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Propane rip-off
Saw this on another newsgroup.
Seems as though the big sellers of exchange tanks are not filling them all the way now. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090522/...g_on_propane_2 |
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Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Saw this on another newsgroup. Seems as though the big sellers of exchange tanks are not filling them all the way now. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090522/...g_on_propane_2 Same for most everything you get at the grocery store. It's all about concern for the consumer safety: lighter packages means less chance of back injuries. |
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On May 22, 11:15*pm, "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
Saw this on another newsgroup. Seems as though the big sellers of exchange tanks are not filling them all the way now. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090522/...g_on_propane_2 Cheating, the oldest job known to man. Time for the billionth new law? If gasolene pumps were not verified randomly you would be cheated when you fill your car, how do you know the home fuel delivery man doesnt cheat you, if you are not there. |
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That's not good! -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... Saw this on another newsgroup. Seems as though the big sellers of exchange tanks are not filling them all the way now. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090522/...g_on_propane_2 |
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On Sat, 23 May 2009 04:50:29 -0700 (PDT), ransley
wrote: On May 22, 11:15*pm, "Ed Pawlowski" wrote: Saw this on another newsgroup. Seems as though the big sellers of exchange tanks are not filling them all the way now. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090522/...g_on_propane_2 Cheating, the oldest job known to man. Time for the billionth new law? If gasolene pumps were not verified randomly you would be cheated when you fill your car, how do you know the home fuel delivery man doesnt cheat you, if you are not there. The home fuel delivery man inserts a card in a meter that stamps the beginning and end of the pumping cycle. It shows how many gallons were pumped to the hundreths of a gallon. He leaves that card stuck in your kitchen door. |
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ransley wrote:
On May 22, 11:15 pm, "Ed Pawlowski" wrote: Saw this on another newsgroup. Seems as though the big sellers of exchange tanks are not filling them all the way now. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090522/...g_on_propane_2 Cheating, the oldest job known to man. Time for the billionth new law? If gasolene pumps were not verified randomly you would be cheated when you fill your car, how do you know the home fuel delivery man doesnt cheat you, if you are not there. Because their meters are certified by weights and measures inspectors just like those in gasoline stations are. My buddy has a liquid fuels business and he gets notices to bring selected trucks to a location where he pumps a specified amount into a graduated container and the inspector verifies the accuracy. If it passes he seals the meter and applies a sticker. When they deliver fuel the meter stamps the beginning and ending pump reading on the ticket. |
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"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... Saw this on another newsgroup. Seems as though the big sellers of exchange tanks are not filling them all the way now. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090522/...g_on_propane_2 The Shrink Ray strikes again, just like groceries (4 # sugar, 11 oz. pounds of coffee, etc.). Container stays the same, content gets smaller, price remains the same, and if you do inquire, they claim it's to avoid price increases. That's an insult to our intelligence because it's not disclosed to the consumer, on the container or in the store. They're counting on the stupidity of the average American consumer. What's next, 3 qt. gas gallons? |
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"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in
: Saw this on another newsgroup. Seems as though the big sellers of exchange tanks are not filling them all the way now. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090522/...ng_on_propane_ 2 all sorts of products have been downsized lately. You have to check everything. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
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"Jim Yanik" wrote in message ... "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in : Saw this on another newsgroup. Seems as though the big sellers of exchange tanks are not filling them all the way now. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090522/...ng_on_propane_ 2 all sorts of products have been downsized lately. You have to check everything. It doesn't matter what or how you check. Will you quit buying necessities because you're getting screwed? |
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I might take my propane tanks to the local fill place, where
they provide an honest fill. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "1D10T" wrote in message ... It doesn't matter what or how you check. Will you quit buying necessities because you're getting screwed? |
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Bryce wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote: Saw this on another newsgroup. Seems as though the big sellers of exchange tanks are not filling them all the way now. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090522/...g_on_propane_2 Same for most everything you get at the grocery store. It's all about concern for the consumer safety: lighter packages means less chance of back injuries. ROTFLMAO!! Lou |
