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In addition to the bedroom I will be remodeling that I mentioned in
another thread, I am also going to remodel another room to use as a small recording studio. What's the best process and materials to sound proof the room? Any good web sites out there that explains how to do it? I will also post on a couple of the recording newsgroups too. Thanks, David |
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"hibb" wrote in message ... In addition to the bedroom I will be remodeling that I mentioned in another thread, I am also going to remodel another room to use as a small recording studio. What's the best process and materials to sound proof the room? Any good web sites out there that explains how to do it? I will also post on a couple of the recording newsgroups too. Thanks, David I don't know the first thing about it, but on most pictures of recording studios I have seen, there appears to be a gray foam rubber on the walls that looks like egg crate. Start Googling, and I bet you have a good idea in less than ten minutes. Then get your input from the other newsgroups and pick yer pony. Steve |
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On Sep 30, 10:30*am, hibb wrote:
In addition to the bedroom I will be remodeling that I mentioned in another thread, I am also going to remodel another room to use as a small recording studio. What's the best process and materials to sound proof the room? Any good web sites out there that explains how to do it? I will also post on a couple of the recording newsgroups too. There are many good web sites, and you can search the newsgroup's archives for many threads on the topic. In a nutshell, sound travels by different mechanisms and the best method(s) for your particular situation will depend on the noise source, the current construction and location, and where you are trying to reduce the sound level. R |
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On Sep 30, 9:30*am, hibb wrote:
In addition to the bedroom I will be remodeling that I mentioned in another thread, I am also going to remodel another room to use as a small recording studio. What's the best process and materials to sound proof the room? Any good web sites out there that explains how to do it? I will also post on a couple of the recording newsgroups too. Thanks, David Build a isolated dual wall system using 2x4 studs on 2x6 top and bottom plates, frame the "outside wall" oc 16 inches like normal, frame the "inside wall" oc 16 inches but offset the first stud by 8 inches. Drywall out and in with 5/8 drywall, some add another layer of drywall in the middle cavity fastened to the backside of the "outside" wall. This is the only reasonable way to isolate a room. Mass and/or mechanical isolation stops sound (not foam). Foam is used to treat reflections and absorb bass modes within the room. As for the "gray egg crates" mentioned in another post, real egg cartons are a fallicy seen in movies, they do nothing and are a BIG fire hazard, wont pass inspection. Open cell polyurethane foam is also a HUGE fire hazard, actually worse than egg cartons. The only class A fire rated material excellent for internal reflection control and for controling bass modes and boominess is rigid fiberglass panels (google Manville rigid fiberglass, whispertone, etc). Buy the rigid fierglass, cut panels, and upholster the panels in your favorite decorator fabric with a hot iron and spray glue, then hang them strategically based on SPL measurements taken with a tone sweep generator and real time room analyzer till you get flat frequency responce in the room. Another thing to consider is the heating duct work to the room if you have forced air heat (and AC). This will be the biggest nuisance, a heating contractor can flare the ducts to be quieter and isolate the furnace vibration from transmitting into the duct work. Also google "resilient strips" for hanging the ceiling drywall if you want to soundfroof the ceiling from the joists, again isolation is solving the problem (not foam or insulation). Google how to build the dual wall system I described above, it works great and only adds 2 inches to a wall thickness. You could put insulation in the walls but it will have little effect, however isolation and/or mass works best, so a dual wall with 5/8 or 3/4 inch drywall gets you more bang for the buck than insulation, a third layer of drywall in the cavity will make it super quiet. I have a home recording studio too. |
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"hibb" wrote in message ... In addition to the bedroom I will be remodeling that I mentioned in another thread, I am also going to remodel another room to use as a small recording studio. What's the best process and materials to sound proof the room? Any good web sites out there that explains how to do it? I will also post on a couple of the recording newsgroups too. Thanks, David we used egg carton halves tacked all over the walls in the old days. |
