On 07/24/2016 09:09 PM, Henry Jones wrote:
4. Put*one* mailbox outside the gate and have it open whenever*that*
mailbox is opened (and stay open for, say, 1/2 hour to allow egress)

Can you say 'cluster box'?

https://about.usps.com/publications/...ub265a_006.htm

It's what people who really live on private roads around here use. Large
parcels are left in bigger lockers and the key is left in your mailbox.

On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 14:35:29 -0000 (UTC), Henry Jones wrote:

I'm thinking of putting down a big "stencil" on the road of something like:
"PRIVATE DRIVE | NO PULIC ACCESS"

According to this document:
http://www.indiopd.org/pdf/Trespassing_Requirements.pdf

Legally, apparently, California no-trespassing signs must say the explicit
words "Trespassing/Loitering Forbidden by Law", and the letters must be at
least 2 inches in height, and the sign must be at least 1-foot square
posted at no less frequency than 3 per mile and at the entrance and exit to
all entrances to any property that wants to enforce the no-trespassing
rule.

A suggested legally accepted text is:
PRIVATE PROPERTY
TRESPASSING/LOITERING FORBIDDEN BY LAW
VIOLATORS WILL BE PROSECUTED
CALIFORNIA PENAL CODE 602

In addition, and only after adding the legally required signage, homeowners
"could" send an official form every six months to the police who can
enforce the rules in their absence (but they will only do so if the
appropriate signage is already in place).

On 07/25/2016 12:06 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 07/24/2016 09:08 PM, Henry Jones wrote:
I don't know*how* they determine such things, but, the cops did drive down
the whole road, and they kind of said that we should put up signs just so
that we don't get sued by people using it and getting hurt.

If you don't know *how* they determine such things, you'd better find out post haste.

https://www.hcn.org/articles/note-to...ess-in-montana

One of our current gubernatorial candidates ****ed with something he didn't understand and got burnt.



Quoted from hcn.org:
"When his opponents learned that the Bozeman Republican had earlier
filed a lawsuit to shut down a public fishing-access site..."

Just another Republi**** trying to make more laws to **** the average taxpayer and protect
their wealthy cronies but I wouldn't expect anything less from a right-winger-dinger.

On Sunday, July 24, 2016 at 11:08:55 PM UTC-4, Henry Jones wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 18:18:54 -0700, Taxed and Spent wrote:

Amazon doesn't deliver. FedEx and UPS do. And they are happy to take
gate codes.

Everyone but the post office will take gate codes.
All the utilities will also (e.g., propane is what we all use).

The whole gate problem hinges on the post office.

Well, one could say that the whole gate problem hinges on those who refuse to
move their mail boxes.

On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 1:02:22 AM UTC-4, Henry Jones wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 14:35:29 -0000 (UTC), Henry Jones wrote:

I'm thinking of putting down a big "stencil" on the road of something like:
"PRIVATE DRIVE | NO PULIC ACCESS"

According to this document:
http://www.indiopd.org/pdf/Trespassing_Requirements.pdf

Legally, apparently, California no-trespassing signs must say the explicit
words "Trespassing/Loitering Forbidden by Law", and the letters must be at
least 2 inches in height, and the sign must be at least 1-foot square
posted at no less frequency than 3 per mile and at the entrance and exit to
all entrances to any property that wants to enforce the no-trespassing
rule.

A suggested legally accepted text is:
PRIVATE PROPERTY
TRESPASSING/LOITERING FORBIDDEN BY LAW
VIOLATORS WILL BE PROSECUTED
CALIFORNIA PENAL CODE 602

In addition, and only after adding the legally required signage, homeowners
"could" send an official form every six months to the police who can
enforce the rules in their absence (but they will only do so if the
appropriate signage is already in place).

That seems to imply that they don't enforce the rules when you are *not* absent.

If that's the case, who does? If it's the landowners, please define "enforce" in
this situation.

Besides, even with all the signage, what do you expect to happen when the bikers
ignore them and use the road again? The police won't be there 24-7 and I doubt
that they will expend a lot of resources chasing down the culprits.

One last question, and please don't take this the wrong way, I'm really curious.

What is the actual problem with people using this connection between the trails and the
park? Is it just a "this is my road" issue or are you concerned with liabity or are users an
actual nuisance, etc.? Why is this such a big deal?

