Apparently, it's not enough to be thieving copper in Newark, or looting
homes destroyed by hurricanes or forest-fire.

What could be lower than stealing hay from desperate farmers?

---------------------

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/12/...in-hay-thefts/

December 3, 2012 9:49 AM

ST. LOUIS (KMOX) - As if it’s not bad enough that Missouri farmers are
trying to survive the worst drought in decades, now many of them are
facing a new problem that’s costing them big bucks.

Missouri Farm Bureau president Blake Hurst says thieves are actually
targeting those big bundles of hay that are left out in fields prior to
being harvested, hauling them off and selling the valuable commodity.

“Of course, no one brands their hay so if you hook onto it with your
tractor or your pickup and make it out the gate, then it’s impossible to
prove where the hay came from,” Hurst said.

With winter approaching and grass dying out, the price for fresh hay to
feed livestock is on the rise, and Hurst says that makes unguarded bales
a tempting target.

Ironically, it’s because of the ongoing drought that fresh hay has
become so valuable with the winter season fast approaching.

And it’s not just Missouri. This trend is happening in farm states
across the country, so much so that some are now putting global
positioning trackers inside their bales, in case they’re stolen.

On Dec 5, 5:21*am, Will Rogers "W.Rogers"@Where the Wind Comes
Sweepin' Down the.Plain wrote:
Apparently, it's not enough to be thieving copper in Newark, or looting
homes destroyed by hurricanes or forest-fire.

What could be lower than stealing hay from desperate farmers?

---------------------

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/12/...-fight-rise-in...

December 3, 2012 9:49 AM

ST. LOUIS (KMOX) - As if it s not bad enough that Missouri farmers are
trying to survive the worst drought in decades, now many of them are
facing a new problem that s costing them big bucks.

Missouri Farm Bureau president Blake Hurst says thieves are actually
targeting those big bundles of hay that are left out in fields prior to
being harvested, hauling them off and selling the valuable commodity.

Of course, no one brands their hay so if you hook onto it with your
tractor or your pickup and make it out the gate, then it s impossible to
prove where the hay came from, Hurst said.

With winter approaching and grass dying out, the price for fresh hay to
feed livestock is on the rise, and Hurst says that makes unguarded bales
a tempting target.

Ironically, it s because of the ongoing drought that fresh hay has
become so valuable with the winter season fast approaching.

And it s not just Missouri. This trend is happening in farm states
across the country, so much so that some are now putting global
positioning trackers inside their bales, in case they re stolen.

Interesting story.
How do they load a big bale of hay weighing half a ton or more?
Why would hay be left outdoors anyway?

On Dec 5, 5:21*am, Will Rogers "W.Rogers"@Where the Wind Comes
Sweepin' Down the.Plain wrote:
Apparently, it's not enough to be thieving copper in Newark, or looting
homes destroyed by hurricanes or forest-fire.

What could be lower than stealing hay from desperate farmers?

---------------------

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/12/...-fight-rise-in...

December 3, 2012 9:49 AM

ST. LOUIS (KMOX) - As if it s not bad enough that Missouri farmers are
trying to survive the worst drought in decades, now many of them are
facing a new problem that s costing them big bucks.

Missouri Farm Bureau president Blake Hurst says thieves are actually
targeting those big bundles of hay that are left out in fields prior to
being harvested, hauling them off and selling the valuable commodity.

Of course, no one brands their hay so if you hook onto it with your
tractor or your pickup and make it out the gate, then it s impossible to
prove where the hay came from, Hurst said.

With winter approaching and grass dying out, the price for fresh hay to
feed livestock is on the rise, and Hurst says that makes unguarded bales
a tempting target.

Ironically, it s because of the ongoing drought that fresh hay has
become so valuable with the winter season fast approaching.

And it s not just Missouri. This trend is happening in farm states
across the country, so much so that some are now putting global
positioning trackers inside their bales, in case they re stolen.

The more I read that story the more BS it is.

How do you "hook into hay"?
How are bales left out "prior to harvesting"?

Journalism has sunk pretty low in the USA.

harry wrote:
The more I read that story the more BS it is.

How do you "hook into hay"?
How are bales left out "prior to harvesting"?

Journalism has sunk pretty low in the USA.

Ever drive past hayfields? I see bales all over them at times, with nobody in
sight.

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Dec 5, 5:21 am, Will Rogers "W.Rogers"@Where the Wind Comes
Sweepin' Down the.Plain wrote:
Apparently, it's not enough to be thieving copper in Newark, or looting
homes destroyed by hurricanes or forest-fire.

What could be lower than stealing hay from desperate farmers?

---------------------

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/12/...-fight-rise-in...

December 3, 2012 9:49 AM

ST. LOUIS (KMOX) - As if it s not bad enough that Missouri farmers are
trying to survive the worst drought in decades, now many of them are
facing a new problem that s costing them big bucks.

Missouri Farm Bureau president Blake Hurst says thieves are actually
targeting those big bundles of hay that are left out in fields prior to
being harvested, hauling them off and selling the valuable commodity.

Of course, no one brands their hay so if you hook onto it with your
tractor or your pickup and make it out the gate, then it s impossible to
prove where the hay came from, Hurst said.

With winter approaching and grass dying out, the price for fresh hay to
feed livestock is on the rise, and Hurst says that makes unguarded bales
a tempting target.

Ironically, it s because of the ongoing drought that fresh hay has
become so valuable with the winter season fast approaching.

And it s not just Missouri. This trend is happening in farm states
across the country, so much so that some are now putting global
positioning trackers inside their bales, in case they re stolen.
#
# The more I read that story the more BS it is.
#

First, read up on why round bales have become so popular
http://pods.dasnr.okstate.edu/docushare/dsweb/Get/Document-1772/BAE-1716web.pdf

# How do you "hook into hay"?


One way with a pickup truck.
All you need is a winch, a steel bar, an short length of cable with a loop
at each end and a ramp
1) Shove the steel bar through the center of the roll
2) hook your short cable on each of the the bar
3) hook your winch to the cable
4) roll hay wheel up ramp to back of pickup

Alternately, you can install a crane on your pickup and just lift the bale
on the back.

http://www.google.com/search?q=pickup+truck+crane&hl=en&tbo=u&tbm=isch&s ource=univ&sa=X&ei=FFO_UN6BKqnwyQGH0oCgAQ&sqi=2&ve d=0CGIQsAQ&biw=1062&bih=731

Third method, use a car transporter, drop the bed near the bales, and
daisy-chain the bales onto the bed


# How are bales left out "prior to harvesting"?
#

You're right that is a bit weak
But harvesting could also include removing it from the field
If you just cut, dry and roll it but leave it on the filed, the "harvesting"
is only partial
The last step, moving somewhere else for storage or use is yet to be done.




# Journalism has sunk pretty low in the USA.

Not as low as education in England, if we go by your performance.

Bob F wrote:

The more I read that story the more BS it is.

How do you "hook into hay"?
How are bales left out "prior to harvesting"?

Journalism has sunk pretty low in the USA.

Ever drive past hayfields? I see bales all over them at times,
with nobody in sight.

Harry (being in the UK) is not familiar with the size and scale of farm
fields here in north america.

On Dec 5, 2:21*pm, Home Guy wrote:
Bob F wrote:
The more I read that story the more BS it is.

How do you "hook into hay"?
How are bales left out "prior to harvesting"?

Journalism has sunk pretty low in the USA.

Ever drive past hayfields? I see bales all over them at times,
with nobody in sight.

Harry (being in the UK) is not familiar with the size and scale of farm
fields here in north america.

I know they are moved under cover as soon as possible to keep them dry.

