Lets hope they are OK. Sounds miserable. Hope the wall
street infestation packs up and goes home.

--
Christopher A. Young
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STATE COLLEGE, Pa. - An unusually early and powerful
nor'easter dumped wet, heavy snow Saturday from the
mid-Atlantic to New England, toppling leafy trees and power
lines and knocking out electricity to more than 2 million
homes and businesses.

eastern Pennsylvania serving as the bull's-eye.
West Milford, N.J., about 45 miles northwest of New York
City, had received 15.5 inches of snow by Saturday night
Plainfield, Mass., had gotten 14.3 inches.
New York City's Central Park set a record for both the date
and the month of October with 1.3 inches of snow.

More than 2.2 million customers lost power from Maryland
north through Massachusetts. More than half a million
residents in New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Connecticut were
without power, including New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie.

By late Saturday, the storm had vacated most of Pennsylvania
and was tracking northeast.

Throughout the region, officials had warned that the early
storm would bring sticky snow and could create dangerous
conditions. New Jersey, Connecticut and Massachusetts
declared states of emergencies.

Wind gusts of up to 55 mph were predicted especially along
coastal areas.


the severity caught them by surprise.
"This is absolutely a lot more snow than I expected to see
today. ,"

The storm disrupted travel. Airports all had hours long
delays Saturday. Amtrak suspended service between
Philadelphia and Harrisburg, Pa.

Residents were urged to avoid travel altogether. Speed
limits were reduced on bridges between New Jersey and
Pennsylvania. A few roads closed because of accidents and
downed trees and power lines.

In eastern Pennsylvania, snow toppled trees and a few power
lines and led to minor traffic accidents, according to
dispatchers.

The last major widespread snowstorm to hit Pennsylvania this
early was in 1972

Jersey Central Power & Light, which was heavily criticized
for being too slow to restore power following Hurricane
Irene, had hundreds of workers set to be deployed.

Parts of New York saw a mix of snow, rain and slush that
made for sheer misery at the Occupy Wall Street encampment
in New York City, where drenched protesters hunkered down in
tents and under tarps as the plaza filled with rainwater and
melted snow. [serves em right, the bums.]

Two Vermont ski resorts, Killington and Mount Snow, started
the ski season early by opening one trail each over the
weekend, thanks to the recent snow and cold. Maine's Sunday
River ski resort also opened for the weekend.

In State College, 14-year-old Mac Charvala and his brother
Will, 10, of South Orange, N.J., were using new body boards
to slide along an inch of slushy snow covering a parking
lot.
"We've never been to a snow game before," said their father,
Mike. "It's an adventure. If you don't want to have fun,
stay home."

On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 22:14:31 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Lets hope they are OK. Sounds miserable. Hope the wall
street infestation packs up and goes home.


W rarely lose power, but we were out for about five hours tonight.
Others may be days. Crews are out, but witht he high winds they
cannot do so much yet.

Sorry to hear you were without power. What did you do, in
response? Light candles, or what?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Ed Pawlowskio" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 22:14:31 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Lets hope they are OK. Sounds miserable. Hope the wall
street infestation packs up and goes home.


W rarely lose power, but we were out for about five hours
tonight.
Others may be days. Crews are out, but witht he high winds
they
cannot do so much yet.

On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 09:20:10 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Sorry to hear you were without power. What did you do, in
response? Light candles, or what?


Lit a couple of kerosene lamps. They give enough light tog et by for
hours. We have a gas stove so cooking is not a problem either. I
was going to bed early, blew out the light, and the power came back
on.

Thanks for the field report. Glad you are common sense, and
practical fellow.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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..


"Ed Pawlowskio" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 09:20:10 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Sorry to hear you were without power. What did you do, in
response? Light candles, or what?


Lit a couple of kerosene lamps. They give enough light tog
et by for
hours. We have a gas stove so cooking is not a problem
either. I
was going to bed early, blew out the light, and the power
came back
on.

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in
:

Thanks for the field report. Glad you are common sense, and
practical fellow.

"Ed Pawlowskio" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 09:20:10 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Sorry to hear you were without power. What did you do, in
response? Light candles, or what?


Lit a couple of kerosene lamps. They give enough light to
get by for hours. We have a gas stove so cooking is not a
problem either. I was going to bed early, blew out the light, and the
power came back on.

