I want to make some custom solid wood doors and I hear that a wood
called jarrah has nice qualities though I would probably use
traditional woods like oak, ash, poplar, etc if they were more readily
available. Buying wood for the rails and stiles is easy enough, but
does anyone know of someplace where I can buy 80" x 32" x 2" wood
boards that I can use to make my doors with?

Ron

On Jun 16, 7:18 am, Ron wrote:
I want to make some custom solid wood doors and I hear that a wood
called jarrah has nice qualities though I would probably use
traditional woods like oak, ash, poplar, etc if they were more readily
available. Buying wood for the rails and stiles is easy enough, but
does anyone know of someplace where I can buy 80" x 32" x 2" wood
boards that I can use to make my doors with?

Do you want the ones that were grown to already have panels and
mortises?

R

"Ron" wrote in message
...
I want to make some custom solid wood doors and I hear that a wood
called jarrah has nice qualities though I would probably use
traditional woods like oak, ash, poplar, etc if they were more readily
available. Buying wood for the rails and stiles is easy enough, but
does anyone know of someplace where I can buy 80" x 32" x 2" wood
boards that I can use to make my doors with?

Ron


Post this in rec.woodworking if you don't get enough responses here.

On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 04:18:31 -0700 (PDT), Ron wrote:

I want to make some custom solid wood doors and I hear that a wood
called jarrah has nice qualities though I would probably use
traditional woods like oak, ash, poplar, etc if they were more readily
available. Buying wood for the rails and stiles is easy enough, but
does anyone know of someplace where I can buy 80" x 32" x 2" wood
boards that I can use to make my doors with?

Ron

Why would you need 80x32x2 wood? Since you speak about rails and
stiles, you will need floating panels of some kind, ply or glued-up
solid-wood panels. Poplar is a good choice if you paint. Making
custom doors without some experience can be a challenge, but there are
detailed instructions (books, magazines, etc) available to minimize
the frustrations.

Ron wrote:
....

does anyone know of someplace where I can buy 80" x 32" x 2" wood
boards that I can use to make my doors with?

You wouldn't want to pay for it if you found it, I'm sure.

Assuming this isn't simply trolling, a solid panel would be far less
suitable than a glued-up one or, if not raised, ply.

As for source of supply, look in local yellow pages under "Hardwoods".

--

Ron wrote:
I want to make some custom solid wood doors and I hear that a wood
called jarrah has nice qualities though I would probably use
traditional woods like oak, ash, poplar, etc if they were more readily
available. Buying wood for the rails and stiles is easy enough, but
does anyone know of someplace where I can buy 80" x 32" x 2" wood
boards that I can use to make my doors with?

For all you retards that didn't read Ron's original post, he wants to
make SOLID WOOD doors.

He says he can get wood for stiles and rails, BUT he wants to buy
solid planks. He does NOT want to build a raised panel door.

Ron, you simply cannot get a single 32" wide plank of any thickness or
length. All the trees that would've been big enough to produce a plank
that size were cut up decades ago.

There are problems with planks that big and thick is that they're not
stable. Most of them would've split during drying, and the few that
didn't, would've split in the ensuing years. The shrinking and
swelling stresses on such a large uninterrupted expanse of wood is
just more than wood grain can handle.

If you want a solid wood door, you need to join multiple narrower
planks to make one larger plank. The upside to this is dimensional
stability. It won't crack. The downside is that you'll end up with a
minimum of three grain patterns in the door because planks wider than
12" are nearly impossible to find.

If you want a single grain pattern, you need to use a veneer over a
solid wood core.

wrote:
Ron wrote:
....
... Buying wood for the rails and stiles ...

For all you retards that didn't read Ron's original post, he wants to
make SOLID WOOD doors.

He says he can get wood for stiles and rails, BUT he wants to buy
solid planks. He does NOT want to build a raised panel door.

Well, solid he does say; whether the object is a raised panel or slab
door is left at best indeterminate.

The post actually says he can buy the wood "for _THE_ rails and stiles"
which if read literally means he will be building a panel door; whether
raised or not isn't addressed.

One can also presume it means what you said it does, but it certainly
isn't conclusive.