On Dec 5, 2:09*pm, " Attila Iskander"
wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

...
On Dec 5, 5:21 am, Will Rogers "W.Rogers"@Where the Wind Comes







Sweepin' Down the.Plain wrote:
Apparently, it's not enough to be thieving copper in Newark, or looting
homes destroyed by hurricanes or forest-fire.

What could be lower than stealing hay from desperate farmers?

---------------------

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/12/...-fight-rise-in...

December 3, 2012 9:49 AM

ST. LOUIS (KMOX) - As if it s not bad enough that Missouri farmers are
trying to survive the worst drought in decades, now many of them are
facing a new problem that s costing them big bucks.

Missouri Farm Bureau president Blake Hurst says thieves are actually
targeting those big bundles of hay that are left out in fields prior to
being harvested, hauling them off and selling the valuable commodity.

Of course, no one brands their hay so if you hook onto it with your
tractor or your pickup and make it out the gate, then it s impossible to
prove where the hay came from, Hurst said.

With winter approaching and grass dying out, the price for fresh hay to
feed livestock is on the rise, and Hurst says that makes unguarded bales
a tempting target.

Ironically, it s because of the ongoing drought that fresh hay has
become so valuable with the winter season fast approaching.

And it s not just Missouri. This trend is happening in farm states
across the country, so much so that some are now putting global
positioning trackers inside their bales, in case they re stolen.

#
# The more I read that story the more BS it is.
#

First, read up on why round bales have become so popular
* * http://pods.dasnr.okstate.edu/docushare/dsweb/Get/Document-1772/BAE-1...

# How do you "hook into hay"?

One way with a pickup truck.
All you need is a winch, a steel bar, an short length of cable with a loop
at each end and a ramp
1) * *Shove the steel bar through the center of the roll
2) * *hook your short cable on each of the the bar
3) * *hook your winch to the cable
4) * *roll hay wheel up ramp to back of pickup

Alternately, you can install a crane on your pickup and just lift the bale
on the back.
* *http://www.google.com/search?q=pickup+truck+crane&hl=en&tbo=u&tbm=isc...

Third method, use a car transporter, drop the bed near the bales, and
daisy-chain the bales onto the bed

# How are bales left out "prior to harvesting"?
#

You're right that is a bit weak
But harvesting could also include removing it from the field
If you just cut, dry and roll it but leave it on the filed, the "harvesting"
is only partial
The last step, moving somewhere else for storage or use is yet to be done..

# Journalism has sunk pretty low in the USA.

Not as low as education in England, if we go by your performance.

How do you shove a steel bar through the centre of a hay bale? It is
packed almost as hard as if it were a block of timber.
And even if you succeeded, how would you get it out?
I see you know as little as these journalists.

On 12/5/2012 11:45 AM, harry wrote:
On Dec 5, 2:21 pm, Home Guy wrote:
Bob F wrote:
The more I read that story the more BS it is.

How do you "hook into hay"?
How are bales left out "prior to harvesting"?

Journalism has sunk pretty low in the USA.

Ever drive past hayfields? I see bales all over them at times,
with nobody in sight.

Harry (being in the UK) is not familiar with the size and scale of farm
fields here in north america.

I know they are moved under cover as soon as possible to keep them dry.


Obviously, you don't have a clue. Most balers wraps the big bales with a
waterproof material so they can be left out year around. They are moved
out of the hay field but normally simply to an open area where the
livestock cannot get to them.

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Dec 5, 2:21 pm, Home Guy wrote:
Bob F wrote:
The more I read that story the more BS it is.

How do you "hook into hay"?
How are bales left out "prior to harvesting"?

Journalism has sunk pretty low in the USA.

Ever drive past hayfields? I see bales all over them at times,
with nobody in sight.

Harry (being in the UK) is not familiar with the size and scale of farm
fields here in north america.
#
# I know they are moved under cover as soon as possible to keep them dry.
#

Bud do you know if they go to the cover or the cover comes to them
http://www.farmtek.com/farm/supplies/prod1;FarmTek_new_products;pg111193

You keep reminding me of Ronald Reagan's aphorism
"it's not that our friends on the left are ignorant.
It's just that so much of what they know is wrong.."

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Dec 5, 2:09 pm, " Attila Iskander"
wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

...
On Dec 5, 5:21 am, Will Rogers "W.Rogers"@Where the Wind Comes







Sweepin' Down the.Plain wrote:
Apparently, it's not enough to be thieving copper in Newark, or looting
homes destroyed by hurricanes or forest-fire.

What could be lower than stealing hay from desperate farmers?

---------------------

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/12/...-fight-rise-in...

December 3, 2012 9:49 AM

ST. LOUIS (KMOX) - As if it s not bad enough that Missouri farmers are
trying to survive the worst drought in decades, now many of them are
facing a new problem that s costing them big bucks.

Missouri Farm Bureau president Blake Hurst says thieves are actually
targeting those big bundles of hay that are left out in fields prior to
being harvested, hauling them off and selling the valuable commodity.

Of course, no one brands their hay so if you hook onto it with your
tractor or your pickup and make it out the gate, then it s impossible to
prove where the hay came from, Hurst said.

With winter approaching and grass dying out, the price for fresh hay to
feed livestock is on the rise, and Hurst says that makes unguarded bales
a tempting target.

Ironically, it s because of the ongoing drought that fresh hay has
become so valuable with the winter season fast approaching.

And it s not just Missouri. This trend is happening in farm states
across the country, so much so that some are now putting global
positioning trackers inside their bales, in case they re stolen.

#
# The more I read that story the more BS it is.
#

First, read up on why round bales have become so popular
http://pods.dasnr.okstate.edu/docushare/dsweb/Get/Document-1772/BAE-1...

# How do you "hook into hay"?

One way with a pickup truck.
All you need is a winch, a steel bar, an short length of cable with a loop
at each end and a ramp
1) Shove the steel bar through the center of the roll
2) hook your short cable on each of the the bar
3) hook your winch to the cable
4) roll hay wheel up ramp to back of pickup

Alternately, you can install a crane on your pickup and just lift the bale
on the back.
http://www.google.com/search?q=pickup+truck+crane&hl=en&tbo=u&tbm=isc...

Third method, use a car transporter, drop the bed near the bales, and
daisy-chain the bales onto the bed

# How are bales left out "prior to harvesting"?
#

You're right that is a bit weak
But harvesting could also include removing it from the field
If you just cut, dry and roll it but leave it on the filed, the
"harvesting"
is only partial
The last step, moving somewhere else for storage or use is yet to be done.

# Journalism has sunk pretty low in the USA.

Not as low as education in England, if we go by your performance.
#
#How do you shove a steel bar through the centre of a hay bale? It is
# packed almost as hard as if it were a block of timber.

Never heard of a bale spear ?


# And even if you succeeded, how would you get it out?
# I see you know as little as these journalists.

Funny how farmers have no trouble either shoving in or pulling out their
bale spears.
You have to wonder how on earth they manage to do it...

"IGot2P" wrote in message
...
On 12/5/2012 11:45 AM, harry wrote:
On Dec 5, 2:21 pm, Home Guy wrote:
Bob F wrote:
The more I read that story the more BS it is.

How do you "hook into hay"?
How are bales left out "prior to harvesting"?

Journalism has sunk pretty low in the USA.

Ever drive past hayfields? I see bales all over them at times,
with nobody in sight.

Harry (being in the UK) is not familiar with the size and scale of farm
fields here in north america.

I know they are moved under cover as soon as possible to keep them dry.


Obviously, you don't have a clue.


With harry, that's a certainty


Most balers wraps the big bales with a waterproof material so they can be
left out year around. They are moved out of the hay field but normally
simply to an open area where the livestock cannot get to them.

On 12/5/2012 10:48 AM, harry wrote:
On Dec 5, 2:09 pm, " Attila Iskander"
wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

...
On Dec 5, 5:21 am, Will Rogers "W.Rogers"@Where the Wind Comes







Sweepin' Down the.Plain wrote:
Apparently, it's not enough to be thieving copper in Newark, or looting
homes destroyed by hurricanes or forest-fire.

