On Fri, 9 Jun 2017 13:20:38 -0700 (PDT), ItsJoanNotJoann
wrote:

On Friday, June 9, 2017 at 1:07:48 PM UTC-5, BurfordTJustice wrote:

So what?

any brand will do the job.

I was replying to your response that any brand will do.
I responded by saying the Home Depot brand will do just
as well as the national brand of Roundup.

What is so hard to understand about that?


We buy generic glyphosphate concentrate, "Drexel Imitator", from
Rural King farm supply. It is a 41% solution, which is the same as
standard Roundup concentrate. I pay $31.99 + shipping, for a 2.5
gallon container. I usually buy two jugs at a time, once per year. We
have a fair amount of acreage here and I have a 30 gal towable,
electric pump sprayer and I mix 2 oz. per gallon.

Monsanto, the manufacturer of Roundup and generic glyphosphate
indicates the product has a shelf life of 8 years when it is not
diluted.

Here is a link to the product at Rural King:

https://www.ruralking.com/drexel-imi...urfactant.html

On Friday, June 9, 2017 at 3:44:35 PM UTC-5, Don Wiss wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jun 2017 15:24:48 -0700, mike wrote:

I'm not just spraying 'em, I'm pouring the concentrated
stuff down the crack.

That could be a problem. You are supposed to spray the foliage. Not pour on
the roots.


Pouring a diluted solution works as well as spraying. See my
post about sidewalk cracks.

On Fri, 9 Jun 2017 18:24:25 -0700 (PDT), ItsJoanNotJoann
wrote:

On Friday, June 9, 2017 at 3:44:35 PM UTC-5, Don Wiss wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jun 2017 15:24:48 -0700, mike wrote:

I'm not just spraying 'em, I'm pouring the concentrated
stuff down the crack.

That could be a problem. You are supposed to spray the foliage. Not pour on
the roots.


Pouring a diluted solution works as well as spraying. See my
post about sidewalk cracks.
cutting the weeds first defeats Glsysophate herbicides like roundup.
They need to be absorbed through the leaves. If your method works, it
is getting on enough leaves to do the job.

On Fri, 09 Jun 2017 22:24:10 -0400, wrote in


On Fri, 9 Jun 2017 18:24:25 -0700 (PDT), ItsJoanNotJoann
wrote:

On Friday, June 9, 2017 at 3:44:35 PM UTC-5, Don Wiss wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jun 2017 15:24:48 -0700, mike wrote:

I'm not just spraying 'em, I'm pouring the concentrated
stuff down the crack.

That could be a problem. You are supposed to spray the foliage. Not pour on
the roots.


Pouring a diluted solution works as well as spraying. See my
post about sidewalk cracks.

cutting the weeds first defeats Glsysophate herbicides like roundup.
They need to be absorbed through the leaves. If your method works, it
is getting on enough leaves to do the job.

+1
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On 6/8/2017 3:24 PM, mike wrote:
The sidewalk in front of my house butts up against..........

{Message content SMACKDOWN due to poor grammar}



The word yer lookin' fer is "abuts," idiot child.

On Thursday, June 8, 2017 at 6:26:31 PM UTC-4, mike wrote:
The sidewalk in front of my house butts up against
the cement curb. There's a long crack between the two.
Weeds grow out of it.
I've tried weed killer.
I've tried the ground clear stuff that is supposed to kill
everything and prevent regrowth.
I'm not just spraying 'em, I'm pouring the concentrated
stuff down the crack.
But still the weeds keep coming.
How do I make it stop?

gasoline kills vegatation fast

On Friday, June 9, 2017 at 10:24:09 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 9 Jun 2017 18:24:25 -0700 (PDT), ItsJoanNotJoann
wrote:

On Friday, June 9, 2017 at 3:44:35 PM UTC-5, Don Wiss wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jun 2017 15:24:48 -0700, mike wrote:

I'm not just spraying 'em, I'm pouring the concentrated
stuff down the crack.

That could be a problem. You are supposed to spray the foliage. Not pour on
the roots.


Pouring a diluted solution works as well as spraying. See my
post about sidewalk cracks.
cutting the weeds first defeats Glsysophate herbicides like roundup.
They need to be absorbed through the leaves. If your method works, it
is getting on enough leaves to do the job.

+1

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 8:26:13 AM UTC-5, bob haller wrote:
On Thursday, June 8, 2017 at 6:26:31 PM UTC-4, mike wrote:
The sidewalk in front of my house butts up against
the cement curb. There's a long crack between the two.
Weeds grow out of it.
I've tried weed killer.
I've tried the ground clear stuff that is supposed to kill
everything and prevent regrowth.
I'm not just spraying 'em, I'm pouring the concentrated
stuff down the crack.
But still the weeds keep coming.
How do I make it stop?

gasoline kills vegatation fast
^^^^^^^^^^

When I was a kid, I remember the railroad crews spraying the track right of way with diesel fuel to kill vegetation. Diesel fuel was quite inexpensive when I was a youngster. I wonder what the equivalent price per gallon would be now? I paid 22 cents a gallon for regular gasoline back when I was in college and I remember diesel fuel was cheaper. ヽ(ヅ)ノ

