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Prospects of selling a house next door to a "reformed" spree killer?
Any realtors reading?
Let's say someone like Kip Kinkel - schizophrenic kid who killed his parents and shot up his school about 10 years ago - got a commutation of his sentence as some people think he should since they feel he was a "victim" who didn't get the help he needed and was treated unfairly, and was in the market to buy a house. They're convinced that with meds and supervision he would probably have no problems living as a free man. I assume realtors aren't going to turn down his money so I imagine he'd find someone to sell him a house, but even if they make an effort to conceal who the new neighbor is, I imagine at some point word is going to get out that he lives in that house. Would you even be able to give away any of the nearby houses once it became common knowledge? Or, if a realtor made efforts to conceal this fact when selling a neighboring house, do the buyers have any recourse? |
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On Jun 17, 11:34*pm, richard wrote:
Would you even be able to give away any of the nearby houses once it became common knowledge? Or, if a realtor made efforts to conceal this fact when selling a neighboring house, do the buyers have any recourse? So you're a card carrying member of NIMBY huh? Of course my scenario was hypothetical, but are you saying you'd be fine with it if you for example had small kids and found out you just bought a house next to someone who'd done a stretch for pedophilia related crimes? Or someone famous for having murdered a bunch of people at some point because "the voices" told him to? Even if you did find out, there is no legal recourse you can take to force him to move elsewhere. I was thinking of recourse against the realtor and/or seller for not disclosing the information. |
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On Jun 18, 12:29*am, "Rod Speed" wrote:
but even if they make an effort to conceal who the new neighbor is, I imagine at some point word is going to get out that he lives in that house. You've clearly got a vivid imagination. You've clearly never heard of Lawrence Singleton. |
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On Jun 18, 1:14*am, (Dick Adams) wrote:
Let's change this to Lee (a gender neutral name), a convicted sex offender sentenced to probation only, wants to buy or rent. 1) Who has a obligation to investigate Lee's background * *before becoming Lee's agent or selling or renting to * *Lee? To clarify, I'm thinking of the realtor or seller of a house in close proximity to the killer, not the killer's realtor. |
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On Jun 18, 1:03*am, "Rod Speed" wrote:
wrote (Dick Adams) wrote Let's change this to Lee (a gender neutral name), a convicted sex offender sentenced to probation only, wants to buy or rent. 1) Who has a obligation to investigate Lee's background before becoming Lee's agent or selling or renting to Lee? To clarify, I'm thinking of the realtor or seller of a house in close proximity to the killer, not the killer's realtor. There is still no legal obligation, and if there was, they'd just avoid finding out the information you want them to disclose. And its just not feasible to require everyone to check on all new tenants or purchasers of property to see if they have ever had a criminal conviction, or have ever been a loony etc. And the reality is that you are FAR more likely to end up with a bad result from someone who hasnt got caught yet anyway. It has happened but there were a couple of more murders and he went back to jail |
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On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 16:03:19 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote Re Prospects of selling a house next door to a "reformed" spree killer?: And its just not feasible to require everyone to check on all new tenants or purchasers of property to see if they have ever had a criminal conviction, or have ever been a loony etc. How does someone with that kind of past get a loan? Or, are they all-cash buyers? |
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(Dick Adams) wrote: Let's change this to Lee (a gender neutral name), a convicted sex offender sentenced to probation only, wants to buy or rent. 1) Who has a obligation to investigate Lee's background before becoming Lee's agent or selling or renting to Lee? To clarify, I'm thinking of the realtor or seller of a house in close proximity to the killer, not the killer's realtor. How many people purchased a house with any knowledge of the history of their neighbors? Dick |
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richard wrote:
Unless state law requires it, no real estate agent is required to do a background check. In most states, it is illegal to deny an ex-con housing based on this fact. Let alone a person on probation. Huh? In my state, an ex-con cannot be a lawyer, schoolteacher, accountant, become a barber, cosmetologist, surveyor, architect, get a hazardous chemical endorsement for their driver's license, own an exterminating company, nursery (either plant or kid), vote, become a notary, sell securities, be a REALTOR(!), or drive a cab. I'd be astonished to learn that ANY state outlaws discrimination against a felon. |
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In article , Dick Adams says...
