Lets hope they are OK. Sounds miserable. Hope the wall
street infestation packs up and goes home.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..
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STATE COLLEGE, Pa. - An unusually early and powerful
nor'easter dumped wet, heavy snow Saturday from the
mid-Atlantic to New England, toppling leafy trees and power
lines and knocking out electricity to more than 2 million
homes and businesses.

eastern Pennsylvania serving as the bull's-eye.
West Milford, N.J., about 45 miles northwest of New York
City, had received 15.5 inches of snow by Saturday night
Plainfield, Mass., had gotten 14.3 inches.
New York City's Central Park set a record for both the date
and the month of October with 1.3 inches of snow.

More than 2.2 million customers lost power from Maryland
north through Massachusetts. More than half a million
residents in New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Connecticut were
without power, including New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie.

By late Saturday, the storm had vacated most of Pennsylvania
and was tracking northeast.

Throughout the region, officials had warned that the early
storm would bring sticky snow and could create dangerous
conditions. New Jersey, Connecticut and Massachusetts
declared states of emergencies.

Wind gusts of up to 55 mph were predicted especially along
coastal areas.


the severity caught them by surprise.
"This is absolutely a lot more snow than I expected to see
today. ,"

The storm disrupted travel. Airports all had hours long
delays Saturday. Amtrak suspended service between
Philadelphia and Harrisburg, Pa.

Residents were urged to avoid travel altogether. Speed
limits were reduced on bridges between New Jersey and
Pennsylvania. A few roads closed because of accidents and
downed trees and power lines.

In eastern Pennsylvania, snow toppled trees and a few power
lines and led to minor traffic accidents, according to
dispatchers.

The last major widespread snowstorm to hit Pennsylvania this
early was in 1972

Jersey Central Power & Light, which was heavily criticized
for being too slow to restore power following Hurricane
Irene, had hundreds of workers set to be deployed.

Parts of New York saw a mix of snow, rain and slush that
made for sheer misery at the Occupy Wall Street encampment
in New York City, where drenched protesters hunkered down in
tents and under tarps as the plaza filled with rainwater and
melted snow. [serves em right, the bums.]

Two Vermont ski resorts, Killington and Mount Snow, started
the ski season early by opening one trail each over the
weekend, thanks to the recent snow and cold. Maine's Sunday
River ski resort also opened for the weekend.

In State College, 14-year-old Mac Charvala and his brother
Will, 10, of South Orange, N.J., were using new body boards
to slide along an inch of slushy snow covering a parking
lot.
"We've never been to a snow game before," said their father,
Mike. "It's an adventure. If you don't want to have fun,
stay home."

On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 22:14:31 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Lets hope they are OK. Sounds miserable. Hope the wall
street infestation packs up and goes home.


W rarely lose power, but we were out for about five hours tonight.
Others may be days. Crews are out, but witht he high winds they
cannot do so much yet.

Sorry to hear you were without power. What did you do, in
response? Light candles, or what?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Ed Pawlowskio" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 22:14:31 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Lets hope they are OK. Sounds miserable. Hope the wall
street infestation packs up and goes home.


W rarely lose power, but we were out for about five hours
tonight.
Others may be days. Crews are out, but witht he high winds
they
cannot do so much yet.

On Oct 29, 10:14*pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
Lets hope they are OK.

Why?

Sounds miserable.

I was just asking myself what you thought about the weather.

Hope the wall
street infestation packs up and goes home.

Why, is that what Jesus would do...?
-----

- gpsman

On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 09:20:10 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Sorry to hear you were without power. What did you do, in
response? Light candles, or what?


Lit a couple of kerosene lamps. They give enough light tog et by for
hours. We have a gas stove so cooking is not a problem either. I
was going to bed early, blew out the light, and the power came back
on.

On Oct 30, 8:48*am, gpsman wrote:
On Oct 29, 10:14*pm, "Stormin Mormon"

wrote:
Lets hope they are OK.

Why?

Sounds miserable.

I was just asking myself what you thought about the weather.

