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JIMMIE October 25th 08 02:50 AM

backstab outlets
 
Who makes a backstab outlet/switch that the wire is tightened in with
a screw. After a couple of problems in my home I want to change them
all out and I prefer not to haveto restrip and bend all those
connections. One manufacturer had an industrial quality connector but
I could only find them in brown. Wife would not go for that.

Jimmie

metspitzer October 25th 08 03:09 AM

backstab outlets
 
On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:50:16 -0700 (PDT), JIMMIE
wrote:

Who makes a backstab outlet/switch that the wire is tightened in with
a screw. After a couple of problems in my home I want to change them
all out and I prefer not to haveto restrip and bend all those
connections. One manufacturer had an industrial quality connector but
I could only find them in brown. Wife would not go for that.

Jimmie


Those are made for stranded wire. I am sure just about everyone
carries them. You can, of course, use them with solid.

Nate Nagel October 25th 08 03:13 AM

backstab outlets
 
JIMMIE wrote:
Who makes a backstab outlet/switch that the wire is tightened in with
a screw. After a couple of problems in my home I want to change them
all out and I prefer not to haveto restrip and bend all those
connections. One manufacturer had an industrial quality connector but
I could only find them in brown. Wife would not go for that.

Jimmie


Do you have a real electrical supply convenient to you? not a hardware
store or big box. They will know what you're talking about. BTW you
are looking for a "back wire" not "backstab" receptacle.

back wire = good; has the little clamps under the screws to hold a
straight wire in

backstab = teh suck

side wire = good, but you have to loop the wires around the screws.

nate

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mm October 25th 08 03:44 AM

backstab outlets
 
On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:50:16 -0700 (PDT), JIMMIE
wrote:

Who makes a backstab outlet/switch that the wire is tightened in with
a screw. After a couple of problems in my home I want to change them
all out and I prefer not to haveto restrip and bend all those
connections. One manufacturer had an industrial quality connector but
I could only find them in brown. Wife would not go for that.


Cover them in whipped cream.

Jimmie



Wayne Whitney October 25th 08 05:29 AM

backstab outlets
 
On 2008-10-25, JIMMIE wrote:

Who makes a backstab outlet/switch that the wire is tightened in with
a screw?


Leviton BR15 or CR15. My local home depot carries them individually
and in a 10-pack.

Cheers, Wayne

The Daring Dufas[_5_] October 25th 08 07:02 AM

backstab outlets
 
Nate Nagel wrote:
JIMMIE wrote:
Who makes a backstab outlet/switch that the wire is tightened in with
a screw. After a couple of problems in my home I want to change them
all out and I prefer not to haveto restrip and bend all those
connections. One manufacturer had an industrial quality connector but
I could only find them in brown. Wife would not go for that.

Jimmie


Do you have a real electrical supply convenient to you? not a hardware
store or big box. They will know what you're talking about. BTW you
are looking for a "back wire" not "backstab" receptacle.

back wire = good; has the little clamps under the screws to hold a
straight wire in

backstab = teh suck

side wire = good, but you have to loop the wires around the screws.

nate

You forgot to mention that you can't trust backstab
outlets, they're real weasels. I don't like working
around them.

TDD

John Grabowski October 25th 08 01:52 PM

backstab outlets
 

"JIMMIE" wrote in message
...
Who makes a backstab outlet/switch that the wire is tightened in with
a screw. After a couple of problems in my home I want to change them
all out and I prefer not to haveto restrip and bend all those
connections. One manufacturer had an industrial quality connector but
I could only find them in brown. Wife would not go for that.

Jimmie



Cooper makes a receptacle with a screw down clamp where you don't need to
bend the wire into a loop. Lowes sells them. You may have to restrip some
wires as you will find some of the ends will break off after removal from
the old receptacle. The best way to go is pigtailing multiple conductors.