What could be lower than stealing hay from desperate farmers?

---------------------

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/12/...-fight-rise-in...

December 3, 2012 9:49 AM

ST. LOUIS (KMOX) - As if it s not bad enough that Missouri farmers are
trying to survive the worst drought in decades, now many of them are
facing a new problem that s costing them big bucks.

Missouri Farm Bureau president Blake Hurst says thieves are actually
targeting those big bundles of hay that are left out in fields prior to
being harvested, hauling them off and selling the valuable commodity.

Of course, no one brands their hay so if you hook onto it with your
tractor or your pickup and make it out the gate, then it s impossible to
prove where the hay came from, Hurst said.

With winter approaching and grass dying out, the price for fresh hay to
feed livestock is on the rise, and Hurst says that makes unguarded bales
a tempting target.

Ironically, it s because of the ongoing drought that fresh hay has
become so valuable with the winter season fast approaching.

And it s not just Missouri. This trend is happening in farm states
across the country, so much so that some are now putting global
positioning trackers inside their bales, in case they re stolen.

#
# The more I read that story the more BS it is.
#

First, read up on why round bales have become so popular
http://pods.dasnr.okstate.edu/docushare/dsweb/Get/Document-1772/BAE-1...

# How do you "hook into hay"?

One way with a pickup truck.
All you need is a winch, a steel bar, an short length of cable with a loop
at each end and a ramp
1) Shove the steel bar through the center of the roll
2) hook your short cable on each of the the bar
3) hook your winch to the cable
4) roll hay wheel up ramp to back of pickup

Alternately, you can install a crane on your pickup and just lift the bale
on the back.
http://www.google.com/search?q=pickup+truck+crane&hl=en&tbo=u&tbm=isc...

Third method, use a car transporter, drop the bed near the bales, and
daisy-chain the bales onto the bed

# How are bales left out "prior to harvesting"?
#

You're right that is a bit weak
But harvesting could also include removing it from the field
If you just cut, dry and roll it but leave it on the filed, the "harvesting"
is only partial
The last step, moving somewhere else for storage or use is yet to be done.

# Journalism has sunk pretty low in the USA.

Not as low as education in England, if we go by your performance.

How do you shove a steel bar through the centre of a hay bale? It is
packed almost as hard as if it were a block of timber.
And even if you succeeded, how would you get it out?
I see you know as little as these journalists.


you sharpen one end, and taper it. don't they teach thinking in england?

On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 10:48:44 AM UTC-7, harry wrote:
On Dec 5, 2:09*pm, " Attila Iskander"

wrote:

"harry" wrote in message



....

On Dec 5, 5:21 am, Will Rogers "W.Rogers"@Where the Wind Comes















Sweepin' Down the.Plain wrote:

Apparently, it's not enough to be thieving copper in Newark, or looting

homes destroyed by hurricanes or forest-fire.



What could be lower than stealing hay from desperate farmers?



---------------------



http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/12/...-fight-rise-in....



December 3, 2012 9:49 AM



ST. LOUIS (KMOX) - As if it s not bad enough that Missouri farmers are

trying to survive the worst drought in decades, now many of them are

facing a new problem that s costing them big bucks.



Missouri Farm Bureau president Blake Hurst says thieves are actually

targeting those big bundles of hay that are left out in fields prior to

being harvested, hauling them off and selling the valuable commodity.



Of course, no one brands their hay so if you hook onto it with your

tractor or your pickup and make it out the gate, then it s impossible to

prove where the hay came from, Hurst said.



With winter approaching and grass dying out, the price for fresh hay to

feed livestock is on the rise, and Hurst says that makes unguarded bales

a tempting target.



Ironically, it s because of the ongoing drought that fresh hay has

become so valuable with the winter season fast approaching.



And it s not just Missouri. This trend is happening in farm states

across the country, so much so that some are now putting global

positioning trackers inside their bales, in case they re stolen.



#

# The more I read that story the more BS it is.

#



First, read up on why round bales have become so popular

* * http://pods.dasnr.okstate.edu/docushare/dsweb/Get/Document-1772/BAE-1...



# How do you "hook into hay"?



One way with a pickup truck.

All you need is a winch, a steel bar, an short length of cable with a loop

at each end and a ramp

1) * *Shove the steel bar through the center of the roll

2) * *hook your short cable on each of the the bar

3) * *hook your winch to the cable

4) * *roll hay wheel up ramp to back of pickup



Alternately, you can install a crane on your pickup and just lift the bale

on the back.

* *http://www.google.com/search?q=pickup+truck+crane&hl=en&tbo=u&tbm=isc...



Third method, use a car transporter, drop the bed near the bales, and

daisy-chain the bales onto the bed



# How are bales left out "prior to harvesting"?

#



You're right that is a bit weak

But harvesting could also include removing it from the field

If you just cut, dry and roll it but leave it on the filed, the "harvesting"

is only partial

The last step, moving somewhere else for storage or use is yet to be done.



# Journalism has sunk pretty low in the USA.



Not as low as education in England, if we go by your performance.



How do you shove a steel bar through the centre of a hay bale? It is

packed almost as hard as if it were a block of timber.

And even if you succeeded, how would you get it out?

I see you know as little as these journalists.

Face it Harry...you are dumber than a post. I can see that your education has
been incomplete at best.

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Dec 5, 2:21 pm, Home Guy wrote:
Bob F wrote:
The more I read that story the more BS it is.

How do you "hook into hay"?
How are bales left out "prior to harvesting"?

Journalism has sunk pretty low in the USA.

Ever drive past hayfields? I see bales all over them at times,
with nobody in sight.

Harry (being in the UK) is not familiar with the size and scale of farm
fields here in north america.

I know they are moved under cover as soon as possible to keep them dry.

{{

Rolled bales are often covered with sheet plastic and left in the fields for
extended periods. At least in the fields here in N. Texas. (been a bit dry
here abouts over the past several years so that may have something to do
with the practice)

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Dec 5, 2:09 pm, " Attila Iskander"
wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

...
On Dec 5, 5:21 am, Will Rogers "W.Rogers"@Where the Wind Comes







Sweepin' Down the.Plain wrote:
Apparently, it's not enough to be thieving copper in Newark, or looting
homes destroyed by hurricanes or forest-fire.

What could be lower than stealing hay from desperate farmers?

---------------------

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/12/...-fight-rise-in...

December 3, 2012 9:49 AM

ST. LOUIS (KMOX) - As if it s not bad enough that Missouri farmers are
trying to survive the worst drought in decades, now many of them are
facing a new problem that s costing them big bucks.

Missouri Farm Bureau president Blake Hurst says thieves are actually
targeting those big bundles of hay that are left out in fields prior to
being harvested, hauling them off and selling the valuable commodity.

Of course, no one brands their hay so if you hook onto it with your
tractor or your pickup and make it out the gate, then it s impossible to
prove where the hay came from, Hurst said.

With winter approaching and grass dying out, the price for fresh hay to
feed livestock is on the rise, and Hurst says that makes unguarded bales
a tempting target.

Ironically, it s because of the ongoing drought that fresh hay has
become so valuable with the winter season fast approaching.

And it s not just Missouri. This trend is happening in farm states
across the country, so much so that some are now putting global
positioning trackers inside their bales, in case they re stolen.

#
# The more I read that story the more BS it is.
#

First, read up on why round bales have become so popular
http://pods.dasnr.okstate.edu/docushare/dsweb/Get/Document-1772/BAE-1...

