover.
- Jack Reacher

Wade Garrett wrote:

I find
that my former favorite fuel- a 20 pound bag of Kingsford Briquets- now
weighs only 18.6 pounds.

The carbon tax in action.

On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 16:41:53 -0400, Wade Garrett
wrote:

On 6/30/17 4:22 PM, Oren wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 11:54:48 -0400, Wade Garrett
wrote:

After recently attending the retirement ceremony for my rusted-out and
falling-apart ancient propane gas barbecue grill, I replaced it with my
first charcoal grill in 22 years. Getting ready for the Fourth you know.

But when buying my first bag of charcoal in these same 22 years, I find
that my former favorite fuel- a 20 pound bag of Kingsford Briquets- now
weighs only 18.6 pounds.

Guess I shouldn't be too surprised as a five pound bag of sugar now
weighs four pounds, a pound-bag of ground coffee contains but 11.5
ounces and most horridly, a half-gallon bottle of Scotch now is only
1.75 liters.

Milk and gas are next, I guess......

Buy the longer burning charcoal, use less, attain higher heat temps.
It doesn't take much charcoal to cook a steak, ribs, prime rib beef or
a 7 lb. pork butt.

We don't know your grill or how you tuned it for a long - overnight
cooks or if the bag is lump charcoal.

An OZ of pot costs more than it did in the 60's :-)


It seems you've missed my point which is sellers have reduced
long-standing and familiar standard package sizes in lieu of raising
prices ;-)

It didn't start today. Check your ice cream packages.

Try to keep up :-)

Oren wrote:

An OZ of pot costs more than it did in the 60's :-)

Adjusted for inflation? And you know this how?

On 6/30/2017 4:42 PM, Neill Massello wrote:
Oren wrote:

An OZ of pot costs more than it did in the 60's :-)
Adjusted for inflation? And you know this how?

He knows a guy that knows a guy ... FWIW from what I hear from a guy
that knows a guy the strength is a lot higher (!) now too . I also know
a guy that knows a guy that knows a guy that grows his own for free .
But it's not as good as that stuff they sell over the counter in
Colorado . Or so I've been told .

Anybody wanna shot of this Terkillyta reposada ? 100% blue agave ...

--

Snag

On 06/30/2017 11:04 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
Funny, my 5-pound bag of sugar is still 5 pounds (4 pound bags are
also available), and a 1-pound bag of coffee is still 1 pound. I've
seen smaller bags in the grocery store, but I generally go right to the
roaster for coffee.

I don't recall seeing 5 lb bags of sugar where I shop for either the
name brands or the generics; they are all 4 lbs. I buy beans so a pound
of beans is a pound. Some 3 lb cans of ground coffee have 3 lbs. I used
to buy MJB. I have some old cans I use for cereal storage that are
marked 39 ounces. The latest offerings are 33.9. There was one brand
that advertised that although it was only 33 ounces it made as much
coffee as 48 ounces used to. Less is more. Orwell would be pleased.

On 06/30/2017 03:24 PM, Oren wrote:
It didn't start today. Check your ice cream packages.

I had a cousin that worked for Sealtest. They had several levels of
quality. The cheap half-gallon blocks didn't differ much in ingredients
from the expensive ones but had a lot more air pumped into the mix.

He ruined my taste for Fudgsicles too. When the ice cream passed its
expiration date the route driver would bring it back to the plant. It
was melted and any fruit, nuts, or other solids were strained out. The
only thing that would cover up the assorted flavors was chocolate. The
resulting mixture was recast into a Fudgsicle.

As another factoid, I once picked up a load of beer that had passed its
shelf life and took it to an operation in Rancho Cucamonga, CA that
distilled out the alcohol. They also accepted soft drinks which they
fermented and distilled. They would get a certain percentage of diet
soda that they discarded and wrote off.

Make you wonder where the other past its prime stuff winds up.

On 6/30/2017 4:41 PM, Wade Garrett wrote:


It seems you've missed my point which is sellers have reduced
long-standing and familiar standard package sizes in lieu of raising
prices ;-)


It has been rampant the past 10 years or so. A half gallon of ice cream
is 1.5 quarts and a quart of may is 30 ounces. IMO, it is just a slezy
wzy to slip in a price increase

On 6/30/2017 11:54 AM, Wade Garrett wrote:
After recently attending the retirement ceremony for my rusted-out and
falling-apart ancient propane gas barbecue grill, I replaced it with my
first charcoal grill in 22 years. Getting ready for the Fourth you know.