On 07/24/2016 11:09 PM, Henry Jones wrote:


1. Put up a gate, with good signs, but leave it open.
2. Same as above, but make it a proximity open.
3. Make it open at the time the post office arrives.
4. Put *one* mailbox outside the gate and have it open whenever *that*
mailbox is opened (and stay open for, say, 1/2 hour to allow egress)
5. Close the gate only on Sundays
etc.

Everything really hinges on the post office who won't do gate codes.


Maybe use an audio signature where any motor noise and the gate automatically opens.

However, that obnoxiously loud potato-potato-potato noise,
unique to a douche bag on a Harley, would keep the gate locked.

On 07/24/2016 09:08 PM, anonymous wrote:
On 7/24/2016 9:03 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
The post office does not deliver mail on Sundays, so no problem with a gate on Sundays.

One word: Amazon

Yah, Team Bezos has a lot of amazing accomplishments but to get the USPS to deliver on Sunday is incredible.

On 7/25/2016 1:32 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Sunday, July 24, 2016 at 11:08:55 PM UTC-4, Henry Jones wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 18:18:54 -0700, Taxed and Spent wrote:

Amazon doesn't deliver. FedEx and UPS do. And they are happy to take
gate codes.

Everyone but the post office will take gate codes.
All the utilities will also (e.g., propane is what we all use).

The whole gate problem hinges on the post office.

Well, one could say that the whole gate problem hinges on those who refuse to
move their mail boxes.


Well, one could say that the whole gate problem hinges on those
biker/hiker assholes who do not respect private property and think that
they are somehow better than everyone else because their chosen activity
is righteous.

On 7/25/16 3:58 AM, Ted wrote:
On 07/24/2016 11:09 PM, Henry Jones wrote:


1. Put up a gate, with good signs, but leave it open.
2. Same as above, but make it a proximity open.
3. Make it open at the time the post office arrives.
4. Put *one* mailbox outside the gate and have it open whenever *that*
mailbox is opened (and stay open for, say, 1/2 hour to allow egress)
5. Close the gate only on Sundays
etc.

Everything really hinges on the post office who won't do gate codes.


Maybe use an audio signature where any motor noise and the gate
automatically opens.

However, that obnoxiously loud potato-potato-potato noise,
unique to a douche bag on a Harley, would keep the gate locked.

You might be surprised at the folks who ride Harleys. Farmers,
lawyers, and people that belong to groups like Bikers for Christ.
Some are baby boomers that missed out on riding when they were
younger. Better the Harley sound than the rice rockets that sound
like they're turbine powered.
You probably won't see "kids" riding a Gold Wing or HD trike.
New ones can run in excess of $35,000.

On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 14:35:29 -0000 (UTC), Henry Jones
wrote:

I blocked the road with cones and turned back all members of the public
yesterday, but it was extremely boring, so I can't wait for the signs to
come in. That's for the advice.

Most people said they didn't know it was a private drive, even though there
was one sign saying so at the entrance.

At least some of them were lying. Private drives sound like
interesting places to look. How many homes are on this one?

Just you? How long is it? Can they see your house from the
road? From the start of the drive? Do you have a lot of trees?
Hills?

The drive is 18 feet wide so I can make large letters.

I'm thinking of putting down a big "stencil" on the road of something like:
"PRIVATE DRIVE | NO PULIC ACCESS"

And why do you think that will help? And people will drive on it and
rub it off eventually.

Where do you think those stencils would be found?

Dunno,

I think you'd be better off getting an additional sign, in the same
style as the first one if you care about that part of esthetics, that
would say something like, "Private property. Nothing worth seeing.
Please respect our privacy" That's what would have an effect on me.

I drive up private drives, especially if they go to more than one
house and no one will know for sure if I'm invited or not. If it's
only one house, I usually stop before they can see me. The last time
it was not marked as private and it was a whole n'hood of 20 houses,
but all the roads were dead ends, one route in and the same route out.
My goal is to drive down every street in the world. This road was
nowhere near 18 feet wide. It was too narrow to turn around without
driving on the grass, so I went to the end and up a driveway where
there was a lot of space in front of the garage. His house was farther
back than the neighbors so I could see their back yard. The woman
waved at me. I waved back.

But I didn't go over to talk to them. I drive a nice white
convertible and the top is usually down when I do this; I don't look
threatening, I look like a friend of one of their neighbor,s and
indeed, I don't do any damage.

A lot of the time if I see it's a one family drive, I turn around
before I'm visible from the house.

