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Who makes a backstab outlet/switch that the wire is tightened in with
a screw. After a couple of problems in my home I want to change them all out and I prefer not to haveto restrip and bend all those connections. One manufacturer had an industrial quality connector but I could only find them in brown. Wife would not go for that. Jimmie |
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:50:16 -0700 (PDT), JIMMIE
wrote: Who makes a backstab outlet/switch that the wire is tightened in with a screw. After a couple of problems in my home I want to change them all out and I prefer not to haveto restrip and bend all those connections. One manufacturer had an industrial quality connector but I could only find them in brown. Wife would not go for that. Jimmie Those are made for stranded wire. I am sure just about everyone carries them. You can, of course, use them with solid. |
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JIMMIE wrote:
Who makes a backstab outlet/switch that the wire is tightened in with a screw. After a couple of problems in my home I want to change them all out and I prefer not to haveto restrip and bend all those connections. One manufacturer had an industrial quality connector but I could only find them in brown. Wife would not go for that. Jimmie Do you have a real electrical supply convenient to you? not a hardware store or big box. They will know what you're talking about. BTW you are looking for a "back wire" not "backstab" receptacle. back wire = good; has the little clamps under the screws to hold a straight wire in backstab = teh suck side wire = good, but you have to loop the wires around the screws. nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel |
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:50:16 -0700 (PDT), JIMMIE
wrote: Who makes a backstab outlet/switch that the wire is tightened in with a screw. After a couple of problems in my home I want to change them all out and I prefer not to haveto restrip and bend all those connections. One manufacturer had an industrial quality connector but I could only find them in brown. Wife would not go for that. Cover them in whipped cream. Jimmie |
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On 2008-10-25, JIMMIE wrote:
Who makes a backstab outlet/switch that the wire is tightened in with a screw? Leviton BR15 or CR15. My local home depot carries them individually and in a 10-pack. Cheers, Wayne |
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Nate Nagel wrote:
JIMMIE wrote: Who makes a backstab outlet/switch that the wire is tightened in with a screw. After a couple of problems in my home I want to change them all out and I prefer not to haveto restrip and bend all those connections. One manufacturer had an industrial quality connector but I could only find them in brown. Wife would not go for that. Jimmie Do you have a real electrical supply convenient to you? not a hardware store or big box. They will know what you're talking about. BTW you are looking for a "back wire" not "backstab" receptacle. back wire = good; has the little clamps under the screws to hold a straight wire in backstab = teh suck side wire = good, but you have to loop the wires around the screws. nate You forgot to mention that you can't trust backstab outlets, they're real weasels. I don't like working around them. TDD |
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"JIMMIE" wrote in message ... Who makes a backstab outlet/switch that the wire is tightened in with a screw. After a couple of problems in my home I want to change them all out and I prefer not to haveto restrip and bend all those connections. One manufacturer had an industrial quality connector but I could only find them in brown. Wife would not go for that. Jimmie Cooper makes a receptacle with a screw down clamp where you don't need to bend the wire into a loop. Lowes sells them. You may have to restrip some wires as you will find some of the ends will break off after removal from the old receptacle. The best way to go is pigtailing multiple conductors. |
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On Oct 24, 7:50 pm, JIMMIE wrote:
Who makes a backstab outlet/switch that the wire is tightened in with a screw. After a couple of problems in my home I want to change them all out and I prefer not to haveto restrip and bend all those connections. One manufacturer had an industrial quality connector but I could only find them in brown. Wife would not go for that. Jimmie Wouldn't it be easier to change the wife? Lou |
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 21:09:09 -0400, metspitzer wrote:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:50:16 -0700 (PDT), JIMMIE wrote: Who makes a backstab outlet/switch that the wire is tightened in with a screw. After a couple of problems in my home I want to change them all out and I prefer not to haveto restrip and bend all those connections. One manufacturer had an industrial quality connector but I could only find them in brown. Wife would not go for that. Jimmie Are they backstab now? If so, why do you want to replace them with new ones that will be just as much a problem as you are having now? If they are screwed in now you will have to rebend them straight. If the ends are now straight you will not have to do that much work to strip a little more wire and bend them. It is not that big a deal if you want the job done right. Mike D. |