But when buying my first bag of charcoal in these same 22 years, I find
that my former favorite fuel- a 20 pound bag of Kingsford Briquets- now
weighs only 18.6 pounds.

Skip the briquets, get lump charcoal or use hardwood and burn it down to
coals. Better flavor, no chemicals needed to start it. .

On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 11:54:48 -0400, Wade Garrett
wrote:

After recently attending the retirement ceremony for my rusted-out and
falling-apart ancient propane gas barbecue grill, I replaced it with my
first charcoal grill in 22 years. Getting ready for the Fourth you know.
But when buying my first bag of charcoal in these same 22 years, I find
that my former favorite fuel- a 20 pound bag of Kingsford Briquets- now
weighs only 18.6 pounds.
Guess I shouldn't be too surprised as a five pound bag of sugar now
weighs four pounds, a pound-bag of ground coffee contains but 11.5
ounces and most horridly, a half-gallon bottle of Scotch now is only
1.75 liters.
Milk and gas are next, I guess......


I went to buy some 2 x 4 's today and they didn't
measure up at all ! I'm calling my lawyer !
John T.

On Friday, June 30, 2017 at 9:02:49 PM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
On 06/30/2017 03:24 PM, Oren wrote:
It didn't start today. Check your ice cream packages.

I had a cousin that worked for Sealtest. They had several levels of
quality. The cheap half-gallon blocks didn't differ much in ingredients
from the expensive ones but had a lot more air pumped into the mix.

He ruined my taste for Fudgsicles too. When the ice cream passed its
expiration date the route driver would bring it back to the plant. It
was melted and any fruit, nuts, or other solids were strained out. The
only thing that would cover up the assorted flavors was chocolate. The
resulting mixture was recast into a Fudgsicle.

As another factoid, I once picked up a load of beer that had passed its
shelf life and took it to an operation in Rancho Cucamonga, CA that
distilled out the alcohol. They also accepted soft drinks which they
fermented and distilled. They would get a certain percentage of diet
soda that they discarded and wrote off.

Make you wonder where the other past its prime stuff winds up.


A nursing home. ヽ(ヅ)ノ

[8~{} Uncle Prime Monster

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 6/30/2017 11:54 AM, Wade Garrett wrote:
After recently attending the retirement ceremony for my rusted-out and
falling-apart ancient propane gas barbecue grill, I replaced it with my
first charcoal grill in 22 years. Getting ready for the Fourth you know.
But when buying my first bag of charcoal in these same 22 years, I find
that my former favorite fuel- a 20 pound bag of Kingsford Briquets-
now weighs only 18.6 pounds.

Skip the briquets, get lump charcoal or use hardwood and burn it down to
coals. Better flavor, no chemicals needed to start it. .

Never use chemicals.

Greg

On Friday, June 30, 2017 at 4:42:02 PM UTC-4, Wade Garrett wrote:
On 6/30/17 4:22 PM, Oren wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 11:54:48 -0400, Wade Garrett
wrote:

After recently attending the retirement ceremony for my rusted-out and
falling-apart ancient propane gas barbecue grill, I replaced it with my
first charcoal grill in 22 years. Getting ready for the Fourth you know.

But when buying my first bag of charcoal in these same 22 years, I find
that my former favorite fuel- a 20 pound bag of Kingsford Briquets- now
weighs only 18.6 pounds.

Guess I shouldn't be too surprised as a five pound bag of sugar now
weighs four pounds, a pound-bag of ground coffee contains but 11.5
ounces and most horridly, a half-gallon bottle of Scotch now is only
1.75 liters.

Milk and gas are next, I guess......

Buy the longer burning charcoal, use less, attain higher heat temps.
It doesn't take much charcoal to cook a steak, ribs, prime rib beef or
a 7 lb. pork butt.

We don't know your grill or how you tuned it for a long - overnight
cooks or if the bag is lump charcoal.