Hope the wall
street infestation packs up and goes home.

Why, is that what Jesus would do...?
*-----

- gpsman


Jesus? Ain't he the feller long ago that used to sponge off of rich
married women all the time? Talk about a person that didn't want to
work a real job. If one believed the conservative rhetoric about
Liberals, shouldn't Jesus be our biggest hero?

-C-

I think you mean the guy with the Spanish accent
who mows my lawn.

The Jesus of the Bible was a carpenter, like Joseph,
his father. He earned his keep.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Country" wrote in message
...

Jesus? Ain't he the feller long ago that used to sponge off
of rich
married women all the time? Talk about a person that didn't
want to
work a real job. If one believed the conservative rhetoric
about
Liberals, shouldn't Jesus be our biggest hero?

-C-

In article ,
Stormin Mormon wrote:
I think you mean the guy with the Spanish accent
who mows my lawn.

The Jesus of the Bible was a carpenter, like Joseph,
his father. He earned his keep.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.


"Country" wrote in message
...

Jesus? Ain't he the feller long ago that used to sponge off
of rich
married women all the time? Talk about a person that didn't
want to
work a real job. If one believed the conservative rhetoric
about
Liberals, shouldn't Jesus be our biggest hero?

-C-



Is that the same Jesus who provided fish and bread to hungry people simply
because they were needy?


--
Often wrong, never in doubt.

Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org

On 10/30/2011 9:20 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Sorry to hear you were without power. What did you do, in
response? Light candles, or what?


Here, without internet for a couple of hours this morning.
Worse concern of wife was burned out bulb in bathroom fixture.

On 10/30/2011 10:46 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

The Jesus of the Bible was a carpenter, like Joseph,
his father. He earned his keep.


Earning their keep is exactly what most of the protesters want to do.
Most are unemployed or under-employed through no fault of their own.
They want jobs that pay a living wage and the restoration of what this
country once stood for and made possible for almost all of our immigrant
ancestors: a fair opportunity to make the most of their abilities and
ambitions.

Many are college grads with tens of thousands of dollars of education
debts and no job prospects to live a dignified life - much less pay back
those loans. They are not looking for a handout, just a social system
that is not strongly rigged against the majority of the citizenry. Stop
listening to the ignorant conservative wing-nuts and learn the facts.

Peter wrote:
On 10/30/2011 10:46 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

The Jesus of the Bible was a carpenter, like Joseph,
his father. He earned his keep.


Earning their keep is exactly what most of the protesters want to do.
Most are unemployed or under-employed through no fault of their own.
They want jobs that pay a living wage and the restoration of what this
country once stood for and made possible for almost all of our immigrant
ancestors: a fair opportunity to make the most of their abilities and
ambitions.

Many are college grads with tens of thousands of dollars of education
debts and no job prospects to live a dignified life - much less pay back
those loans. They are not looking for a handout, just a social system
that is not strongly rigged against the majority of the citizenry. Stop
listening to the ignorant conservative wing-nuts and learn the facts.


http://www.alternet.org/economy/1526...s/?page=entire

On 10/30/2011 2:38 PM, Fat-Dumb and Happy wrote:
Peter wrote:
On 10/30/2011 10:46 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

The Jesus of the Bible was a carpenter, like Joseph,
his father. He earned his keep.


Earning their keep is exactly what most of the protesters want to do.
Most are unemployed or under-employed through no fault of their own.
They want jobs that pay a living wage and the restoration of what this
country once stood for and made possible for almost all of our
immigrant ancestors: a fair opportunity to make the most of their
abilities and ambitions.