wrote: (Dick Adams) wrote: Let's change this to Lee (a gender neutral name), a convicted sex offender sentenced to probation only, wants to buy or rent. 1) Who has a obligation to investigate Lee's background before becoming Lee's agent or selling or renting to Lee? To clarify, I'm thinking of the realtor or seller of a house in close proximity to the killer, not the killer's realtor. How many people purchased a house with any knowledge of the history of their neighbors? Also, neighbors move away and new people move in. Not everything in life is in our control. One of the first tenets in wisdom, IMO. Banty |
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In article , HeyBub says...
wrote: Any realtors reading? Let's say someone like Kip Kinkel - schizophrenic kid who killed his parents and shot up his school about 10 years ago - got a commutation of his sentence as some people think he should since they feel he was a "victim" who didn't get the help he needed and was treated unfairly, and was in the market to buy a house. They're convinced that with meds and supervision he would probably have no problems living as a free man. I assume realtors aren't going to turn down his money so I imagine he'd find someone to sell him a house, but even if they make an effort to conceal who the new neighbor is, I imagine at some point word is going to get out that he lives in that house. Would you even be able to give away any of the nearby houses once it became common knowledge? Or, if a realtor made efforts to conceal this fact when selling a neighboring house, do the buyers have any recourse? Sure. First you have to recognize that there are some things the government won't or can't do to help you - you must take matters into your own hands. You, and several of your burly neighbors, could organize a little house-warming party for your new best friend. You could make it clear to your new neighbor, partly though a show of weapons, but mainly through the letting of blood, that his continued presence is cause for discord and conflict within the community. That's called assault and battery, and possibly tresspass as well, and the government most certainly can and will help *him* in that regard. Guy I used to work with came home one day and his wife told him that a new neighbor had groped or otherwise molested their six-year old daughter. My friend and three of his buddies visited the perv and beat him so badly he couldn't even lie down. Told him he had 48 hours to be out of the county. It worked. Lucky him. Banty |
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On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:53:42 -0400, Larry wrote:
In article , richard wrote: On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 05:14:05 +0000 (UTC), (Dick Adams) wrote: wrote: Let's say someone like Kip Kinkel - schizophrenic kid who killed his parents and shot up his school about 10 years ago - got a commutation of his sentence as some people think he should since they feel he was a "victim" who didn't get the help he needed and was treated unfairly, and was in the market to buy a house. They're convinced that with meds and supervision he would probably have no problems living as a free man. Let's change this to Lee (a gender neutral name), a convicted sex offender sentenced to probation only, wants to buy or rent. 1) Who has a obligation to investigate Lee's background before becoming Lee's agent or selling or renting to Lee? A landlord was be negligent not to investigate renting to Lee. Agents who have a concern for long-term reputation in a community should investigate. But to a seller, this is a single period relationship with no subsequent repercussions. Unless state law requires it, no real estate agent is required to do a background check. In most states, it is illegal to deny an ex-con housing based on this fact. Let alone a person on probation. Richard, we've been through this before. Being a convicted criminal is not a protected class and someone can refuse to rent/sell to them based on that factor. Suppose a single woman with three daughters has a room to rent in her house, and a convicted child molester who was just released from prison wants to live there. You think she is required by law to rent him the room? Do you really? The issue deals with real estate agents. Not landlords. Besides, under Megan's law, he would not be allowed to live in those conditions. A landlord has the legal right to deny anyone. Specially a homeowner who is just renting out space. |
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On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:50:04 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote: wrote: Any realtors reading? Let's say someone like Kip Kinkel - schizophrenic kid who killed his parents and shot up his school about 10 years ago - got a commutation of his sentence as some people think he should since they feel he was a "victim" who didn't get the help he needed and was treated unfairly, and was in the market to buy a house. They're convinced that with meds and supervision he would probably have no problems living as a free man. I assume realtors aren't going to turn down his money so I imagine he'd find someone to sell him a house, but even if they make an effort to conceal who the new neighbor is, I imagine at some point word is going to get out that he lives in that house. Would you even be able to give away any of the nearby houses once it became common knowledge? Or, if a realtor made efforts to conceal this fact when selling a neighboring house, do the buyers have any recourse? Sure. First you have to recognize that there are some