Lou October 25th 08 04:46 PM

backstab outlets
 
On Oct 24, 7:50 pm, JIMMIE wrote:
Who makes a backstab outlet/switch that the wire is tightened in with
a screw. After a couple of problems in my home I want to change them
all out and I prefer not to haveto restrip and bend all those
connections. One manufacturer had an industrial quality connector but
I could only find them in brown. Wife would not go for that.

Jimmie


Wouldn't it be easier to change the wife?
Lou

Mike Dobony October 25th 08 05:09 PM

backstab outlets
 
On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 21:09:09 -0400, metspitzer wrote:

On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:50:16 -0700 (PDT), JIMMIE
wrote:

Who makes a backstab outlet/switch that the wire is tightened in with
a screw. After a couple of problems in my home I want to change them
all out and I prefer not to haveto restrip and bend all those
connections. One manufacturer had an industrial quality connector but
I could only find them in brown. Wife would not go for that.

Jimmie



Are they backstab now? If so, why do you want to replace them with new
ones that will be just as much a problem as you are having now? If they
are screwed in now you will have to rebend them straight. If the ends are
now straight you will not have to do that much work to strip a little more
wire and bend them. It is not that big a deal if you want the job done
right.

Mike D.

Lou October 25th 08 05:11 PM

backstab outlets
 
On Oct 24, 7:50 pm, JIMMIE wrote:
Who makes a backstab outlet/switch that the wire is tightened in with
a screw. After a couple of problems in my home I want to change them
all out and I prefer not to haveto restrip and bend all those
connections. One manufacturer had an industrial quality connector but
I could only find them in brown. Wife would not go for that.

Jimmie


Wouldn't it be easier to just get a new wife?
Lou

alarman[_2_] October 25th 08 05:24 PM

backstab outlets
 
JIMMIE wrote:
Who makes a backstab outlet/switch that the wire is tightened in with
a screw. After a couple of problems in my home I want to change them
all out and I prefer not to haveto restrip and bend all those
connections. One manufacturer had an industrial quality connector but
I could only find them in brown. Wife would not go for that.

Jimmie


Those are called "spec grade" receptacles.

--
js

A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the
support of Paul. ----George Bernard Shaw



Nate Nagel October 25th 08 05:35 PM

backstab outlets
 
alarman wrote:
JIMMIE wrote:
Who makes a backstab outlet/switch that the wire is tightened in with
a screw. After a couple of problems in my home I want to change them
all out and I prefer not to haveto restrip and bend all those
connections. One manufacturer had an industrial quality connector but
I could only find them in brown. Wife would not go for that.

Jimmie


Those are called "spec grade" receptacles.


Not all spec grade receptacles have this feature. I have some Leviton
spec grade receptacles that I bought for an upstairs bedroom; they do
not have the "back wire" feature. I'm not real broken up about this,
but the OP did specify what he wanted. I'd specify a brand/model if I
knew, but I just know that they exist.

nate

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Dave Martindale October 25th 08 08:05 PM

backstab outlets
 
writes:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 21:09:09 -0400, metspitzer wrote:

On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:50:16 -0700 (PDT), JIMMIE
wrote:

Who makes a backstab outlet/switch that the wire is tightened in with
a screw. After a couple of problems in my home I want to change them
all out and I prefer not to haveto restrip and bend all those
connections. One manufacturer had an industrial quality connector but
I could only find them in brown. Wife would not go for that.

Jimmie



Are they backstab now? If so, why do you want to replace them with new
ones that will be just as much a problem as you are having now?


He doesn't actually want backstab (where the wire contact is springy),
he wants back-wire outlets with a screw to hold the wire. I think that
is clear from the description (see above); he just didn't use the
correct term.

Dave

Joe October 25th 08 08:24 PM

backstab outlets
 
On Oct 24, 7:50*pm, JIMMIE wrote:
Who makes a backstab outlet/switch that the wire is tightened in with
a screw. After a couple of problems in my home I want to change them
all out and I prefer not to haveto restrip and bend all those
connections. One manufacturer had an industrial quality connector but
I could only find them in brown. Wife would not go for that.