Many are college grads with tens of thousands of dollars of education
debts and no job prospects to live a dignified life - much less pay
back those loans. They are not looking for a handout, just a social
system that is not strongly rigged against the majority of the
citizenry. Stop listening to the ignorant conservative wing-nuts and
learn the facts.


http://www.alternet.org/economy/1526...s/?page=entire

Thank you Fat-Dumb and Happy. And this too:
http://www.alternet.org/occupywallst...upy_movement_/

In article , Peter
wrote:

Thank you Fat-Dumb and Happy. And this too:
http://www.alternet.org/occupywallst...hic_data_that_
shows_exactly_what_motivates_the_occupy_movement_/

I don't even know where to begin on this piece of tripe. The graph that
shows incomes doesn't show even half of the reality. Looking at
Effective Federal Tax Rates for all households show that while the top
1% has fallen, so has every other tax rate since 2000. In fact the
effective rate of the top 1% have fallen 20% while the middle quintile's
fell by *40%*.
The bottom two quintiles actually have NEGATIVE income rates because
of the effects of credits. So they not only get all their withholding
back, but also get additional money. This, BTW, has gone up from -4.6%
effective rate for the lowest quintile in 2000 to -6.6% in 2009. The
second lowest quintile joined the having a negative income rate in 2002
related ONLY to the Bush tax cuts that increased access to such things
as the earned income credit and child care credits to much lower
incomes.
I also thought it was sorta interesting that they all of a
sudden went from effective tax rates to marginal tax rates when talking
about 90% tax rates. Indeed the two were mixed together in consecutive
sentences in the same para go make it sound like the EFFECTIVE rate went
from 90% to 16%. They also failed to mention that the first major cut,
1/3 from 90% to 70% was under JFK.
The chart about the income share was most illuminating,
although they took exactly the wrong message from it. Looking at that
chart, it is shown that the top 1%'s share was pretty steady from 41 to
81 or so. It took off in the mid-80s, which coincides with a major
change in tax policy... although not one that the OWS folks would
acknowledge and one that suggests they should be damn careful what they
wish for when calling for Congressional intervention.
The Democrat Congress at the time (although the final votes were
fairly bipartisan) decided that Executive Compensation was getting out
of hand and they Must Put A Stop To That. So, they effectively capped
the salary of the top executives at a $1 million dollars by making that
the top amount that could be deducted (BTW: If you look at the annual
reports you will see that even to today most salaries are around a $1
million or so).
But in order to do Good Things and "make the interests of the
executives coincide with those of the shareholders" they tax advantaged
stock options and "incentive based" bonuses.
This did three things:
1), It meant that people were no longer being paid to run the
company (salary) but were being paid to run the books and thus the stock
price (The first bookkeeping scandal took place two years later, not
likely a coincidence
2). As the stock market took off, it meant that the execs were being
paid orders of magnitude above what even the most captive board would
have had the balls to pay them in real actual money.
3). The concentration of income skyrocketed, all because Congress
screwed around with things.

They also pretend that billionaires benefited the most from the
bailout. Not hardly. Actually the biggest holders of the toxic stuff was
not individuals of any income bracket, but rather pension funds, college
endowments, and investments by foundations.

--
People thought cybersex was a safe alternative,
until patients started presenting with sexually
acquired carpal tunnel syndrome.-Howard Berkowitz

In article ,
Kurt Ullman wrote:

Also forgot to note that ratio of CEO to average worker pay was in the
mid 20 to low 30s from at least '65 until our boys started screwing
around with tax policy in the 80s. Even since then, however, it has been
a very volatile ratio bouncing as high as 300 in '98 (under Clinton of
all people), plummeting to as low as 143 in 2002 (under Bush of all
people), going back up to around 262 by 2005 (last year I can find
anything.

--
People thought cybersex was a safe alternative,
until patients started presenting with sexually
acquired carpal tunnel syndrome.-Howard Berkowitz

Yes, created entitlement in unprepared welfare bums.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Larry W" wrote in message
...

Is that the same Jesus who provided fish and bread to hungry
people simply
because they were needy?


--
Often wrong, never in doubt.

Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf.
lonestar. org

I think you need immediate federal aid. A couple million to
start.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Frank" wrote in message
...
On 10/30/2011 9:20 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Sorry to hear you were without power. What did you do, in
response? Light candles, or what?


Here, without internet for a couple of hours this morning.
Worse concern of wife was burned out bulb in bathroom
fixture.