Another time there was a state rep who was in the paper for not living
in his district like the law requires. He claimed he was living
over a commercial building within the district, on a very busy
street. I didn't believe it, but later he had a fight with his wife
and daughter and appears to have r eally moved out of the house. I
didn't get that close to his original house, but it was a very
charming road, part of it 100 years old and part of it new. Not
private and not marked as private. I didn't go up his driveway.

I doubt if anyone has ever noticed me any time I did this.

On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 17:18:34 +0000 (UTC), Henry Jones
wrote:



I don't understand your question about having an "address sign" for the
place. The drive serves a handful of homes only but there are trails at the
end that a lot of bikers and hikers use that skirt out back behind people's
property (all in private land). Eventually it connects to a public park, so

You knew all this stuff existed when you bought *your* house, right?
Is it right to interfere with them now, when they've been using this
for such a harmless purpose?

most of the traffic is people coming from the public park in the opposite
direction of cars which would be going down the road just to 'explore' it
(since it's a dead end of only about 1/2 mile long).

There "is" a standard-looking street sign, put up by the county, at the
junction with the public road and a 30x30 amber rectangle (mounted with the
points up and down and to the side) saying "No Through Traffic".

I was thinking of replacing the No Through Traffic sign with a "No Public
Access" sign, but the back of the sign has a sticker saying it's a county
sign and that it's a criminal offense to remove the sign.

Even if it didnt' have that sticker, you knew it wasn't YOUR sign, and
yet you were thinking of removing it to put in your own. Are you so
different from those who drive down your road when they shouldn't?

On 7/25/2016 3:47 AM, Micky wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 17:18:34 +0000 (UTC), Henry Jones
wrote:



I don't understand your question about having an "address sign" for the
place. The drive serves a handful of homes only but there are trails at the
end that a lot of bikers and hikers use that skirt out back behind people's
property (all in private land). Eventually it connects to a public park, so

You knew all this stuff existed when you bought *your* house, right?
Is it right to interfere with them now, when they've been using this
for such a harmless purpose?

I don't view trespassing as harmless.

Are you saying that once an unlawful activity starts, it should never end?

On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 13:03:58 -0500, Henry Jones
wrote:

The drive serves a handful of homes only but there are trails at the
end that a lot of bikers and hikers use that skirt out back behind people's
property (all in private land).

Are the bikers on motorbikes or bicycles?

On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 21:08:34 -0400, anonymous
wrote:

On 7/24/2016 9:03 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
The post office does not deliver mail on Sundays, so no problem with a gate on Sundays.

One word: Amazon

Amazon? To get a woman warrior to stand there all day would probably
be expensive.

On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 22:31:05 -0500, Unquestionably Confused
wrote:

On 7/24/2016 8:18 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
On 7/24/2016 6:08 PM, anonymous wrote:
On 7/24/2016 9:03 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
The post office does not deliver mail on Sundays, so no problem with a
gate on Sundays.

One word: Amazon

Amazon doesn't deliver. FedEx and UPS do. And they are happy to take
gate codes.


And Sunday deliveries are handled by USPS under contract.

And Amazon does deliver now. They delivered something to me on a
Sunday when I wasn't in a hurry, didn't ask for it, and would have
been happy with Monday or Wednesday.

On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 05:04:56 -0400, Ollie wrote:

On 07/24/2016 09:08 PM, anonymous wrote:
On 7/24/2016 9:03 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
The post office does not deliver mail on Sundays, so no problem with a gate on Sundays.

One word: Amazon

Yah, Team Bezos has a lot of amazing accomplishments but to get the USPS to deliver on Sunday is incredible.

I think it was my mailman who told me the Sunday drivers use their own
car, wear no uniform, and are part-timers, just hired for this.

On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 03:08:39 +0000 (UTC), Henry Jones
wrote:

On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 18:34:11 -0700 (PDT), Pavel314 wrote:

I saw a good sign at a gun show a while back:

NO TRESPASSING
I HAVE A GUN AND A BACKHOE

These signs are all funny, and I appreciate the humor, but my question
would be whether people would take them seriously.

We want them to take the California Penal Code 602L and N seriously.

So, we'll go with the standard signs.
I noticed there are even "California" no-trespassing signs we can buy:

http://www.mysecuritysign.com/No-Tre...KU-S-7291.aspx

At $100 bucks a pop, these are a bit expensive though:
https://www.chairish.com/product/163...sspassing-sign

The most expensive one I see there is $46.