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"LouB" wrote in message ... Bryce wrote: Ed Pawlowski wrote: Saw this on another newsgroup. Seems as though the big sellers of exchange tanks are not filling them all the way now. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090522/...g_on_propane_2 Same for most everything you get at the grocery store. It's all about concern for the consumer safety: lighter packages means less chance of back injuries. ROTFLMAO!! .... and adds one great big PITA. As y'all may have noticed, I am really ****ed off about this kind of deceit, as well as other labeling bull****. An example: Ask Breyer's (Unilever) about this issue and also why how they get away with calling tara gum, locust bean gum, guar gum, vegetable mono-and-diglycerides, and other additives "Natural" ingredients. What the HELL is natural about this **** in ice cream? |
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"1D10T" wrote in message Ask Breyer's (Unilever) about this issue and also why how they get away with calling tara gum, locust bean gum, guar gum, vegetable mono-and-diglycerides, and other additives "Natural" ingredients. What the HELL is natural about this **** in ice cream? Breyers vanilla used to be: milk, cream, sugar, vanilla. No need to add all that other crap after many years of real purity. |
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"1D10T" wrote in message ... "LouB" wrote in message ... Bryce wrote: Ed Pawlowski wrote: Saw this on another newsgroup. Seems as though the big sellers of exchange tanks are not filling them all the way now. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090522/...g_on_propane_2 Same for most everything you get at the grocery store. It's all about concern for the consumer safety: lighter packages means less chance of back injuries. ROTFLMAO!! ... and adds one great big PITA. As y'all may have noticed, I am really ****ed off about this kind of deceit, as well as other labeling bull****. An example: Ask Breyer's (Unilever) about this issue and also why how they get away with calling tara gum, locust bean gum, guar gum, vegetable mono-and-diglycerides, and other additives "Natural" ingredients. What the HELL is natural about this **** in ice cream? Add to this: Ice-structuring proteins, corn-syrup, cellulose gum, carob gum, polysorbate 80, glucose, carrageenan and whey sourced from meat-based rennet. Also, tara gum is indigestible and ice cream containing it can melt and then be refrozen and us consumers will have little clue. Let a bowl of Breyer's "All Natural" melt and instead of a creamy puddle, it looks like wet styrofoam. It is made with a certain amount of “overmix,” the percentage of entrained air to increase volume. Weigh a 'pint' of Breyer's and compare it to other brands. Look he http://adailyscoop.com/2006/09/11/br...vers-response/ |
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Bryce wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote: Saw this on another newsgroup. Seems as though the big sellers of exchange tanks are not filling them all the way now. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090522/...g_on_propane_2 Same for most everything you get at the grocery store. It's all about concern for the consumer safety: lighter packages means less chance of back injuries. There is a big difference, the items in the grocery store must adjust the designated unit of measurement on the packaging, but the consumer is left to assume a 20lb. propane tank has the maximum amount of propane allowed put into the tank. It would be more acceptable if the gas provider put a disclaimer on the tank wrap. That way an savvy consumer can decide if they want to swap tanks or refill. |
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On May 23, 12:49*pm, "1D10T" wrote:
"LouB" wrote in message ... Bryce wrote: Ed Pawlowski wrote: Saw this on another newsgroup. Seems as though the big sellers of exchange tanks are not filling them all the way now. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090522/...g_on_propane_2 Same for most everything you get at the grocery store. *It's all about concern for the consumer safety: lighter packages means less chance of back injuries. ROTFLMAO!! ... and adds one great big PITA. As y'all may have noticed, I am really ****ed off about this kind of deceit, as well as other labeling bull****. An example: Ask Breyer's (Unilever) about this issue and also why how they get away with calling tara gum, locust bean gum, guar gum, vegetable mono-and-diglycerides, and other additives "Natural" ingredients. What the HELL is natural about this **** in ice cream? If something is derived from plants rather than manufactured by chemical creation, then the loopholes in the law allow it to be called "natural". Believe me, having worked back in the mid-1980s with two of the "mad scientists" in McCormick's Industrial Flavor division, I know what sort of weird chemistry is done to create flavorings like they use in yellow cake, or "hickory smoke" (God, that stuff scares me), or those fruit flavorings... |
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"Stormin Mormon" wrote in
: I might take my propane tanks to the local fill place, where they provide an honest fill. that's where I got my propane tank filled;Ace Hardware. You can watch the guy fill while it's on the scale. And I get my own tank back,not somebody else's tank. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
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1D10T wrote:
snip ... and adds one great big PITA. As y'all may have noticed, I am really ****ed off about this kind of deceit, as well as other labeling bull****. An example: Ask Breyer's (Unilever) about this issue and also why how they get away with calling tara gum, locust bean gum, guar gum, vegetable mono-and-diglycerides, and other additives "Natural" ingredients. What the HELL is natural about this **** in ice cream? Heh. I still remember this commmercial from the '80s: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-GlBK82nuA Still, I guess locust beans are natural, just like asbestos and radium. At least the manufacturers' are giving us about 20% less in most packages now-"Now! With 20% LESS fat and calories!" Thought they were doing it do avoid the more-obvious method of jacking the price up. Oh, now they did that, also. Still, it's only because gas is $4.00 a gallon. Um, wait.... My last raise was fairly good, but I feel I've lost ground overall. Word is raises this year will be "minimal" due to the economic situation. *sigh* I feel depressed now. I can't even cheer myself up with a bowl of Breyer's. Hey, I know! I'll check the balance in my retirement account! -- PB "I suspect you're an arrogant little ****ant who grew up in the Red Bull generation." - CJW |
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"Jim Yanik" wrote in message ... wrote in : On Sat, 23 May 2009 04:50:29 -0700 (PDT), ransley wrote: On May 22, 11:15 pm, "Ed Pawlowski" wrote: Saw this on another newsgroup. Seems as though the big sellers of exchange tanks are not filling them all the way now. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090522/...ping_on_propan e_2 Cheating, the oldest job known to man. Time for the billionth new law? If gasolene pumps were not verified randomly you would be cheated when you fill your car, how do you know the home fuel delivery man doesnt cheat you, if you are not there. The home fuel delivery man inserts a card in a meter that stamps the beginning and end of the pumping cycle. It shows how many gallons were pumped to the hundreths of a gallon. He leaves that card stuck in your kitchen door. who checks/verifies the truck's meter? At least the State has inspections and calibrates the gas pumps,puts a sticker on the pump right where you can see it. For a person that yells capitalism at every turn. You sure want government protection. Make up yer cotton pickin mind. I'm tired of you yellow bellies crying the blues. |
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Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Saw this on another newsgroup. Seems as though the big sellers of exchange tanks are not filling them all the way now. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090522/...g_on_propane_2 It was in today's paper. I did a tank exchange at HD a couple of weeks ago, "AmeriGas". Label clearly says, "net weight 15.0 lb". I did not notice this until the issue came up. Next time I'll be going to the guy that refills the tank on a scale and intend to pop off a complaint to the state ag. Only good thing about exchange was my tank looked like it was on its last legs. |
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Jim Yanik" wrote in message At least the State has inspections and calibrates the gas pumps,puts a sticker on the pump right where you can see it. For a person that yells capitalism at every turn. You sure want government protection. Make up yer cotton pickin mind. I'm tired of you yellow bellies crying the blues. Capitalism and government certainly are not mutually exclusive. Capitalism needs government protection to function properly, but it suffers under onerous government overkill. Government can and should ensure the consumer or buyer has all available information about something to make an informed decision, whether it relates to a security's performance or the accurate quantity of a commodity. |
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On Sat, 23 May 2009 11:49:16 -0500, "1D10T" wrote:
"LouB" wrote in message ... Bryce wrote: Ed Pawlowski wrote: Saw this on another newsgroup. Seems as though the big sellers of exchange tanks are not filling them all the way now. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090522/...g_on_propane_2 Same for most everything you get at the grocery store. It's all about concern for the consumer safety: lighter packages means less chance of back injuries. ROTFLMAO!! ... and adds one great big PITA. As y'all may have noticed, I am really ****ed off about this kind of deceit, as well as other labeling bull****. An example: Ask Breyer's (Unilever) about this issue and also why how they get away with calling tara gum, locust bean gum, guar gum, vegetable mono-and-diglycerides, and other additives "Natural" ingredients. What the HELL is natural about this **** in ice cream? It's not natural to be in Ice Cream, but it's not "man made" - it's "natural" |
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On Sat, 23 May 2009 10:52:40 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote: I might take my propane tanks to the local fill place, where they provide an honest fill. Try to find one that charges you by the unit instead of a flat rate. No reason they can't top up a 20 lb tank that has 5 lb in it and charge you for 15 lb. THAT is a ripoff. |
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"Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
Breyers vanilla used to be: milk, cream, sugar, vanilla. No need to add all that other crap after many years of real purity. I remember when I would buy it for that exact reason. Haven't had any in awhile; sorry to hear they started adding crap to it. Jon |
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aemeijers wrote:
wrote: On Sat, 23 May 2009 10:52:40 -0400, "Stormin Mormon" wrote: I might take my propane tanks to the local fill place, where they provide an honest fill. Try to find one that charges you by the unit instead of a flat rate. No reason they can't top up a 20 lb tank that has 5 lb in it and charge you for 15 lb. THAT is a ripoff. You are paying for the labor, mainly, not the propane. Gotta pay for the machine, the clerk, the inspections, the insurance, etc. Like the price of beer in kegs vs. cans- the cost of the content is close to trivial. If refill stations charged by the pound, you'd get people coming n every week to top off, 'just so we don't run out during the barbecue'. Lot of clerk time and machine wear for very little money. A flat fee plus weight would maybe make sense. By that reasoning, every full serve gas station should charge you for a fixed amount full tank, not the actual number of gallons they pump into your car. Yet somehow they stay in business by charging you just for the amount you actually receive... |
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Karla wrote:
aemeijers wrote: wrote: On Sat, 23 May 2009 10:52:40 -0400, "Stormin Mormon" wrote: I might take my propane tanks to the local fill place, where they provide an honest fill. Try to find one that charges you by the unit instead of a flat rate. No reason they can't top up a 20 lb tank that has 5 lb in it and charge you for 15 lb. THAT is a ripoff. You are paying for the labor, mainly, not the propane. Gotta pay for the machine, the clerk, the inspections, the insurance, etc. Like the price of beer in kegs vs. cans- the cost of the content is close to trivial. If refill stations charged by the pound, you'd get people coming n every week to top off, 'just so we don't run out during the barbecue'. Lot of clerk time and machine wear for very little money. A flat fee plus weight would maybe make sense. By that reasoning, every full serve gas station should charge you for a fixed amount full tank, not the actual number of gallons they pump into your car. Yet somehow they stay in business by charging you just for the amount you actually receive... A lot more people have cars than propane tanks, and there are a lot more gas stations that propane fill stations. You do notice that other than in NJ and Oregon?, full-serve gas stations have basically vanished, and the few that remain charge a price premium? They charge you for the labor, all right- 'X' cents per gallon. -- aem sends... |
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Yanik. Young. Maybe we're related?
-- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Jim Yanik" wrote in message ... that's where I got my propane tank filled;Ace Hardware. You can watch the guy fill while it's on the scale. And I get my own tank back,not somebody else's tank. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
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"aemeijers" wrote in message A lot more people have cars than propane tanks, and there are a lot more gas stations that propane fill stations. You do notice that other than in NJ and Oregon?, full-serve gas stations have basically vanished, and the few that remain charge a price premium? They charge you for the labor, all right- 'X' cents per gallon. I work in MA. Each town fire Marshall decides if self serve is allowed and some do not have it. The full service stations are the same price as the self serve in the next town. Damned if I'm going to pump it when I can get it done for free. |
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In article , Karla
wrote: By that reasoning, every full serve gas station should charge you for a fixed amount full tank, not the actual number of gallons they pump into your car. Yet somehow they stay in business by charging you just for the amount you actually receive... Seriously Where does one find full service gas stations any more? /Seriously -- "Distracting a politician from governing is like distracting a bear from eating your baby." --PJ O'Rourke |
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aemeijers wrote:
Karla wrote: aemeijers wrote: wrote: On Sat, 23 May 2009 10:52:40 -0400, "Stormin Mormon" wrote: I might take my propane tanks to the local fill place, where they provide an honest fill. Try to find one that charges you by the unit instead of a flat rate. No reason they can't top up a 20 lb tank that has 5 lb in it and charge you for 15 lb. THAT is a ripoff. You are paying for the labor, mainly, not the propane. Gotta pay for the machine, the clerk, the inspections, the insurance, etc. Like the price of beer in kegs vs. cans- the cost of the content is close to trivial. If refill stations charged by the pound, you'd get people coming n every week to top off, 'just so we don't run out during the barbecue'. Lot of clerk time and machine wear for very little money. A flat fee plus weight would maybe make sense. By that reasoning, every full serve gas station should charge you for a fixed amount full tank, not the actual number of gallons they pump into your car. Yet somehow they stay in business by charging you just for the amount you actually receive... A lot more people have cars than propane tanks, and there are a lot more gas stations that propane fill stations. You do notice that other than in NJ and Oregon?, full-serve gas stations have basically vanished, and the few that remain charge a price premium? They charge you for the labor, all right- 'X' cents per gallon. With propane filling, all service is "full service" so the premium difference vs. self serve is not a valid analogy, since we aren't comparing full service with self service propane. The full service pumps at a gas station (and there are plenty of them near me) charge the same per unit amount regardless of the amount of fuel purchased. In other words a customer purchasing 5 gallons of fuel isn't charged for a full tank. Likewise the number of stations is not relevant, we are discussing the practices at the stations themselves, not how many others there are. There is no reason why propane sales should need to charge a full tank for a 1/4 tank fill, if propane dealers weren't out to gouge and cheat their customers. We aren't talking bulk sales here, and charging by the unit sold certainly adequately includes labor costs for other fuel sales. The article cited already establishes the propane industry's (lack of) integrity and business ethics by providing less product without informing their customers. It's not surprising they freely engage in less than above-board practices. |