# How do you "hook into hay"?

One way with a pickup truck.
All you need is a winch, a steel bar, an short length of cable with a loop
at each end and a ramp
1) Shove the steel bar through the center of the roll
2) hook your short cable on each of the the bar
3) hook your winch to the cable
4) roll hay wheel up ramp to back of pickup

Alternately, you can install a crane on your pickup and just lift the bale
on the back.
http://www.google.com/search?q=pickup+truck+crane&hl=en&tbo=u&tbm=isc...

Third method, use a car transporter, drop the bed near the bales, and
daisy-chain the bales onto the bed

# How are bales left out "prior to harvesting"?
#

You're right that is a bit weak
But harvesting could also include removing it from the field
If you just cut, dry and roll it but leave it on the filed, the
"harvesting"
is only partial
The last step, moving somewhere else for storage or use is yet to be done.

# Journalism has sunk pretty low in the USA.

Not as low as education in England, if we go by your performance.

How do you shove a steel bar through the centre of a hay bale? It is
packed almost as hard as if it were a block of timber.
And even if you succeeded, how would you get it out?
I see you know as little as these journalists.

{{

Apply sufficient force (does not take much) for both operations. (not a
journalists but one who, a long time back, worked for chump change shoveling
horse sh|t and wrestling hay in and out of trucks/flat bed trailers.)

"chaniarts" wrote in message
...
On 12/5/2012 10:48 AM, harry wrote:
On Dec 5, 2:09 pm, " Attila Iskander"
wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

...
On Dec 5, 5:21 am, Will Rogers "W.Rogers"@Where the Wind Comes







Sweepin' Down the.Plain wrote:
Apparently, it's not enough to be thieving copper in Newark, or looting
homes destroyed by hurricanes or forest-fire.

What could be lower than stealing hay from desperate farmers?

---------------------

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/12/...-fight-rise-in...

December 3, 2012 9:49 AM

ST. LOUIS (KMOX) - As if it s not bad enough that Missouri farmers are
trying to survive the worst drought in decades, now many of them are
facing a new problem that s costing them big bucks.

Missouri Farm Bureau president Blake Hurst says thieves are actually
targeting those big bundles of hay that are left out in fields prior to
being harvested, hauling them off and selling the valuable commodity.

Of course, no one brands their hay so if you hook onto it with your
tractor or your pickup and make it out the gate, then it s impossible
to
prove where the hay came from, Hurst said.

With winter approaching and grass dying out, the price for fresh hay to
feed livestock is on the rise, and Hurst says that makes unguarded
bales
a tempting target.

Ironically, it s because of the ongoing drought that fresh hay has
become so valuable with the winter season fast approaching.

And it s not just Missouri. This trend is happening in farm states
across the country, so much so that some are now putting global
positioning trackers inside their bales, in case they re stolen.

#
# The more I read that story the more BS it is.
#

First, read up on why round bales have become so popular

http://pods.dasnr.okstate.edu/docushare/dsweb/Get/Document-1772/BAE-1...

# How do you "hook into hay"?

One way with a pickup truck.
All you need is a winch, a steel bar, an short length of cable with a
loop
at each end and a ramp
1) Shove the steel bar through the center of the roll
2) hook your short cable on each of the the bar
3) hook your winch to the cable
4) roll hay wheel up ramp to back of pickup

Alternately, you can install a crane on your pickup and just lift the
bale
on the back.

http://www.google.com/search?q=pickup+truck+crane&hl=en&tbo=u&tbm=isc...

Third method, use a car transporter, drop the bed near the bales, and
daisy-chain the bales onto the bed

# How are bales left out "prior to harvesting"?
#

You're right that is a bit weak
But harvesting could also include removing it from the field
If you just cut, dry and roll it but leave it on the filed, the
"harvesting"
is only partial
The last step, moving somewhere else for storage or use is yet to be
done.

# Journalism has sunk pretty low in the USA.

Not as low as education in England, if we go by your performance.

How do you shove a steel bar through the centre of a hay bale? It is
packed almost as hard as if it were a block of timber.
And even if you succeeded, how would you get it out?
I see you know as little as these journalists.


you sharpen one end, and taper it. don't they teach thinking in england?

Apparently not !

"Roy" wrote in message
...
On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 10:48:44 AM UTC-7, harry wrote:
On Dec 5, 2:09 pm, " Attila Iskander"

wrote:

"harry" wrote in message



...

On Dec 5, 5:21 am, Will Rogers "W.Rogers"@Where the Wind Comes















Sweepin' Down the.Plain wrote:

Apparently, it's not enough to be thieving copper in Newark, or
looting

homes destroyed by hurricanes or forest-fire.



What could be lower than stealing hay from desperate farmers?



---------------------



http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/12/...-fight-rise-in...



December 3, 2012 9:49 AM



ST. LOUIS (KMOX) - As if it s not bad enough that Missouri farmers are

trying to survive the worst drought in decades, now many of them are

facing a new problem that s costing them big bucks.



Missouri Farm Bureau president Blake Hurst says thieves are actually

targeting those big bundles of hay that are left out in fields prior
to

being harvested, hauling them off and selling the valuable commodity.



Of course, no one brands their hay so if you hook onto it with your

tractor or your pickup and make it out the gate, then it s impossible
to

prove where the hay came from, Hurst said.



With winter approaching and grass dying out, the price for fresh hay
to

feed livestock is on the rise, and Hurst says that makes unguarded
bales

a tempting target.



Ironically, it s because of the ongoing drought that fresh hay has

become so valuable with the winter season fast approaching.



And it s not just Missouri. This trend is happening in farm states

across the country, so much so that some are now putting global

positioning trackers inside their bales, in case they re stolen.



#

# The more I read that story the more BS it is.

#



First, read up on why round bales have become so popular

http://pods.dasnr.okstate.edu/docushare/dsweb/Get/Document-1772/BAE-1...



# How do you "hook into hay"?



One way with a pickup truck.

All you need is a winch, a steel bar, an short length of cable with a
loop

at each end and a ramp

1) Shove the steel bar through the center of the roll

2) hook your short cable on each of the the bar

3) hook your winch to the cable

4) roll hay wheel up ramp to back of pickup



Alternately, you can install a crane on your pickup and just lift the
bale

on the back.

http://www.google.com/search?q=pickup+truck+crane&hl=en&tbo=u&tbm=isc...



Third method, use a car transporter, drop the bed near the bales, and

daisy-chain the bales onto the bed



# How are bales left out "prior to harvesting"?

#



You're right that is a bit weak

But harvesting could also include removing it from the field

If you just cut, dry and roll it but leave it on the filed, the
"harvesting"

is only partial

The last step, moving somewhere else for storage or use is yet to be
done.



# Journalism has sunk pretty low in the USA.



Not as low as education in England, if we go by your performance.



How do you shove a steel bar through the centre of a hay bale? It is

packed almost as hard as if it were a block of timber.

And even if you succeeded, how would you get it out?

I see you know as little as these journalists.
#
# Face it Harry...you are dumber than a post. I can see that your education
has
# been incomplete at best.

Do you think he can sue his schools and other branches of the educational
system for non-performance ?
If he can, he should
I'm even willing to provide testimony if required.

On Dec 5, 12:35*pm, "NotMe" wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

...
On Dec 5, 2:09 pm, " Attila Iskander"
wrote:





"harry" wrote in message

...
On Dec 5, 5:21 am, Will Rogers "W.Rogers"@Where the Wind Comes

Sweepin' Down the.Plain wrote:
Apparently, it's not enough to be thieving copper in Newark, or looting
homes destroyed by hurricanes or forest-fire.

What could be lower than stealing hay from desperate farmers?

---------------------

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/12/...-fight-rise-in....

December 3, 2012 9:49 AM

ST. LOUIS (KMOX) - As if it s not bad enough that Missouri farmers are
trying to survive the worst drought in decades, now many of them are
facing a new problem that s costing them big bucks.