They would be better off in Washington, protesting for
repeal of the over regulation. The what I've heard of the
OWS crowd, they are liberals to the core.

BTW, I'm an ignorant right wing nut.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Peter"
wrote in message ...

They are not looking for a handout, just a social system
that is not strongly rigged against the majority of the
citizenry. Stop
listening to the ignorant conservative wing-nuts and learn
the facts.

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in news:j8kf6k
:

I think you need immediate federal aid. A couple million to
start.

We were without power for 24 hrs. Many in 07410 and surrounding still are.
In my estimation tree damage compares to Irene, but most trees didn't come
down - just many smaller and bigger branches. Some trees are likely too
damaged to survive. We only had 4-5 inches total, and less was on the
ground at the end, but the damage is indeed bad. Many power lines down
because of fallen tree branches.
While asking for federal aid has been bantered about in NJ, I'm not sure
that will be necessary. I think that federal aid is mostly (low cost)
loans, and other than spoiled food and lost sales, most damage is in being
without power or from tree loss, not something for federal aid IMO.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in news:j8kf6l
:

BTW, I'm an ignorant right wing nut.

That's a fact grin. But apart from that, you can be OK. FWIW, I am anti
organized religion even if it gives good company to some.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

This might be the wrong time to mention that I'm a card
carrying Mormon, as well as a prepper. I guess that's a
couple strikes against me, in this conversation.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Han" wrote in message
...
"Stormin Mormon" wrote
in news:j8kf6l
:

BTW, I'm an ignorant right wing nut.

That's a fact grin. But apart from that, you can be OK.
FWIW, I am anti
organized religion even if it gives good company to some.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

Thanks for the field report. Glad you are common sense, and
practical fellow.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Ed Pawlowskio" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 09:20:10 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Sorry to hear you were without power. What did you do, in
response? Light candles, or what?


Lit a couple of kerosene lamps. They give enough light tog
et by for
hours. We have a gas stove so cooking is not a problem
either. I
was going to bed early, blew out the light, and the power
came back
on.

No sense in taking money from working people by force, and
giving it to people just account of a storm.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Han" wrote in message
...
"Stormin Mormon" wrote
in news:j8kf6k
:

I think you need immediate federal aid. A couple million
to
start.

We were without power for 24 hrs. Many in 07410 and
surrounding still are.
In my estimation tree damage compares to Irene, but most
trees didn't come
down - just many smaller and bigger branches. Some trees
are likely too
damaged to survive. We only had 4-5 inches total, and less
was on the
ground at the end, but the damage is indeed bad. Many power
lines down
because of fallen tree branches.
While asking for federal aid has been bantered about in NJ,
I'm not sure
that will be necessary. I think that federal aid is mostly
(low cost)
loans, and other than spoiled food and lost sales, most
damage is in being
without power or from tree loss, not something for federal
aid IMO.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

Worded differently, Exxon charged an extra $43 billion
to/from its customers, and remitted that money to the Fed.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


wrote in message
...

BTW CNN reported that Exxon, everyones favorite target, paid
$43
billion last year in US taxes

In article ,
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 16:53:43 -0400, Kurt Ullman
wrote:

I also thought it was sorta interesting that they all of a
sudden went from effective tax rates to marginal tax rates when talking
about 90% tax rates. Indeed the two were mixed together in consecutive
sentences in the same para go make it sound like the EFFECTIVE rate went
from 90% to 16%. They also failed to mention that the first major cut,
1/3 from 90% to 70% was under JFK.

The other massive cut was under Reagan but people ignore the fact that
these cuts came along with the elimination of a lot of tax shelters
and made a lot of corporate perks taxable.
It would really be interesting if we could see HL Hunt's tax return
from the 60s and compare it to how much he actually made.