An OZ of pot costs more than it did in the 60's :-)


It seems you've missed my point which is sellers have reduced
long-standing and familiar standard package sizes in lieu of raising
prices ;-)

Sure, why not? They want to sell stuff, but their costs have increased,
and they know that people would squawk if prices increased. It's
capitalism in action.

Cindy Hamilton

On Friday, June 30, 2017 at 9:49:26 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:
On 06/30/2017 11:04 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
Funny, my 5-pound bag of sugar is still 5 pounds (4 pound bags are
also available), and a 1-pound bag of coffee is still 1 pound. I've
seen smaller bags in the grocery store, but I generally go right to the
roaster for coffee.

I don't recall seeing 5 lb bags of sugar where I shop for either the
name brands or the generics; they are all 4 lbs. I buy beans so a pound
of beans is a pound. Some 3 lb cans of ground coffee have 3 lbs. I used
to buy MJB. I have some old cans I use for cereal storage that are
marked 39 ounces. The latest offerings are 33.9. There was one brand
that advertised that although it was only 33 ounces it made as much
coffee as 48 ounces used to. Less is more. Orwell would be pleased.

Perhaps your grocery store feels it isn't worth stocking 5-pound bags
of sugar. Perhaps they discovered the uncritical customers grabbed
the 4-pound bag at a lower price and left the more expensive 5-pound
bag on the shelf.

It's the free market, man.

Cindy Hamilton

On 6/30/2017 10:15 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 11:54:48 -0400, Wade Garrett
wrote:

After recently attending the retirement ceremony for my rusted-out and
falling-apart ancient propane gas barbecue grill, I replaced it with my
first charcoal grill in 22 years. Getting ready for the Fourth you know.
But when buying my first bag of charcoal in these same 22 years, I find
that my former favorite fuel- a 20 pound bag of Kingsford Briquets- now
weighs only 18.6 pounds.
Guess I shouldn't be too surprised as a five pound bag of sugar now
weighs four pounds, a pound-bag of ground coffee contains but 11.5
ounces and most horridly, a half-gallon bottle of Scotch now is only
1.75 liters.
Milk and gas are next, I guess......


I went to buy some 2 x 4 's today and they didn't
measure up at all ! I'm calling my lawyer !
John T.

And, plywood too, with the thicknesses in 32nds!

On 7/1/2017 8:15 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Friday, June 30, 2017 at 4:42:02 PM UTC-4, Wade Garrett wrote:
On 6/30/17 4:22 PM, Oren wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 11:54:48 -0400, Wade Garrett
wrote:

After recently attending the retirement ceremony for my rusted-out and
falling-apart ancient propane gas barbecue grill, I replaced it with my
first charcoal grill in 22 years. Getting ready for the Fourth you know.

But when buying my first bag of charcoal in these same 22 years, I find
that my former favorite fuel- a 20 pound bag of Kingsford Briquets- now
weighs only 18.6 pounds.

Guess I shouldn't be too surprised as a five pound bag of sugar now
weighs four pounds, a pound-bag of ground coffee contains but 11.5
ounces and most horridly, a half-gallon bottle of Scotch now is only
1.75 liters.

Milk and gas are next, I guess......

Buy the longer burning charcoal, use less, attain higher heat temps.
It doesn't take much charcoal to cook a steak, ribs, prime rib beef or
a 7 lb. pork butt.

We don't know your grill or how you tuned it for a long - overnight
cooks or if the bag is lump charcoal.

An OZ of pot costs more than it did in the 60's :-)


It seems you've missed my point which is sellers have reduced
long-standing and familiar standard package sizes in lieu of raising
prices ;-)

Sure, why not? They want to sell stuff, but their costs have increased,
and they know that people would squawk if prices increased. It's
capitalism in action.

Cindy Hamilton


Sure, but for 200 years rhey just increased the price. Now they try to
deceive.

On 7/1/17 8:16 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Friday, June 30, 2017 at 9:49:26 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:
On 06/30/2017 11:04 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
Funny, my 5-pound bag of sugar is still 5 pounds (4 pound bags are
also available), and a 1-pound bag of coffee is still 1 pound. I've
seen smaller bags in the grocery store, but I generally go right to the
roaster for coffee.