BTW, it's interesting that, in California, trespassing can be a felony!
http://www.shouselaw.com/trespass.html

On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 05:28:31 -0500, Dean Hoffman
wrote:

On 7/25/16 3:58 AM, Ted wrote:
On 07/24/2016 11:09 PM, Henry Jones wrote:


1. Put up a gate, with good signs, but leave it open.
2. Same as above, but make it a proximity open.
3. Make it open at the time the post office arrives.
4. Put *one* mailbox outside the gate and have it open whenever *that*
mailbox is opened (and stay open for, say, 1/2 hour to allow egress)
5. Close the gate only on Sundays
etc.

Everything really hinges on the post office who won't do gate codes.


Maybe use an audio signature where any motor noise and the gate
automatically opens.

However, that obnoxiously loud potato-potato-potato noise,
unique to a douche bag on a Harley, would keep the gate locked.

You might be surprised at the folks who ride Harleys. Farmers,
lawyers, and people that belong to groups like Bikers for Christ.
Some are baby boomers that missed out on riding when they were
younger. Better the Harley sound than the rice rockets that sound
like they're turbine powered.
You probably won't see "kids" riding a Gold Wing or HD trike.
New ones can run in excess of $35,000.

Harleys are made in York, Pa., not far from here, and they give tours.
Though not on the weekend which is when I'm usually in or near York.

I think the tours are 20 or 30 dollars!!

On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 03:51:48 -0700, Taxed and Spent
wrote:

On 7/25/2016 3:47 AM, Micky wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 17:18:34 +0000 (UTC), Henry Jones
wrote:



I don't understand your question about having an "address sign" for the
place. The drive serves a handful of homes only but there are trails at the
end that a lot of bikers and hikers use that skirt out back behind people's
property (all in private land). Eventually it connects to a public park, so

You knew all this stuff existed when you bought *your* house, right?
Is it right to interfere with them now, when they've been using this
for such a harmless purpose?

I don't view trespassing as harmless.

What is the harm here?

Are you saying that once an unlawful activity starts, it should never end?

Where would you get that idea? I only referred to harmless
activities.

On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 07:33:54 -0400
Micky wrote:

I don't view trespassing as harmless.

What is the harm here?


http://imgur.com/a/hVhUJ

put up a guard shack and a gate..... with lots of sinage

this reminded me of asimiliar situation when i was a kid, 60 years ago..

a close by neighbor owned a prcel of land that had a road on either side.

fellow got mad when people turned his land into a shortcut........

and blocked the new road

ended up in court, till more than one person set fire to his home. just small fires.......

he got so mad he sold his home and moved.

not long ago i was in my old neighborhood and used that shortcut....

OP needs to realize the risks, in todays day and age he could get shot....

of course OP could see his congressional rep, who could pressure the usps to accomodate his private roadsituation

On 7/25/2016 5:28 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 7/25/16 3:58 AM, Ted wrote:
On 07/24/2016 11:09 PM, Henry Jones wrote:


[snip]

, that obnoxiously loud potato-potato-potato noise,
unique to a douche bag on a Harley, would keep the gate locked.

You might be surprised at the folks who ride Harleys. Farmers,
lawyers, and people that belong to groups like Bikers for Christ.
Some are baby boomers that missed out on riding when they were
younger. Better the Harley sound than the rice rockets that sound
like they're turbine powered.
You probably won't see "kids" riding a Gold Wing or HD trike.
New ones can run in excess of $35,000.

Before we get too far adrift here (and if anyone really cares) perhaps
Henry could step in to define "Bikers." I initially thought he was
talking about motorcycles, but his comment about the "bikers" accusing
him of knocking them off their bike. . .

Are dealing with bicyclists or motorcyclists, Henry?

On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 6:56:02 AM UTC-4, Micky wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 13:03:58 -0500, Henry Jones
wrote:

The drive serves a handful of homes only but there are trails at the
end that a lot of bikers and hikers use that skirt out back behind people's
property (all in private land).

Are the bikers on motorbikes or bicycles?

Think about it.

Earlier in this thread Henry said: "they said I knocked them off their
bikes, but I didn't..."

What would be the safe assumption to make based on that statement?