Jimmie


Pass & Seymour/LeGrand has eight different colors. Many of their back
wired are screw clamped, but their cheapo TradeMaster line may not
since it is rated 14 ga only. Most box stores in the midwest have
them, as well as our local electrical distributor. Keep looking,
you're sure to find what you want.

Joe

aemeijers October 26th 08 12:37 AM

backstab outlets
 
Mike Dobony wrote:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 21:09:09 -0400, metspitzer wrote:

On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:50:16 -0700 (PDT), JIMMIE
wrote:

Who makes a backstab outlet/switch that the wire is tightened in with
a screw. After a couple of problems in my home I want to change them
all out and I prefer not to haveto restrip and bend all those
connections. One manufacturer had an industrial quality connector but
I could only find them in brown. Wife would not go for that.

Jimmie


Are they backstab now? If so, why do you want to replace them with new
ones that will be just as much a problem as you are having now? If they
are screwed in now you will have to rebend them straight. If the ends are
now straight you will not have to do that much work to strip a little more
wire and bend them. It is not that big a deal if you want the job done
right.

Mike D.

Agree that the bending and fitting to the terminals is no big deal- I
replaced the 2-hole outlets in this place (yes, the boxes were
grounded), and rewired the reversed-polarity grounded outlets. A pair of
good and large needle-nose helps a lot. However, the monkey wrench in
all this is if the guy that wired it didn't leave any slack in the wall,
and the wires are not long enough (like if the end breaks off or
something.) I had a few that were a real struggle to get around the
screws, and still manage to fold everything back into the wall.

IMHO, outlet/switch boxes need to be deeper, and code should say no stud
staples closer than a foot from the box, with at least 3 extra wire
inches between the last staple and the clamp on the box. It would add a
couple bucks to the price of the house, but make life a lot easier for
the guy 20 years later doing the upkeep. When you wire, be kind to the
next poor SOB that is going to be in there- I always TRY to, at least.

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Bernie Hunt October 26th 08 12:48 AM

backstab outlets
 
I've also used the Levitons and I liked the positive connections and the
easy back wiring. Just strip and tighten. I got mine bulk packed at Home
Depot.

Bernie

"Wayne Whitney" wrote in message
...
On 2008-10-25, JIMMIE wrote:

Who makes a backstab outlet/switch that the wire is tightened in with
a screw?


Leviton BR15 or CR15. My local home depot carries them individually
and in a 10-pack.

Cheers, Wayne




HeyBub[_3_] October 26th 08 01:21 PM

backstab outlets
 
Claude Hopper wrote:

That's only because Americans make crap. They could be made better and
work properly.


Huh?

Consider the JDAM (Joint Defense Attack Munition). It's a bolt-on guidance
system for legacy gravity bombs. Using GPS it can direct the bomb to within
thirty feet of the programmed target from a release point up to fifteen
miles away.

With it, we can kill beaucoup boogers!

At about $30,000 a pop, they're far cheaper than $750,000 for a Tomahawk for
the same happy package.

How can one forget the TV jingle:

JDAM guidance saves a lot,
Precise boom is what it's got,
Kills 'em faster, better too,
JDAM bomb is the bomb for you.



George October 26th 08 01:36 PM

backstab outlets
 
Claude Hopper wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote:
JIMMIE wrote:
Who makes a backstab outlet/switch that the wire is tightened in with
a screw. After a couple of problems in my home I want to change them
all out and I prefer not to haveto restrip and bend all those
connections. One manufacturer had an industrial quality connector but
I could only find them in brown. Wife would not go for that.

Jimmie
Do you have a real electrical supply convenient to you? not a
hardware store or big box. They will know what you're talking about.
BTW you are looking for a "back wire" not "backstab" receptacle.

back wire = good; has the little clamps under the screws to hold a
straight wire in

backstab = teh suck

side wire = good, but you have to loop the wires around the screws.

nate

You forgot to mention that you can't trust backstab
outlets, they're real weasels. I don't like working
around them.