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On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 07:30:26 -0700 (PDT), hibb
wrote: In addition to the bedroom I will be remodeling that I mentioned in another thread, I am also going to remodel another room to use as a small recording studio. What's the best process and materials to sound proof the room? Any good web sites out there that explains how to do it? I will also post on a couple of the recording newsgroups too. Thanks, David Double staggered stud walls, packed with Roxul Safe and Sound rock wool, with 5.8" GP DensArmor drywall on the studio side, fastened with construction adhesive and screws. Inner stud wall isolated from floor and ceiling with strips od Styrofoam SM or DriCore, and floor on SM Sheet. Ceiling insulated with Roxul and suspended - either accousic tile or heavy drywall(The dens-armor is a bitch to put on a ceiling but it will not resonate, drum, or retransmit. |
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In addition to the bedroom I will be remodeling that I mentioned in another thread, I am also going to remodel another room to use as a small recording studio. What's the best process and materials to sound proof the room? Any good web sites out there that explains how to do it? I will also post on a couple of the recording newsgroups too. Thanks, David Green Glue. You use two layers of drywall with a bead of Green Glue between. It dampens vibrations. I don't think there's another product like it. |
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Spray foam insulation to stop all air exchange, air movement carries
noise. theres special drywall that doesnt conduct sound..... and special acoustic tiles too. there are pros that design such rooms. care should be taken some foam is highly flammable |
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hibb wrote:
In addition to the bedroom I will be remodeling that I mentioned in another thread, I am also going to remodel another room to use as a small recording studio. What's the best process and materials to sound proof the room? Any good web sites out there that explains how to do it? I will also post on a couple of the recording newsgroups too. Thanks, David Are you trying to keep sound from coming in from outside, or keep the sounds you'll make inside from annoying others outside, or both? Either way, low frequencies usually cause the most trouble. Try to uncouple instruments (or amplifiers) and mic stands from the floor, chunks of thick (and dense) foam underneath them helps. I've seen people hang carpet on the walls to absorb sound, stuff windows full of foam and so on. But those low frequencies don't care much, it's like bone-conduction, it seems to come right through the structure of the building. You'll also probably want to deaden the room a bit to keep sound from bouncing around too much, carpeting and thick drapes helps a lot with that. It's worth noting that professional studios are either purpose-built or are extensively modified for that role, there doesn't seem to be anything like a "spray on" solution. Lots of ideas out there however.... http://www.audimutesoundproofing.com...ng-studio.aspx http://arts.ucsc.edu/EMS/Music/tech_.../teces_14.html http://www.petethomas.co.uk/home-soundproofing.html http://www.soundprooffoam.com/Quick_...ce_Studio.html http://www.soundproofingamerica.com/ |
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On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 07:30:26 -0700 (PDT), hibb
wrote: In addition to the bedroom I will be remodeling that I mentioned in another thread, I am also going to remodel another room to use as a small recording studio. What's the best process and materials to sound proof the room? Any good web sites out there that explains how to do it? I will also post on a couple of the recording newsgroups too. Thanks, David Checkout: http://www.soundproofing.org/ |
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On Sep 30, 7:20*pm, "Don Phillipson" wrote:
"hibb" wrote in message .... In addition to the bedroom I will be remodeling that I mentioned in another thread, I am also going to remodel another room to use as a small recording studio. What's the best process and materials to sound proof the room? "SteveB" wrote in message ... I don't know the first thing about it, but on most pictures of recording studios I have seen, there appears to be a gray foam rubber on the walls that looks like egg crate. This is an anechoic chamber, best for single human voices but terrible for music and audibly poor for theatre etc. * The OP's need is more probably to exclude noises from outside the room. * This might be done by thick interior curtains. -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) Yes. Since I need to replace the drywall, I was only thinking about soundproofing the room from outside noises for now. I can address any acoustic problems within the room as needed. Thanks, David |