I don't recall seeing 5 lb bags of sugar where I shop for either the
name brands or the generics; they are all 4 lbs. I buy beans so a pound
of beans is a pound. Some 3 lb cans of ground coffee have 3 lbs. I used
to buy MJB. I have some old cans I use for cereal storage that are
marked 39 ounces. The latest offerings are 33.9. There was one brand
that advertised that although it was only 33 ounces it made as much
coffee as 48 ounces used to. Less is more. Orwell would be pleased.

Perhaps your grocery store feels it isn't worth stocking 5-pound bags
of sugar. Perhaps they discovered the uncritical customers grabbed
the 4-pound bag at a lower price and left the more expensive 5-pound
bag on the shelf.

It's the free market, man.

Cindy Hamilton


Yeah, well the problem is those very same shoppers also vote and serve
on juries...

--
Think of how stupid the average person is; then realize half of them are
stupider than that€¦

On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 15:42:36 -0600, (Neill
Massello) wrote:

Oren wrote:

An OZ of pot costs more than it did in the 60's :-)

Adjusted for inflation? And you know this how?

The Silver Sate, Nevada, turned green today. One of five states with
legal recreational pot -July 1st.. Its been all over current news if
you keep up.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/pot-news/legal-pot-sales-begin-in-nevada/

On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 22:07:03 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 6/30/2017 4:41 PM, Wade Garrett wrote:


It seems you've missed my point which is sellers have reduced
long-standing and familiar standard package sizes in lieu of raising
prices ;-)


It has been rampant the past 10 years or so. A half gallon of ice cream
is 1.5 quarts and a quart of may is 30 ounces. IMO, it is just a slezy
wzy to slip in a price increase

Where can you buy a pound of bacon these days, eh?

On 07/01/2017 06:15 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
Sure, why not? They want to sell stuff, but their costs have increased,
and they know that people would squawk if prices increased. It's
capitalism in action.

And why have their costs increased? Capitalism in action. Like a cancer
without continued growth and inflation capitalism dies. Why does Yellen
get concerned when she can't increase inflation to meet her target?

On 07/01/2017 06:45 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 7/1/2017 8:15 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Friday, June 30, 2017 at 4:42:02 PM UTC-4, Wade Garrett wrote:
On 6/30/17 4:22 PM, Oren wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 11:54:48 -0400, Wade Garrett
wrote:

After recently attending the retirement ceremony for my rusted-out and
falling-apart ancient propane gas barbecue grill, I replaced it
with my
first charcoal grill in 22 years. Getting ready for the Fourth you
know.

But when buying my first bag of charcoal in these same 22 years, I
find
that my former favorite fuel- a 20 pound bag of Kingsford Briquets-
now
weighs only 18.6 pounds.

Guess I shouldn't be too surprised as a five pound bag of sugar now
weighs four pounds, a pound-bag of ground coffee contains but 11.5
ounces and most horridly, a half-gallon bottle of Scotch now is only
1.75 liters.

Milk and gas are next, I guess......

Buy the longer burning charcoal, use less, attain higher heat temps.
It doesn't take much charcoal to cook a steak, ribs, prime rib beef or
a 7 lb. pork butt.

We don't know your grill or how you tuned it for a long - overnight
cooks or if the bag is lump charcoal.

An OZ of pot costs more than it did in the 60's :-)


It seems you've missed my point which is sellers have reduced
long-standing and familiar standard package sizes in lieu of raising
prices ;-)

Sure, why not? They want to sell stuff, but their costs have increased,
and they know that people would squawk if prices increased. It's
capitalism in action.

Cindy Hamilton


Sure, but for 200 years rhey just increased the price. Now they try to
deceive.

Back in my First Communion class, there was a little problem explaining
adultery to eight year olds. The illustrated text took an alternate
path, with a masked man with a bucket of water pouring it into a milk
can to adulterate the milk. Walmart and others still follow this
practice by adding water to meat and calling it a solution to provide
flavor and tenderness. Others just short fill the standard containers
hoping you don't notice or design fancy new wrappers that conceal a
smaller quantity.

There are still some that follow the old ways. Big Pharma just increases
the price for the same dosage hundreds of percent but they have a more
captive audience.

