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"Wes Groleau" wrote in message
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On 12-05-2012 23:30, Attila Iskander wrote:
"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
# Much like the humming bird. Science has proven that it cannot fly.

Don't forget the bumble-bee is also not supposed to be able to fly
But fly it does anyway.

Two (false) urban legends meet on Usenet.


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but what they conceal is vital."
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On 12/5/2012 11:45 AM, harry wrote:
On Dec 5, 2:21 pm, Home Guy wrote:
Bob F wrote:
The more I read that story the more BS it is.

How do you "hook into hay"?
How are bales left out "prior to harvesting"?

Journalism has sunk pretty low in the USA.

Ever drive past hayfields? I see bales all over them at times,
with nobody in sight.

Harry (being in the UK) is not familiar with the size and scale of farm
fields here in north america.

I know they are moved under cover as soon as possible to keep them dry.


Dude, out here in the big prairie states where huge acreage and large
animal operations are the norm, farmers don't fool with the standard
hay bales. They make massive round bales, which are cylindrical and
weigh up to a ton each. Their shape means they shed rain easily, so
they don't need to be covered. The outer layer may rot, but there's
plenty of good solid hay tight and dry inside. It's not unusual to see
bales on the edge of fields that were made over a year previously.

They're usually 4-6 feet tall, and are moved with a truck (hooked up
and dropped on the bed) or by an all-terrain vehicle used as a skid
loader. They're usually left in the fields where they're made. Farmers
haul them in as they are needed.

It's leaving them out in the fields that makes them easy targets,
especially the bales that are on the sides of a road.

Moe DeLoughan wrote:
-snip-

Dude, out here in the big prairie states where huge acreage and large
animal operations are the norm, farmers don't fool with the standard
hay bales. They make massive round bales, which are cylindrical and
weigh up to a ton each. Their shape means they shed rain easily, so
they don't need to be covered. The outer layer may rot, but there's
plenty of good solid hay tight and dry inside. It's not unusual to see
bales on the edge of fields that were made over a year previously.

You see more of the big ones in New York and New England than you do
the little ones these days. It appears to me that the only folks who
make the small bales are folks who are selling it.

I see a lot of them uncovered-- but almost as many in those giant
white baggies these days.

Jim

"Wes Groleau" wrote in message
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On 12-05-2012 23:30, Attila Iskander wrote:
"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
# Much like the humming bird. Science has proven that it cannot fly.

Don't forget the bumble-bee is also not supposed to be able to fly
But fly it does anyway.

Two (false) urban legends meet on Usenet.



Funny how those "legends" existed LONG BEFORE the internet
Jus goes to show your limited knowledge

"harry" wrote in message
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On Dec 5, 6:02 pm, IGot2P wrote:
On 12/5/2012 11:45 AM, harry wrote:









On Dec 5, 2:21 pm, Home Guy wrote:
Bob F wrote:
The more I read that story the more BS it is.

How do you "hook into hay"?
How are bales left out "prior to harvesting"?

Journalism has sunk pretty low in the USA.

Ever drive past hayfields? I see bales all over them at times,
with nobody in sight.

Harry (being in the UK) is not familiar with the size and scale of farm
fields here in north america.

I know they are moved under cover as soon as possible to keep them dry.

Obviously, you don't have a clue. Most balers wraps the big bales with a
waterproof material so they can be left out year around. They are moved
out of the hay field but normally simply to an open area where the
livestock cannot get to them.
#
# Obviously, you don't have a clue. That is not hay in the black
# plastic, it is silage.


Damn, harry
Are you a professional idiot ?
Or do you come by it naturally ?


http://www.tudorag.com/Haywrap.htm
"Hay Wrap
The Hay Wrap mounts on your tractor's 3pt hitch
and uses its hydraulics to rotate the bale..."

"harry" wrote in message
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On Dec 5, 7:30 pm, "NotMe" wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

...
On Dec 5, 2:21 pm, Home Guy wrote:

Bob F wrote:
The more I read that story the more BS it is.

How do you "hook into hay"?
How are bales left out "prior to harvesting"?

Journalism has sunk pretty low in the USA.

Ever drive past hayfields? I see bales all over them at times,
with nobody in sight.

Harry (being in the UK) is not familiar with the size and scale of farm
fields here in north america.

I know they are moved under cover as soon as possible to keep them dry.

{{

Rolled bales are often covered with sheet plastic and left in the fields
for
extended periods. At least in the fields here in N. Texas. (been a bit dry
here abouts over the past several years so that may have something to do
with the practice)
#
# Even dew will spoil hay.
# The black bags are not hay but silage. (Fermented grass)
# Silage BTW would be twice the weight of hay.
# http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silage

Poor harry
A classic demonstration that limited knowledge is a dangerous thing
http://www.tudorag.com/Haywrap%20brochure%20web.pdf

Note how they are discussing hay bales, NOT silage

"harry" wrote in message
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On Dec 5, 10:48 pm, "Pete C." wrote:
chaniarts wrote:

On 12/5/2012 10:48 AM, harry wrote:
On Dec 5, 2:09 pm, " Attila Iskander"
wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

...
On Dec 5, 5:21 am, Will Rogers "W.Rogers"@Where the Wind Comes

Sweepin' Down the.Plain wrote:
Apparently, it's not enough to be thieving copper in Newark, or
looting
homes destroyed by hurricanes or forest-fire.

What could be lower than stealing hay from desperate farmers?

---------------------

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/12/...-fight-rise-in...

December 3, 2012 9:49 AM

ST. LOUIS (KMOX) - As if it s not bad enough that Missouri farmers
are
trying to survive the worst drought in decades, now many of them are
facing a new problem that s costing them big bucks.

Missouri Farm Bureau president Blake Hurst says thieves are actually
targeting those big bundles of hay that are left out in fields prior
to
being harvested, hauling them off and selling the valuable
commodity.

Of course, no one brands their hay so if you hook onto it with your
tractor or your pickup and make it out the gate, then it s
impossible to
prove where the hay came from, Hurst said.

With winter approaching and grass dying out, the price for fresh hay
to
feed livestock is on the rise, and Hurst says that makes unguarded
bales
a tempting target.

Ironically, it s because of the ongoing drought that fresh hay has
become so valuable with the winter season fast approaching.

And it s not just Missouri. This trend is happening in farm states
across the country, so much so that some are now putting global
positioning trackers inside their bales, in case they re stolen.

#
# The more I read that story the more BS it is.
#

First, read up on why round bales have become so popular
http://pods.dasnr.okstate.edu/docushare/dsweb/Get/Document-1772/BAE-1...

# How do you "hook into hay"?

One way with a pickup truck.
All you need is a winch, a steel bar, an short length of cable with a
loop
at each end and a ramp
1) Shove the steel bar through the center of the roll
2) hook your short cable on each of the the bar
3) hook your winch to the cable
4) roll hay wheel up ramp to back of pickup

Alternately, you can install a crane on your pickup and just lift the
bale
on the back.
http://www.google.com/search?q=pickup+truck+crane&hl=en&tbo=u&tbm=isc...