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On Sep 30, 9:33*pm, bob haller wrote:
Spray foam insulation to stop all air exchange, air movement carries noise. theres special drywall that doesnt conduct sound..... and special acoustic tiles too. there are pros that design such rooms. care should be taken some foam is highly flammable Thanks for the tip on some of the foam being highly flammable. I will check into different types of drywall and insulation. |
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On Sep 30, 12:08*pm, windcrest wrote:
On Sep 30, 9:30*am, hibb wrote: In addition to the bedroom I will be remodeling that I mentioned in another thread, I am also going to remodel another room to use as a small recording studio. What's the best process and materials to sound proof the room? Any good web sites out there that explains how to do it? I will also post on a couple of the recording newsgroups too. Thanks, David Build a isolated dual wall system using 2x4 studs on 2x6 top and bottom plates, frame the "outside wall" oc 16 inches like normal, frame the "inside wall" oc 16 inches but offset the first stud by 8 inches. *Drywall out and in with 5/8 drywall, some add another layer of drywall in the middle cavity fastened to the backside of the "outside" wall. *This is the only reasonable way to isolate a room. Mass and/or mechanical isolation stops sound (not foam). *Foam is used to treat reflections and absorb bass modes within the room. *As for the "gray egg crates" mentioned in another post, real egg cartons are a fallicy seen in movies, they do nothing and are a BIG fire hazard, wont pass inspection. *Open cell polyurethane foam is also a HUGE fire hazard, actually worse than egg cartons. *The only class A fire rated material excellent for internal reflection control and for controling bass modes and boominess is rigid fiberglass panels (google Manville rigid fiberglass, whispertone, etc). *Buy the rigid fierglass, cut panels, and upholster the panels in your favorite decorator fabric with a hot iron and spray glue, then hang them strategically based on SPL measurements taken with a tone sweep generator and real time room analyzer till you get flat frequency responce in the room. *Another thing to consider is the heating duct work to the room if you have forced air heat (and AC). *This will be the biggest nuisance, a heating contractor can flare the ducts to be quieter and isolate the furnace vibration from transmitting into the duct work. *Also google "resilient strips" for hanging the ceiling drywall if you want to soundfroof the ceiling from the joists, again isolation is solving the problem (not foam or insulation). *Google how to build the dual wall system I described above, it works great and only adds 2 inches to a wall thickness. *You could put insulation in the walls but it will have little effect, however isolation and/or mass works best, so a dual wall with 5/8 or 3/4 inch drywall gets you more bang for the buck than insulation, a third layer of drywall in the cavity will make it super quiet. I have a home recording studio too. Wow, there is some good information there. I will have to see just how much of that I can or need to do in this small room. Thanks, David |
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On Sep 30, 12:13*pm, GoHabsGo wrote:
hibb wrote in news:4d8741cf-1af3-4f65-8a13- : In addition to the bedroom I will be remodeling that I mentioned in another thread, I am also going to remodel another room to use as a small recording studio. What's the best process and materials to sound proof the room? Any good web sites out there that explains how to do it? I will also post on a couple of the recording newsgroups too. Thanks, David I built a home studion in my previous house. * What you want to do is isolate the room from the house. *In effect, a room inside a room. *To simulate this, I used resilient channels to hang a second layer of drywall offset from the first layer of drywall. Used acoustic tile above with insulation batting above the tiles. Last but not least, get a solid door - not a normal hollow slab door. Larry Looks like if I do that I won't have to strip out the old walls. I could just go into the installation of the second layer of drywall and ceiling tiles. Thanks, David |
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On Sep 30, 2:30*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 07:30:26 -0700 (PDT), hibb wrote: In addition to the bedroom I will be remodeling that I mentioned in another thread, I am also going to remodel another room to use as a small recording studio. What's the best process and materials to sound proof the room? Any good web sites out there that explains how to do it? I will also post on a couple of the recording newsgroups too. Thanks, David *Double staggered stud walls, packed with Roxul Safe and Sound rock wool, with 5.8" GP DensArmor drywall on the studio side, fastened with construction adhesive and screws. Inner stud wall isolated from floor and ceiling with strips od Styrofoam SM or DriCore, and floor on SM Sheet. Ceiling insulated with Roxul and suspended *- either accousic tile or heavy drywall(The dens-armor is a bitch to put on a ceiling but it will not resonate, drum, or retransmit. I will have to learn more about that Roxul Safe and Sound rock wool. Thanks, David |