TDD


That's only because Americans make crap. They could be made better and
work properly.

But you forgot the cause and effect. Big Box came along and told us the
only thing we want is cheap, cheap, cheap and they delivered on the
promise. Some call it the Walmart syndrome. Give most people a choice
between quality at a fair price and cheap, cheap, cheap and most will
pick cheap. So we get what we have been trained by big box to want.

George October 26th 08 04:38 PM

backstab outlets
 
Claude Hopper wrote:
George wrote:
Claude Hopper wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote:
JIMMIE wrote:
Who makes a backstab outlet/switch that the wire is tightened in with
a screw. After a couple of problems in my home I want to change them
all out and I prefer not to haveto restrip and bend all those
connections. One manufacturer had an industrial quality connector but
I could only find them in brown. Wife would not go for that.

Jimmie
Do you have a real electrical supply convenient to you? not a
hardware store or big box. They will know what you're talking
about. BTW you are looking for a "back wire" not "backstab" receptacle.

back wire = good; has the little clamps under the screws to hold a
straight wire in

backstab = teh suck

side wire = good, but you have to loop the wires around the screws.

nate

You forgot to mention that you can't trust backstab
outlets, they're real weasels. I don't like working
around them.

TDD
That's only because Americans make crap. They could be made better and
work properly.

But you forgot the cause and effect. Big Box came along and told us the
only thing we want is cheap, cheap, cheap and they delivered on the
promise. Some call it the Walmart syndrome. Give most people a choice
between quality at a fair price and cheap, cheap, cheap and most will
pick cheap. So we get what we have been trained by big box to want.


I don't recall asking for cheap, cheap, crappy, crappy backstab outlets.
I also don't see a big problem curling the end of a wire to fit around a
screw; take what, 2 seconds?



Maybe you and I didn't but judging by how many big box stores there are
that tout cheap, cheap, cheap it would seem we are outnumbered.

I agree with stripping and forming the loop. I have had a Klein stripper
for years that has some holes in it for just that purpose so you can
strip and make the loop using only one tool.

Larry Caldwell October 26th 08 05:41 PM

backstab outlets
 
In article ,
(Claude Hopper) says...

I don't recall asking for cheap, cheap, crappy, crappy backstab outlets.
I also don't see a big problem curling the end of a wire to fit around a
screw; take what, 2 seconds?


It's not the receptacle, it's the labor. Strip and stab is quicker than
strip and screw. The general contractor asked the electrical sub for
cheap, and the electrical sub delivered. If you can set and torque
screw terminals in 2 seconds, you need to go into business.

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HeyBub[_3_] October 26th 08 07:29 PM

backstab outlets
 
George wrote:

But you forgot the cause and effect. Big Box came along and told us
the only thing we want is cheap, cheap, cheap and they delivered on
the promise. Some call it the Walmart syndrome. Give most people a
choice between quality at a fair price and cheap, cheap, cheap and
most will pick cheap. So we get what we have been trained by big box
to want.


There are thirty companies whose stock makes up the Dow-Jones Industrial
Average. Of these, 29 are down. Some WAY down (GE from $41 to $17, 3M from
$89 to $59, GM from $40 to $4, H-P from $53 to $30).

The only one that's up? Walmart. (WMT from $42 to $50).



Nate Nagel October 26th 08 07:47 PM

backstab outlets
 
HeyBub wrote:
George wrote:
But you forgot the cause and effect. Big Box came along and told us
the only thing we want is cheap, cheap, cheap and they delivered on
the promise. Some call it the Walmart syndrome. Give most people a
choice between quality at a fair price and cheap, cheap, cheap and
most will pick cheap. So we get what we have been trained by big box
to want.