things the government won't or can't do to help you - you must take matters into your own hands. You, and several of your burly neighbors, could organize a little house-warming party for your new best friend. You could make it clear to your new neighbor, partly though a show of weapons, but mainly through the letting of blood, that his continued presence is cause for discord and conflict within the community. Guy I used to work with came home one day and his wife told him that a new neighbor had groped or otherwise molested their six-year old daughter. My friend and three of his buddies visited the perv and beat him so badly he couldn't even lie down. Told him he had 48 hours to be out of the county. It worked. And the perv could have filed assault and battery charges as well have sued in civil court and won. Guess who the jail bird is now? This isn't the days of the wild west where vigilante style law enforcement is the law of the land. |
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On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:43:16 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote: richard wrote: Unless state law requires it, no real estate agent is required to do a background check. In most states, it is illegal to deny an ex-con housing based on this fact. Let alone a person on probation. Huh? In my state, an ex-con cannot be a lawyer, schoolteacher, accountant, become a barber, cosmetologist, surveyor, architect, get a hazardous chemical endorsement for their driver's license, own an exterminating company, nursery (either plant or kid), vote, become a notary, sell securities, be a REALTOR(!), or drive a cab. I'd be astonished to learn that ANY state outlaws discrimination against a felon. Which state would this be in? The issue is housing. Not employment. |
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richard wrote:
On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:43:16 -0500, "HeyBub" wrote: richard wrote: Unless state law requires it, no real estate agent is required to do a background check. In most states, it is illegal to deny an ex-con housing based on this fact. Let alone a person on probation. Huh? In my state, an ex-con cannot be a lawyer, schoolteacher, accountant, become a barber, cosmetologist, surveyor, architect, get a hazardous chemical endorsement for their driver's license, own an exterminating company, nursery (either plant or kid), vote, become a notary, sell securities, be a REALTOR(!), or drive a cab. I'd be astonished to learn that ANY state outlaws discrimination against a felon. Which state would this be in? The issue is housing. Not employment. My state is Texas. Frankly, I'm distressed that my state even allows them to marry, own property, or attend a church. Discrimination is not, per se, illegal. I recall when Peter Lawford and his wife tried to buy an apartment in New York and the resident's committee turned down their application. When pressed, the committee said: "He's an actor and she's a Democrat. We don't allow either on the property." |
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On Jun 18, 7:50*am, "HeyBub" wrote:
Guy I used to work with came home one day and his wife told him that a new neighbor had groped or otherwise molested their six-year old daughter. My friend and three of his buddies visited the perv and beat him so badly he couldn't even lie down. Told him he had 48 hours to be out of the county. It worked. Yeah, just like Jonathon Edington who grabbed a knife and went and murdered his innocent neighbor. Whoops! |
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richard wrote:
On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:50:04 -0500, "HeyBub" wrote: wrote: Any realtors reading? Let's say someone like Kip Kinkel - schizophrenic kid who killed his parents and shot up his school about 10 years ago - got a commutation of his sentence as some people think he should since they feel he was a "victim" who didn't get the help he needed and was treated unfairly, and was in the market to buy a house. They're convinced that with meds and supervision he would probably have no problems living as a free man. I assume realtors aren't going to turn down his money so I imagine he'd find someone to sell him a house, but even if they make an effort to conceal who the new neighbor is, I imagine at some point word is going to get out that he lives in that house. Would you even be able to give away any of the nearby houses once it became common knowledge? Or, if a realtor made efforts to conceal this fact when selling a neighboring house, do the buyers have any recourse? Sure. First you have to recognize that there are some things the government won't or can't do to help you - you must take matters into your own hands. You, and several of your burly neighbors, could organize a little house-warming party for your new best friend. You could make it clear to your new neighbor, partly though a show of weapons, but mainly through the letting of blood, that his continued presence is cause for discord and conflict within the community. Guy I used to work with came home one day and his wife told him that a new neighbor had groped or otherwise molested their six-year old daughter. My friend and three of his buddies visited the perv and beat him so badly he couldn't even lie down. Told him he had 48 hours to be out of the county. It worked. And the perv could have filed assault and battery charges as well have sued in civil court and won. Guess who the jail bird is now? This isn't the days of the wild west where vigilante style law enforcement is the law of the land. It is here (I'm in Texas). Too bad some have to live in a community where they have to put up with such nonsense. Our sheriff once said to a criminal defense attorney: "Don't **** with me, asshole! I can get you killed for a case of beer!" Lest you think I exaggerate, Google "Joe Horn." This guy is waiting for a grand jury to no-bill him for gunning down a couple of goblins in his front yard. The squints had just burglarized Joe's neighbor. Joe saw his duty and he did it. As to your specific observations: If the complainant is dead, there's really no viable criminal action. Regarding a possible civil action, that, too, dies with the only adverse witness. Oh, and the guy I used to work with? He was the resident deputy sheriff. In the most populous county - out of 255 - in the state (about four million people live here). It's a great place to be! (unless you're naughty). |