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On Sep 30, 4:40*pm, E Z Peaces wrote:
hibb wrote: In addition to the bedroom I will be remodeling that I mentioned in another thread, I am also going to remodel another room to use as a small recording studio. What's the best process and materials to sound proof the room? Any good web sites out there that explains how to do it? I will also post on a couple of the recording newsgroups too. Thanks, David Green Glue. *You use two layers of drywall with a bead of Green Glue between. *It dampens vibrations. *I don't think there's another product like it. Interesting. I will have to learn more about that. |
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On Oct 1, 2:15*am, "DGDevin" wrote:
hibb wrote: In addition to the bedroom I will be remodeling that I mentioned in another thread, I am also going to remodel another room to use as a small recording studio. What's the best process and materials to sound proof the room? Any good web sites out there that explains how to do it? I will also post on a couple of the recording newsgroups too. Thanks, David Are you trying to keep sound from coming in from outside, or keep the sounds you'll make inside from annoying others outside, or both? Either way, low frequencies usually cause the most trouble. *Try to uncouple instruments (or amplifiers) and mic stands from the floor, chunks of thick (and dense) foam underneath them helps. *I've seen people hang carpet on the walls to absorb sound, stuff windows full of foam and so on. *But those low frequencies don't care much, it's like bone-conduction, it seems to come right through the structure of the building. *You'll also probably want to deaden the room a bit to keep sound from bouncing around too much, carpeting and thick drapes helps a lot with that. It's worth noting that professional studios are either purpose-built or are extensively modified for that role, there doesn't seem to be anything like a "spray on" solution. *Lots of ideas out there however.... http://www.audimutesoundproofing.com...ng-low-cost-so... http://arts.ucsc.edu/EMS/Music/tech_.../teces_14.html http://www.petethomas.co.uk/home-soundproofing.html http://www.soundprooffoam.com/Quick_..._Home_Recordin... http://www.soundproofingamerica.com/ Thanks for those tips and web sites. I was hoping for some web site recommendations instead of using google and hoping to click on the right links for what I need. Right now I am focusing on blocking sound from outside the room. That includes automobile noises from the road, AC and central heating noises, tv noises from the downstairs living room and ceiling fan and other noises from the bedroom underneath the studio. I am not looking for total perfection but to block out most of the noise with the construction and using other methods like shutting off noisy appliances when they pose a problem. Thanks, David |
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On Oct 1, 7:52*am, wrote:
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 07:30:26 -0700 (PDT), hibb wrote: In addition to the bedroom I will be remodeling that I mentioned in another thread, I am also going to remodel another room to use as a small recording studio. What's the best process and materials to sound proof the room? Any good web sites out there that explains how to do it? I will also post on a couple of the recording newsgroups too. Thanks, David * * * * Checkout: *http://www.soundproofing.org/ Thanks, I will check that out. David |
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On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 18:33:28 -0700 (PDT), Shy Picker
wrote: On Sep 30, 9:33*pm, bob haller wrote: Spray foam insulation to stop all air exchange, air movement carries noise. theres special drywall that doesnt conduct sound..... and special acoustic tiles too. there are pros that design such rooms. care should be taken some foam is highly flammable Thanks for the tip on some of the foam being highly flammable. I will check into different types of drywall and insulation. 100 people were killed in a matter of minutes at the Station Night Club in Rhode Island a few years ago when acoustic foam that was not rated fireproof, caught fire and burned VERY QUICKLY and emitted toxic fumes. (google for details) The safe stuff is more expensive. |