There are thirty companies whose stock makes up the Dow-Jones Industrial
Average. Of these, 29 are down. Some WAY down (GE from $41 to $17, 3M from
$89 to $59, GM from $40 to $4, H-P from $53 to $30).

The only one that's up? Walmart. (WMT from $42 to $50).


Dear God that is scary. The fact that Wal-Mart is up is even more
frightening than that others are down. Cheap Chinese crap is going to
take over the world.

Me? I am just riding it out. I was too slow to sell so I might as well
hold, it's going to be 30+ years before I need any of it anyway.

nate

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George October 26th 08 10:37 PM

backstab outlets
 
HeyBub wrote:
George wrote:
But you forgot the cause and effect. Big Box came along and told us
the only thing we want is cheap, cheap, cheap and they delivered on
the promise. Some call it the Walmart syndrome. Give most people a
choice between quality at a fair price and cheap, cheap, cheap and
most will pick cheap. So we get what we have been trained by big box
to want.


There are thirty companies whose stock makes up the Dow-Jones Industrial
Average. Of these, 29 are down. Some WAY down (GE from $41 to $17, 3M from
$89 to $59, GM from $40 to $4, H-P from $53 to $30).

The only one that's up? Walmart. (WMT from $42 to $50).


You seem to have just proved my point.

George October 26th 08 10:39 PM

backstab outlets
 
Larry Caldwell wrote:
In article ,
(Claude Hopper) says...

I don't recall asking for cheap, cheap, crappy, crappy backstab outlets.
I also don't see a big problem curling the end of a wire to fit around a
screw; take what, 2 seconds?


It's not the receptacle, it's the labor. Strip and stab is quicker than
strip and screw. The general contractor asked the electrical sub for
cheap, and the electrical sub delivered. If you can set and torque
screw terminals in 2 seconds, you need to go into business.

But overall its the "Walmart syndrome". At one time people used to
consider value. Now its cheap, cheap, cheap, cheap. So they demand cheap
from the builder and the builder demands cheap from the subs and the
subs demand cheap from their suppliers.

AZ Nomad[_2_] October 26th 08 10:54 PM

backstab outlets
 
On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:39:25 -0400, George wrote:
Larry Caldwell wrote:
In article ,
(Claude Hopper) says...

I don't recall asking for cheap, cheap, crappy, crappy backstab outlets.
I also don't see a big problem curling the end of a wire to fit around a
screw; take what, 2 seconds?


It's not the receptacle, it's the labor. Strip and stab is quicker than
strip and screw. The general contractor asked the electrical sub for
cheap, and the electrical sub delivered. If you can set and torque
screw terminals in 2 seconds, you need to go into business.

But overall its the "Walmart syndrome". At one time people used to
consider value. Now its cheap, cheap, cheap, cheap. So they demand cheap
from the builder and the builder demands cheap from the subs and the
subs demand cheap from their suppliers.


I don't know why people keep picking on walmart in particular. It's
no different than the supermarket chains, or any other large chain.
Supermarkets killed the local farmers markets. Target, Kmart, and
Walmart are pretty much the same kind of company. Sears was doing it
40 years ago. Competition from mail order outlets has been going on
for 100 years.

Bitch bitch bitch. If you want to compete with walmart&co, you simply
have to find a niche and do it better at least until walmart copies you.
Farmers markets stay in business by providing niche products (organic,
etc.) Lots of small bookstores, retail outlets have done the same.
Or pretend that you don't have to improve and watch the local
supermarket kill your business.

HeyBub[_3_] October 27th 08 01:10 AM

backstab outlets
 
George wrote:
HeyBub wrote:
George wrote:
But you forgot the cause and effect. Big Box came along and told us
the only thing we want is cheap, cheap, cheap and they delivered on
the promise. Some call it the Walmart syndrome. Give most people a
choice between quality at a fair price and cheap, cheap, cheap and
most will pick cheap. So we get what we have been trained by big box
to want.