On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 7:00:58 AM UTC-4, Micky wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 22:31:05 -0500, Unquestionably Confused
wrote:

On 7/24/2016 8:18 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
On 7/24/2016 6:08 PM, anonymous wrote:
On 7/24/2016 9:03 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
The post office does not deliver mail on Sundays, so no problem with a
gate on Sundays.

One word: Amazon

Amazon doesn't deliver. FedEx and UPS do. And they are happy to take
gate codes.


And Sunday deliveries are handled by USPS under contract.

And Amazon does deliver now. They delivered something to me on a
Sunday when I wasn't in a hurry, didn't ask for it, and would have
been happy with Monday or Wednesday.

Really? *Amazon* delivers? Did the truck actually say Amazon on the side?
Interesting.

Oh wait..maybe they used one of the Amazon Drones we've been hearing
so much about. How cool was that?

On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 8:02:43 AM UTC-4, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
On 7/25/2016 5:28 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 7/25/16 3:58 AM, Ted wrote:
On 07/24/2016 11:09 PM, Henry Jones wrote:


[snip]

, that obnoxiously loud potato-potato-potato noise,
unique to a douche bag on a Harley, would keep the gate locked.

You might be surprised at the folks who ride Harleys. Farmers,
lawyers, and people that belong to groups like Bikers for Christ.
Some are baby boomers that missed out on riding when they were
younger. Better the Harley sound than the rice rockets that sound
like they're turbine powered.
You probably won't see "kids" riding a Gold Wing or HD trike.
New ones can run in excess of $35,000.

Before we get too far adrift here (and if anyone really cares) perhaps
Henry could step in to define "Bikers." I initially thought he was
talking about motorcycles, but his comment about the "bikers" accusing
him of knocking them off their bike. . .

Are dealing with bicyclists or motorcyclists, Henry?

What do you think?

According to Henry...

"The police came by because someone called them saying I was illegally
blocking the road (they said I knocked them off their bikes, but I didn't -
I simply told them to turn back and they didn't). "

If these were motorcyclists, even the most passive of riders, I doubt that
they would have just picked up their motorcycles and rode off to find the
police.

Henry would have to be one mean looking, crazy acting dude to first off be
able to knock *them* off their motorcycles and then to have them to
just pick up their motorcycles and ride away.

"Henry Jones" wrote in message ...
On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 14:35:29 -0000 (UTC), Henry Jones wrote:

I'm thinking of putting down a big "stencil" on the road of something like:
"PRIVATE DRIVE | NO PULIC ACCESS"

According to this document:
http://www.indiopd.org/pdf/Trespassing_Requirements.pdf

Legally, apparently, California no-trespassing signs must say the explicit
words "Trespassing/Loitering Forbidden by Law", and the letters must be at
least 2 inches in height, and the sign must be at least 1-foot square
posted at no less frequency than 3 per mile and at the entrance and exit to
all entrances to any property that wants to enforce the no-trespassing
rule.

A suggested legally accepted text is:
PRIVATE PROPERTY
TRESPASSING/LOITERING FORBIDDEN BY LAW
VIOLATORS WILL BE PROSECUTED
CALIFORNIA PENAL CODE 602

In addition, and only after adding the legally required signage, homeowners
"could" send an official form every six months to the police who can
enforce the rules in their absence (but they will only do so if the
appropriate signage is already in place).

http://www.freesignprinter.com/image...boobs-sign.jpg

On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 05:02:19 -0000 (UTC), Henry Jones wrote:

A suggested legally accepted text is:
PRIVATE PROPERTY
TRESPASSING/LOITERING FORBIDDEN BY LAW
VIOLATORS WILL BE PROSECUTED
CALIFORNIA PENAL CODE 602

Here's another California cite:
http://police.escondido.org/sign-requirements.aspx

Per PC 553 repeats that the required keywords a
"Trespassing-loitering forbidden by law

It seems also that "Private Road, No Trespassing" can also be used.

On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 06:55:58 -0400, Micky wrote:

Are the bikers on motorbikes or bicycles?

Mountain bikers.

Very dusty mountain bikers.

No road bike would make it the five miles of thorny California scrub that
it takes to get to the next paved road.

An ATV could make it, as could a pickup truck; but not a street bike
(certainly a dirt bike would have no problem - but I've never seen a dirt
bike on that trail ever).

On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 07:22:49 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 wrote:

Henry would have to be one mean looking, crazy acting dude to first off be
able to knock *them* off their motorcycles and then to have them to
just pick up their motorcycles and ride away.