In this case, the JFK case and under Bush (also for Clinton's more
focussed cap gains cut) the revenues actually went up. Tax revenues
climbed from $94 billion in 1961 to $153 billion in 1968, an increase of
62 percent (33 percent after adjusting for inflation). Total tax
revenues climbed by 99.4 percent during the 1980s, and the results are
even more impressive when looking at what happened to personal income
tax revenues. Once the economy received an unambiguous tax cut in
January 1983, income tax revenues climbed dramatically, increasing by
more than 54 percent by 1989 (28 percent after adjusting for inflation).

--
People thought cybersex was a safe alternative,
until patients started presenting with sexually
acquired carpal tunnel syndrome.-Howard Berkowitz

Worded differently, Exxon charged an extra $43 billion
to/from its customers, and remitted that money to the Fed.

BTW CNN reported that Exxon, everyones favorite target, paid
$43
billion last year in US taxes



lets look at a small but specific example of the tax code that some of us
might be familiar with...

why can a high level ceo that has a company limo take pick him up and take
him to /from work deduct the cost of the limo and the driver and the gas and
the maintenance.....

but

an ordinary working stiff CANNOT deduct commuting costs.

why is that fair?

this is just a small but specific example of how the rules of the game are
slanted to help the very rich get richer...

Mark

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in
:

Thanks for the field report. Glad you are common sense, and
practical fellow.

"Ed Pawlowskio" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 09:20:10 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Sorry to hear you were without power. What did you do, in
response? Light candles, or what?


Lit a couple of kerosene lamps. They give enough light to
get by for hours. We have a gas stove so cooking is not a
problem either. I was going to bed early, blew out the light, and the
power came back on.

We were using a propane camping light, and LED flaslights. Will go and
buy 1 or 2 propane ceramic heating stoves tomorrow. With that I think we
could withstand several days of no power, and it's comsidrably cheaper
than a $1000 generator. We used a rather big camping cooler with ice for
the perishables.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in news:j8kikq
:

No sense in taking money from working people by force, and
giving it to people just account of a storm.

Indeed, even if it wouldn't be giving, but loaning.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in news:j8kigr
:

This might be the wrong time to mention that I'm a card
carrying Mormon, as well as a prepper. I guess that's a
couple strikes against me, in this conversation.

If you want to do that kind of accounting, that's up to you. Some of what
you say I fully agree with, other things are just plain nuts, IMO.

If you're a good person, that's what is important. My wife does a lot of
genealogy, is the non=believing daughter of a (liberal, Dutch) minister,
and regards some of what the Mormons do or did as great. Posthumously
baptizing Jews is not among those things, but hasn't hurt anyone, really.
I think I met some Mormons in Holland (on missionary duty, I think), very
polite, nice people. I don't go into discussions of religion.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

On 10/29/2011 7:14 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Lets hope they are OK. Sounds miserable. Hope the wall
street infestation packs up and goes home.


what is the cause of this alleged outage?

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

Han wrote:
"Stormin Mormon" wrote in
:

Thanks for the field report. Glad you are common sense, and
practical fellow.

"Ed Pawlowskio" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 09:20:10 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Sorry to hear you were without power. What did you do, in
response? Light candles, or what?


Lit a couple of kerosene lamps. They give enough light to
get by for hours. We have a gas stove so cooking is not a
problem either. I was going to bed early, blew out the light, and
the power came back on.

We were using a propane camping light, and LED flaslights. Will go
and buy 1 or 2 propane ceramic heating stoves tomorrow. With that I
think we could withstand several days of no power, and it's
comsidrably cheaper than a $1000 generator. We used a rather big
camping cooler with ice for the perishables.

Consider, too, a few kerosene lanterns. They're fairly cheap (about $6). Buy
some kerosene and store it in re-used one-quart oil containers. These
containers can be found in quantity in your neighborhood auto parts store's
trash bin.

Kerosene lanterns don't put out a LOT of light, but enough to stumble around
by.

wrote:

The other massive cut was under Reagan but people ignore the fact that
these cuts came along with the elimination of a lot of tax shelters
and made a lot of corporate perks taxable.
It would really be interesting if we could see HL Hunt's tax return
from the 60s and compare it to how much he actually made.