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On Oct 24, 7:50 pm, JIMMIE wrote:
Who makes a backstab outlet/switch that the wire is tightened in with a screw. After a couple of problems in my home I want to change them all out and I prefer not to haveto restrip and bend all those connections. One manufacturer had an industrial quality connector but I could only find them in brown. Wife would not go for that. Jimmie Wouldn't it be easier to just get a new wife? Lou |
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JIMMIE wrote:
Who makes a backstab outlet/switch that the wire is tightened in with a screw. After a couple of problems in my home I want to change them all out and I prefer not to haveto restrip and bend all those connections. One manufacturer had an industrial quality connector but I could only find them in brown. Wife would not go for that. Jimmie Those are called "spec grade" receptacles. -- js A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul. ----George Bernard Shaw |
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alarman wrote:
JIMMIE wrote: Who makes a backstab outlet/switch that the wire is tightened in with a screw. After a couple of problems in my home I want to change them all out and I prefer not to haveto restrip and bend all those connections. One manufacturer had an industrial quality connector but I could only find them in brown. Wife would not go for that. Jimmie Those are called "spec grade" receptacles. Not all spec grade receptacles have this feature. I have some Leviton spec grade receptacles that I bought for an upstairs bedroom; they do not have the "back wire" feature. I'm not real broken up about this, but the OP did specify what he wanted. I'd specify a brand/model if I knew, but I just know that they exist. nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel |
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On Oct 24, 7:50*pm, JIMMIE wrote:
Who makes a backstab outlet/switch that the wire is tightened in with a screw. After a couple of problems in my home I want to change them all out and I prefer not to haveto restrip and bend all those connections. One manufacturer had an industrial quality connector but I could only find them in brown. Wife would not go for that. Jimmie Pass & Seymour/LeGrand has eight different colors. Many of their back wired are screw clamped, but their cheapo TradeMaster line may not since it is rated 14 ga only. Most box stores in the midwest have them, as well as our local electrical distributor. Keep looking, you're sure to find what you want. Joe |
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Mike Dobony wrote:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 21:09:09 -0400, metspitzer wrote: On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:50:16 -0700 (PDT), JIMMIE wrote: Who makes a backstab outlet/switch that the wire is tightened in with a screw. After a couple of problems in my home I want to change them all out and I prefer not to haveto restrip and bend all those connections. One manufacturer had an industrial quality connector but I could only find them in brown. Wife would not go for that. Jimmie Are they backstab now? If so, why do you want to replace them with new ones that will be just as much a problem as you are having now? If they are screwed in now you will have to rebend them straight. If the ends are now straight you will not have to do that much work to strip a little more wire and bend them. It is not that big a deal if you want the job done right. Mike D. Agree that the bending and fitting to the terminals is no big deal- I replaced the 2-hole outlets in this place (yes, the boxes were grounded), and rewired the reversed-polarity grounded outlets. A pair of good and large needle-nose helps a lot. However, the monkey wrench in all this is if the guy that wired it didn't leave any slack in the wall, and the wires are not long enough (like if the end breaks off or something.) I had a few that were a real struggle to get around the screws, and still manage to fold everything back into the wall. IMHO, outlet/switch boxes need to be deeper, and code should say no stud staples closer than a foot from the box, with at least 3 extra wire inches between the last staple and the clamp on the box. It would add a couple bucks to the price of the house, but make life a lot easier for the guy 20 years later doing the upkeep. When you wire, be kind to the next poor SOB that is going to be in there- I always TRY to, at least. -- aem sends... |
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I've also used the Levitons and I liked the positive connections and the
easy back wiring. Just strip and tighten. I got mine bulk packed at Home Depot. Bernie "Wayne Whitney" wrote in message ... On 2008-10-25, JIMMIE wrote: Who makes a backstab outlet/switch that the wire is tightened in with a screw? Leviton BR15 or CR15. My local home depot carries them individually and in a 10-pack. Cheers, Wayne |
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Claude Hopper wrote:
That's only because Americans make crap. They could be made better and work properly. Huh? Consider the JDAM (Joint Defense Attack Munition). It's a bolt-on guidance system for legacy gravity bombs. Using GPS it can direct the bomb to within thirty feet of the programmed target from a release point up to fifteen miles away. With it, we can kill beaucoup boogers! At about $30,000 a pop, they're far cheaper than $750,000 for a Tomahawk for the same happy package. How can one forget the TV jingle: JDAM guidance saves a lot, Precise boom is what it's got, Kills 'em faster, better too, JDAM bomb is the bomb for you. |
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Claude Hopper wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote: Nate Nagel wrote: JIMMIE wrote: Who makes a backstab outlet/switch that the wire is tightened in with a screw. After a couple of problems in my home I want to change them all out and I prefer not to haveto restrip and bend all those connections. One manufacturer had an industrial quality connector but I could only find them in brown. Wife would not go for that. Jimmie Do you have a real electrical supply convenient to you? not a hardware store or big box. They will know what you're talking about. BTW you are looking for a "back wire" not "backstab" receptacle. back wire = good; has the little clamps under the screws to hold a straight wire in backstab = teh suck side wire = good, but you have to loop the wires around the screws. nate You forgot to mention that you can't trust backstab outlets, they're real weasels. I don't like working around them. TDD That's only because Americans make crap. They could be made better and work properly. But you forgot the cause and effect. Big Box came along and told us the only thing we want is cheap, cheap, cheap and they delivered on the promise. Some call it the Walmart syndrome. Give most people a choice between quality at a fair price and cheap, cheap, cheap and most will pick cheap. So we get what we have been trained by big box to want. |
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Claude Hopper wrote:
George wrote: Claude Hopper wrote: The Daring Dufas wrote: Nate Nagel wrote: JIMMIE wrote: Who makes a backstab outlet/switch that the wire is tightened in with a screw. After a couple of problems in my home I want to change them all out and I prefer not to haveto restrip and bend all those connections. One manufacturer had an industrial quality connector but I could only find them in brown. Wife would not go for that. Jimmie Do you have a real electrical supply convenient to you? not a hardware store or big box. They will know what you're talking about. BTW you are looking for a "back wire" not "backstab" receptacle. back wire = good; has the little clamps under the screws to hold a straight wire in backstab = teh suck side wire = good, but you have to loop the wires around the screws. nate You forgot to mention that you can't trust backstab outlets, they're real weasels. I don't like working around them. TDD That's only because Americans make crap. They could be made better and work properly. But you forgot the cause and effect. Big Box came along and told us the only thing we want is cheap, cheap, cheap and they delivered on the promise. Some call it the Walmart syndrome. Give most people a choice between quality at a fair price and cheap, cheap, cheap and most will pick cheap. So we get what we have been trained by big box to want. I don't recall asking for cheap, cheap, crappy, crappy backstab outlets. I also don't see a big problem curling the end of a wire to fit around a screw; take what, 2 seconds? Maybe you and I didn't but judging by how many big box stores there are that tout cheap, cheap, cheap it would seem we are outnumbered. I agree with stripping and forming the loop. I have had a Klein stripper for years that has some holes in it for just that purpose so you can strip and make the loop using only one tool. |
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George wrote:
But you forgot the cause and effect. Big Box came along and told us the only thing we want is cheap, cheap, cheap and they delivered on the promise. Some call it the Walmart syndrome. Give most people a choice between quality at a fair price and cheap, cheap, cheap and most will pick cheap. So we get what we have been trained by big box to want. There are thirty companies whose stock makes up the Dow-Jones Industrial Average. Of these, 29 are down. Some WAY down (GE from $41 to $17, 3M from $89 to $59, GM from $40 to $4, H-P from $53 to $30). The only one that's up? Walmart. (WMT from $42 to $50). |
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HeyBub wrote:
George wrote: But you forgot the cause and effect. Big Box came along and told us the only thing we want is cheap, cheap, cheap and they delivered on the promise. Some call it the Walmart syndrome. Give most people a choice between quality at a fair price and cheap, cheap, cheap and most will pick cheap. So we get what we have been trained by big box to want. There are thirty companies whose stock makes up the Dow-Jones Industrial Average. Of these, 29 are down. Some WAY down (GE from $41 to $17, 3M from $89 to $59, GM from $40 to $4, H-P from $53 to $30). The only one that's up? Walmart. (WMT from $42 to $50). Dear God that is scary. The fact that Wal-Mart is up is even more frightening than that others are down. Cheap Chinese crap is going to take over the world. Me? I am just riding it out. I was too slow to sell so I might as well hold, it's going to be 30+ years before I need any of it anyway. nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel |
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HeyBub wrote:
George wrote: But you forgot the cause and effect. Big Box came along and told us the only thing we want is cheap, cheap, cheap and they delivered on the promise. Some call it the Walmart syndrome. Give most people a choice between quality at a fair price and cheap, cheap, cheap and most will pick cheap. So we get what we have been trained by big box to want. There are thirty companies whose stock makes up the Dow-Jones Industrial Average. Of these, 29 are down. Some WAY down (GE from $41 to $17, 3M from $89 to $59, GM from $40 to $4, H-P from $53 to $30). The only one that's up? Walmart. (WMT from $42 to $50). You seem to have just proved my point. |
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Larry Caldwell wrote:
In article , (Claude Hopper) says... I don't recall asking for cheap, cheap, crappy, crappy backstab outlets. I also don't see a big problem curling the end of a wire to fit around a screw; take what, 2 seconds? It's not the receptacle, it's the labor. Strip and stab is quicker than strip and screw. The general contractor asked the electrical sub for cheap, and the electrical sub delivered. If you can set and torque screw terminals in 2 seconds, you need to go into business. But overall its the "Walmart syndrome". At one time people used to consider value. Now its cheap, cheap, cheap, cheap. So they demand cheap from the builder and the builder demands cheap from the subs and the subs demand cheap from their suppliers. |
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On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:39:25 -0400, George wrote:
Larry Caldwell wrote: In article , (Claude Hopper) says... I don't recall asking for cheap, cheap, crappy, crappy backstab outlets. I also don't see a big problem curling the end of a wire to fit around a screw; take what, 2 seconds? It's not the receptacle, it's the labor. Strip and stab is quicker than strip and screw. The general contractor asked the electrical sub for cheap, and the electrical sub delivered. If you can set and torque screw terminals in 2 seconds, you need to go into business. But overall its the "Walmart syndrome". At one time people used to consider value. Now its cheap, cheap, cheap, cheap. So they demand cheap from the builder and the builder demands cheap from the subs and the subs demand cheap from their suppliers. I don't know why people keep picking on walmart in particular. It's no different than the supermarket chains, or any other large chain. Supermarkets killed the local farmers markets. Target, Kmart, and Walmart are pretty much the same kind of company. Sears was doing it 40 years ago. Competition from mail order outlets has been going on for 100 years. Bitch bitch bitch. If you want to compete with walmart&co, you simply have to find a niche and do it better at least until walmart copies you. Farmers markets stay in business by providing niche products (organic, etc.) Lots of small bookstores, retail outlets have done the same. Or pretend that you don't have to improve and watch the local supermarket kill your business. |
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George wrote:
HeyBub wrote: George wrote: But you forgot the cause and effect. Big Box came along and told us the only thing we want is cheap, cheap, cheap and they delivered on the promise. Some call it the Walmart syndrome. Give most people a choice between quality at a fair price and cheap, cheap, cheap and most will pick cheap. So we get what we have been trained by big box to want. There are thirty companies whose stock makes up the Dow-Jones Industrial Average. Of these, 29 are down. Some WAY down (GE from $41 to $17, 3M from $89 to $59, GM from $40 to $4, H-P from $53 to $30). The only one that's up? Walmart. (WMT from $42 to $50). You seem to have just proved my point. But that's good! Sometimes cheap is better, sometimes not. If the only difference between a gallon of milk or a bag of chips is the price, well, why not? Here's what I bought at my last trip to Walmart: * A package of 8 foam brushes * A gallon of Kilz paint * A package of picture-hanging hooks * A package of house-brand Kool-Aid (I don't want to be accused of being a Kool-Aid drinker) * A package of teeny Snickers bars in anticipation of Halloween. This doesn't really count because I ate them all. Here's another thought: If you can't tell the difference between quality, good enough, and junk, then you should shop at stores that make the decision for you. Those that want quality only, but can't tell the difference, may very well shop at Graingers. Those that will settle for mostly good enough, will probably go to Walmart, or a box store. Those that knowingly want junk (because of the price) hang out at the dollar stores (Wonder if the dollar-store has made-in-Mexico Snickers bars? Good enough for Halloween.) |
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On Oct 24, 6:50*pm, JIMMIE wrote:
Who makes a backstab outlet/switch that the wire is tightened in with a screw. After a couple of problems in my home I want to change them all out and I prefer not to haveto restrip and bend all those connections. One manufacturer had an industrial quality connector but I could only find them in brown. Wife would not go for that. Jimmie We live in a world full of lazy fu*kers. Bending a wire is too much work for them. They'd rather do something useful like sit in front of their hdtv drinking beer and doing crack while watching the Springer show. That explains why so many products are defective when they are sold. |