Missouri Farm Bureau president Blake Hurst says thieves are actually
targeting those big bundles of hay that are left out in fields prior to
being harvested, hauling them off and selling the valuable commodity.

Of course, no one brands their hay so if you hook onto it with your
tractor or your pickup and make it out the gate, then it s impossible to
prove where the hay came from, Hurst said.

With winter approaching and grass dying out, the price for fresh hay to
feed livestock is on the rise, and Hurst says that makes unguarded bales
a tempting target.

Ironically, it s because of the ongoing drought that fresh hay has
become so valuable with the winter season fast approaching.

And it s not just Missouri. This trend is happening in farm states
across the country, so much so that some are now putting global
positioning trackers inside their bales, in case they re stolen.

#
# The more I read that story the more BS it is.
#

First, read up on why round bales have become so popular
http://pods.dasnr.okstate.edu/docushare/dsweb/Get/Document-1772/BAE-1....

# How do you "hook into hay"?

One way with a pickup truck.
All you need is a winch, a steel bar, an short length of cable with a loop
at each end and a ramp
1) Shove the steel bar through the center of the roll
2) hook your short cable on each of the the bar
3) hook your winch to the cable
4) roll hay wheel up ramp to back of pickup

Alternately, you can install a crane on your pickup and just lift the bale
on the back.
http://www.google.com/search?q=pickup+truck+crane&hl=en&tbo=u&tbm=isc...

Third method, use a car transporter, drop the bed near the bales, and
daisy-chain the bales onto the bed

# How are bales left out "prior to harvesting"?
#

You're right that is a bit weak
But harvesting could also include removing it from the field
If you just cut, dry and roll it but leave it on the filed, the
"harvesting"
is only partial
The last step, moving somewhere else for storage or use is yet to be done.

# Journalism has sunk pretty low in the USA.

Not as low as education in England, if we go by your performance.

How do you shove a steel bar through the centre of a hay bale? *It is
packed almost as hard as if it were a block of timber.
And even if you succeeded, how would you get it out?
I see you know as little as these journalists.

{{

Apply sufficient force (does not take much) for both operations. *(not a
journalists but one who, a long time back, worked for chump change shoveling
horse sh|t and wrestling hay in and out of trucks/flat bed trailers.)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

For those that don't know much about how hay is processed, here is a
brief rundown of the tasks involved.
1. Once the grass grows to a significant height, a tractor with a
mowing attachment mows the field, leaving the grass cutting on the
ground.
2. After a period of drying time (we used to wait a day or two), a
tractor with a raking attachment goes over the cut grass and rakes the
hay into rows.
3. Then a tractor with a baling attachment goes over each row and
gathers the hays to put into bales of hay. These bales can be round
cylinders or rectangle blocks, as well as fairly small (50-100 Lbs) to
very large 1000+ LBs bales.
4. The bales can be left in the hay field, but most farmers move the
bales into a barn for storage, or into an outside area that livestock
doesn't have access to. This is to allow the hay fields to grow
back. The actually moving of the bales, if small in size, can be done
by hand using a flat-bed trailer and pickup truck. The larger bales
are usually moved via a tractor witha pole attachment.

It wouldn't be much of an effort for someone in a pickup hauling a
large flat-bed trailer with a tractor on the it to steal the hay.
Just pull up to a pasture where the hay is located, drive the tractor
off the trailer, pick up a few bales of hay and stack them on the
trailor, drive the tractor back onto the trailer, and then drive the
pickup away.

chaniarts wrote:

On 12/5/2012 10:48 AM, harry wrote:
On Dec 5, 2:09 pm, " Attila Iskander"
wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

...
On Dec 5, 5:21 am, Will Rogers "W.Rogers"@Where the Wind Comes







Sweepin' Down the.Plain wrote:
Apparently, it's not enough to be thieving copper in Newark, or looting
homes destroyed by hurricanes or forest-fire.

What could be lower than stealing hay from desperate farmers?

---------------------

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/12/...-fight-rise-in...

December 3, 2012 9:49 AM

ST. LOUIS (KMOX) - As if it s not bad enough that Missouri farmers are
trying to survive the worst drought in decades, now many of them are
facing a new problem that s costing them big bucks.

Missouri Farm Bureau president Blake Hurst says thieves are actually
targeting those big bundles of hay that are left out in fields prior to
being harvested, hauling them off and selling the valuable commodity.

Of course, no one brands their hay so if you hook onto it with your
tractor or your pickup and make it out the gate, then it s impossible to
prove where the hay came from, Hurst said.

With winter approaching and grass dying out, the price for fresh hay to
feed livestock is on the rise, and Hurst says that makes unguarded bales
a tempting target.

Ironically, it s because of the ongoing drought that fresh hay has
become so valuable with the winter season fast approaching.

And it s not just Missouri. This trend is happening in farm states
across the country, so much so that some are now putting global
positioning trackers inside their bales, in case they re stolen.

#
# The more I read that story the more BS it is.
#

First, read up on why round bales have become so popular
http://pods.dasnr.okstate.edu/docushare/dsweb/Get/Document-1772/BAE-1...

# How do you "hook into hay"?

One way with a pickup truck.
All you need is a winch, a steel bar, an short length of cable with a loop
at each end and a ramp
1) Shove the steel bar through the center of the roll
2) hook your short cable on each of the the bar
3) hook your winch to the cable
4) roll hay wheel up ramp to back of pickup

Alternately, you can install a crane on your pickup and just lift the bale
on the back.
http://www.google.com/search?q=pickup+truck+crane&hl=en&tbo=u&tbm=isc...

Third method, use a car transporter, drop the bed near the bales, and
daisy-chain the bales onto the bed

# How are bales left out "prior to harvesting"?
#

You're right that is a bit weak
But harvesting could also include removing it from the field
If you just cut, dry and roll it but leave it on the filed, the "harvesting"
is only partial
The last step, moving somewhere else for storage or use is yet to be done.

# Journalism has sunk pretty low in the USA.

Not as low as education in England, if we go by your performance.

How do you shove a steel bar through the centre of a hay bale? It is
packed almost as hard as if it were a block of timber.
And even if you succeeded, how would you get it out?
I see you know as little as these journalists.


you sharpen one end, and taper it. don't they teach thinking in england?

They make round bale lifts to put on the back of a pickup or other truck
that have the central bale spear and a couple side spears for
anti-rotation. A hydraulic cylinder tilts the assembly up and down. Tilt
down, back truck into the round bale, tilt up and drive off. Takes
seconds. Reverse to deposit the bale where you want it. They sell this
equipment at pretty much every farm supply store.

"Pete C." wrote in message
...

chaniarts wrote:

On 12/5/2012 10:48 AM, harry wrote:

How do you shove a steel bar through the centre of a hay bale? It is
packed almost as hard as if it were a block of timber.
And even if you succeeded, how would you get it out?
I see you know as little as these journalists.


you sharpen one end, and taper it. don't they teach thinking in england?

They make round bale lifts to put on the back of a pickup or other truck
that have the central bale spear and a couple side spears for
anti-rotation. A hydraulic cylinder tilts the assembly up and down. Tilt
down, back truck into the round bale, tilt up and drive off. Takes
seconds. Reverse to deposit the bale where you want it. They sell this
equipment at pretty much every farm supply store.

Plain ingenuity and simple farm equipment design are beyond the ken of such
as harry

On 12/5/12 1:09 AM, harry wrote:

Interesting story.
How do they load a big bale of hay weighing half a ton or more?
Why would hay be left outdoors anyway?