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100 people were killed in a matter of minutes at the Station Night Club in Rhode Island a few years ago when acoustic foam that was not rated fireproof, caught fire and burned VERY QUICKLY and emitted toxic fumes. (google for details) The safe stuff is more expensive. yeah that fire was terrible componded by locked fire doors so people coudnt leak in without paying |
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On Oct 2, 8:37*am, bob haller wrote:
100 people were killed in a matter of minutes at the Station Night Club in Rhode Island a few years ago when acoustic foam that was not rated fireproof, caught fire and burned VERY QUICKLY and emitted toxic fumes. (google for details) The safe stuff is more expensive. yeah that fire was terrible componded by locked fire doors so people coudnt leak in without paying That was open cell polyurethane foam panels (like Soundex and Audex), it flash burns like cellulose. Best solution is upholstered rigid fiberglass, which has much better acoustical properties anyway, and you can make panels yourself. |
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On Sep 30, 12:13 pm, GoHabsGo wrote: hibb wrote in news:4d8741cf-1af3-4f65-8a13- : In addition to the bedroom I will be remodeling that I mentioned in another thread, I am also going to remodel another room to use as a small recording studio. What's the best process and materials to sound proof the room? Any good web sites out there that explains how to do it? I will also post on a couple of the recording newsgroups too. Thanks, David I built a home studion in my previous house. What you want to do is isolate the room from the house. In effect, a room inside a room. To simulate this, I used resilient channels to hang a second layer of drywall offset from the first layer of drywall. Used acoustic tile above with insulation batting above the tiles. Last but not least, get a solid door - not a normal hollow slab door. Larry Looks like if I do that I won't have to strip out the old walls. I could just go into the installation of the second layer of drywall and ceiling tiles. Thanks, David I remember reading up on that in the 1964 Britannica. First seal the holes, then install an inner wall acoustically isolated from the first. They said two layers of plate glass could be pretty effective. Green Glue is different. It works like the mat under the carpet in a car. First you have the metal pan, then the mat of heavy insulation, then the carpet. By pressing against the metal, the mat dampens the vibrations, and that gives you a quiet ride. You squirt a bead of Green Glue in a pattern on a sheet of drywall and screw it over your existing wall. With the Green Glue to dampen vibrations, you don't have to worry about sound transmitted through the screws. |
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On Oct 2, 9:14*am, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 06:37:43 -0700 (PDT), bob haller wrote: 100 people were killed in a matter of minutes at the Station Night Club in Rhode Island a few years ago when acoustic foam that was not rated fireproof, caught fire and burned VERY QUICKLY and emitted toxic fumes. (google for details) The safe stuff is more expensive. yeah that fire was terrible componded by locked fire doors so people coudnt leak in without paying Not true. There were at least 4 useble exits. The problems we 1) Initially everyone thought the fire was part of the show. 2)The fire completed engulfed the palce in a matter of 4 or 5 minutes. 3)Most of the crowd, even those near other exits all stampeded to the front door where they had entered. That quickly resulted in a doorway filled with panicked people stacked up and wedged in the doorway. There was a crew there, filming a documentary about nightclub safety (!) of all things. They have photos of the front entrance with all the bodies, dead and alive, wedged there. The people farthest from the front door, and near the stage when the fire started were within 10 feet of an unlocked fire exit that was ignored by most of them, including some of the band. lesson learned: Whenever you are in a crowded public space, make sure you immediately figure out where the closest emergency exit is located. Finding it in the middle of chaos and darkness may be impossible. I used to have Soundex and Audex foam panels in my studio, I ripped it all out after that fire, now I have all rigid fiberglass upholstered with nice some fabrics my wife selected. They look a hell of a lot better than urethane acoustical foam too. The fabric was applied with 3M #90 spray glue then I ironed it flat while the glue was still wet under the fabric. This permanently bonded the fabric to the fiberglass very tight and flat. Washing the fabric in a highly concentrated mixture of 20 Mule Team Borax (no rinse) also makes the fabric itself fire-retardant. |