Heh! Many (many) years ago I saw a PBS interview of H.L. Hunt. The
interviewer was F. Lee Bailey and he asked Hunt a "are you still beating
your wife?" question.

(Paraphrasing)
"Mr Hunt, when one thinks of Americans who have made great fortunes, the
Fords, the Rockefellers, Carnegies, Mellons, and so on, one also thinks of
the great philanthropic institutions they've endowed. Why is it that you've
never seen fit to share your largess with others?"

Hunt looked at Bailey, certain that Baliey had just eaten a bug. A large
bug.

"I use my money to give people something better than a painting to look at
or a book to check out. I use my money to give people a JOB!"

---
One of the endearing features of H.L. Hunt was that he brought his lunch to
work in a paper bag.

The SAME paper bag.

Every day.

MarkK wrote:
Worded differently, Exxon charged an extra $43 billion
to/from its customers, and remitted that money to the Fed.

BTW CNN reported that Exxon, everyones favorite target, paid
$43
billion last year in US taxes



lets look at a small but specific example of the tax code that some
of us might be familiar with...

why can a high level ceo that has a company limo take pick him up and
take him to /from work deduct the cost of the limo and the driver and
the gas and the maintenance.....

but

an ordinary working stiff CANNOT deduct commuting costs.

why is that fair?

this is just a small but specific example of how the rules of the
game are slanted to help the very rich get richer...


That's not exactly true. Every morning, Sheila Jackson-Lee, a congresswoman
from Houston, has a member of her staff pick her up at her townhouse in
Washington and deliver her to the Capitol, three blocks away.

Steve Barker wrote:
On 10/29/2011 7:14 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Lets hope they are OK. Sounds miserable. Hope the wall
street infestation packs up and goes home.


what is the cause of this alleged outage?

Do you mean the reason for the protest? It doesn't need one.

I commend for your reading a slim volume entitled "The True Believer" by
Eric Hoffer. In it you'll find that a movement need not really have a
reason. Some basic rules of mass movement, as I recall, a

* A mass movement can succeed without a god, but it will fail without a
devil. It must have something to hate.
* People join mass movements as a substitute for their own meaningless
lives. Being part of a movement gives them a reason for existing.
* People join mass movements to escape individual responsibility.

And, I would add, in the case of the "Occupy" protests, another couple of
reasons:

* There's also the weed and the sex.

"HeyBub" wrote in
news
Han wrote:
"Stormin Mormon" wrote in
:

snip

We were using a propane camping light, and LED flaslights. Will go
and buy 1 or 2 propane ceramic heating stoves tomorrow. With that I
think we could withstand several days of no power, and it's
comsidrably cheaper than a $1000 generator. We used a rather big
camping cooler with ice for the perishables.

Consider, too, a few kerosene lanterns. They're fairly cheap (about
$6). Buy some kerosene and store it in re-used one-quart oil
containers. These containers can be found in quantity in your
neighborhood auto parts store's trash bin.

Kerosene lanterns don't put out a LOT of light, but enough to stumble
around by.

We have on occasion rambunctious little kids around (one is on the
autistic spectrum - luckily, improving in social skills very much
lately). Therefore I'd hate the combination of flames and flammable
liquids around in my home. Other than that, I love hurricane lanterns.
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

"HeyBub" wrote in
:

Steve Barker wrote:
On 10/29/2011 7:14 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Lets hope they are OK. Sounds miserable. Hope the wall
street infestation packs up and goes home.


what is the cause of this alleged outage?

Do you mean the reason for the protest? It doesn't need one.

I commend for your reading a slim volume entitled "The True Believer"
by Eric Hoffer. In it you'll find that a movement need not really have
a reason. Some basic rules of mass movement, as I recall, a

* A mass movement can succeed without a god, but it will fail without
a devil. It must have something to hate.
* People join mass movements as a substitute for their own meaningless
lives. Being part of a movement gives them a reason for existing.
* People join mass movements to escape individual responsibility.