With something as simple as this:
http://tinyurl.com/bx3zy6m
There are many loaders made for tractors, skid loaders and pickups.
It isn't at all unusual for hay to be left outside. The bales might
rot a bit on the outside but the interior is usually fine.
We used to put what we could in the barn and stack the rest just
outside the cow lot. This was in the days of the 60-80 pound
rectangular bales. We loaded, unloaded, and stacked by hand.
Ranchers in the Nebraska Sandhills used to make hay stacks with
loose hay. A single haystack he http://tinyurl.com/ajxoece
A bunch of pictures here http://tinyurl.com/cqap8tf of various sized
bales, hay equipment etc.

On 12-05-2012 12:48, harry wrote:
How do you shove a steel bar through the centre of a hay bale? It is
packed almost as hard as if it were a block of timber.
And even if you succeeded, how would you get it out?
I see you know as little as these journalists.

I see you know very little about hay.

--
Wes Groleau

Change is inevitable.
Liberals need to learn that €œinevitable" is not a synonym for €œgood."
Conservatives should learn that €œinevitable" is not a synonym for €œbad.€�

Attila Iskander wrote:

"Pete C." wrote in message
...

chaniarts wrote:

On 12/5/2012 10:48 AM, harry wrote:

How do you shove a steel bar through the centre of a hay bale? It is
packed almost as hard as if it were a block of timber.
And even if you succeeded, how would you get it out?
I see you know as little as these journalists.


you sharpen one end, and taper it. don't they teach thinking in england?

They make round bale lifts to put on the back of a pickup or other truck
that have the central bale spear and a couple side spears for
anti-rotation. A hydraulic cylinder tilts the assembly up and down. Tilt
down, back truck into the round bale, tilt up and drive off. Takes
seconds. Reverse to deposit the bale where you want it. They sell this
equipment at pretty much every farm supply store.

Plain ingenuity and simple farm equipment design are beyond the ken of such
as harry

Oddly enough I saw a lot of backyard gardens and little greenhouses
while I was in the UK this year, even in pretty urban areas.

"Pete C." wrote in message
...

Attila Iskander wrote:

"Pete C." wrote in message
...

chaniarts wrote:

On 12/5/2012 10:48 AM, harry wrote:

How do you shove a steel bar through the centre of a hay bale? It
is
packed almost as hard as if it were a block of timber.
And even if you succeeded, how would you get it out?
I see you know as little as these journalists.


you sharpen one end, and taper it. don't they teach thinking in
england?

They make round bale lifts to put on the back of a pickup or other
truck
that have the central bale spear and a couple side spears for
anti-rotation. A hydraulic cylinder tilts the assembly up and down.
Tilt
down, back truck into the round bale, tilt up and drive off. Takes
seconds. Reverse to deposit the bale where you want it. They sell this
equipment at pretty much every farm supply store.

Plain ingenuity and simple farm equipment design are beyond the ken of
such
as harry

Oddly enough I saw a lot of backyard gardens and little greenhouses
while I was in the UK this year, even in pretty urban areas.

Sadly that's no guarantee that they can think outside of the box..

Much like the humming bird. Science has proven that it cannot fly.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

" Attila Iskander" wrote in message
...

# And even if you succeeded, how would you get it out?
# I see you know as little as these journalists.

Funny how farmers have no trouble either shoving in or pulling out their
bale spears.
You have to wonder how on earth they manage to do it...

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

" Attila Iskander" wrote in message
...

# And even if you succeeded, how would you get it out?
# I see you know as little as these journalists.

Funny how farmers have no trouble either shoving in or pulling out their
bale spears.
You have to wonder how on earth they manage to do it...


# Much like the humming bird. Science has proven that it cannot fly.
#

Don't forget the bumble-bee is also not supposed to be able to fly
But fly it does anyway.
\

On 12-05-2012 23:30, Attila Iskander wrote:
"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
# Much like the humming bird. Science has proven that it cannot fly.

Don't forget the bumble-bee is also not supposed to be able to fly
But fly it does anyway.

Two (false) urban legends meet on Usenet.


--
Wes Groleau

€œStatistics are like bikinis.
What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital.€�
€” Aaron Levenstein

On Dec 5, 6:02*pm, IGot2P wrote:
On 12/5/2012 11:45 AM, harry wrote:









On Dec 5, 2:21 pm, Home Guy wrote:
Bob F wrote:
The more I read that story the more BS it is.

How do you "hook into hay"?
How are bales left out "prior to harvesting"?

Journalism has sunk pretty low in the USA.

Ever drive past hayfields? I see bales all over them at times,
with nobody in sight.

Harry (being in the UK) is not familiar with the size and scale of farm
fields here in north america.

I know they are moved under cover as soon as possible to keep them dry.

Obviously, you don't have a clue. Most balers wraps the big bales with a
waterproof material so they can be left out year around. They are moved
out of the hay field but normally simply to an open area where the
livestock cannot get to them.

Obviously, you don't have a clue. That is not hay in the black
plastic, it is silage.

On Dec 5, 6:49*pm, chaniarts wrote:
On 12/5/2012 10:48 AM, harry wrote:









On Dec 5, 2:09 pm, " Attila Iskander"
wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

....
On Dec 5, 5:21 am, Will Rogers "W.Rogers"@Where the Wind Comes

Sweepin' Down the.Plain wrote:
Apparently, it's not enough to be thieving copper in Newark, or looting
homes destroyed by hurricanes or forest-fire.

What could be lower than stealing hay from desperate farmers?

---------------------

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/12/...-fight-rise-in....

December 3, 2012 9:49 AM

ST. LOUIS (KMOX) - As if it s not bad enough that Missouri farmers are
trying to survive the worst drought in decades, now many of them are
facing a new problem that s costing them big bucks.

Missouri Farm Bureau president Blake Hurst says thieves are actually
targeting those big bundles of hay that are left out in fields prior to
being harvested, hauling them off and selling the valuable commodity.

Of course, no one brands their hay so if you hook onto it with your
tractor or your pickup and make it out the gate, then it s impossible to
prove where the hay came from, Hurst said.

With winter approaching and grass dying out, the price for fresh hay to
feed livestock is on the rise, and Hurst says that makes unguarded bales
a tempting target.

Ironically, it s because of the ongoing drought that fresh hay has
become so valuable with the winter season fast approaching.

And it s not just Missouri. This trend is happening in farm states
across the country, so much so that some are now putting global
positioning trackers inside their bales, in case they re stolen.

#
# The more I read that story the more BS it is.
#

First, read up on why round bales have become so popular
* * *http://pods.dasnr.okstate.edu/docushare/dsweb/Get/Document-1772/BAE-1...

# How do you "hook into hay"?

One way with a pickup truck.
All you need is a winch, a steel bar, an short length of cable with a loop
at each end and a ramp
1) * *Shove the steel bar through the center of the roll
2) * *hook your short cable on each of the the bar
3) * *hook your winch to the cable
4) * *roll hay wheel up ramp to back of pickup

Alternately, you can install a crane on your pickup and just lift the bale
on the back.
* * http://www.google.com/search?q=pickup+truck+crane&hl=en&tbo=u&tbm=isc...

Third method, use a car transporter, drop the bed near the bales, and
daisy-chain the bales onto the bed

# How are bales left out "prior to harvesting"?
#

You're right that is a bit weak
But harvesting could also include removing it from the field
If you just cut, dry and roll it but leave it on the filed, the "harvesting"
is only partial
The last step, moving somewhere else for storage or use is yet to be done.

# Journalism has sunk pretty low in the USA.

Not as low as education in England, if we go by your performance.

How do you shove a steel bar through the centre of a hay bale? *It is
packed almost as hard as if it were a block of timber.
And even if you succeeded, how would you get it out?
I see you know as little as these journalists.

you sharpen one end, and taper it. don't they teach thinking in england?

Right! And how do they get it into the hay?
And how do they taper it and how does that help?
You are truely a halfwit.

On Dec 5, 7:30*pm, "NotMe" wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

...
On Dec 5, 2:21 pm, Home Guy wrote:

Bob F wrote:
The more I read that story the more BS it is.