Yeah, I'm not all that mean looking, especially with two young kids at my
side when the bicyclist (mountain bikers) refused to turn back.

On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 07:02:40 -0500, Unquestionably Confused wrote:

Before we get too far adrift here (and if anyone really cares) perhaps
Henry could step in to define "Bikers." I initially thought he was
talking about motorcycles, but his comment about the "bikers" accusing
him of knocking them off their bike. . .

Are dealing with bicyclists or motorcyclists, Henry?

Mountain bikers.
Bicycles.
Very dusty bicycles since the trail is 5 miles from the nearest road on the
one end of the private road.

On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 07:33:54 -0400, Micky wrote:

I don't view trespassing as harmless.

What is the harm here?

The harm is that they *could* get a prescriptive easement.
If they did, certainly the government would make requirements to maintain
the safety for them.
That could cost tens of thousands of dollars depending on what the
improvements mandated by the government would be.

So, the biggest harm is that another easement would be in place, which
lowers the value of the land tremendously and which increases the costs.

Why do you think a potential cost of many tens of thousands isn't harm?

BTW, there is also the potential harm from personal injury lawsuits, and if
you don't think legal fees are harmful to the property owner, then you've
never dealt with a lawyer. (They always win, even if you lose.)

In addition, do you want your kids playing outside acres within their own
property where trespassers can ride right by them as they're learning how
to skate a thousand feet inside their property line?

The bikers are a relatively clean lot when it comes to littering, but I
have found co2 cartridges scattered about, where I think people repaired
flats (what else would a brand new punctured co2 cartridge be used for?).

In addition, I had a guy yell to me that I could take my private road and
shove it up my you know what, right in front of my kids. Who wants to deal
with people like that when you don't have to?

The harm is everywhere you look.

On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 07:02:24 -0400, Micky wrote:

I think it was my mailman who told me the Sunday drivers use their own
car, wear no uniform, and are part-timers, just hired for this.

That's not our local rural post office for sure.

On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 03:51:48 -0700, Taxed and Spent wrote:

I don't view trespassing as harmless.

Are you saying that once an unlawful activity starts, it should never end?

I agree with you that trespassing needs to be stopped even if it existed
prior.

You don't want trespassers if for no other reason that just liability (what
if someone falls and breaks their leg for example).

Also we all have kids. Why would we want unknown trespassers on our lands
at any point in time?

On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 06:47:46 -0400, Micky wrote:

You knew all this stuff existed when you bought *your* house, right?
Is it right to interfere with them now, when they've been using this
for such a harmless purpose?

That's a crazy question.
Let's say I bought a house with a leak in the pool or the fence in the
wrong spot.

Am I never supposed to fix that leak or move that fence just because the
house came with the leak and fence?

Even if it didnt' have that sticker, you knew it wasn't YOUR sign, and
yet you were thinking of removing it to put in your own. Are you so
different from those who drive down your road when they shouldn't?

Huh? Where are you going with that.

All the signs are on my property, and they have been there since the
beginning of time (from my perspective).

The entire property is mine, so, I can change any sign I want that isn't in
the county ROW. But that's not the point because I am expressly asking the
county of they'll put up the required signage for us (I'll let you know if
they agree).

On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 7:02:27 AM UTC-4, Micky wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 05:04:56 -0400, Ollie wrote:

On 07/24/2016 09:08 PM, anonymous wrote:
On 7/24/2016 9:03 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
The post office does not deliver mail on Sundays, so no problem with a gate on Sundays.

One word: Amazon

Yah, Team Bezos has a lot of amazing accomplishments but to get the USPS to deliver on Sunday is incredible.

I think it was my mailman who told me the Sunday drivers use their own
car, wear no uniform, and are part-timers, just hired for this.

Not in my town, at least not the "use their own car, wear no uniform" part.

I can't speak to their employment status (part vs. full) but they sure dress
like USPS employees and they get to drive those red, white & blue right-hand
drive trucks.

On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 06:47:22 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 6:56:02 AM UTC-4, Micky wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 13:03:58 -0500, Henry Jones
wrote:

The drive serves a handful of homes only but there are trails at the
end that a lot of bikers and hikers use that skirt out back behind people's
property (all in private land).

Are the bikers on motorbikes or bicycles?

Think about it.

Earlier in this thread Henry said: "they said I knocked them off their
bikes, but I didn't..."

How do you know what order I read the posts in, if I red that post at
all?