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thedarkonelives wrote
I was thinking of recourse against the realtor and/or seller for not disclosing the information. Laws may not *allow* the relator to disclose such even if they are aware of it. The home owner may or may not be required to disclose such, rather area dependant on disclosure laws. In my area for example, folks selling are advised to 'not disclose' as you can't be sued later for anything that comes up. If you do 'disclose' you can be sued even years later for just about anything even if you can prove you did NOT know about it (obviously hard to prove such, and wont save you here). 'Technically' my house was bought 'non-disclosed' but folks have a way here of working out basic stuff 'off the record'. Seller for example quietly warned us that with a house built in 1963, it was largely code-spec to 1963 and that future work, depending on what it was, would sometimes entail additional costs. He was real careful to explain the back room was codespec only to 'enclosed porch' for example and now we understand why ;-). Reality is at the time it was a rental bedroom for a roomate, bed and all. It's a 'legal thing' to call my home a 3BR 1.5 bath, vice a 4 BR 1.5 bath. Had he tried to market it as a 4 BR officially, he would have been required to pay to bring that encloser to codespec of the time for a BR. |
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In article ,
HeyBub wrote: richard wrote: On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:50:04 -0500, "HeyBub" wrote: wrote: Any realtors reading? Let's say someone like Kip Kinkel - schizophrenic kid who killed his parents and shot up his school about 10 years ago - got a commutation of his sentence as some people think he should since they feel he was a "victim" who didn't get the help he needed and was treated unfairly, and was in the market to buy a house. They're convinced that with meds and supervision he would probably have no problems living as a free man. I assume realtors aren't going to turn down his money so I imagine he'd find someone to sell him a house, but even if they make an effort to conceal who the new neighbor is, I imagine at some point word is going to get out that he lives in that house. Would you even be able to give away any of the nearby houses once it became common knowledge? Or, if a realtor made efforts to conceal this fact when selling a neighboring house, do the buyers have any recourse? Sure. First you have to recognize that there are some things the government won't or can't do to help you - you must take matters into your own hands. You, and several of your burly neighbors, could organize a little house-warming party for your new best friend. You could make it clear to your new neighbor, partly though a show of weapons, but mainly through the letting of blood, that his continued presence is cause for discord and conflict within the community. Guy I used to work with came home one day and his wife told him that a new neighbor had groped or otherwise molested their six-year old daughter. My friend and three of his buddies visited the perv and beat him so badly he couldn't even lie down. Told him he had 48 hours to be out of the county. It worked. And the perv could have filed assault and battery charges as well have sued in civil court and won. Guess who the jail bird is now? This isn't the days of the wild west where vigilante style law enforcement is the law of the land. It is here (I'm in Texas). Too bad some have to live in a community where they have to put up with such nonsense. Our sheriff once said to a criminal defense attorney: "Don't **** with me, asshole! I can get you killed for a case of beer!" Lest you think I exaggerate, Google "Joe Horn." This guy is waiting for a grand jury to no-bill him for gunning down a couple of goblins in his front yard. The squints had just burglarized Joe's neighbor. Joe saw his duty and he did it. What does the 'code of the west' say about shooting two men in the back? |