We were using a propane camping light, and LED flaslights. Will go and
buy 1 or 2 propane ceramic heating stoves tomorrow. With that I think we
could withstand several days of no power, and it's comsidrably cheaper
than a $1000 generator. We used a rather big camping cooler with ice for
the perishables.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

On 10/30/2011 9:20 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Sorry to hear you were without power. What did you do, in
response? Light candles, or what?


Here, without internet for a couple of hours this morning.
Worse concern of wife was burned out bulb in bathroom fixture.

I think you need immediate federal aid. A couple million to
start.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Frank" wrote in message
...
On 10/30/2011 9:20 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Sorry to hear you were without power. What did you do, in
response? Light candles, or what?


Here, without internet for a couple of hours this morning.
Worse concern of wife was burned out bulb in bathroom
fixture.

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in news:j8kf6k
:

I think you need immediate federal aid. A couple million to
start.

We were without power for 24 hrs. Many in 07410 and surrounding still are.
In my estimation tree damage compares to Irene, but most trees didn't come
down - just many smaller and bigger branches. Some trees are likely too
damaged to survive. We only had 4-5 inches total, and less was on the
ground at the end, but the damage is indeed bad. Many power lines down
because of fallen tree branches.
While asking for federal aid has been bantered about in NJ, I'm not sure
that will be necessary. I think that federal aid is mostly (low cost)
loans, and other than spoiled food and lost sales, most damage is in being
without power or from tree loss, not something for federal aid IMO.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

On Oct 29, 10:14*pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
Lets hope they are OK.

Why?

Sounds miserable.

I was just asking myself what you thought about the weather.

Hope the wall
street infestation packs up and goes home.

Why, is that what Jesus would do...?
-----

- gpsman

On Oct 30, 8:48*am, gpsman wrote:
On Oct 29, 10:14*pm, "Stormin Mormon"

wrote:
Lets hope they are OK.

Why?

Sounds miserable.

I was just asking myself what you thought about the weather.

Hope the wall
street infestation packs up and goes home.

Why, is that what Jesus would do...?
*-----

- gpsman


Jesus? Ain't he the feller long ago that used to sponge off of rich
married women all the time? Talk about a person that didn't want to
work a real job. If one believed the conservative rhetoric about
Liberals, shouldn't Jesus be our biggest hero?

-C-

I think you mean the guy with the Spanish accent
who mows my lawn.

The Jesus of the Bible was a carpenter, like Joseph,
his father. He earned his keep.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Country" wrote in message
...

Jesus? Ain't he the feller long ago that used to sponge off
of rich
married women all the time? Talk about a person that didn't
want to
work a real job. If one believed the conservative rhetoric
about
Liberals, shouldn't Jesus be our biggest hero?

-C-

In article ,
Stormin Mormon wrote:
I think you mean the guy with the Spanish accent
who mows my lawn.

The Jesus of the Bible was a carpenter, like Joseph,
his father. He earned his keep.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.


"Country" wrote in message
...

Jesus? Ain't he the feller long ago that used to sponge off
of rich
married women all the time? Talk about a person that didn't
want to
work a real job. If one believed the conservative rhetoric
about
Liberals, shouldn't Jesus be our biggest hero?

-C-



Is that the same Jesus who provided fish and bread to hungry people simply
because they were needy?


--
Often wrong, never in doubt.

Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org

Yes, created entitlement in unprepared welfare bums.

--
Christopher A. Young
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..


"Larry W" wrote in message
...

Is that the same Jesus who provided fish and bread to hungry
people simply
because they were needy?


--
Often wrong, never in doubt.

Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf.
lonestar. org

On 10/30/2011 10:46 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

The Jesus of the Bible was a carpenter, like Joseph,
his father. He earned his keep.


Earning their keep is exactly what most of the protesters want to do.
Most are unemployed or under-employed through no fault of their own.
They want jobs that pay a living wage and the restoration of what this
country once stood for and made possible for almost all of our immigrant
ancestors: a fair opportunity to make the most of their abilities and
ambitions.

Many are college grads with tens of thousands of dollars of education
debts and no job prospects to live a dignified life - much less pay back
those loans. They are not looking for a handout, just a social system
that is not strongly rigged against the majority of the citizenry. Stop
listening to the ignorant conservative wing-nuts and learn the facts.

Peter wrote:
On 10/30/2011 10:46 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

The Jesus of the Bible was a carpenter, like Joseph,
his father. He earned his keep.