Third method, use a car transporter, drop the bed near the bales, and
daisy-chain the bales onto the bed

# How are bales left out "prior to harvesting"?
#

You're right that is a bit weak
But harvesting could also include removing it from the field
If you just cut, dry and roll it but leave it on the filed, the
"harvesting"
is only partial
The last step, moving somewhere else for storage or use is yet to be
done.

# Journalism has sunk pretty low in the USA.

Not as low as education in England, if we go by your performance.

How do you shove a steel bar through the centre of a hay bale? It is
packed almost as hard as if it were a block of timber.

And even if you succeeded, how would you get it out?
I see you know as little as these journalists.

you sharpen one end, and taper it. don't they teach thinking in england?

They make round bale lifts to put on the back of a pickup or other truck
that have the central bale spear and a couple side spears for
anti-rotation. A hydraulic cylinder tilts the assembly up and down. Tilt
down, back truck into the round bale, tilt up and drive off. Takes
seconds. Reverse to deposit the bale where you want it. They sell this
equipment at pretty much every farm supply store.
#
# The bale lifts go on the front or back of an agricultural tractor
# using the hydraulics to lift.
# So it would need to be another farmer.
#
# That narrows down the suspects then a bit.

Actually not
Many car thieves while well equipped with locksmith tools are not
locksmiths by any stretch of the imagination
A professional thief would get the right tools for the job

"harry" wrote in message
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On Dec 5, 6:32 pm, " Attila Iskander"
wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

...
On Dec 5, 2:09 pm, " Attila Iskander"
wrote:







"harry" wrote in message

...
On Dec 5, 5:21 am, Will Rogers "W.Rogers"@Where the Wind Comes

Sweepin' Down the.Plain wrote:
Apparently, it's not enough to be thieving copper in Newark, or
looting
homes destroyed by hurricanes or forest-fire.

What could be lower than stealing hay from desperate farmers?

---------------------

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/12/...-fight-rise-in...

December 3, 2012 9:49 AM

ST. LOUIS (KMOX) - As if it s not bad enough that Missouri farmers are
trying to survive the worst drought in decades, now many of them are
facing a new problem that s costing them big bucks.

Missouri Farm Bureau president Blake Hurst says thieves are actually
targeting those big bundles of hay that are left out in fields prior
to
being harvested, hauling them off and selling the valuable commodity.

Of course, no one brands their hay so if you hook onto it with your
tractor or your pickup and make it out the gate, then it s impossible
to
prove where the hay came from, Hurst said.

With winter approaching and grass dying out, the price for fresh hay
to
feed livestock is on the rise, and Hurst says that makes unguarded
bales
a tempting target.

Ironically, it s because of the ongoing drought that fresh hay has
become so valuable with the winter season fast approaching.

And it s not just Missouri. This trend is happening in farm states
across the country, so much so that some are now putting global
positioning trackers inside their bales, in case they re stolen.

#
# The more I read that story the more BS it is.
#

First, read up on why round bales have become so popular
http://pods.dasnr.okstate.edu/docushare/dsweb/Get/Document-1772/BAE-1...

# How do you "hook into hay"?

One way with a pickup truck.
All you need is a winch, a steel bar, an short length of cable with a
loop
at each end and a ramp
1) Shove the steel bar through the center of the roll
2) hook your short cable on each of the the bar
3) hook your winch to the cable
4) roll hay wheel up ramp to back of pickup

Alternately, you can install a crane on your pickup and just lift the
bale
on the back.
http://www.google.com/search?q=pickup+truck+crane&hl=en&tbo=u&tbm=isc...

Third method, use a car transporter, drop the bed near the bales, and
daisy-chain the bales onto the bed

# How are bales left out "prior to harvesting"?
#

You're right that is a bit weak
But harvesting could also include removing it from the field
If you just cut, dry and roll it but leave it on the filed, the
"harvesting"
is only partial
The last step, moving somewhere else for storage or use is yet to be
done.

# Journalism has sunk pretty low in the USA.

Not as low as education in England, if we go by your performance.

#
#How do you shove a steel bar through the centre of a hay bale? It is
# packed almost as hard as if it were a block of timber.

Never heard of a bale spear ?

# And even if you succeeded, how would you get it out?
# I see you know as little as these journalists.

Funny how farmers have no trouble either shoving in or pulling out their
bale spears.
You have to wonder how on earth they manage to do it...
#
# They manage it because the spear is mounted on an agricultural tractor
# (front or rear).

And what makes you imagine that a relatively professional thief would NOT
get the right tools to make the job easier and quicker ?

"harry" wrote in message
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On Dec 6, 12:30 am, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 12/5/12 1:09 AM, harry wrote:

Interesting story.
How do they load a big bale of hay weighing half a ton or more?
Why would hay be left outdoors anyway?

With something as simple as this:http://tinyurl.com/bx3zy6m
There are many loaders made for tractors, skid loaders and pickups.
It isn't at all unusual for hay to be left outside. The bales might
rot a bit on the outside but the interior is usually fine.
We used to put what we could in the barn and stack the rest just
outside the cow lot. This was in the days of the 60-80 pound
rectangular bales. We loaded, unloaded, and stacked by hand.
Ranchers in the Nebraska Sandhills used to make hay stacks with
loose hay. A single haystack hehttp://tinyurl.com/ajxoece
A bunch of pictures here http://tinyurl.com/cqap8tfof various sized
bales, hay equipment etc.
#
# Few people make small bales these days.
# Few people even make hay, they make silage.
# How do you steal a haystack of loose hay then?


Keep spinning and trying to move the goalposts
Isn't silage just one form of hay ?
And since when is the subject "haystacks"

It's a sure sign that you realize you have once again been shown to be an
ignorant idiot.

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Dec 5, 6:30 pm, " Attila Iskander"
wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

...
On Dec 5, 2:21 pm, Home Guy wrote: Bob F wrote:
The more I read that story the more BS it is.

How do you "hook into hay"?
How are bales left out "prior to harvesting"?

Journalism has sunk pretty low in the USA.

Ever drive past hayfields? I see bales all over them at times,
with nobody in sight.

Harry (being in the UK) is not familiar with the size and scale of farm
fields here in north america.

#
# I know they are moved under cover as soon as possible to keep them dry.
#

Bud do you know if they go to the cover or the cover comes to them
#
# I know they have to be stored in a well ventilated, dry place.
# Any moisture at all will cause the hay to rot.
# Away from damp in the ground too.

Glad to see that you know something
Too bad you seem unable to apply your knowledge appropriately. Not to
mention, not letting your presumptions to get in the way.

"harry" wrote in message
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On Dec 5, 8:26 pm, rlz wrote:
On Dec 5, 12:35 pm, "NotMe" wrote:









"harry" wrote in message

...
On Dec 5, 2:09 pm, " Attila Iskander"
wrote:

"harry" wrote in message

...
On Dec 5, 5:21 am, Will Rogers "W.Rogers"@Where the Wind Comes

Sweepin' Down the.Plain wrote:
Apparently, it's not enough to be thieving copper in Newark, or
looting
homes destroyed by hurricanes or forest-fire.

What could be lower than stealing hay from desperate farmers?

---------------------

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/12/...-fight-rise-in...

December 3, 2012 9:49 AM

ST. LOUIS (KMOX) - As if it s not bad enough that Missouri farmers
are
trying to survive the worst drought in decades, now many of them are
facing a new problem that s costing them big bucks.