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On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:46:06 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote: richard wrote: On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:50:04 -0500, "HeyBub" wrote: wrote: Any realtors reading? Let's say someone like Kip Kinkel - schizophrenic kid who killed his parents and shot up his school about 10 years ago - got a commutation of his sentence as some people think he should since they feel he was a "victim" who didn't get the help he needed and was treated unfairly, and was in the market to buy a house. They're convinced that with meds and supervision he would probably have no problems living as a free man. I assume realtors aren't going to turn down his money so I imagine he'd find someone to sell him a house, but even if they make an effort to conceal who the new neighbor is, I imagine at some point word is going to get out that he lives in that house. Would you even be able to give away any of the nearby houses once it became common knowledge? Or, if a realtor made efforts to conceal this fact when selling a neighboring house, do the buyers have any recourse? Sure. First you have to recognize that there are some things the government won't or can't do to help you - you must take matters into your own hands. You, and several of your burly neighbors, could organize a little house-warming party for your new best friend. You could make it clear to your new neighbor, partly though a show of weapons, but mainly through the letting of blood, that his continued presence is cause for discord and conflict within the community. Guy I used to work with came home one day and his wife told him that a new neighbor had groped or otherwise molested their six-year old daughter. My friend and three of his buddies visited the perv and beat him so badly he couldn't even lie down. Told him he had 48 hours to be out of the county. It worked. And the perv could have filed assault and battery charges as well have sued in civil court and won. Guess who the jail bird is now? This isn't the days of the wild west where vigilante style law enforcement is the law of the land. It is here (I'm in Texas). Too bad some have to live in a community where they have to put up with such nonsense. Our sheriff once said to a criminal defense attorney: "Don't **** with me, asshole! I can get you killed for a case of beer!" Lest you think I exaggerate, Google "Joe Horn." This guy is waiting for a grand jury to no-bill him for gunning down a couple of goblins in his front yard. The squints had just burglarized Joe's neighbor. Joe saw his duty and he did it. As to your specific observations: If the complainant is dead, there's really no viable criminal action. Regarding a possible civil action, that, too, dies with the only adverse witness. Oh, and the guy I used to work with? He was the resident deputy sheriff. In the most populous county - out of 255 - in the state (about four million people live here). It's a great place to be! (unless you're naughty). Your deputy sheriff is a frickin loose cannon. He should have been charged and placed on leave without pay. Joe Horn was told several times by the 911 dispatcher that plain clothes officers were on the scene. Yet, the man took the law into his own hands and killed two people. Luckily, he got the right two. How did he know those two goblins weren't cops? Even texas cops get busted for violating the law. Your friend just happens to be lucky so far. |
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Prospects of selling a house next door to a "reformed" spree killer?
On 18 Jun 2008 13:51:34 -0400, (tjab) wrote:
In article , HeyBub wrote: richard wrote: On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:50:04 -0500, "HeyBub" wrote: wrote: Any realtors reading? Let's say someone like Kip Kinkel - schizophrenic kid who killed his parents and shot up his school about 10 years ago - got a commutation of his sentence as some people think he should since they feel he was a "victim" who didn't get the help he needed and was treated unfairly, and was in the market to buy a house. They're convinced that with meds and supervision he would probably have no problems living as a free man. I assume realtors aren't going to turn down his money so I imagine he'd find someone to sell him a house, but even if they make an effort to conceal who the new neighbor is, I imagine at some point word is going to get out that he lives in that house. Would you even be able to give away any of the nearby houses once it became common knowledge? Or, if a realtor made efforts to conceal this fact when selling a neighboring house, do the buyers have any recourse? Sure. First you have to recognize that there are some things the government won't or can't do to help you - you must take matters into your own hands. You, and several of your burly neighbors, could organize a little house-warming party for your new best friend. You could make it clear to your new neighbor, partly though a show of weapons, but mainly through the letting of blood, that his continued presence is cause for discord and conflict within the community. Guy I used to work with came home one day and his wife told him that a new neighbor had groped or otherwise molested their six-year old daughter. My friend and three of his buddies visited the perv and beat him so badly he couldn't even lie down. Told him he had 48 hours to be out of the county. It worked. And the perv could have filed assault and battery charges as well have sued in civil court and won. Guess who the jail bird is now? This isn't the days of the wild west where vigilante style law enforcement is the law of the land. It is here (I'm in Texas). Too bad some have to live in a community where they have to put up with such nonsense. Our sheriff once said to a criminal defense attorney: "Don't **** with me, asshole! I can get you killed for a case of beer!" Lest you think I exaggerate, Google "Joe Horn." This guy is waiting for a grand jury to no-bill him for gunning down a couple of goblins in his front yard. The squints had just burglarized Joe's neighbor. Joe saw his duty and he did it. What does the 'code of the west' say about shooting two men in the back? Even more so, unarmed. Even the wild west law saw that as murder. |
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Prospects of selling a house next door to a "reformed" spree killer?