Earning their keep is exactly what most of the protesters want to do.
Most are unemployed or under-employed through no fault of their own.
They want jobs that pay a living wage and the restoration of what this
country once stood for and made possible for almost all of our immigrant
ancestors: a fair opportunity to make the most of their abilities and
ambitions.

Many are college grads with tens of thousands of dollars of education
debts and no job prospects to live a dignified life - much less pay back
those loans. They are not looking for a handout, just a social system
that is not strongly rigged against the majority of the citizenry. Stop
listening to the ignorant conservative wing-nuts and learn the facts.


http://www.alternet.org/economy/1526...s/?page=entire

They would be better off in Washington, protesting for
repeal of the over regulation. The what I've heard of the
OWS crowd, they are liberals to the core.

BTW, I'm an ignorant right wing nut.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Peter"
wrote in message ...

They are not looking for a handout, just a social system
that is not strongly rigged against the majority of the
citizenry. Stop
listening to the ignorant conservative wing-nuts and learn
the facts.

On Oct 30, 2:46*pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
I think you mean the guy with the Spanish accent
who mows my lawn.

The Jesus of the Bible was a carpenter, like Joseph,
his father. He earned his keep.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
*www.lds.org
.

"Country" wrote in message

...

Jesus? Ain't he the feller long ago that used to sponge off
of rich
married women all the time? Talk about a person that didn't
want to
work a real job. If one believed the conservative rhetoric
about
Liberals, shouldn't Jesus be our biggest hero?

-C-

A mistranslation of the Greek. He was a "tecton" (Handyman/builder).
As are you?

On 10/29/2011 7:14 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Lets hope they are OK. Sounds miserable. Hope the wall
street infestation packs up and goes home.


what is the cause of this alleged outage?

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

Steve Barker wrote:
On 10/29/2011 7:14 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Lets hope they are OK. Sounds miserable. Hope the wall
street infestation packs up and goes home.


what is the cause of this alleged outage?

Do you mean the reason for the protest? It doesn't need one.

I commend for your reading a slim volume entitled "The True Believer" by
Eric Hoffer. In it you'll find that a movement need not really have a
reason. Some basic rules of mass movement, as I recall, a

* A mass movement can succeed without a god, but it will fail without a
devil. It must have something to hate.
* People join mass movements as a substitute for their own meaningless
lives. Being part of a movement gives them a reason for existing.
* People join mass movements to escape individual responsibility.

And, I would add, in the case of the "Occupy" protests, another couple of
reasons:

* There's also the weed and the sex.

"HeyBub" wrote in
:

Steve Barker wrote:
On 10/29/2011 7:14 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Lets hope they are OK. Sounds miserable. Hope the wall
street infestation packs up and goes home.


what is the cause of this alleged outage?

Do you mean the reason for the protest? It doesn't need one.

I commend for your reading a slim volume entitled "The True Believer"
by Eric Hoffer. In it you'll find that a movement need not really have
a reason. Some basic rules of mass movement, as I recall, a

* A mass movement can succeed without a god, but it will fail without
a devil. It must have something to hate.
* People join mass movements as a substitute for their own meaningless
lives. Being part of a movement gives them a reason for existing.
* People join mass movements to escape individual responsibility.

And, I would add, in the case of the "Occupy" protests, another couple
of reasons:

* There's also the weed and the sex.

Sometimes I like your reasoning. Sometimes I do not.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

Snow storm, pulling down trees and wires. That's the cause
of the alleged outage which is reported to have cut power to
2.2 million people who some say exist.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Steve Barker" wrote in message
...
On 10/29/2011 7:14 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Lets hope they are OK. Sounds miserable. Hope the wall
street infestation packs up and goes home.


what is the cause of this alleged outage?

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

My mother's place in CT went 7+ days without utility power. I got up
there Tuesday evening, cleared the trees from the driveway and got the
generator going. Spent the next couple days removing more trees /
branches and patching two holes in the roof where big branches hit.
About 10pm Sat evening a crew from MO was by and repaired the damaged
drop (snapped neutral), and a few hours later they had repaired enough
along the street to get power back on. All in all one of the nastier CT
storms in my 41 years of experience, but there have been similar in the
past so it's certainly not unprecedented.

I'm glad there are good men such as yourself. Who come to
the aid of their family.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Pete C." wrote in message
.com...