Missouri Farm Bureau president Blake Hurst says thieves are actually
targeting those big bundles of hay that are left out in fields prior
to
being harvested, hauling them off and selling the valuable
commodity.

Of course, no one brands their hay so if you hook onto it with your
tractor or your pickup and make it out the gate, then it s
impossible to
prove where the hay came from, Hurst said.

With winter approaching and grass dying out, the price for fresh hay
to
feed livestock is on the rise, and Hurst says that makes unguarded
bales
a tempting target.

Ironically, it s because of the ongoing drought that fresh hay has
become so valuable with the winter season fast approaching.

And it s not just Missouri. This trend is happening in farm states
across the country, so much so that some are now putting global
positioning trackers inside their bales, in case they re stolen.

#
# The more I read that story the more BS it is.
#

First, read up on why round bales have become so popular
http://pods.dasnr.okstate.edu/docushare/dsweb/Get/Document-1772/BAE-1...

# How do you "hook into hay"?

One way with a pickup truck.
All you need is a winch, a steel bar, an short length of cable with a
loop
at each end and a ramp
1) Shove the steel bar through the center of the roll
2) hook your short cable on each of the the bar
3) hook your winch to the cable
4) roll hay wheel up ramp to back of pickup

Alternately, you can install a crane on your pickup and just lift the
bale
on the back.
http://www.google.com/search?q=pickup+truck+crane&hl=en&tbo=u&tbm=isc...

Third method, use a car transporter, drop the bed near the bales, and
daisy-chain the bales onto the bed

# How are bales left out "prior to harvesting"?
#

You're right that is a bit weak
But harvesting could also include removing it from the field
If you just cut, dry and roll it but leave it on the filed, the
"harvesting"
is only partial
The last step, moving somewhere else for storage or use is yet to be
done.

# Journalism has sunk pretty low in the USA.

Not as low as education in England, if we go by your performance.

How do you shove a steel bar through the centre of a hay bale? It is
packed almost as hard as if it were a block of timber.
And even if you succeeded, how would you get it out?
I see you know as little as these journalists.

{{

Apply sufficient force (does not take much) for both operations. (not a
journalists but one who, a long time back, worked for chump change
shoveling
horse sh|t and wrestling hay in and out of trucks/flat bed trailers.)-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

For those that don't know much about how hay is processed, here is a
brief rundown of the tasks involved.
1. Once the grass grows to a significant height, a tractor with a
mowing attachment mows the field, leaving the grass cutting on the
ground.
2. After a period of drying time (we used to wait a day or two), a
tractor with a raking attachment goes over the cut grass and rakes the
hay into rows.
3. Then a tractor with a baling attachment goes over each row and
gathers the hays to put into bales of hay. These bales can be round
cylinders or rectangle blocks, as well as fairly small (50-100 Lbs) to
very large 1000+ LBs bales.
4. The bales can be left in the hay field, but most farmers move the
bales into a barn for storage, or into an outside area that livestock
doesn't have access to. This is to allow the hay fields to grow
back. The actually moving of the bales, if small in size, can be done
by hand using a flat-bed trailer and pickup truck. The larger bales
are usually moved via a tractor witha pole attachment.

It wouldn't be much of an effort for someone in a pickup hauling a
large flat-bed trailer with a tractor on the it to steal the hay.
Just pull up to a pasture where the hay is located, drive the tractor
off the trailer, pick up a few bales of hay and stack them on the
trailor, drive the tractor back onto the trailer, and then drive the
pickup away.
#
# So the cops won't notice anyone transporting a tractor on a trailer
# along with several tons of hay?

Why would they
Truck mounted forklifts are a dime a dozen, and hardly a gay goes by without
on such rig being seen.

You really have to stop projecting your "provincial" perspective on other
places

On Thursday, December 6, 2012 12:18:03 AM UTC-7, harry wrote:
On Dec 6, 1:27*am, Wes Groleau wrote:

On 12-05-2012 12:48, harry wrote:



How do you shove a steel bar through the centre of a hay bale? *It is

packed almost as hard as if it were a block of timber.

And even if you succeeded, how would you get it out?

I see you know as little as these journalists.



I see you know very little about hay.



I used to own a farm.

I can see you have a big mouth and know absolutely nothing about hay.

Owning a worm farm doesn't count Harry. Why is it sooooo hard for you to
admit that you are WRONG? Fess up...you know NOTHING about hay or haying
or hay equipment or how thieves steal it.

Attila Iskander wrote:

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Dec 5, 10:48 pm, "Pete C." wrote:
chaniarts wrote:

On 12/5/2012 10:48 AM, harry wrote:
On Dec 5, 2:09 pm, " Attila Iskander"
wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

...
On Dec 5, 5:21 am, Will Rogers "W.Rogers"@Where the Wind Comes

Sweepin' Down the.Plain wrote:
Apparently, it's not enough to be thieving copper in Newark, or
looting
homes destroyed by hurricanes or forest-fire.

What could be lower than stealing hay from desperate farmers?

---------------------

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/12/...-fight-rise-in...

December 3, 2012 9:49 AM

ST. LOUIS (KMOX) - As if it s not bad enough that Missouri farmers
are
trying to survive the worst drought in decades, now many of them are
facing a new problem that s costing them big bucks.

Missouri Farm Bureau president Blake Hurst says thieves are actually
targeting those big bundles of hay that are left out in fields prior
to
being harvested, hauling them off and selling the valuable
commodity.

Of course, no one brands their hay so if you hook onto it with your
tractor or your pickup and make it out the gate, then it s
impossible to
prove where the hay came from, Hurst said.

With winter approaching and grass dying out, the price for fresh hay
to
feed livestock is on the rise, and Hurst says that makes unguarded
bales
a tempting target.

Ironically, it s because of the ongoing drought that fresh hay has
become so valuable with the winter season fast approaching.

And it s not just Missouri. This trend is happening in farm states
across the country, so much so that some are now putting global
positioning trackers inside their bales, in case they re stolen.

#
# The more I read that story the more BS it is.
#

First, read up on why round bales have become so popular
http://pods.dasnr.okstate.edu/docushare/dsweb/Get/Document-1772/BAE-1...

# How do you "hook into hay"?

One way with a pickup truck.
All you need is a winch, a steel bar, an short length of cable with a
loop
at each end and a ramp
1) Shove the steel bar through the center of the roll
2) hook your short cable on each of the the bar
3) hook your winch to the cable
4) roll hay wheel up ramp to back of pickup

Alternately, you can install a crane on your pickup and just lift the
bale
on the back.
http://www.google.com/search?q=pickup+truck+crane&hl=en&tbo=u&tbm=isc...

Third method, use a car transporter, drop the bed near the bales, and
daisy-chain the bales onto the bed

# How are bales left out "prior to harvesting"?
#

You're right that is a bit weak
But harvesting could also include removing it from the field
If you just cut, dry and roll it but leave it on the filed, the
"harvesting"
is only partial
The last step, moving somewhere else for storage or use is yet to be
done.

# Journalism has sunk pretty low in the USA.

Not as low as education in England, if we go by your performance.

How do you shove a steel bar through the centre of a hay bale? It is
packed almost as hard as if it were a block of timber.