OTOH, as others have pointed out and you in more detail, the idea of
making a door of a single 2" plank isn't the best in the world...

--

On Jun 16, 2:07 pm, dpb wrote:
wrote:
Ron wrote:
...
... Buying wood for the rails and stiles ...

For all you retards that didn't read Ron's original post, he wants to
make SOLID WOOD doors.

Dude, panel doors are SOLID WOOD.

He says he can get wood for stiles and rails, BUT he wants to buy
solid planks. He does NOT want to build a raised panel door.

Okay, Sparky, then what's with the rails and stiles? If he has rails
and stiles why does he need a door sized piece of wood?

The OP's post is unclear as to his intentions, yours is just stupid,
but it's nice to see you sticking up for _your_ assumptions about
someone else's post.

Well, solid he does say; whether the object is a raised panel or slab
door is left at best indeterminate.

The post actually says he can buy the wood "for _THE_ rails and stiles"
which if read literally means he will be building a panel door; whether
raised or not isn't addressed.

One can also presume it means what you said it does, but it certainly
isn't conclusive.

OTOH, as others have pointed out and you in more detail, the idea of
making a door of a single 2" plank isn't the best in the world...

Probably closer to one of the worst ideas. Then again, if you don't
mind the width of the door varying by about half an inch with seasonal
changes in temperature and humidity, it would be simple, eh? Just
like a hollow core door only heavier...and less stable...and far more
expensive...and guaranteed to split...and... Well, you get the idea.

R

On Jun 16, 10:37*am, wrote:
Ron wrote:
I want to make some custom solid wood doors and I hear that a wood
called jarrah has nice qualities though I would probably use
traditional woods like oak, ash, poplar, etc if they were more readily
available. Buying wood for the rails and stiles is easy enough, but
does anyone know of someplace where I can buy 80" x 32" x 2" wood
boards that I can use to make my doors with?

For all you retards that didn't read Ron's original post, he wants to
make SOLID WOOD doors.

He says he can get wood for stiles and rails, BUT he wants to buy
solid planks. He does NOT want to build a raised panel door.

Ron, you simply cannot get a single 32" wide plank of any thickness or
length. All the trees that would've been big enough to produce a plank
that size were cut up decades ago.

There are problems with planks that big and thick is that they're not
stable. Most of them would've split during drying, and the few that
didn't, would've split in the ensuing years. The shrinking and
swelling stresses on such a large uninterrupted expanse of wood is
just more than wood grain can handle.

If you want a solid wood door, you need to join multiple narrower
planks to make one larger plank. The upside to this is dimensional
stability. It won't crack. The downside is that you'll end up with a
minimum of three grain patterns in the door because planks wider than
12" are nearly impossible to find.

If you want a single grain pattern, you need to use a veneer over a
solid wood core.

I had just seen an article where a guy was making 1-1/2" thick jarrah
wood doors. Unfortunately, he was also the sole supplier of the panels
listed in the article; when I went to see about them all I got was a
dead link, leaving me stuck with what looks like a really great
project but no way to finish it. I was hoping for once to be able to
find decent wood panels without having to try and glue smaller panels
together. But it seems like it's easier to find weapons grade
plutonium than a nice, wide, piece of wood. ;-(

Ron

On Jun 16, 12:02*pm, RicodJour wrote:
On Jun 16, 2:07 pm, dpb wrote:

wrote:
Ron wrote:
...
... Buying wood for the rails and stiles ...

For all you retards that didn't read Ron's original post, he wants to
make SOLID WOOD doors.

Dude, panel doors are SOLID WOOD.

He says he can get wood for stiles and rails, BUT he wants to buy
solid planks. He does NOT want to build a raised panel door.

Okay, Sparky, then what's with the rails and stiles? *If he has rails
and stiles why does he need a door sized piece of wood?

The OP's post is unclear as to his intentions, yours is just stupid,
but it's nice to see you sticking up for _your_ assumptions about
someone else's post.

Well, solid he does say; whether the object is a raised panel or slab
door is left at best indeterminate.