My mother's place in CT went 7+ days without utility power.
I got up
there Tuesday evening, cleared the trees from the driveway
and got the
generator going. Spent the next couple days removing more
trees /
branches and patching two holes in the roof where big
branches hit.
About 10pm Sat evening a crew from MO was by and repaired
the damaged
drop (snapped neutral), and a few hours later they had
repaired enough
along the street to get power back on. All in all one of the
nastier CT
storms in my 41 years of experience, but there have been
similar in the
past so it's certainly not unprecedented.

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in news:j9e1q7
:

I'm glad there are good men such as yourself. Who come to
the aid of their family.

I second that statement. We are all in this together, and we need to help
our communities.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

Family and church, I'll pitch in to help. Neighbors, prefer
to teach them skills and let them help themselves. I don't
want to be everyone's welfare agency. The rally cry should
be "get to work", not "Get Chris over here to fix it".

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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..


"Han" wrote in message
...

I second that statement. We are all in this together, and
we need to help
our communities.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

On Wed, 9 Nov 2011 09:42:41 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Family and church, I'll pitch in to help. Neighbors, prefer
to teach them skills and let them help themselves. I don't
want to be everyone's welfare agency. The rally cry should
be "get to work", not "Get Chris over here to fix it".

--

If possible, that's true. But some call me for computer help and I
don't really expect them to learn much of what I do. That's why it's
my job. If I can teach them to do it themselves, fine, but for them
it's an appliance. For me, a career.

Doesn't get me free new cabinets though.

Stormin Mormon wrote:

I'm glad there are good men such as yourself. Who come to
the aid of their family.

After things were stabilized there, we bailed out and I moved her down
to Texas. We'll go up in the spring to finish the move and sell the
place. Texas is *way* better than Connecticut.


--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"Pete C." wrote in message
.com...

My mother's place in CT went 7+ days without utility power.
I got up
there Tuesday evening, cleared the trees from the driveway
and got the
generator going. Spent the next couple days removing more
trees /
branches and patching two holes in the roof where big
branches hit.
About 10pm Sat evening a crew from MO was by and repaired
the damaged
drop (snapped neutral), and a few hours later they had
repaired enough
along the street to get power back on. All in all one of the
nastier CT
storms in my 41 years of experience, but there have been
similar in the
past so it's certainly not unprecedented.

"Pete C." wrote in
.com:


My mother's place in CT went 7+ days without utility power. I got up
there Tuesday evening, cleared the trees from the driveway and got the
generator going. Spent the next couple days removing more trees /
branches and patching two holes in the roof where big branches hit.
About 10pm Sat evening a crew from MO was by and repaired the damaged
drop (snapped neutral), and a few hours later they had repaired enough
along the street to get power back on. All in all one of the nastier CT
storms in my 41 years of experience, but there have been similar in the
past so it's certainly not unprecedented.


Here in Florida,utilities trim trees away from power lines well before
hurricane season begins. Preparedness.

did Northeast utilities NOT expect winter storms to bring down tree
branches and down power lines?
After all,this was just an early storm. tree branches would have caused
troubles anyways,just later on.

BTW,I went without power for 7 days in Aug 2004,after Hurricane Charlie.
(in steamy Florida,90+ temps and humidity every day.
Other buildings in my apartment complex were without power for 30 days,they
had a meter panel short out from water blown into it.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

I'm curious some of the techniques you used to adjust, and
cope. Did the cold water stay on? Do your windows open?
Battery fan?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Jim Yanik" wrote in message
4...

Here in Florida,utilities trim trees away from power lines
well before
hurricane season begins. Preparedness.

did Northeast utilities NOT expect winter storms to bring
down tree
branches and down power lines?
After all,this was just an early storm. tree branches would
have caused
troubles anyways,just later on.

BTW,I went without power for 7 days in Aug 2004,after
Hurricane Charlie.
(in steamy Florida,90+ temps and humidity every day.
Other buildings in my apartment complex were without power
for 30 days,they
had a meter panel short out from water blown into it.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

Jim Yanik wrote in
4:

Here in Florida,utilities trim trees away from power lines well before
hurricane season begins. Preparedness.

They do spmoe of that here in NJ. AAMOF, they had just severely (and in
a very ugly way) trimmed trees away from a major power transmission line
along Pollitt Drive and the railroad (diesel trains).

did Northeast utilities NOT expect winter storms to bring down tree
branches and down power lines?
After all,this was just an early storm. tree branches would have
caused troubles anyways,just later on.