On 07/01/2017 06:16 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Friday, June 30, 2017 at 9:49:26 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:
On 06/30/2017 11:04 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
Funny, my 5-pound bag of sugar is still 5 pounds (4 pound bags are
also available), and a 1-pound bag of coffee is still 1 pound. I've
seen smaller bags in the grocery store, but I generally go right to the
roaster for coffee.

I don't recall seeing 5 lb bags of sugar where I shop for either the
name brands or the generics; they are all 4 lbs. I buy beans so a pound
of beans is a pound. Some 3 lb cans of ground coffee have 3 lbs. I used
to buy MJB. I have some old cans I use for cereal storage that are
marked 39 ounces. The latest offerings are 33.9. There was one brand
that advertised that although it was only 33 ounces it made as much
coffee as 48 ounces used to. Less is more. Orwell would be pleased.

Perhaps your grocery store feels it isn't worth stocking 5-pound bags
of sugar. Perhaps they discovered the uncritical customers grabbed
the 4-pound bag at a lower price and left the more expensive 5-pound
bag on the shelf.

It's the free market, man.

Ain't it great. Free market, free trade, globalism... And the sheep
bleat merrily.

On 07/01/2017 08:49 AM, Oren wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 22:07:03 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 6/30/2017 4:41 PM, Wade Garrett wrote:


It seems you've missed my point which is sellers have reduced
long-standing and familiar standard package sizes in lieu of raising
prices ;-)


It has been rampant the past 10 years or so. A half gallon of ice cream
is 1.5 quarts and a quart of may is 30 ounces. IMO, it is just a slezy
wzy to slip in a price increase

Where can you buy a pound of bacon these days, eh?


Several of the local markets. They throw strips from the meat cooler on
the scale until it says a pound, more or less. Then they ask you if the
weight is good.

Oh, you meant those shrink wrapped 11 oz packages of lard artistically
arranged to display the few streaks of meat.

On 7/1/2017 10:43 AM, Oren wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 15:42:36 -0600, (Neill
Massello) wrote:

Oren wrote:

An OZ of pot costs more than it did in the 60's :-)

Adjusted for inflation? And you know this how?

The Silver Sate, Nevada, turned green today. One of five states with
legal recreational pot -July 1st.. Its been all over current news if
you keep up.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/pot-news/legal-pot-sales-begin-in-nevada/

Few years since I've been there but Vegas was moribund with no
construction going on. This may perk things up. With a country with 2
left coasts and now potheads in the middle, heaven help us

On 7/1/2017 12:55 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
On Sat 01 Jul 2017 05:45:29a, Ed Pawlowski told us...

On 7/1/2017 8:15 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Friday, June 30, 2017 at 4:42:02 PM UTC-4, Wade Garrett wrote:
On 6/30/17 4:22 PM, Oren wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 11:54:48 -0400, Wade Garrett
wrote:

After recently attending the retirement ceremony for my
rusted-out and falling-apart ancient propane gas barbecue
grill, I replaced it with my first charcoal grill in 22 years.
Getting ready for the Fourth you know.

But when buying my first bag of charcoal in these same 22
years, I find that my former favorite fuel- a 20 pound bag of
Kingsford Briquets- now weighs only 18.6 pounds.

Guess I shouldn't be too surprised as a five pound bag of
sugar now weighs four pounds, a pound-bag of ground coffee
contains but 11.5 ounces and most horridly, a half-gallon
bottle of Scotch now is only 1.75 liters.

Milk and gas are next, I guess......

Buy the longer burning charcoal, use less, attain higher heat
temps. It doesn't take much charcoal to cook a steak, ribs,
prime rib beef or a 7 lb. pork butt.

We don't know your grill or how you tuned it for a long -
overnight cooks or if the bag is lump charcoal.

An OZ of pot costs more than it did in the 60's :-)


It seems you've missed my point which is sellers have reduced
long-standing and familiar standard package sizes in lieu of
raising prices ;-)

Sure, why not? They want to sell stuff, but their costs have
increased, and they know that people would squawk if prices
increased. It's capitalism in action.

Cindy Hamilton


Sure, but for 200 years rhey just increased the price. Now they
try to deceive.


There's no deception. Read the label. The weight or volume of the
contents is always displayed.