There are thirty companies whose stock makes up the Dow-Jones
Industrial Average. Of these, 29 are down. Some WAY down (GE from
$41 to $17, 3M from $89 to $59, GM from $40 to $4, H-P from $53 to
$30). The only one that's up? Walmart. (WMT from $42 to $50).


You seem to have just proved my point.


But that's good!

Sometimes cheap is better, sometimes not. If the only difference between a
gallon of milk or a bag of chips is the price, well, why not?

Here's what I bought at my last trip to Walmart:
* A package of 8 foam brushes
* A gallon of Kilz paint
* A package of picture-hanging hooks
* A package of house-brand Kool-Aid (I don't want to be accused of being a
Kool-Aid drinker)
* A package of teeny Snickers bars in anticipation of Halloween. This
doesn't really count because I ate them all.

Here's another thought: If you can't tell the difference between quality,
good enough, and junk, then you should shop at stores that make the decision
for you.

Those that want quality only, but can't tell the difference, may very well
shop at Graingers.
Those that will settle for mostly good enough, will probably go to Walmart,
or a box store.
Those that knowingly want junk (because of the price) hang out at the dollar
stores (Wonder if the dollar-store has made-in-Mexico Snickers bars? Good
enough for Halloween.)



[email protected] October 27th 08 05:27 AM

backstab outlets
 
On Oct 24, 6:50*pm, JIMMIE wrote:
Who makes a backstab outlet/switch that the wire is tightened in with
a screw. After a couple of problems in my home I want to change them
all out and I prefer not to haveto restrip and bend all those
connections. One manufacturer had an industrial quality connector but
I could only find them in brown. Wife would not go for that.

Jimmie


We live in a world full of lazy fu*kers. Bending a wire is too much
work for them. They'd rather do something useful like sit in front of
their hdtv drinking beer and doing crack while watching the Springer
show. That explains why so many products are defective when they are
sold.

metspitzer October 27th 08 05:48 AM

backstab outlets
 
On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 21:27:10 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


work for them. They'd rather do something useful like sit in front of
their hdtv drinking beer and doing crack while watching the Springer
show.


You say that like there is something wrong with smoking crack and
Springer.

:)

Larry Caldwell October 27th 08 11:08 AM

backstab outlets
 
In article ,
(AZ Nomad) says...

I don't know why people keep picking on walmart in particular. It's
no different than the supermarket chains, or any other large chain.


Plus, back stab receptacles have been around a lot longer than Wal-mart
has.


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George October 27th 08 01:01 PM

backstab outlets
 
AZ Nomad wrote:
On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:39:25 -0400, George wrote:
Larry Caldwell wrote:
In article ,
(Claude Hopper) says...

I don't recall asking for cheap, cheap, crappy, crappy backstab outlets.
I also don't see a big problem curling the end of a wire to fit around a
screw; take what, 2 seconds?
It's not the receptacle, it's the labor. Strip and stab is quicker than
strip and screw. The general contractor asked the electrical sub for
cheap, and the electrical sub delivered. If you can set and torque
screw terminals in 2 seconds, you need to go into business.

But overall its the "Walmart syndrome". At one time people used to
consider value. Now its cheap, cheap, cheap, cheap. So they demand cheap
from the builder and the builder demands cheap from the subs and the
subs demand cheap from their suppliers.


I don't know why people keep picking on walmart in particular. It's
no different than the supermarket chains, or any other large chain.
Supermarkets killed the local farmers markets. Target, Kmart, and
Walmart are pretty much the same kind of company. Sears was doing it
40 years ago. Competition from mail order outlets has been going on
for 100 years.


But they perfected it and took it much further that anyone else so they
should get credit.

Bitch bitch bitch. If you want to compete with walmart&co, you simply
have to find a niche and do it better at least until walmart copies you.
Farmers markets stay in business by providing niche products (organic,
etc.) Lots of small bookstores, retail outlets have done the same.
Or pretend that you don't have to improve and watch the local
supermarket kill your business.