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, windcrest wrote: On Sep 30, 9:30*am, hibb wrote: In addition to the bedroom I will be remodeling that I mentioned in another thread, I am also going to remodel another room to use as a small recording studio. What's the best process and materials to sound proof the room? Any good web sites out there that explains how to do it? I will also post on a couple of the recording newsgroups too. Thanks, David Build a isolated dual wall system using 2x4 studs on 2x6 top and bottom plates, frame the "outside wall" oc 16 inches like normal, frame the "inside wall" oc 16 inches but offset the first stud by 8 inches. Drywall out and in with 5/8 drywall, some add another layer of drywall in the middle cavity fastened to the backside of the "outside" wall. This is the only reasonable way to isolate a room. Mass and/or mechanical isolation stops sound (not foam). Foam is used to treat reflections and absorb bass modes within the room. As for the "gray egg crates" mentioned in another post, real egg cartons are a fallicy seen in movies, they do nothing and are a BIG fire hazard, wont pass inspection. Open cell polyurethane foam is also a HUGE fire hazard, actually worse than egg cartons. The only class A fire rated material excellent for internal reflection control and for controling bass modes and boominess is rigid fiberglass panels (google Manville rigid fiberglass, whispertone, etc). Buy the rigid fierglass, cut panels, and upholster the panels in your favorite decorator fabric with a hot iron and spray glue, then hang them strategically based on SPL measurements taken with a tone sweep generator and real time room analyzer till you get flat frequency responce in the room. Another thing to consider is the heating duct work to the room if you have forced air heat (and AC). This will be the biggest nuisance, a heating contractor can flare the ducts to be quieter and isolate the furnace vibration from transmitting into the duct work. Also google "resilient strips" for hanging the ceiling drywall if you want to soundfroof the ceiling from the joists, again isolation is solving the problem (not foam or insulation). Google how to build the dual wall system I described above, it works great and only adds 2 inches to a wall thickness. You could put insulation in the walls but it will have little effect, however isolation and/or mass works best, so a dual wall with 5/8 or 3/4 inch drywall gets you more bang for the buck than insulation, a third layer of drywall in the cavity will make it super quiet. I have a home recording studio too. How dare you post an informative answer to a question in this newsgroup. You should be stood up against a soundproof wall and shot. Hey, how about that health care reform, huh? -Frank -- Here's some of my work: http://www.franksknives.com/ |
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On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 18:11:12 -0500, Steve Barker
wrote: wrote: On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 18:33:28 -0700 (PDT), Shy Picker wrote: On Sep 30, 9:33 pm, bob haller wrote: Spray foam insulation to stop all air exchange, air movement carries noise. theres special drywall that doesnt conduct sound..... and special acoustic tiles too. there are pros that design such rooms. care should be taken some foam is highly flammable Thanks for the tip on some of the foam being highly flammable. I will check into different types of drywall and insulation. 100 people were killed in a matter of minutes at the Station Night Club in Rhode Island a few years ago when acoustic foam that was not rated fireproof, caught fire and burned VERY QUICKLY and emitted toxic fumes. (google for details) The safe stuff is more expensive. Probably had knob and tube wiring inside the foam. ROTFLMMFAO!!!!!!!!!!! Not terribly funny to the friends, family and parents of those who died so horribly. |
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On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 18:25:36 -0500, Steve Barker
wrote: wrote: On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 18:11:12 -0500, Steve Barker wrote: wrote: On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 18:33:28 -0700 (PDT), Shy Picker wrote: On Sep 30, 9:33 pm, bob haller wrote: Spray foam insulation to stop all air exchange, air movement carries noise. theres special drywall that doesnt conduct sound..... and special acoustic tiles too. there are pros that design such rooms. care should be taken some foam is highly flammable Thanks for the tip on some of the foam being highly flammable. I will check into different types of drywall and insulation. 100 people were killed in a matter of minutes at the Station Night Club in Rhode Island a few years ago when acoustic foam that was not rated fireproof, caught fire and burned VERY QUICKLY and emitted toxic fumes. (google for details) The safe stuff is more expensive. Probably had knob and tube wiring inside the foam. ROTFLMMFAO!!!!!!!!!!! Not terribly funny to the friends, family and parents of those who died so horribly. They're not likely on this group. I'm one of them |
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