Based on your current observation of diminishing sizes, apparently
you haven't been aware of much of anything in the past 22 years.

There is a certain amount of deception as I pointed out when they put 4
gallons of propane in a 5 gallon tank and tell you the tank contains 16
lbs. Not too many people know the weight of a gallon of propane.

Its somewhat deceptive too with other products like coffee in the same
size can but ground to take more space. If you don't read labels and
are familiar with weights and measures you probably miss what they are
doing.

I'm all in favor of free market capitalism but bothered that people are
ignorant of such things. Competition is better and prices go down with
an informed consumer.

On 6/30/2017 10:15 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 11:54:48 -0400, Wade Garrett
wrote:

After recently attending the retirement ceremony for my rusted-out and
falling-apart ancient propane gas barbecue grill, I replaced it with my
first charcoal grill in 22 years. Getting ready for the Fourth you know.
But when buying my first bag of charcoal in these same 22 years, I find
that my former favorite fuel- a 20 pound bag of Kingsford Briquets- now
weighs only 18.6 pounds.
Guess I shouldn't be too surprised as a five pound bag of sugar now
weighs four pounds, a pound-bag of ground coffee contains but 11.5
ounces and most horridly, a half-gallon bottle of Scotch now is only
1.75 liters.
Milk and gas are next, I guess......


I went to buy some 2 x 4 's today and they didn't
measure up at all ! I'm calling my lawyer !
John T.

Looking for a new deck this fall I've found that new code requires ten
inch wide steps. Steps on the old deck were built with 2X10's. Guy
measured steps and found them to be only nine inches. He said stairs
cannot be positioned in the same place because new ten inch steps will
shorten the landing which ends at a block wall to below code. Code was
probably designed by a lawyer.

In article ,
says...

If you don't read the labels, then you are the fool.

As to propane, I know what my empty tank weights. Besides that,
where I have my tanks filled they do not charge a set price for a
tank full. My empty tank is placed on the scale and stays there
until it has been filled. They charge by the weight shown of their
scale. I do geet what I pay for. If your tank isn't being filled
properly then maybe you should buy it elsewhere.

There's nothing decepetive about it. The only problem arises with
higher prices, and I suspect that will always be true and on the
increase.

That is the way I have had my tank filled. Pay by weight of the
propane.

I bet those Blue Rino tanks that you trade in your empty for the full
ones are by some other method. YOu think you get a full tank, but they
only fill it part of the way even counting on that required 'gas space'.
I bet many think the tank is totally full of the propane, or should be.

In article t,
says...

In article ,
says...

If you don't read the labels, then you are the fool.

As to propane, I know what my empty tank weights. Besides that,
where I have my tanks filled they do not charge a set price for a
tank full. My empty tank is placed on the scale and stays there
until it has been filled. They charge by the weight shown of their
scale. I do geet what I pay for. If your tank isn't being filled
properly then maybe you should buy it elsewhere.

There's nothing decepetive about it. The only problem arises with
higher prices, and I suspect that will always be true and on the
increase.

That is the way I have had my tank filled. Pay by weight of the
propane.

I bet those Blue Rino tanks that you trade in your empty for the full
ones are by some other method. YOu think you get a full tank, but they
only fill it part of the way even counting on that required 'gas space'.
I bet many think the tank is totally full of the propane, or should be.

I have my tanks filled at Ace Hardware for a flat $14.99. They put it on
a scale that tells them when the weight is right, but there is also a
gauge that you can watch to see exactly how many gallons they put in. I
suppose if you took in a partly filled tank you'd end up on the losing
side, but I only fill completely empty tanks, and they put the full 5
gallons in.

--
RonNNN

On Saturday, July 1, 2017 at 10:50:10 AM UTC-4, Oren wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 22:07:03 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 6/30/2017 4:41 PM, Wade Garrett wrote:


It seems you've missed my point which is sellers have reduced
long-standing and familiar standard package sizes in lieu of raising
prices ;-)


It has been rampant the past 10 years or so. A half gallon of ice cream
is 1.5 quarts and a quart of may is 30 ounces. IMO, it is just a slezy
wzy to slip in a price increase

Where can you buy a pound of bacon these days, eh?