And even if you succeeded, how would you get it out?
I see you know as little as these journalists.

you sharpen one end, and taper it. don't they teach thinking in england?

They make round bale lifts to put on the back of a pickup or other truck
that have the central bale spear and a couple side spears for
anti-rotation. A hydraulic cylinder tilts the assembly up and down. Tilt
down, back truck into the round bale, tilt up and drive off. Takes
seconds. Reverse to deposit the bale where you want it. They sell this
equipment at pretty much every farm supply store.
#
# The bale lifts go on the front or back of an agricultural tractor
# using the hydraulics to lift.
# So it would need to be another farmer.
#
# That narrows down the suspects then a bit.

Nope, wrong again. Bale lifts for tractors are certainly available, but
the pickup lifts are extremely common. The potential suspect list is
enormous.

On 12/6/2012 12:52 AM, harry wrote:
On Dec 5, 6:02 pm, IGot2P wrote:
On 12/5/2012 11:45 AM, harry wrote:









On Dec 5, 2:21 pm, Home Guy wrote:
Bob F wrote:
The more I read that story the more BS it is.

How do you "hook into hay"?
How are bales left out "prior to harvesting"?

Journalism has sunk pretty low in the USA.

Ever drive past hayfields? I see bales all over them at times,
with nobody in sight.

Harry (being in the UK) is not familiar with the size and scale of farm
fields here in north america.

I know they are moved under cover as soon as possible to keep them dry.

Obviously, you don't have a clue. Most balers wraps the big bales with a
waterproof material so they can be left out year around. They are moved
out of the hay field but normally simply to an open area where the
livestock cannot get to them.

Obviously, you don't have a clue. That is not hay in the black
plastic, it is silage.


Harry, are you trying to look even dumber than you really are or what? I
didn't even mention black plastic and what we wrap in plastic (normally
clear or white) is definitely hay and NOT silage!

On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 2:09:38 AM UTC-5, harry wrote:
Interesting story.

How do they load a big bale of hay weighing half a ton or more?

They're round. A couple of healthy men could easily roll them up a ramp into a pickup truck.

Most bales don't weigh anywhere near 1/2 ton anyway. 500lb bales can be lifted by 3-4 average men.

Why would hay be left outdoors anyway?

Buildings are expensive and harvest time is short. It is quite common to leave the bales lined up along the edge of the field they were made in, until they're needed at the farm. This saves on building costs and defers the hauling duties until the off-season.

On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 1:02:27 PM UTC-5, IGot2P wrote:
Obviously, you don't have a clue. Most balers wraps the big bales with a
waterproof material so they can be left out year around. They are moved
out of the hay field but normally simply to an open area where the
livestock cannot get to them.

Most?

Hell, most farmers just leave the bales right there in the field, wide open exposed to the weather. Only the "rich" farmers have wrappers.

There is some damage, but usually they just grind the whole bale up and mix the good in with the bad and feed to the livestock anyway.

harry wrote:

Even dew will spoil hay.
The black bags are not hay but silage. (Fermented grass)
Silage BTW would be twice the weight of hay.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silage

Hmm. When I visited the UK contryside, I saw many houses roofed with straw.
From my reading, a thatched roof can last up to fifty years. And there are
buildings in existence that were originally thatched 500 years ago, with up
to seven feet of additional thatching implaced over the years.

Perhaps you should get out more.

"IGot2P" wrote in message
...
On 12/6/2012 12:52 AM, harry wrote:
On Dec 5, 6:02 pm, IGot2P wrote:
On 12/5/2012 11:45 AM, harry wrote:









On Dec 5, 2:21 pm, Home Guy wrote:
Bob F wrote:
The more I read that story the more BS it is.

How do you "hook into hay"?
How are bales left out "prior to harvesting"?

Journalism has sunk pretty low in the USA.

Ever drive past hayfields? I see bales all over them at times,
with nobody in sight.

Harry (being in the UK) is not familiar with the size and scale of
farm
fields here in north america.

I know they are moved under cover as soon as possible to keep them dry.

Obviously, you don't have a clue. Most balers wraps the big bales with a
waterproof material so they can be left out year around. They are moved
out of the hay field but normally simply to an open area where the
livestock cannot get to them.

Obviously, you don't have a clue. That is not hay in the black
plastic, it is silage.


Harry, are you trying to look even dumber than you really are or what? I
didn't even mention black plastic and what we wrap in plastic (normally
clear or white) is definitely hay and NOT silage!



It's called redirection
A vain attempt to cover his gross and grotesque show of stupidity and
ignorance.
Although in harry's case that seems to be par for the course

harry wrote:
On Dec 5, 2:21 pm, Home Guy wrote:
Bob F wrote:
The more I read that story the more BS it is.

How do you "hook into hay"?
How are bales left out "prior to harvesting"?

Journalism has sunk pretty low in the USA.

Ever drive past hayfields? I see bales all over them at times,
with nobody in sight.

Harry (being in the UK) is not familiar with the size and scale of farm
fields here in north america.

I know they are moved under cover as soon as possible to keep them dry.

I caught one getting away.

http://zekfrivolous.com/trail/gotem.JPG

Greg

On 12-06-2012 09:18, Attila Iskander wrote:
Funny how those "legends" existed LONG BEFORE the internet
Jus goes to show your limited knowledge

Yep. I heard one of them before I was ten.

It was false then, too.

--
Wes Groleau

Don't get even €” get odd!

On 12-06-2012 02:18, harry wrote:
On Dec 6, 1:27 am, Wes Groleau wrote:
On 12-05-2012 12:48, harry wrote:

How do you shove a steel bar through the centre of a hay bale? It is
packed almost as hard as if it were a block of timber.
And even if you succeeded, how would you get it out?
I see you know as little as these journalists.

I see you know very little about hay.

I used to own a farm.
I can see you have a big mouth and know absolutely nothing about hay.

I didn't own one; my father did. 250 acres; forty or fifty head of
cattle; half the acreage in hay. I have operated hay balers that were
brand-new and hay balers that were a hundred years old.

I have thrown straw and alfalfa bales with hooks and without.

They are pretty solid, but not as solid as wood.
Unless you mean cork or balsa.

--
Wes Groleau

Change is inevitable. We need to learn that €œinevitable" is
neither a synonym for €œgood" nor for €œbad.€�

On Dec 6, 2:18*pm, " Attila Iskander"
wrote:
"Wes Groleau" wrote in message

...

On 12-05-2012 23:30, *Attila Iskander wrote:
"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
# Much like the humming bird. Science has proven that it cannot fly.

Don't forget the bumble-bee is also not supposed to be able to fly
* * But fly it does anyway.

Two (false) urban legends meet on Usenet.

Funny how those "legends" existed LONG BEFORE the internet
* * Jus goes to show your limited knowledge

Legends/lies nevertheless.

On Dec 6, 2:23*pm, " Attila Iskander"
wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

...
On Dec 5, 6:02 pm, IGot2P wrote:







On 12/5/2012 11:45 AM, harry wrote:

On Dec 5, 2:21 pm, Home Guy wrote:
Bob F wrote:
The more I read that story the more BS it is.

How do you "hook into hay"?
How are bales left out "prior to harvesting"?

Journalism has sunk pretty low in the USA.