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"Jessica" wrote in message There is no reason why propane sales should need to charge a full tank for a 1/4 tank fill, if propane dealers weren't out to gouge and cheat their customers. We aren't talking bulk sales here, and charging by the unit sold certainly adequately includes labor costs for other fuel sales. The article cited already establishes the propane industry's (lack of) integrity and business ethics by providing less product without informing their customers. It's not surprising they freely engage in less than above-board practices. They do it because they can. It has been an accepted policy for many years. Propane dealers are some of the worst on the planet. They have widely varying rates depending on use, they won't fill the tanks of another company, they rent tanks for years, they make if difficult to let you buy a tank, and on and on. |
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"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... Saw this on another newsgroup. Seems as though the big sellers of exchange tanks are not filling them all the way now. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090522/...g_on_propane_2 Why would anyone want to take them in and exchange them in the first place? Take them to a refiller yourself and pocket the money. Steve |
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On Fri 22 May 2009 09:15:14p, Ed Pawlowski told us...
Saw this on another newsgroup. Seems as though the big sellers of exchange tanks are not filling them all the way now. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090522/...g_on_propane_2 I really don't understand why people bother to buy exchange tanks in the first place. To me, the rip-off is paying for the use of their tank. There is no advantage that I can see, since you still have to carry an empty tank back and a full tank home. We have two tanks that we bought at Lowe's. We use one on the grill and one as a backup. It's amazingly cheaper to just have the tank filled at a local gas station and their prices are fair and competitive. I think my last fill up cost around $9.00 and was filled to the legal limit. -- Wayne Boatwright ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Food probably has a very great influence on the condition of men. Wine exercises a more visible influence, food does it more slowly but perhaps just as surely. Who knows if a well ~prepared soup was not responsible for the pneumatic pump or a poor one for a war? ~Georg C. Lichtenberg |
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On Sat 23 May 2009 09:32:48p, Ed Pawlowski told us...
"Jessica" wrote in message There is no reason why propane sales should need to charge a full tank for a 1/4 tank fill, if propane dealers weren't out to gouge and cheat their customers. We aren't talking bulk sales here, and charging by the unit sold certainly adequately includes labor costs for other fuel sales. The article cited already establishes the propane industry's (lack of) integrity and business ethics by providing less product without informing their customers. It's not surprising they freely engage in less than above-board practices. They do it because they can. It has been an accepted policy for many years. Propane dealers are some of the worst on the planet. They have widely varying rates depending on use, they won't fill the tanks of another company, they rent tanks for years, they make if difficult to let you buy a tank, and on and on. If you're talking about the standard tank use for gas grills, there's a glut of them for sale at any big box store in this area, and any filling facility will fill them with no problem. -- Wayne Boatwright ------------------------------------------------------------------------ An onion can make people cry, but there has never been a vegetable invented to make them laugh. ~Will Rogers |
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On Sat 23 May 2009 09:58:42p, SteveB told us...
"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... Saw this on another newsgroup. Seems as though the big sellers of exchange tanks are not filling them all the way now. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090522/...g_on_propane_2 Why would anyone want to take them in and exchange them in the first place? Take them to a refiller yourself and pocket the money. Steve Exactly! -- Wayne Boatwright ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do vegetarians eat animal crackers? ~Author Unknown |
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Frank wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote: Saw this on another newsgroup. Seems as though the big sellers of exchange tanks are not filling them all the way now. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090522/...g_on_propane_2 It was in today's paper. I did a tank exchange at HD a couple of weeks ago, "AmeriGas". Label clearly says, "net weight 15.0 lb". I did not notice this until the issue came up. Next time I'll be going to the guy that refills the tank on a scale and intend to pop off a complaint to the state ag. Only good thing about exchange was my tank looked like it was on its last legs. In Dallas the refill places went from 2.29 gal on 2/22 to 4.09 gal on 4/25. From $20 to $35 for two tanks, our BBQ might begin tasting a tad of yellow pine ;-) Our tank opds shut off 4.3 - 4.6 gal. |
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