How do you "hook into hay"?
How are bales left out "prior to harvesting"?

Journalism has sunk pretty low in the USA.

Ever drive past hayfields? I see bales all over them at times,
with nobody in sight.

Harry (being in the UK) is not familiar with the size and scale of farm
fields here in north america.

I know they are moved under cover as soon as possible to keep them dry.

{{

Rolled bales are often covered with sheet plastic and left in the fields for
extended periods. *At least in the fields here in N. Texas. (been a bit dry
here abouts over the past several years so that may have something to do
with the practice)

Even dew will spoil hay.
The black bags are not hay but silage. (Fermented grass)
Silage BTW would be twice the weight of hay.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silage

On Dec 5, 10:48*pm, "Pete C." wrote:
chaniarts wrote:

On 12/5/2012 10:48 AM, harry wrote:
On Dec 5, 2:09 pm, " Attila Iskander"
wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

....
On Dec 5, 5:21 am, Will Rogers "W.Rogers"@Where the Wind Comes

Sweepin' Down the.Plain wrote:
Apparently, it's not enough to be thieving copper in Newark, or looting
homes destroyed by hurricanes or forest-fire.

What could be lower than stealing hay from desperate farmers?

---------------------

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/12/...-fight-rise-in...

December 3, 2012 9:49 AM

ST. LOUIS (KMOX) - As if it s not bad enough that Missouri farmers are
trying to survive the worst drought in decades, now many of them are
facing a new problem that s costing them big bucks.

Missouri Farm Bureau president Blake Hurst says thieves are actually
targeting those big bundles of hay that are left out in fields prior to
being harvested, hauling them off and selling the valuable commodity.

Of course, no one brands their hay so if you hook onto it with your
tractor or your pickup and make it out the gate, then it s impossible to
prove where the hay came from, Hurst said.

With winter approaching and grass dying out, the price for fresh hay to
feed livestock is on the rise, and Hurst says that makes unguarded bales
a tempting target.

Ironically, it s because of the ongoing drought that fresh hay has
become so valuable with the winter season fast approaching.

And it s not just Missouri. This trend is happening in farm states
across the country, so much so that some are now putting global
positioning trackers inside their bales, in case they re stolen.

#
# The more I read that story the more BS it is.
#

First, read up on why round bales have become so popular
* * *http://pods.dasnr.okstate.edu/docushare/dsweb/Get/Document-1772/BAE-1...

# How do you "hook into hay"?

One way with a pickup truck.
All you need is a winch, a steel bar, an short length of cable with a loop
at each end and a ramp
1) * *Shove the steel bar through the center of the roll
2) * *hook your short cable on each of the the bar
3) * *hook your winch to the cable
4) * *roll hay wheel up ramp to back of pickup

Alternately, you can install a crane on your pickup and just lift the bale
on the back.
* * http://www.google.com/search?q=pickup+truck+crane&hl=en&tbo=u&tbm=isc...

Third method, use a car transporter, drop the bed near the bales, and
daisy-chain the bales onto the bed

# How are bales left out "prior to harvesting"?
#

You're right that is a bit weak
But harvesting could also include removing it from the field
If you just cut, dry and roll it but leave it on the filed, the "harvesting"
is only partial
The last step, moving somewhere else for storage or use is yet to be done.

# Journalism has sunk pretty low in the USA.

Not as low as education in England, if we go by your performance.

How do you shove a steel bar through the centre of a hay bale? *It is
packed almost as hard as if it were a block of timber.

And even if you succeeded, how would you get it out?
I see you know as little as these journalists.

you sharpen one end, and taper it. don't they teach thinking in england?

They make round bale lifts to put on the back of a pickup or other truck
that have the central bale spear and a couple side spears for
anti-rotation. A hydraulic cylinder tilts the assembly up and down. Tilt
down, back truck into the round bale, tilt up and drive off. Takes
seconds. Reverse to deposit the bale where you want it. They sell this
equipment at pretty much every farm supply store.

The bale lifts go on the front or back of an agricultural tractor
using the hydraulics to lift.
So it would need to be another farmer.

That narrows down the suspects then a bit.

On Dec 5, 6:32*pm, " Attila Iskander"
wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

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On Dec 5, 2:09 pm, " Attila Iskander"
wrote:







"harry" wrote in message

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On Dec 5, 5:21 am, Will Rogers "W.Rogers"@Where the Wind Comes

Sweepin' Down the.Plain wrote:
Apparently, it's not enough to be thieving copper in Newark, or looting
homes destroyed by hurricanes or forest-fire.

What could be lower than stealing hay from desperate farmers?

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http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/12/...-fight-rise-in....

December 3, 2012 9:49 AM

ST. LOUIS (KMOX) - As if it s not bad enough that Missouri farmers are
trying to survive the worst drought in decades, now many of them are
facing a new problem that s costing them big bucks.

Missouri Farm Bureau president Blake Hurst says thieves are actually
targeting those big bundles of hay that are left out in fields prior to
being harvested, hauling them off and selling the valuable commodity.

Of course, no one brands their hay so if you hook onto it with your
tractor or your pickup and make it out the gate, then it s impossible to
prove where the hay came from, Hurst said.

With winter approaching and grass dying out, the price for fresh hay to
feed livestock is on the rise, and Hurst says that makes unguarded bales
a tempting target.

Ironically, it s because of the ongoing drought that fresh hay has
become so valuable with the winter season fast approaching.

And it s not just Missouri. This trend is happening in farm states
across the country, so much so that some are now putting global
positioning trackers inside their bales, in case they re stolen.

#
# The more I read that story the more BS it is.
#

First, read up on why round bales have become so popular
http://pods.dasnr.okstate.edu/docushare/dsweb/Get/Document-1772/BAE-1....

# How do you "hook into hay"?

One way with a pickup truck.
All you need is a winch, a steel bar, an short length of cable with a loop
at each end and a ramp
1) Shove the steel bar through the center of the roll
2) hook your short cable on each of the the bar
3) hook your winch to the cable
4) roll hay wheel up ramp to back of pickup

Alternately, you can install a crane on your pickup and just lift the bale
on the back.
http://www.google.com/search?q=pickup+truck+crane&hl=en&tbo=u&tbm=isc...

Third method, use a car transporter, drop the bed near the bales, and
daisy-chain the bales onto the bed

# How are bales left out "prior to harvesting"?
#

You're right that is a bit weak
But harvesting could also include removing it from the field
If you just cut, dry and roll it but leave it on the filed, the
"harvesting"
is only partial
The last step, moving somewhere else for storage or use is yet to be done.

# Journalism has sunk pretty low in the USA.

Not as low as education in England, if we go by your performance.

#
#How do you shove a steel bar through the centre of a hay bale? *It is
# packed almost as hard as if it were a block of timber.

Never heard of a bale spear ?

# And even if you succeeded, how would you get it out?
# I see you know as little as these journalists.

Funny how farmers have no trouble either shoving in or pulling out their
bale spears.
* * You have to wonder how on earth they manage to do it...

They manage it because the spear is mounted on an agricultural tractor
(front or rear).

On Dec 6, 12:30*am, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 12/5/12 1:09 AM, harry wrote:

Interesting story.
How do they load a big bale of hay weighing half a ton or more?
Why would hay be left outdoors anyway?

* * *With something as simple as this:http://tinyurl.com/bx3zy6m
* There are many loaders made for tractors, skid loaders and pickups.
* *It isn't at all unusual for hay to be left outside. *The bales might
rot a bit on the outside but the interior is usually fine.
* *We used to put what we could in the barn and stack the rest just
outside the cow lot. *This was in the days of the 60-80 pound
rectangular bales. *We loaded, unloaded, and stacked by hand.
* * Ranchers in the Nebraska Sandhills used to make hay stacks with
loose hay. *A single haystack hehttp://tinyurl.com/ajxoece
A bunch of pictures here *http://tinyurl.com/cqap8tfof various sized
bales, hay equipment etc.