George October 27th 08 01:02 PM

backstab outlets
 
Larry Caldwell wrote:
In article ,
(AZ Nomad) says...

I don't know why people keep picking on walmart in particular. It's
no different than the supermarket chains, or any other large chain.


Plus, back stab receptacles have been around a lot longer than Wal-mart
has.


Sure but the discussion involves poor quality. Take a look at the older
version of a lot of stuff and the current version.

HeyBub[_3_] October 27th 08 01:53 PM

backstab outlets
 
George wrote:
Larry Caldwell wrote:
In article ,
(AZ Nomad) says...

I don't know why people keep picking on walmart in particular. It's
no different than the supermarket chains, or any other large chain.


Plus, back stab receptacles have been around a lot longer than
Wal-mart has.


Sure but the discussion involves poor quality. Take a look at the
older version of a lot of stuff and the current version.


You mean like dentistry?



Larry Caldwell October 27th 08 03:24 PM

backstab outlets
 
In article ,
lid (George) says...
Larry Caldwell wrote:
In article ,
(AZ Nomad) says...

I don't know why people keep picking on walmart in particular. It's
no different than the supermarket chains, or any other large chain.


Plus, back stab receptacles have been around a lot longer than Wal-mart
has.


Sure but the discussion involves poor quality. Take a look at the older
version of a lot of stuff and the current version.


Cheesy has always been around. You just don't remember it, because all
the junk has been thrown away. It's the same old "they don't build them
like they used to," when the fact is that only the excellent homes
survived long enough for a comparison. There was a lot of crap that
fell down decades ago. It's why we have building codes.

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Nate Nagel October 27th 08 11:30 PM

backstab outlets
 
George wrote:
Larry Caldwell wrote:
In article ,
(AZ Nomad) says...

I don't know why people keep picking on walmart in particular. It's
no different than the supermarket chains, or any other large chain.


Plus, back stab receptacles have been around a lot longer than
Wal-mart has.


Sure but the discussion involves poor quality. Take a look at the older
version of a lot of stuff and the current version.


to be fair, backstab receptacles always sucked.

nate

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George October 27th 08 11:31 PM

backstab outlets
 
HeyBub wrote:
George wrote:
Larry Caldwell wrote:
In article ,
(AZ Nomad) says...

I don't know why people keep picking on walmart in particular. It's
no different than the supermarket chains, or any other large chain.
Plus, back stab receptacles have been around a lot longer than
Wal-mart has.


Sure but the discussion involves poor quality. Take a look at the
older version of a lot of stuff and the current version.


You mean like dentistry?


Walmart has dentists?

Nate Nagel October 27th 08 11:35 PM

backstab outlets
 
George wrote:
HeyBub wrote:
George wrote:
Larry Caldwell wrote:
In article ,
(AZ Nomad) says...

I don't know why people keep picking on walmart in particular. It's
no different than the supermarket chains, or any other large chain.
Plus, back stab receptacles have been around a lot longer than
Wal-mart has.


Sure but the discussion involves poor quality. Take a look at the
older version of a lot of stuff and the current version.


You mean like dentistry?

Walmart has dentists?


Wouldn't surprise me if they did; I believe they have optometrists now.

nate

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Bud-- October 28th 08 04:59 PM

backstab outlets
 
Nate Nagel wrote:
George wrote:
Larry Caldwell wrote:
In article ,
(AZ Nomad) says...

I don't know why people keep picking on walmart in particular. It's
no different than the supermarket chains, or any other large chain.

Plus, back stab receptacles have been around a lot longer than
Wal-mart has.


Sure but the discussion involves poor quality. Take a look at the
older version of a lot of stuff and the current version.


to be fair, backstab receptacles always sucked.


IMHO the people that should be stabbed in the back area are at UL that
allows these atrocities. At least you can't use #12 wire anymore.

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