Ever drive past hayfields? I see bales all over them at times,
with nobody in sight.

Harry (being in the UK) is not familiar with the size and scale of farm
fields here in north america.

I know they are moved under cover as soon as possible to keep them dry.

Obviously, you don't have a clue. Most balers wraps the big bales with a
waterproof material so they can be left out year around. They are moved
out of the hay field but normally simply to an open area where the
livestock cannot get to them.

#
# Obviously, you don't have a clue. *That is not hay in the black
# plastic, it is silage.

Damn, harry
Are you a professional idiot ?
Or do you come by it naturally ?

* * http://www.tudorag.com/Haywrap.htm
* * "Hay Wrap
* * * * The Hay Wrap mounts on your tractor's 3pt hitch
* * * * and uses its hydraulics to rotate the bale..."

Well done.
Pity you never read it properly.

Though it's called "haywrap" it is for silage as it says further
down.

Quote
Bring the silage bales in with your regular bale mover and place them
in a tight row. Spear the bales with the HayWrap machine, apply
plastic (4 layers ). Place in the storage row with the HayWrap machine
and RAM them very tightly together. This will expel any air and form a
super tight seal.
unquote

Usual standard of illiteracy I see.

On Dec 6, 2:30*pm, " Attila Iskander"
wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

...
On Dec 5, 6:32 pm, " Attila Iskander"
wrote:







"harry" wrote in message

....
On Dec 5, 2:09 pm, " Attila Iskander"
wrote:

"harry" wrote in message

....
On Dec 5, 5:21 am, Will Rogers "W.Rogers"@Where the Wind Comes

Sweepin' Down the.Plain wrote:
Apparently, it's not enough to be thieving copper in Newark, or
looting
homes destroyed by hurricanes or forest-fire.

What could be lower than stealing hay from desperate farmers?

---------------------

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/12/...-fight-rise-in...

December 3, 2012 9:49 AM

ST. LOUIS (KMOX) - As if it s not bad enough that Missouri farmers are
trying to survive the worst drought in decades, now many of them are
facing a new problem that s costing them big bucks.

Missouri Farm Bureau president Blake Hurst says thieves are actually
targeting those big bundles of hay that are left out in fields prior
to
being harvested, hauling them off and selling the valuable commodity.

Of course, no one brands their hay so if you hook onto it with your
tractor or your pickup and make it out the gate, then it s impossible
to
prove where the hay came from, Hurst said.

With winter approaching and grass dying out, the price for fresh hay
to
feed livestock is on the rise, and Hurst says that makes unguarded
bales
a tempting target.

Ironically, it s because of the ongoing drought that fresh hay has
become so valuable with the winter season fast approaching.

And it s not just Missouri. This trend is happening in farm states
across the country, so much so that some are now putting global
positioning trackers inside their bales, in case they re stolen.

#
# The more I read that story the more BS it is.
#

First, read up on why round bales have become so popular
http://pods.dasnr.okstate.edu/docushare/dsweb/Get/Document-1772/BAE-1...

# How do you "hook into hay"?

One way with a pickup truck.
All you need is a winch, a steel bar, an short length of cable with a
loop
at each end and a ramp
1) Shove the steel bar through the center of the roll
2) hook your short cable on each of the the bar
3) hook your winch to the cable
4) roll hay wheel up ramp to back of pickup

Alternately, you can install a crane on your pickup and just lift the
bale
on the back.
http://www.google.com/search?q=pickup+truck+crane&hl=en&tbo=u&tbm=isc...

Third method, use a car transporter, drop the bed near the bales, and
daisy-chain the bales onto the bed

# How are bales left out "prior to harvesting"?
#

You're right that is a bit weak
But harvesting could also include removing it from the field
If you just cut, dry and roll it but leave it on the filed, the
"harvesting"
is only partial
The last step, moving somewhere else for storage or use is yet to be
done.

# Journalism has sunk pretty low in the USA.

Not as low as education in England, if we go by your performance.

#
#How do you shove a steel bar through the centre of a hay bale? It is
# packed almost as hard as if it were a block of timber.

Never heard of a bale spear ?

# And even if you succeeded, how would you get it out?
# I see you know as little as these journalists.

Funny how farmers have no trouble either shoving in or pulling out their
bale spears.
You have to wonder how on earth they manage to do it...

#
# They manage it because the spear is mounted on an agricultural tractor
# (front or rear).

And what makes *you imagine that a relatively professional thief would NOT
get the right tools to make the job easier and quicker ?

So he's going out to spend $60,000 on a tractor to steal a $60 bale of
hay?
Or even $20,000 used?
Right. You must have pretty dozy crooks over there.

On Dec 6, 3:04*pm, " Attila Iskander"
wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

...
On Dec 6, 12:30 am, Dean Hoffman wrote:







On 12/5/12 1:09 AM, harry wrote:

Interesting story.
How do they load a big bale of hay weighing half a ton or more?
Why would hay be left outdoors anyway?

With something as simple as this:http://tinyurl.com/bx3zy6m
There are many loaders made for tractors, skid loaders and pickups.
It isn't at all unusual for hay to be left outside. The bales might
rot a bit on the outside but the interior is usually fine.
We used to put what we could in the barn and stack the rest just
outside the cow lot. This was in the days of the 60-80 pound
rectangular bales. We loaded, unloaded, and stacked by hand.
Ranchers in the Nebraska Sandhills used to make hay stacks with
loose hay. A single haystack hehttp://tinyurl.com/ajxoece
A bunch of pictures herehttp://tinyurl.com/cqap8tfofvarious sized
bales, hay equipment etc.

#
# Few people make small bales these days.
# Few people even make hay, they make silage.
# How do you steal a haystack of loose hay then?

Keep spinning and trying to move the goalposts
* * Isn't silage just one form of hay ?
* * And since when is the subject "haystacks"

It's a sure sign that you realize you have once again been shown to be an
ignorant idiot.

The only thing silage and hay need have in common is they are both
animal feed and both might be made of grass.

On Dec 6, 8:10*pm, "Pete C." wrote:
Attila Iskander wrote:

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Dec 5, 10:48 pm, "Pete C." wrote:
chaniarts wrote:

On 12/5/2012 10:48 AM, harry wrote:
On Dec 5, 2:09 pm, " Attila Iskander"
wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

...
On Dec 5, 5:21 am, Will Rogers "W.Rogers"@Where the Wind Comes

Sweepin' Down the.Plain wrote:
Apparently, it's not enough to be thieving copper in Newark, or
looting
homes destroyed by hurricanes or forest-fire.

What could be lower than stealing hay from desperate farmers?

---------------------

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/12/...-fight-rise-in...

December 3, 2012 9:49 AM

ST. LOUIS (KMOX) - As if it s not bad enough that Missouri farmers
are
trying to survive the worst drought in decades, now many of them are
facing a new problem that s costing them big bucks.

Missouri Farm Bureau president Blake Hurst says thieves are actually
targeting those big bundles of hay that are left out in fields prior
to
being harvested, hauling them off and selling the valuable
commodity.

Of course, no one brands their hay so if you hook onto it with your
tractor or your pickup and make it out the gate, then it s
impossible to
prove where the hay came from, Hurst said.