Few people make small bales these days.
Few people even make hay, they make silage.
How do you steal a haystack of loose hay then?

On Dec 6, 1:27*am, Wes Groleau wrote:
On 12-05-2012 12:48, harry wrote:

How do you shove a steel bar through the centre of a hay bale? *It is
packed almost as hard as if it were a block of timber.
And even if you succeeded, how would you get it out?
I see you know as little as these journalists.

I see you know very little about hay.

I used to own a farm.
I can see you have a big mouth and know absolutely nothing about hay.

On Dec 5, 6:30*pm, " Attila Iskander"
wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

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On Dec 5, 2:21 pm, Home Guy wrote: Bob F wrote:
The more I read that story the more BS it is.

How do you "hook into hay"?
How are bales left out "prior to harvesting"?

Journalism has sunk pretty low in the USA.

Ever drive past hayfields? I see bales all over them at times,
with nobody in sight.

Harry (being in the UK) is not familiar with the size and scale of farm
fields here in north america.

#
# I know they are moved under cover as soon as possible to keep them dry.
#

Bud do you know if they go to the cover or the cover comes to them

I know they have to be stored in a well ventilated, dry place.
Any moisture at all will cause the hay to rot.
Away from damp in the ground too.

On Dec 5, 8:26*pm, rlz wrote:
On Dec 5, 12:35*pm, "NotMe" wrote:









"harry" wrote in message

....
On Dec 5, 2:09 pm, " Attila Iskander"
wrote:

"harry" wrote in message

....
On Dec 5, 5:21 am, Will Rogers "W.Rogers"@Where the Wind Comes

Sweepin' Down the.Plain wrote:
Apparently, it's not enough to be thieving copper in Newark, or looting
homes destroyed by hurricanes or forest-fire.

What could be lower than stealing hay from desperate farmers?

---------------------

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/12/...-fight-rise-in...

December 3, 2012 9:49 AM

ST. LOUIS (KMOX) - As if it s not bad enough that Missouri farmers are
trying to survive the worst drought in decades, now many of them are
facing a new problem that s costing them big bucks.

Missouri Farm Bureau president Blake Hurst says thieves are actually
targeting those big bundles of hay that are left out in fields prior to
being harvested, hauling them off and selling the valuable commodity.

Of course, no one brands their hay so if you hook onto it with your
tractor or your pickup and make it out the gate, then it s impossible to
prove where the hay came from, Hurst said.

With winter approaching and grass dying out, the price for fresh hay to
feed livestock is on the rise, and Hurst says that makes unguarded bales
a tempting target.

Ironically, it s because of the ongoing drought that fresh hay has
become so valuable with the winter season fast approaching.

And it s not just Missouri. This trend is happening in farm states
across the country, so much so that some are now putting global
positioning trackers inside their bales, in case they re stolen.

#
# The more I read that story the more BS it is.
#

First, read up on why round bales have become so popular
http://pods.dasnr.okstate.edu/docushare/dsweb/Get/Document-1772/BAE-1...

# How do you "hook into hay"?

One way with a pickup truck.
All you need is a winch, a steel bar, an short length of cable with a loop
at each end and a ramp
1) Shove the steel bar through the center of the roll
2) hook your short cable on each of the the bar
3) hook your winch to the cable
4) roll hay wheel up ramp to back of pickup

Alternately, you can install a crane on your pickup and just lift the bale
on the back.
http://www.google.com/search?q=pickup+truck+crane&hl=en&tbo=u&tbm=isc...

Third method, use a car transporter, drop the bed near the bales, and
daisy-chain the bales onto the bed

# How are bales left out "prior to harvesting"?
#

You're right that is a bit weak
But harvesting could also include removing it from the field
If you just cut, dry and roll it but leave it on the filed, the
"harvesting"
is only partial
The last step, moving somewhere else for storage or use is yet to be done.

# Journalism has sunk pretty low in the USA.

Not as low as education in England, if we go by your performance.

How do you shove a steel bar through the centre of a hay bale? *It is
packed almost as hard as if it were a block of timber.
And even if you succeeded, how would you get it out?
I see you know as little as these journalists.

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Apply sufficient force (does not take much) for both operations. *(not a
journalists but one who, a long time back, worked for chump change shoveling
horse sh|t and wrestling hay in and out of trucks/flat bed trailers.)- Hide quoted text -

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For those that don't know much about how hay is processed, here is a
brief rundown of the tasks involved.
1. Once the grass grows to a significant height, a tractor with a
mowing attachment mows the field, leaving the grass cutting on the
ground.
2. After a period of drying time (we used to wait a day or two), a
tractor with a raking attachment goes over the cut grass and rakes the
hay into rows.
3. *Then a tractor with a baling attachment goes over each row and
gathers the hays to put into bales of hay. These bales can be round
cylinders or rectangle blocks, as well as fairly small (50-100 Lbs) to
very large 1000+ LBs bales.
4. *The bales can be left in the hay field, but most farmers move the
bales into a barn for storage, or into an outside area that livestock
doesn't have access to. *This is to allow the hay fields to grow
back. *The actually moving of the bales, if small in size, can be done
by hand using a flat-bed trailer and pickup truck. *The larger bales
are usually moved via a tractor witha pole attachment.

It wouldn't be much of an effort for someone in a pickup hauling a
large flat-bed trailer with a tractor on the it to steal the hay.
Just pull up to a pasture where the hay is located, drive the tractor
off the trailer, pick up a few bales of hay and stack them on the
trailor, drive the tractor back onto the trailer, and then drive the
pickup away.

So the cops won't notice anyone transporting a tractor on a trailer
along with several tons of hay?

On Dec 6, 3:49*am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
Much like the humming bird. Science has proven that it cannot fly.

Can you verify that statement or is it another of your folksy theories?

On 12/6/2012 1:16 AM, harry wrote:
On Dec 6, 12:30 am, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 12/5/12 1:09 AM, harry wrote:

Interesting story.
How do they load a big bale of hay weighing half a ton or more?
Why would hay be left outdoors anyway?

With something as simple as this:http://tinyurl.com/bx3zy6m
There are many loaders made for tractors, skid loaders and pickups.
It isn't at all unusual for hay to be left outside. The bales might
rot a bit on the outside but the interior is usually fine.
We used to put what we could in the barn and stack the rest just
outside the cow lot. This was in the days of the 60-80 pound
rectangular bales. We loaded, unloaded, and stacked by hand.
Ranchers in the Nebraska Sandhills used to make hay stacks with
loose hay. A single haystack hehttp://tinyurl.com/ajxoece
A bunch of pictures here http://tinyurl.com/cqap8tfof various sized
bales, hay equipment etc.

Few people make small bales these days.
Few people even make hay, they make silage.
How do you steal a haystack of loose hay then?


Big vacuum cleaner you silly boy. ^_^

TDD

On 12/6/12 1:16 AM, harry wrote:
On Dec 6, 12:30 am, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 12/5/12 1:09 AM, harry wrote:

Few people make small bales these days.
Few people even make hay, they make silage.
How do you steal a haystack of loose hay then?

With a stack mover, of course. A truck mounted one
he http://tinyurl.com/cxzd693
Hesston makes a lot of different types of hay equipment.
There isn't much alfalfa in my area anymore. I don't remember anyone
making silage out of it. It was always baled. A few farmers I
know are raising alfalfa for a nearby dairy. They're baling it.
Silage here (central Nebraska) is corn silage. The cattle feeders
usually put it in bunker silos. A couple pictures he
http://tinyurl.com/a2lh9cm
The hay shortage is prompting one change. There are a lot more guys
baling their corn stover.