At the grocery store. My preferred brand (Nueske's) comes in either
12-ounce or 16-ounce packages, depending where I shop. I don't much
care which I buy, since I don't eat a pound all at once.

Or you can buy it at the service meat counter, or at a butcher shop.


Cindy Hamilton

On Saturday, July 1, 2017 at 12:36:22 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:
On 07/01/2017 06:16 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Friday, June 30, 2017 at 9:49:26 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:
On 06/30/2017 11:04 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
Funny, my 5-pound bag of sugar is still 5 pounds (4 pound bags are
also available), and a 1-pound bag of coffee is still 1 pound. I've
seen smaller bags in the grocery store, but I generally go right to the
roaster for coffee.

I don't recall seeing 5 lb bags of sugar where I shop for either the
name brands or the generics; they are all 4 lbs. I buy beans so a pound
of beans is a pound. Some 3 lb cans of ground coffee have 3 lbs. I used
to buy MJB. I have some old cans I use for cereal storage that are
marked 39 ounces. The latest offerings are 33.9. There was one brand
that advertised that although it was only 33 ounces it made as much
coffee as 48 ounces used to. Less is more. Orwell would be pleased.

Perhaps your grocery store feels it isn't worth stocking 5-pound bags
of sugar. Perhaps they discovered the uncritical customers grabbed
the 4-pound bag at a lower price and left the more expensive 5-pound
bag on the shelf.

It's the free market, man.

Ain't it great. Free market, free trade, globalism... And the sheep
bleat merrily.

I don't bleat merrily. I pay attention when I'm shopping. If I see
the size has decreased I say, "Either they had to increase prices or
decrease quantity. It's the same result in the end."

Cindy Hamilton

On Saturday, July 1, 2017 at 1:50:09 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 7/1/2017 12:55 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
On Sat 01 Jul 2017 05:45:29a, Ed Pawlowski told us...

On 7/1/2017 8:15 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Friday, June 30, 2017 at 4:42:02 PM UTC-4, Wade Garrett wrote:
On 6/30/17 4:22 PM, Oren wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 11:54:48 -0400, Wade Garrett
wrote:

After recently attending the retirement ceremony for my
rusted-out and falling-apart ancient propane gas barbecue
grill, I replaced it with my first charcoal grill in 22 years.
Getting ready for the Fourth you know.

But when buying my first bag of charcoal in these same 22
years, I find that my former favorite fuel- a 20 pound bag of
Kingsford Briquets- now weighs only 18.6 pounds.

Guess I shouldn't be too surprised as a five pound bag of
sugar now weighs four pounds, a pound-bag of ground coffee
contains but 11.5 ounces and most horridly, a half-gallon
bottle of Scotch now is only 1.75 liters.

Milk and gas are next, I guess......

Buy the longer burning charcoal, use less, attain higher heat
temps. It doesn't take much charcoal to cook a steak, ribs,
prime rib beef or a 7 lb. pork butt.

We don't know your grill or how you tuned it for a long -
overnight cooks or if the bag is lump charcoal.

An OZ of pot costs more than it did in the 60's :-)


It seems you've missed my point which is sellers have reduced
long-standing and familiar standard package sizes in lieu of
raising prices ;-)

Sure, why not? They want to sell stuff, but their costs have
increased, and they know that people would squawk if prices
increased. It's capitalism in action.

Cindy Hamilton


Sure, but for 200 years rhey just increased the price. Now they
try to deceive.


There's no deception. Read the label. The weight or volume of the
contents is always displayed.

Based on your current observation of diminishing sizes, apparently
you haven't been aware of much of anything in the past 22 years.

There is a certain amount of deception as I pointed out when they put 4
gallons of propane in a 5 gallon tank and tell you the tank contains 16
lbs. Not too many people know the weight of a gallon of propane.

Its somewhat deceptive too with other products like coffee in the same
size can but ground to take more space. If you don't read labels and
are familiar with weights and measures you probably miss what they are
doing.

I'm all in favor of free market capitalism but bothered that people are
ignorant of such things. Competition is better and prices go down with
an informed consumer.

The consumer should inform himself, rather than just unthinkingly tossing
the product into his shopping cart.

Cindy Hamilton