Yes, and no. Almost all our trees were still in full leaf. The damage
was "solely" due to the trees unable to support the weight of the heavy
wet snow on the fully leafed branches.

BTW,I went without power for 7 days in Aug 2004,after Hurricane
Charlie. (in steamy Florida,90+ temps and humidity every day.
Other buildings in my apartment complex were without power for 30
days,they had a meter panel short out from water blown into it.

I'm not relishing being without power when it's hot and humid, but
without power when it is really cold scares me.


--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 08:33:35 -0600, Jim Yanik wrote:

"Pete C." wrote in
s.com:


My mother's place in CT went 7+ days without utility power. I got up
there Tuesday evening, cleared the trees from the driveway and got the
generator going. Spent the next couple days removing more trees /
branches and patching two holes in the roof where big branches hit.
About 10pm Sat evening a crew from MO was by and repaired the damaged
drop (snapped neutral), and a few hours later they had repaired enough
along the street to get power back on. All in all one of the nastier CT
storms in my 41 years of experience, but there have been similar in the
past so it's certainly not unprecedented.


Here in Florida,utilities trim trees away from power lines well before
hurricane season begins. Preparedness.

did Northeast utilities NOT expect winter storms to bring down tree
branches and down power lines?
After all,this was just an early storm. tree branches would have caused
troubles anyways,just later on.

No, it wasn't "just an early storm". Significant snow storms early enough to
have the trees still in full leaf are fairly rare. Once the leaves are off
the trees they're fine for 10x the storm; nothing to stick to.

BTW,I went without power for 7 days in Aug 2004,after Hurricane Charlie.
(in steamy Florida,90+ temps and humidity every day.

That's a little different than being without power when it's below freezing.
BTDT.

Other buildings in my apartment complex were without power for 30 days,they
had a meter panel short out from water blown into it.

Yes, when I lived in NY we had a foot of wet, sloppy, snow on Oct 4 (my son's
9th birthday). We were without power for three days. Some, living in less
populated areas were without for a month. Several years later a three-day ice
storm in VT caused widespread outages, for some, weeks. We lived just high
enough (100' mattered) that it melted during the day so didn't build up. We
were *very* lucky to escape without interruption that time.

Jim Yanik writes:

"Pete C." wrote in
.com:


My mother's place in CT went 7+ days without utility power. I got up
there Tuesday evening, cleared the trees from the driveway and got the
generator going. Spent the next couple days removing more trees /
branches and patching two holes in the roof where big branches hit.
About 10pm Sat evening a crew from MO was by and repaired the damaged
drop (snapped neutral), and a few hours later they had repaired enough
along the street to get power back on. All in all one of the nastier CT
storms in my 41 years of experience, but there have been similar in the
past so it's certainly not unprecedented.


Here in Florida,utilities trim trees away from power lines well before
hurricane season begins. Preparedness.

did Northeast utilities NOT expect winter storms to bring down tree
branches and down power lines?
After all,this was just an early storm. tree branches would have caused
troubles anyways,just later on.

I was out of power for 6 days (NJ).
Just last summer the town sent crews throughout the town removing
branches and trees near power lines.

Snow on trees with leaves and you have a first class disaster.

I took a walk and was impressed by how many people had generators
with power lines running over to neighbors houses.

My neighbor did the same for me. In turn I showed him how to
hook the generator to the furnace instead of the space heaters
he was using. Also bought the gas.

Our power was restored by Ohio Edison.

A good example of people helping other people.

--
Dan Espen

I'm glad some folks shared. That's neighborly. During my
year 2003 power cut, one neighbor ran space heaters off a
generator. I told him that was ineffective use of power.
Offered to wire his furnace, but he refused. You were kind
to offer, and your neighbor was wise to accept.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


wrote in message
...

I was out of power for 6 days (NJ).
Just last summer the town sent crews throughout the town
removing
branches and trees near power lines.

Snow on trees with leaves and you have a first class
disaster.

I took a walk and was impressed by how many people had
generators
with power lines running over to neighbors houses.

My neighbor did the same for me. In turn I showed him how
to
hook the generator to the furnace instead of the space
heaters
he was using. Also bought the gas.

Our power was restored by Ohio Edison.

A good example of people helping other people.