[8~{} Uncle Weed Monster

gasoline kills vegatation fast
^^^^^^^^^^

When I was a kid, I remember the railroad crews spraying the track
right of way with diesel fuel to kill vegetation. Diesel fuel was quite
inexpensive when I was a youngster. I wonder what the equivalent
price per gallon would be now? I paid 22 cents a gallon for regular
gasoline back when I was in college and I remember diesel fuel
was cheaper. ?(?)?
Uncle Weed Monster


Here's a web site reference - biut it only goes back to 1931 -
- so it might not apply to your childhood ... :-)

https://inflationdata.com/articles/i...soline-prices/

John T.

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 8:26:13 AM UTC-5, bob haller wrote:

gasoline kills vegatation fast


But the effects do not last as long as a weed killer such as
Roundup. For years I used gasoline for those cracks in my
sidewalk with the weeds reappearing in about 4 months. One
treatment with a weed killer last until the next year.

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 4:59:51 PM UTC-4, ItsJoanNotJoann wrote:
On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 8:26:13 AM UTC-5, bob haller wrote:

gasoline kills vegatation fast


But the effects do not last as long as a weed killer such as
Roundup.

Actually one of the advantages of Roundup is that it has no persistence. You can spray it on an area to kill everything and plant seeds immediately. Usually the limiting factor is that you want to wait a week for the stuff to die before re-seeding. If you want to keep new plants from growing too, there are other products, eg ground clear.


For years I used gasoline for those cracks in my
sidewalk with the weeds reappearing in about 4 months. One
treatment with a weed killer last until the next year.

R

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 3:07:46 PM UTC-5, wrote:

gasoline kills vegatation fast
^^^^^^^^^^

When I was a kid, I remember the railroad crews spraying the track
right of way with diesel fuel to kill vegetation. Diesel fuel was quite
inexpensive when I was a youngster. I wonder what the equivalent
price per gallon would be now? I paid 22 cents a gallon for regular
gasoline back when I was in college and I remember diesel fuel
was cheaper. ?(?)?
Uncle Weed Monster


Here's a web site reference - biut it only goes back to 1931 -
- so it might not apply to your childhood ... :-)

https://inflationdata.com/articles/i...soline-prices/

John T.

I was born in the middle of the last century when cars were big and heavy hunks of iron and steel and gasoline was cheap. When I hung out with my friends at Burger King during my college days, a Wopper, fry and a Coke was $1.00. I was working in a factory for minimum wage which was $1.65 per hour but I worked 3rd shift so I got an extra 3 cents per hour. I paid my own college tuition with the money I made. Funny how the dollar is worth so little now. ヽ(ヅ)ノ

[8~{} Uncle Worthless Monster

On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 13:59:48 -0700 (PDT), ItsJoanNotJoann
wrote:

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 8:26:13 AM UTC-5, bob haller wrote:

gasoline kills vegatation fast


But the effects do not last as long as a weed killer such as
Roundup. For years I used gasoline for those cracks in my
sidewalk with the weeds reappearing in about 4 months. One
treatment with a weed killer last until the next year.
Roundup only kills what is growing at the time. Within about 2 weeks
it has deteriorated to 50% , and there is virtually no carryover after
2 months. With regular roundup you can reseed gras within 10 days.

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 10:00:23 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 13:59:48 -0700 (PDT), ItsJoanNotJoann
wrote:

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 8:26:13 AM UTC-5, bob haller wrote:

gasoline kills vegatation fast


But the effects do not last as long as a weed killer such as
Roundup. For years I used gasoline for those cracks in my
sidewalk with the weeds reappearing in about 4 months. One
treatment with a weed killer last until the next year.
Roundup only kills what is growing at the time. Within about 2 weeks
it has deteriorated to 50% , and there is virtually no carryover after
2 months. With regular roundup you can reseed gras within 10 days.

More confusion. With regular roundup, ie glyphosate, you can re-seed in just 3 days. And if you're using one of the long term roundup products, then it's blocking effect lasts many months.

On 06/11/2017 02:01 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 10:00:23 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 13:59:48 -0700 (PDT), ItsJoanNotJoann
wrote:

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 8:26:13 AM UTC-5, bob haller wrote:
gasoline kills vegatation fast


But the effects do not last as long as a weed killer such as
Roundup. For years I used gasoline for those cracks in my
sidewalk with the weeds reappearing in about 4 months. One
treatment with a weed killer last until the next year.
Roundup only kills what is growing at the time. Within about 2 weeks
it has deteriorated to 50% , and there is virtually no carryover after
2 months. With regular roundup you can reseed gras within 10 days.
More confusion. With regular roundup, ie glyphosate, you can re-seed in just 3 days. And if you're using one of the long term roundup products, then it's blocking effect lasts many months.

https://www.ecowatch.com/15-health-p...882002128.html

On Sunday, June 11, 2017 at 8:22:58 AM UTC-4, ralph wrote:
On 06/11/2017 02:01 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 10:00:23 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 13:59:48 -0700 (PDT), ItsJoanNotJoann
wrote:

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 8:26:13 AM UTC-5, bob haller wrote:
gasoline kills vegatation fast


But the effects do not last as long as a weed killer such as
Roundup. For years I used gasoline for those cracks in my
sidewalk with the weeds reappearing in about 4 months. One
treatment with a weed killer last until the next year.
Roundup only kills what is growing at the time. Within about 2 weeks
it has deteriorated to 50% , and there is virtually no carryover after
2 months. With regular roundup you can reseed gras within 10 days.
More confusion. With regular roundup, ie glyphosate, you can re-seed in just 3 days. And if you're using one of the long term roundup products, then it's blocking effect lasts many months.

https://www.ecowatch.com/15-health-p...882002128.html


Lack of any cites to any actual studies so that the science can be traced and evaluated noted. I could do the same thing with almost any chemical, food additive, etc that's in widespread use.

On Sunday, June 11, 2017 at 1:02:01 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 10:00:23 PM UTC-4, wrote:

On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 13:59:48 -0700 (PDT), ItsJoanNotJoann
wrote:

One treatment with a weed killer last until the next year.

Roundup only kills what is growing at the time. Within about 2 weeks
it has deteriorated to 50% , and there is virtually no carryover after
2 months. With regular roundup you can reseed gras within 10 days.

If you're using one of the long term roundup products, then it's blocking effect lasts many months.


Yep, as I stated, when I use Roundup (long term product) I have no
weeds until the next year. My fault for not being clear.

On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 08:22:51 -0400, ralph
wrote:

On 06/11/2017 02:01 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 10:00:23 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 13:59:48 -0700 (PDT), ItsJoanNotJoann
wrote:

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 8:26:13 AM UTC-5, bob haller wrote:
gasoline kills vegatation fast


But the effects do not last as long as a weed killer such as
Roundup. For years I used gasoline for those cracks in my
sidewalk with the weeds reappearing in about 4 months. One
treatment with a weed killer last until the next year.
Roundup only kills what is growing at the time. Within about 2 weeks
it has deteriorated to 50% , and there is virtually no carryover after
2 months. With regular roundup you can reseed gras within 10 days.
More confusion. With regular roundup, ie glyphosate, you can re-seed in just 3 days. And if you're using one of the long term roundup products, then it's blocking effect lasts many months.

https://www.ecowatch.com/15-health-p...882002128.html
Well, 3 days is WELL within 10 ---
When a brand name for a product gets extended to other products for
marketting purposes, things get screwed up. Think "wd 40" and "wd 40
professional" or "wd40 Specialist" products.

Same thing with "roundup" Roundup is almost a generic term for
glysophate weed killer - then they put the "roundup" name on half a
dozen other weed control products - some of which may contain no
glysophate at all. (generally not "weed killer" products, but "weed
control" products. We need to specify exactly what we are talking
about when using "Brand names".

Glysophate based weed killers have a short half life and minimal
carryover. They work by leaf absorption - not root contact - and they
do not prevent seasonal regrowth. Their "burnoff" only kills actively
growing vegetation and has little or no effect on seeds.

On Sunday, June 11, 2017 at 3:09:09 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 08:22:51 -0400, ralph
wrote:

On 06/11/2017 02:01 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 10:00:23 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 13:59:48 -0700 (PDT), ItsJoanNotJoann
wrote:

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 8:26:13 AM UTC-5, bob haller wrote:
gasoline kills vegatation fast


But the effects do not last as long as a weed killer such as
Roundup. For years I used gasoline for those cracks in my
sidewalk with the weeds reappearing in about 4 months. One
treatment with a weed killer last until the next year.
Roundup only kills what is growing at the time. Within about 2 weeks
it has deteriorated to 50% , and there is virtually no carryover after
2 months. With regular roundup you can reseed gras within 10 days.
More confusion. With regular roundup, ie glyphosate, you can re-seed in just 3 days. And if you're using one of the long term roundup products, then it's blocking effect lasts many months.

https://www.ecowatch.com/15-health-p...882002128.html
Well, 3 days is WELL within 10 ---
When a brand name for a product gets extended to other products for
marketting purposes, things get screwed up. Think "wd 40" and "wd 40
professional" or "wd40 Specialist" products.

Same thing with "roundup" Roundup is almost a generic term for
glysophate weed killer - then they put the "roundup" name on half a
dozen other weed control products - some of which may contain no
glysophate at all. (generally not "weed killer" products, but "weed
control" products. We need to specify exactly what we are talking
about when using "Brand names".

Glysophate based weed killers have a short half life and minimal
carryover. They work by leaf absorption - not root contact - and they
do not prevent seasonal regrowth. Their "burnoff" only kills actively
growing vegetation and has little or no effect on seeds.

Agree, when you just say roundup, it's implied that it's the glyphosate product or one of the generics.

******** first class!


"trader_4" wrote in message
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, it's implied that it's the glyphosate product or one of the generics.