What would be the safe assumption to make based on that statement?

What are you, my SAT tutor? (not that I studied for them)

Henry can answer the question for himself, and he did.

On 07/25/2016 11:07 AM, Henry Jones wrote:
An ATV could make it, as could a pickup truck; but not a street bike
(certainly a dirt bike would have no problem - but I've never seen a dirt
bike on that trail ever).

Where do you live? I'll fix that right up.

On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 10:33:15 PM UTC-4, Micky wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 06:47:22 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 6:56:02 AM UTC-4, Micky wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 13:03:58 -0500, Henry Jones
wrote:

The drive serves a handful of homes only but there are trails at the
end that a lot of bikers and hikers use that skirt out back behind people's
property (all in private land).

Are the bikers on motorbikes or bicycles?

Think about it.

Earlier in this thread Henry said: "they said I knocked them off their
bikes, but I didn't..."

How do you know what order I read the posts in, if I red that post at
all?


Why would you read posts in any order other than the order they were
posted? Had you followed that standard, you wouldn't of had to waste
your time asking a question that had already been (essentially) answered,
nor wasted Henry's time by having him answer it (again). Henry's busy
knocking people off of their bikes; he doesn't have time to answer questions
for people who don't bother to read posts in a normal manner.

What would be the safe assumption to make based on that statement?

What are you, my SAT tutor? (not that I studied for them)

How'd that 600 work out for you?


Henry can answer the question for himself, and he did.

That's because Henry's a nice guy...nice enough not to have said "If
you had read my earlier posts, you'd already know the answer to your
question.

On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 06:51:28 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 7:00:58 AM UTC-4, Micky wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 22:31:05 -0500, Unquestionably Confused
wrote:

On 7/24/2016 8:18 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
On 7/24/2016 6:08 PM, anonymous wrote:
On 7/24/2016 9:03 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
The post office does not deliver mail on Sundays, so no problem with a
gate on Sundays.

One word: Amazon

Amazon doesn't deliver. FedEx and UPS do. And they are happy to take
gate codes.


And Sunday deliveries are handled by USPS under contract.

And Amazon does deliver now. They delivered something to me on a
Sunday when I wasn't in a hurry, didn't ask for it, and would have
been happy with Monday or Wednesday.

Really?

Yes, really. What do you think I said it for.

*Amazon* delivers? Did the truck actually say Amazon on the side?
Interesting.

It wasn't a truck, it was a white or cream colored car. It might have
said amzn** on it, on a magnetic sign, or maybe nothing.

**But I might have only seen amzn in the tracking. when Amazon
delivers, the tracking says amzn.

And I talked to the driver and he said he worked for Amazon. Satisfied
now?

How this goes with what the mailman told me, I'm not sure. Maybe two
separate situations.

Oh wait..maybe they used one of the Amazon Drones we've been hearing
so much about. How cool was that?

On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 11:31:58 PM UTC-4, Micky wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 06:51:28 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 7:00:58 AM UTC-4, Micky wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 22:31:05 -0500, Unquestionably Confused
wrote:

On 7/24/2016 8:18 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
On 7/24/2016 6:08 PM, anonymous wrote:
On 7/24/2016 9:03 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
The post office does not deliver mail on Sundays, so no problem with a
gate on Sundays.

One word: Amazon

Amazon doesn't deliver. FedEx and UPS do. And they are happy to take
gate codes.


And Sunday deliveries are handled by USPS under contract.

And Amazon does deliver now. They delivered something to me on a
Sunday when I wasn't in a hurry, didn't ask for it, and would have
been happy with Monday or Wednesday.

Really?

Yes, really. What do you think I said it for.

*Amazon* delivers? Did the truck actually say Amazon on the side?
Interesting.

It wasn't a truck, it was a white or cream colored car. It might have
said amzn** on it, on a magnetic sign, or maybe nothing.

**But I might have only seen amzn in the tracking. when Amazon
delivers, the tracking says amzn.

And I talked to the driver and he said he worked for Amazon. Satisfied
now?

No, not really. However, if you tell me that you live in one of these
areas, I might be:

Los Angeles
San Diego
San Francisco
San Jose
Oakland
Seattle
Chicago
Dallas
Austin
Phoenix
Philadelphia
New York metro area


How this goes with what the mailman told me, I'm not sure. Maybe two
separate situations.

Oh wait..maybe they used one of the Amazon Drones we've been hearing
so much about. How cool was that?