--
Dan Espen

"Stormin Mormon" writes:

I'm glad some folks shared. That's neighborly. During my
year 2003 power cut, one neighbor ran space heaters off a
generator.
I told him that was ineffective use of power.
Offered to wire his furnace, but he refused. You were kind
to offer, and your neighbor was wise to accept.

I never had access to a generator before but after a few hours
it occurred to me that a space heater was the wrong way to go.

My guess is that the pump on a hot water system takes a lot
less power than a space heater.

--
Dan Espen

On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 08:33:35 -0600, Jim Yanik
wrote:




did Northeast utilities NOT expect winter storms to bring down tree
branches and down power lines?
After all,this was just an early storm. tree branches would have caused
troubles anyways,just later on.


The branches still have leaves and the snow was wet and heavy. Normal
winter, it is not a problem. We just had a tropical storm that took
down many branches and trees too!

The other problem is the utility commission. CL&P wanted to increase
their budget for tree trimming, but the UC shot it down. Lots of
blame to go around.

We should not be planting trees so close to lines either.

Ed Pawlowski wrote in
:


We should not be planting trees so close to lines either.


the trees were probably there long before the power lines.

Winter Park,Florida is smart;
they have LOTS of big,old oak trees,so they bury their power lines.
People did not want to get rid of the great canopy of trees.
After the hurricanes,they still had power. they still had some trees blow
down though,blocking streets.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

Should have burried the streets, also.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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..


"Jim Yanik" wrote in message
...

the trees were probably there long before the power lines.

Winter Park,Florida is smart;
they have LOTS of big,old oak trees,so they bury their power
lines.
People did not want to get rid of the great canopy of trees.
After the hurricanes,they still had power. they still had
some trees blow
down though,blocking streets.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

Jim Yanik wrote:

"Pete C." wrote in
.com:


My mother's place in CT went 7+ days without utility power. I got up
there Tuesday evening, cleared the trees from the driveway and got the
generator going. Spent the next couple days removing more trees /
branches and patching two holes in the roof where big branches hit.
About 10pm Sat evening a crew from MO was by and repaired the damaged
drop (snapped neutral), and a few hours later they had repaired enough
along the street to get power back on. All in all one of the nastier CT
storms in my 41 years of experience, but there have been similar in the
past so it's certainly not unprecedented.


Here in Florida,utilities trim trees away from power lines well before
hurricane season begins. Preparedness.

did Northeast utilities NOT expect winter storms to bring down tree
branches and down power lines?
After all,this was just an early storm. tree branches would have caused
troubles anyways,just later on.

BTW,I went without power for 7 days in Aug 2004,after Hurricane Charlie.
(in steamy Florida,90+ temps and humidity every day.
Other buildings in my apartment complex were without power for 30 days,they
had a meter panel short out from water blown into it.

They routinely trim trees in CT, however this storm was early season
when there were leaves on the trees, the trees were weaker since they
were not frozen and the snow was wet, heavy and sticky. It took down
whole trees that crashed through the lines even though the branches on
them had been trimmed back clear of the lines. I saw a place with a
steep hill back from the poles, and trees back there far from the poles
fell over through the lines and smashed everything to the ground,
shattered cross arms, insulators and even the phone lines all on the
ground.

"Pete C." wrote in message
.com...

My mother's place in CT went 7+ days without utility power. I got up
there Tuesday evening, cleared the trees from the driveway and got the
generator going. Spent the next couple days removing more trees /
branches and patching two holes in the roof where big branches hit.
About 10pm Sat evening a crew from MO was by and repaired the damaged
drop (snapped neutral), and a few hours later they had repaired enough
along the street to get power back on. All in all one of the nastier CT
storms in my 41 years of experience, but there have been similar in the
past so it's certainly not unprecedented.

Isn't it time for a rethink of this problem? The 3-wire electric lines to
homes in the U.S. is sometimes called an "Edison Connection" because it
dates from Edison's time. The same for the poles, transformers and other
local distribution equipment. All of it sensitive to wind, snow, ice,
falling trees, etc. I think we can do better.

Also, does it make sense for local utilities, with aid from other utilities
depending upon the size of the disaster, to be expected to handle the
massive repair task. Maybe that should be done with a large regional pool
of equipment and people that's set up to get places fast.

What we know is that these disasters seem to be coming more frequently and
increasing numbers of people are being put at risk and hardship -- and it's
costing a lot of money. That says we should be thinking of better ways to
address the problem.

TKM