With winter approaching and grass dying out, the price for fresh hay
to
feed livestock is on the rise, and Hurst says that makes unguarded
bales
a tempting target.

Ironically, it s because of the ongoing drought that fresh hay has
become so valuable with the winter season fast approaching.

And it s not just Missouri. This trend is happening in farm states
across the country, so much so that some are now putting global
positioning trackers inside their bales, in case they re stolen..

#
# The more I read that story the more BS it is.
#

First, read up on why round bales have become so popular
http://pods.dasnr.okstate.edu/docushare/dsweb/Get/Document-1772/BAE-1...

# How do you "hook into hay"?

One way with a pickup truck.
All you need is a winch, a steel bar, an short length of cable with a
loop
at each end and a ramp
1) Shove the steel bar through the center of the roll
2) hook your short cable on each of the the bar
3) hook your winch to the cable
4) roll hay wheel up ramp to back of pickup

Alternately, you can install a crane on your pickup and just lift the
bale
on the back.
http://www.google.com/search?q=pickup+truck+crane&hl=en&tbo=u&tbm=isc...

Third method, use a car transporter, drop the bed near the bales, and
daisy-chain the bales onto the bed

# How are bales left out "prior to harvesting"?
#

You're right that is a bit weak
But harvesting could also include removing it from the field
If you just cut, dry and roll it but leave it on the filed, the
"harvesting"
is only partial
The last step, moving somewhere else for storage or use is yet to be
done.

# Journalism has sunk pretty low in the USA.

Not as low as education in England, if we go by your performance..

How do you shove a steel bar through the centre of a hay bale? It is
packed almost as hard as if it were a block of timber.

And even if you succeeded, how would you get it out?
I see you know as little as these journalists.

you sharpen one end, and taper it. don't they teach thinking in england?

They make round bale lifts to put on the back of a pickup or other truck
that have the central bale spear and a couple side spears for
anti-rotation. A hydraulic cylinder tilts the assembly up and down. Tilt
down, back truck into the round bale, tilt up and drive off. Takes
seconds. Reverse to deposit the bale where you want it. They sell this
equipment at pretty much every farm supply store.
#
# The bale lifts *go on the front or back of an agricultural tractor
# using *the hydraulics to lift.
# So it would need to be another farmer.
#
# That narrows down the suspects then a bit.

Nope, wrong again. Bale lifts for tractors are certainly available, but
the pickup lifts are extremely common. The potential suspect list is
enormous.

Picture of one?

On Dec 6, 10:06*pm, wrote:
On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 1:02:27 PM UTC-5, IGot2P wrote:
Obviously, you don't have a clue. Most balers wraps the big bales with a
waterproof material so they can be left out year around. They are moved
out of the hay field but normally simply to an open area where the
livestock cannot get to them.

Most?

Hell, most farmers just leave the bales right there in the field, wide open exposed to the weather. Only the "rich" farmers have wrappers.

There is some damage, but usually they just grind the whole bale up and mix the good in with the bad and feed to the livestock anyway.

How exactly do you grind up hay?
Animals won't eat rotten hay.

On Dec 6, 10:18*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
harry wrote:

Even dew will spoil hay.
The black bags are not hay but silage. (Fermented grass)
Silage BTW would be twice the weight of hay.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silage

Hmm. When I visited the UK contryside, I saw many houses roofed with straw.
From my reading, a thatched roof can last up to fifty years. And there are
buildings in existence that were originally thatched 500 years ago, with up
to seven feet of additional thatching implaced over the years.

Perhaps you should get out more.

Straw and hay are not the same thing.

Perhaps you should have looked more closely.
The thatched fifty year roofs are made using reeds which being a water
plant are rot resistant.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thatching

Straw lasts for much less time.
Hay would not last a year

On Dec 7, 5:54*am, Wes Groleau wrote:
On 12-06-2012 02:18, harry wrote:

On Dec 6, 1:27 am, Wes Groleau wrote:
On 12-05-2012 12:48, harry wrote:

How do you shove a steel bar through the centre of a hay bale? *It is
packed almost as hard as if it were a block of timber.
And even if you succeeded, how would you get it out?
I see you know as little as these journalists.

I see you know very little about hay.

I used to own a farm.
I can see you have a big mouth and know absolutely nothing about hay.

I didn't own one; my father did. *250 acres; forty or fifty head of
cattle; half the acreage in hay. *I have operated hay balers that were
brand-new and hay balers that were a hundred years old.

I have thrown straw and alfalfa bales with hooks and without.

They are pretty solid, but not as solid as wood.
Unless you mean cork or balsa.

And did you make big bales on your 250 acre farm?
They are an entirely different beast.

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Dec 6, 2:23 pm, " Attila Iskander"
wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

...
On Dec 5, 6:02 pm, IGot2P wrote:







On 12/5/2012 11:45 AM, harry wrote:

On Dec 5, 2:21 pm, Home Guy wrote:
Bob F wrote:
The more I read that story the more BS it is.

How do you "hook into hay"?
How are bales left out "prior to harvesting"?

Journalism has sunk pretty low in the USA.

Ever drive past hayfields? I see bales all over them at times,
with nobody in sight.

Harry (being in the UK) is not familiar with the size and scale of
farm
fields here in north america.

I know they are moved under cover as soon as possible to keep them
dry.

Obviously, you don't have a clue. Most balers wraps the big bales with a
waterproof material so they can be left out year around. They are moved
out of the hay field but normally simply to an open area where the
livestock cannot get to them.

#
# Obviously, you don't have a clue. That is not hay in the black
# plastic, it is silage.

Damn, harry
Are you a professional idiot ?
Or do you come by it naturally ?

http://www.tudorag.com/Haywrap.htm
"Hay Wrap
The Hay Wrap mounts on your tractor's 3pt hitch
and uses its hydraulics to rotate the bale..."
#
# Well done.
# Pity you never read it properly.
#
# Actually, I did, and you didn'
# More below
#
# Though it's called "haywrap" it is for silage as it says further
# down.

And even furher down it goes on to talk abou dry hay

#
# (PARTIAL) Quote
# Bring the silage bales in with your regular bale mover and place them
# in a tight row. snip
# unquote


And had you continued,
Quote
Wrapping Dry Hay:
Traditionally dry hay was stored in the barn.
Round bales significantly reduced the labor required
for haymaking and reduced the capital investment
of a storage building.
However, outside storage results in dry matter
loss and feed value loss. When both are calculated,
total feed value loss can easily surpass 50%.
With just 2 layers of plastic, the Hay Wrap machine protects and
preserves your hay.
END Quote

Poor harry
The usual superficial git...

#
# Usual standard of illiteracy I see.
#

Indeed harry
You found the word you so desperately wanted and stopped reading
Next time try going down the page, you effing moron

"harry" wrote in message
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On Dec 6, 2:30 pm, " Attila Iskander"
wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

...
On Dec 5, 6:32 pm, " Attila Iskander"
wrote:







"harry" wrote in message

...
On Dec 5, 2:09 pm, " Attila Iskander"
wrote:

"harry" wrote in message

...
On Dec 5, 5:21 am, Will Rogers "W.Rogers"@Where the Wind Comes

Sweepin' Down the.Plain wrote:
Apparently, it's not enough to be thieving copper in Newark, or
looting
homes destroyed by hurricanes or forest-fire.