And, I would add, in the case of the "Occupy" protests, another couple
of reasons:

* There's also the weed and the sex.

Sometimes I like your reasoning. Sometimes I do not.

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Han
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In article , "MarkK"
wrote:

why can a high level ceo that has a company limo take pick him up and take
him to /from work deduct the cost of the limo and the driver and the gas and
the maintenance.....

but

an ordinary working stiff CANNOT deduct commuting costs.

I am not sure that he can, although I am willing to be corrected. My
understanding is that the COMPANY can, but that is then viewed as income
or at least part of his pay package. I *THINK* he (or she) might
actually be taxed on that.
However since I don't have this particular perk, I am not 100% sure
(g).


why is that fair?

this is just a small but specific example of how the rules of the game are
slanted to help the very rich get richer...

Mark

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People thought cybersex was a safe alternative,
until patients started presenting with sexually
acquired carpal tunnel syndrome.-Howard Berkowitz

On 10/31/2011 7:47 AM, Kurt Ullman wrote:
In ,
wrote:

why can a high level ceo that has a company limo take pick him up and take
him to /from work deduct the cost of the limo and the driver and the gas and
the maintenance.....

but

an ordinary working stiff CANNOT deduct commuting costs.

I am not sure that he can, although I am willing to be corrected. My
understanding is that the COMPANY can, but that is then viewed as income
or at least part of his pay package. I *THINK* he (or she) might
actually be taxed on that.
However since I don't have this particular perk, I am not 100% sure
(g).


why is that fair?

this is just a small but specific example of how the rules of the game are
slanted to help the very rich get richer...

Mark

When you get to the level where they have company cars pick them up,
they are assumed to be working during the commute. BlackBerry means you
are never alone. And for the uber-executives, the driver is often also a
bodyguard, mandated by the insurance carrier. The company treats
executive transportation and protection as a business expense.


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aem sends...

On 10/30/2011 4:53 PM, Kurt Ullman wrote:

The Democrat Congress at the time (although the final votes were
fairly bipartisan) decided that Executive Compensation was getting out
of hand and they Must Put A Stop To That. So, they effectively capped
the salary of the top executives at a $1 million dollars by making that
the top amount that could be deducted (BTW: If you look at the annual
reports you will see that even to today most salaries are around a $1
million or so).

There seems to be a strong, almost ubiquitous correlation between right
wing political affiliation and insufficient intelligence to master basic
English grammar. A "Democrat" is a person who is a member of the
Democratic Party. The word "Democrat" is a noun. When describing the
characteristics of a noun, in your example "Congress", we use
adjectives, i.e., "Democratic Congress".

Or are you all so petty that your best weapon is to intentionally be
irritating rather than rational?

In article , Peter
wrote:


There seems to be a strong, almost ubiquitous correlation between right
wing political affiliation and insufficient intelligence to master basic
English grammar. A "Democrat" is a person who is a member of the
Democratic Party. The word "Democrat" is a noun. When describing the
characteristics of a noun, in your example "Congress", we use
adjectives, i.e., "Democratic Congress".

Or are you all so petty that your best weapon is to intentionally be
irritating rather than rational?
Hey, you can't pick apart the logic, play Spelling Cop.

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People thought cybersex was a safe alternative,
until patients started presenting with sexually
acquired carpal tunnel syndrome.-Howard Berkowitz

Some people I used to know. Their answer to the power cut in
Buffalo in 2006 was to ask their home mortgage company for a
payment holliday, so they could buy a generator. I kept
telling them of some simple things they could do, but they
weren't hearing me. They do not have common sense. You do.

During winter power cuts, put the cold food in the cold
trunk of the car.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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"Han" wrote in message
...

We were using a propane camping light, and LED flaslights.
Will go and
buy 1 or 2 propane ceramic heating stoves tomorrow. With
that I think we
could withstand several days of no power, and it's
comsidrably cheaper
than a $1000 generator. We used a rather big camping cooler
with ice for
the perishables.

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Best regards
Han
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