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AZ Nomad wrote:
On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:39:25 -0400, George wrote: Larry Caldwell wrote: In article , (Claude Hopper) says... I don't recall asking for cheap, cheap, crappy, crappy backstab outlets. I also don't see a big problem curling the end of a wire to fit around a screw; take what, 2 seconds? It's not the receptacle, it's the labor. Strip and stab is quicker than strip and screw. The general contractor asked the electrical sub for cheap, and the electrical sub delivered. If you can set and torque screw terminals in 2 seconds, you need to go into business. But overall its the "Walmart syndrome". At one time people used to consider value. Now its cheap, cheap, cheap, cheap. So they demand cheap from the builder and the builder demands cheap from the subs and the subs demand cheap from their suppliers. I don't know why people keep picking on walmart in particular. It's no different than the supermarket chains, or any other large chain. Supermarkets killed the local farmers markets. Target, Kmart, and Walmart are pretty much the same kind of company. Sears was doing it 40 years ago. Competition from mail order outlets has been going on for 100 years. But they perfected it and took it much further that anyone else so they should get credit. Bitch bitch bitch. If you want to compete with walmart&co, you simply have to find a niche and do it better at least until walmart copies you. Farmers markets stay in business by providing niche products (organic, etc.) Lots of small bookstores, retail outlets have done the same. Or pretend that you don't have to improve and watch the local supermarket kill your business. |
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Larry Caldwell wrote:
In article , (AZ Nomad) says... I don't know why people keep picking on walmart in particular. It's no different than the supermarket chains, or any other large chain. Plus, back stab receptacles have been around a lot longer than Wal-mart has. Sure but the discussion involves poor quality. Take a look at the older version of a lot of stuff and the current version. |
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George wrote:
Larry Caldwell wrote: In article , (AZ Nomad) says... I don't know why people keep picking on walmart in particular. It's no different than the supermarket chains, or any other large chain. Plus, back stab receptacles have been around a lot longer than Wal-mart has. Sure but the discussion involves poor quality. Take a look at the older version of a lot of stuff and the current version. You mean like dentistry? |
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George wrote:
Larry Caldwell wrote: In article , (AZ Nomad) says... I don't know why people keep picking on walmart in particular. It's no different than the supermarket chains, or any other large chain. Plus, back stab receptacles have been around a lot longer than Wal-mart has. Sure but the discussion involves poor quality. Take a look at the older version of a lot of stuff and the current version. to be fair, backstab receptacles always sucked. nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel |
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HeyBub wrote:
George wrote: Larry Caldwell wrote: In article , (AZ Nomad) says... I don't know why people keep picking on walmart in particular. It's no different than the supermarket chains, or any other large chain. Plus, back stab receptacles have been around a lot longer than Wal-mart has. Sure but the discussion involves poor quality. Take a look at the older version of a lot of stuff and the current version. You mean like dentistry? Walmart has dentists? |
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George wrote:
HeyBub wrote: George wrote: Larry Caldwell wrote: In article , (AZ Nomad) says... I don't know why people keep picking on walmart in particular. It's no different than the supermarket chains, or any other large chain. Plus, back stab receptacles have been around a lot longer than Wal-mart has. Sure but the discussion involves poor quality. Take a look at the older version of a lot of stuff and the current version. You mean like dentistry? Walmart has dentists? Wouldn't surprise me if they did; I believe they have optometrists now. nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel |
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Nate Nagel wrote:
George wrote: Larry Caldwell wrote: In article , (AZ Nomad) says... I don't know why people keep picking on walmart in particular. It's no different than the supermarket chains, or any other large chain. Plus, back stab receptacles have been around a lot longer than Wal-mart has. Sure but the discussion involves poor quality. Take a look at the older version of a lot of stuff and the current version. to be fair, backstab receptacles always sucked. IMHO the people that should be stabbed in the back area are at UL that allows these atrocities. At least you can't use #12 wire anymore. -- bud-- |
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