What could be lower than stealing hay from desperate farmers?

---------------------

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/12/...-fight-rise-in...

December 3, 2012 9:49 AM

ST. LOUIS (KMOX) - As if it s not bad enough that Missouri farmers
are
trying to survive the worst drought in decades, now many of them are
facing a new problem that s costing them big bucks.

Missouri Farm Bureau president Blake Hurst says thieves are actually
targeting those big bundles of hay that are left out in fields prior
to
being harvested, hauling them off and selling the valuable
commodity.

Of course, no one brands their hay so if you hook onto it with your
tractor or your pickup and make it out the gate, then it s
impossible
to
prove where the hay came from, Hurst said.

With winter approaching and grass dying out, the price for fresh hay
to
feed livestock is on the rise, and Hurst says that makes unguarded
bales
a tempting target.

Ironically, it s because of the ongoing drought that fresh hay has
become so valuable with the winter season fast approaching.

And it s not just Missouri. This trend is happening in farm states
across the country, so much so that some are now putting global
positioning trackers inside their bales, in case they re stolen.

#
# The more I read that story the more BS it is.
#

First, read up on why round bales have become so popular
http://pods.dasnr.okstate.edu/docushare/dsweb/Get/Document-1772/BAE-1...

# How do you "hook into hay"?

One way with a pickup truck.
All you need is a winch, a steel bar, an short length of cable with a
loop
at each end and a ramp
1) Shove the steel bar through the center of the roll
2) hook your short cable on each of the the bar
3) hook your winch to the cable
4) roll hay wheel up ramp to back of pickup

Alternately, you can install a crane on your pickup and just lift the
bale
on the back.
http://www.google.com/search?q=pickup+truck+crane&hl=en&tbo=u&tbm=isc...

Third method, use a car transporter, drop the bed near the bales, and
daisy-chain the bales onto the bed

# How are bales left out "prior to harvesting"?
#

You're right that is a bit weak
But harvesting could also include removing it from the field
If you just cut, dry and roll it but leave it on the filed, the
"harvesting"
is only partial
The last step, moving somewhere else for storage or use is yet to be
done.

# Journalism has sunk pretty low in the USA.

Not as low as education in England, if we go by your performance.

#
#How do you shove a steel bar through the centre of a hay bale? It is
# packed almost as hard as if it were a block of timber.

Never heard of a bale spear ?

# And even if you succeeded, how would you get it out?
# I see you know as little as these journalists.

Funny how farmers have no trouble either shoving in or pulling out their
bale spears.
You have to wonder how on earth they manage to do it...

#
# They manage it because the spear is mounted on an agricultural tractor
# (front or rear).

And what makes you imagine that a relatively professional thief would NOT
get the right tools to make the job easier and quicker ?
#
# So he's going out to spend $60,000 on a tractor to steal a $60 bale of
# hay?
# Or even $20,000 used?
# Right. You must have pretty dozy crooks over there.

More likely they'll steal the machines, just like the steal the hay
They're thieves after all, you stupid limey

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Dec 6, 3:04 pm, " Attila Iskander"
wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

...
On Dec 6, 12:30 am, Dean Hoffman wrote:







On 12/5/12 1:09 AM, harry wrote:

Interesting story.
How do they load a big bale of hay weighing half a ton or more?
Why would hay be left outdoors anyway?

With something as simple as this:http://tinyurl.com/bx3zy6m
There are many loaders made for tractors, skid loaders and pickups.
It isn't at all unusual for hay to be left outside. The bales might
rot a bit on the outside but the interior is usually fine.
We used to put what we could in the barn and stack the rest just
outside the cow lot. This was in the days of the 60-80 pound
rectangular bales. We loaded, unloaded, and stacked by hand.
Ranchers in the Nebraska Sandhills used to make hay stacks with
loose hay. A single haystack hehttp://tinyurl.com/ajxoece
A bunch of pictures herehttp://tinyurl.com/cqap8tfofvarious sized
bales, hay equipment etc.

#
# Few people make small bales these days.
# Few people even make hay, they make silage.
# How do you steal a haystack of loose hay then?

Keep spinning and trying to move the goalposts
Isn't silage just one form of hay ?
And since when is the subject "haystacks"

It's a sure sign that you realize you have once again been shown to be an
ignorant idiot.
#
# The only thing silage and hay need have in common is they are both
# animal feed and both might be made of grass.

Very good harry
At least you have demonstrated that you actually know a factoid

Must be sad to need to be bitch-slapped the way you do.

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Dec 6, 8:10 pm, "Pete C." wrote:
Attila Iskander wrote:

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Dec 5, 10:48 pm, "Pete C." wrote:
chaniarts wrote:

On 12/5/2012 10:48 AM, harry wrote:
On Dec 5, 2:09 pm, " Attila Iskander"
wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

...
On Dec 5, 5:21 am, Will Rogers "W.Rogers"@Where the Wind Comes

Sweepin' Down the.Plain wrote:
Apparently, it's not enough to be thieving copper in Newark, or
looting
homes destroyed by hurricanes or forest-fire.

What could be lower than stealing hay from desperate farmers?

---------------------

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/12/...-fight-rise-in...

December 3, 2012 9:49 AM

ST. LOUIS (KMOX) - As if it s not bad enough that Missouri
farmers
are
trying to survive the worst drought in decades, now many of them
are
facing a new problem that s costing them big bucks.

Missouri Farm Bureau president Blake Hurst says thieves are
actually
targeting those big bundles of hay that are left out in fields
prior
to
being harvested, hauling them off and selling the valuable
commodity.

Of course, no one brands their hay so if you hook onto it with
your
tractor or your pickup and make it out the gate, then it s
impossible to
prove where the hay came from, Hurst said.

With winter approaching and grass dying out, the price for fresh
hay
to
feed livestock is on the rise, and Hurst says that makes
unguarded
bales
a tempting target.

Ironically, it s because of the ongoing drought that fresh hay
has
become so valuable with the winter season fast approaching.

And it s not just Missouri. This trend is happening in farm
states
across the country, so much so that some are now putting global
positioning trackers inside their bales, in case they re stolen.

#
# The more I read that story the more BS it is.
#

First, read up on why round bales have become so popular
http://pods.dasnr.okstate.edu/docushare/dsweb/Get/Document-1772/BAE-1...

# How do you "hook into hay"?

One way with a pickup truck.
All you need is a winch, a steel bar, an short length of cable
with a
loop
at each end and a ramp
1) Shove the steel bar through the center of the roll
2) hook your short cable on each of the the bar
3) hook your winch to the cable
4) roll hay wheel up ramp to back of pickup

Alternately, you can install a crane on your pickup and just lift
the
bale
on the back.
http://www.google.com/search?q=pickup+truck+crane&hl=en&tbo=u&tbm=isc...

Third method, use a car transporter, drop the bed near the bales,
and
daisy-chain the bales onto the bed

# How are bales left out "prior to harvesting"?
#

You're right that is a bit weak
But harvesting could also include removing it from the field
If you just cut, dry and roll it but leave it on the filed, the
"harvesting"
is only partial
The last step, moving somewhere else for storage or use is yet to
be
done.

# Journalism has sunk pretty low in the USA.

Not as low as education in England, if we go by your performance.