On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:31:04 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote: richard wrote: On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:43:16 -0500, "HeyBub" wrote: richard wrote: Unless state law requires it, no real estate agent is required to do a background check. In most states, it is illegal to deny an ex-con housing based on this fact. Let alone a person on probation. Huh? In my state, an ex-con cannot be a lawyer, schoolteacher, accountant, become a barber, cosmetologist, surveyor, architect, get a hazardous chemical endorsement for their driver's license, own an exterminating company, nursery (either plant or kid), vote, become a notary, sell securities, be a REALTOR(!), or drive a cab. I'd be astonished to learn that ANY state outlaws discrimination against a felon. Which state would this be in? The issue is housing. Not employment. My state is Texas. Frankly, I'm distressed that my state even allows them to marry, own property, or attend a church. Discrimination is not, per se, illegal. I recall when Peter Lawford and his wife tried to buy an apartment in New York and the resident's committee turned down their application. When pressed, the committee said: "He's an actor and she's a Democrat. We don't allow either on the property." That's a totally different situation. As neither condition is protected by law, they can turn down people on those basis. |
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Rod Speed wrote wrote (Dick Adams) wrote Let's change this to Lee (a gender neutral name), a convicted sex offender sentenced to probation only, wants to buy or rent. 1) Who has a obligation to investigate Lee's background before becoming Lee's agent or selling or renting to Lee? To clarify, I'm thinking of the realtor or seller of a house in close proximity to the killer, not the killer's realtor. There is still no legal obligation, and if there was, they'd just avoid finding out the information you want them to disclose. And its just not feasible to require everyone to check on all new tenants or purchasers of property to see if they have ever had a criminal conviction, or have ever been a loony etc. And the reality is that you are FAR more likely to end up with a bad result from someone who hasnt got caught yet anyway. It has happened but there were a couple of more murders and he went back to jail Sure, that certainly happens, but its MUCH more likely that you will end up with a bad result from someone who hasnt got caught yet. AND the only alternative is to lock up all criminals until they die anyway. |
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Prospects of selling a house next door to a "reformed" spree killer?
cshenk wrote:
In my area for example, folks selling are advised to 'not disclose' as you can't be sued later for anything that comes up. If you do 'disclose' you can be sued even years later for just about anything even if you can prove you did NOT know about it (obviously hard to prove such, and wont save you here). Are you sure about that? I would think it would be the reverse: Disclosure immunizes you from being sued in that the buyer knew what he was getting. Non-disclosure allows the buyer to presume nothing abnormal about the property. |
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richard wrote:
Your deputy sheriff is a frickin loose cannon. He should have been charged and placed on leave without pay. Joe Horn was told several times by the 911 dispatcher that plain clothes officers were on the scene. Yet, the man took the law into his own hands and killed two people. Luckily, he got the right two. How did he know those two goblins weren't cops? If Joe's case ever does come to trial, he has available "But yer honor, they NEEDED killin' " defense. Even texas cops get busted for violating the law. Your friend just happens to be lucky so far. |
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The only way killers, rapists, molesters, etc should get out of jail
is in a casket!!!! On Jun 17, 11:34*pm, richard wrote: On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:57:03 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Any realtors reading? Let's say someone like Kip Kinkel - schizophrenic kid who killed his parents and shot up his school about 10 years ago - got a commutation of his sentence as some people think he should since they feel he was a "victim" who didn't get the help he needed and was treated unfairly, and was in the market to buy a house. They're convinced that with meds and supervision he would probably have no problems living as a free man. I assume realtors aren't going to turn down his money so I imagine he'd find someone to sell him a house, *but even if they make an effort to conceal who the new neighbor is, I imagine at some point word is going to get out that he lives in that house. Would you even be able to give away any of the nearby houses once it became common knowledge? Or, if a realtor made efforts to conceal this fact when selling a neighboring house, do the buyers have any recourse? So you're a card carrying member of NIMBY huh? Any person who has served his time in incarceration, is entitled to live somewhere. Technically, YOU, the prospective neighbor is not necessarily entitled to know that this person WAS ever incarcerated. Even if you did find out, there is no legal recourse you can take to force him to move elsewhere.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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