How do you shove a steel bar through the centre of a hay bale? It
is
packed almost as hard as if it were a block of timber.

And even if you succeeded, how would you get it out?
I see you know as little as these journalists.

you sharpen one end, and taper it. don't they teach thinking in
england?

They make round bale lifts to put on the back of a pickup or other
truck
that have the central bale spear and a couple side spears for
anti-rotation. A hydraulic cylinder tilts the assembly up and down.
Tilt
down, back truck into the round bale, tilt up and drive off. Takes
seconds. Reverse to deposit the bale where you want it. They sell this
equipment at pretty much every farm supply store.
#
# The bale lifts go on the front or back of an agricultural tractor
# using the hydraulics to lift.
# So it would need to be another farmer.
#
# That narrows down the suspects then a bit.

Nope, wrong again. Bale lifts for tractors are certainly available, but
the pickup lifts are extremely common. The potential suspect list is
enormous.
#
# Picture of one?

You ****ing moron
I supplied a URL just a few posts earlier it was IN YOUR RESPONSE
It's that blue thingy starting with "http" containing the words "truck"
and "crate"....

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Dec 6, 10:06 pm, wrote:
On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 1:02:27 PM UTC-5, IGot2P wrote:
Obviously, you don't have a clue. Most balers wraps the big bales with a
waterproof material so they can be left out year around. They are moved
out of the hay field but normally simply to an open area where the
livestock cannot get to them.

Most?

Hell, most farmers just leave the bales right there in the field, wide
open exposed to the weather.
#
# Only the "rich" farmers have wrappers.
#

Nah
Only the ones who consider the cost of buying the wrapper worthwile



There is some damage, but usually they just grind the whole bale up
and mix the good in with the bad and feed to the livestock anyway.
#
# How exactly do you grind up hay?
#

With a hay grinder, you ignorant twit


#
# Animals won't eat rotten hay.
#

And ?
Animals are quite capable of cherry-picking what they eat.

On Dec 7, 10:49*am, " Attila Iskander"
wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

...
On Dec 6, 10:06 pm, wrote: On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 1:02:27 PM UTC-5, IGot2P wrote:
Obviously, you don't have a clue. Most balers wraps the big bales with a
waterproof material so they can be left out year around. They are moved
out of the hay field but normally simply to an open area where the
livestock cannot get to them.

Most?

Hell, most farmers just leave the bales right there in the field, wide
open exposed to the weather.

#
# Only the "rich" farmers have wrappers.
#

Nah
* * Only the ones who consider the cost of buying the wrapper worthwile



There is some damage, but usually they just grind the whole bale up
and mix the good in with the bad and feed to the livestock anyway.

#
# How exactly do you grind up hay?
#

With a hay grinder, you ignorant twit
Picture?

On Dec 7, 10:49*am, " Attila Iskander"
wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

...
On Dec 6, 10:06 pm, wrote: On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 1:02:27 PM UTC-5, IGot2P wrote:
Obviously, you don't have a clue. Most balers wraps the big bales with a
waterproof material so they can be left out year around. They are moved
out of the hay field but normally simply to an open area where the
livestock cannot get to them.

Most?

Hell, most farmers just leave the bales right there in the field, wide
open exposed to the weather.

#
# Only the "rich" farmers have wrappers.
#

Nah
* * Only the ones who consider the cost of buying the wrapper worthwile



There is some damage, but usually they just grind the whole bale up
and mix the good in with the bad and feed to the livestock anyway.

#
# How exactly do you grind up hay?
#

With a hay grinder, you ignorant twit

#
# Animals won't eat rotten hay.
#

And ?
Animals are quite capable of cherry-picking what they eat.

One purpose of grinding is to prevent them from cherry picking. Not to
feed rotten hay
http://www.rotogrind.com/advantages_1.html

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Dec 7, 10:49 am, " Attila Iskander"
wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

...
On Dec 6, 10:06 pm, wrote: On Wednesday, December
5, 2012 1:02:27 PM UTC-5, IGot2P wrote:
Obviously, you don't have a clue. Most balers wraps the big bales with
a
waterproof material so they can be left out year around. They are
moved
out of the hay field but normally simply to an open area where the
livestock cannot get to them.

Most?

Hell, most farmers just leave the bales right there in the field, wide
open exposed to the weather.

#
# Only the "rich" farmers have wrappers.
#

Nah
Only the ones who consider the cost of buying the wrapper worthwile



There is some damage, but usually they just grind the whole bale up
and mix the good in with the bad and feed to the livestock anyway.

#
# How exactly do you grind up hay?
#

With a hay grinder, you ignorant twit
#
# Picture?

What ?
You're too ****ing stupid and or lazy to do a Google for "hay grinder"

On Dec 7, 12:52*am, gregz wrote:
harry wrote:
On Dec 5, 2:21 pm, Home Guy wrote:
Bob F wrote:
The more I read that story the more BS it is.

How do you "hook into hay"?
How are bales left out "prior to harvesting"?

Journalism has sunk pretty low in the USA.

Ever drive past hayfields? I see bales all over them at times,
with nobody in sight.

Harry (being in the UK) is not familiar with the size and scale of farm
fields here in north america.

I know they are moved under cover as soon as possible to keep them dry.

I caught one getting away.

http://zekfrivolous.com/trail/gotem.JPG

Greg

Obviously legitimate. The point is where would crooks get access to
machinery to handle a bale like this?

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Dec 7, 12:52 am, gregz wrote:
harry wrote:
On Dec 5, 2:21 pm, Home Guy wrote:
Bob F wrote:
The more I read that story the more BS it is.

How do you "hook into hay"?
How are bales left out "prior to harvesting"?

Journalism has sunk pretty low in the USA.

Ever drive past hayfields? I see bales all over them at times,
with nobody in sight.

Harry (being in the UK) is not familiar with the size and scale of farm
fields here in north america.

I know they are moved under cover as soon as possible to keep them dry.

I caught one getting away.

http://zekfrivolous.com/trail/gotem.JPG

Greg
#
# Obviously legitimate. The point is where would crooks get access to
# machinery to handle a bale like this?

Same place anyone else would
With the added advantage that they could steal that too.

On 12/8/12 1:39 AM, harry wrote:

Obviously legitimate. The point is where would crooks get access to
machinery to handle a bale like this?
u
You make it sound like bale handling requires some exotic
equipment. Farmers steal for one thing. The brother of one of my
high school classmates turned out to be a crook. He spent a couple
years in prison if I remember right.
A skid loader with boom forks would load a bale into a pickup.
I've seen home made versions of the towable bale hauler I linked to a
couple days ago. Rental places have equipment that would load bales.
Construction crews have equipment that would load bales. This
equipment isn't anything special in rural areas.
It used to be that tractor keys would fit a particular tractor
series. The 94 series of the old Case brand tractors would all use the
same key for example. A thief could use the farmer's own equipment to
load their loot. Ebay has keys for sale. One could walk into a
tractor dealership and buy one.
The guys who haul hay could steal a couple extra bales and mix them
in with their legitimate load.
Alfalfa is going for over $200 per ton. Corn stover is going for
over $70/ton. Prices are FOB, freight on buyer.
Link he http://tinyurl.com/asod747