The post actually says he can buy the wood "for _THE_ rails and stiles"
which if read literally means he will be building a panel door; whether
raised or not isn't addressed.

One can also presume it means what you said it does, but it certainly
isn't conclusive.

OTOH, as others have pointed out and you in more detail, the idea of
making a door of a single 2" plank isn't the best in the world...

Probably closer to one of the worst ideas. *Then again, if you don't
mind the width of the door varying by about half an inch with seasonal
changes in temperature and humidity, it would be simple, eh? *Just
like a hollow core door only heavier...and less stable...and far more
expensive...and guaranteed to split...and... *Well, you get the idea.

R

Sigh... Just for the record, some-- if not many-- solid wood doors
have a large slab of wood to which the rails and stiles are attached
over that piece of wood; particularly exterior doors. Finding wood for
those overlay pieces is easy enough; the problem is in finding a
source for the large, 1-1/2" thick ( not 2 inches) panel that the
other pieces will be attached to.

Ron

On Jun 16, 8:03 pm, Ron wrote:
On Jun 16, 12:02 pm, RicodJour wrote:



On Jun 16, 2:07 pm, dpb wrote:

wrote:
Ron wrote:
...
... Buying wood for the rails and stiles ...

For all you retards that didn't read Ron's original post, he wants to
make SOLID WOOD doors.

Dude, panel doors are SOLID WOOD.

He says he can get wood for stiles and rails, BUT he wants to buy
solid planks. He does NOT want to build a raised panel door.

Okay, Sparky, then what's with the rails and stiles? If he has rails
and stiles why does he need a door sized piece of wood?

The OP's post is unclear as to his intentions, yours is just stupid,
but it's nice to see you sticking up for _your_ assumptions about
someone else's post.

Well, solid he does say; whether the object is a raised panel or slab
door is left at best indeterminate.

The post actually says he can buy the wood "for _THE_ rails and stiles"
which if read literally means he will be building a panel door; whether
raised or not isn't addressed.

One can also presume it means what you said it does, but it certainly
isn't conclusive.

OTOH, as others have pointed out and you in more detail, the idea of
making a door of a single 2" plank isn't the best in the world...

Probably closer to one of the worst ideas. Then again, if you don't
mind the width of the door varying by about half an inch with seasonal
changes in temperature and humidity, it would be simple, eh? Just
like a hollow core door only heavier...and less stable...and far more
expensive...and guaranteed to split...and... Well, you get the idea.

Sigh... Just for the record, some-- if not many-- solid wood doors
have a large slab of wood to which the rails and stiles are attached
over that piece of wood; particularly exterior doors. Finding wood for
those overlay pieces is easy enough; the problem is in finding a
source for the large, 1-1/2" thick ( not 2 inches) panel that the
other pieces will be attached to.

Huh? You're going to attach rails and stiles to the face of a solid
slab of wood and you don't anticipate problems? Do the words cross
and grain mean anything to you?

For the record, rail and stile construction came about to deal with
cross grain and expansion issues - you know, splitting. Jarrah is
rated as moderately to poorly stable. Read this and see how many
reasons you can find for not using a big ass slab of Jarrah:
http://www.connectedlines.com/wood/wood36.htm

Still not convinced? Try this: http://www.diadot.com/links/shrink.html
Your beautiful door will expand and contract between 1/4" and 1/2"
with only a 5% change in moisture. Maybe having a breeze push open
the door because the latch no longer engages the strike sounds
appealing, but I think it sounds appalling.

Maybe there's a reason that that supplier of big ass slab Jarrah doors
is out of business...?

R

"Ron" wrote in message
...
I want to make some custom solid wood doors and I hear that a wood
called jarrah has nice qualities though I would probably use
traditional woods like oak, ash, poplar, etc if they were more readily
available. Buying wood for the rails and stiles is easy enough, but
does anyone know of someplace where I can buy 80" x 32" x 2" wood
boards that I can use to make my doors with?

Ron

You take the same wood used for the rails and stiles and glue it together to
the width you want.

It may be possible to find a single piece 32" wide, but it would probably
cost as much as the house.

On Jun 16, 6:53*pm, RicodJour wrote:
On Jun 16, 8:03 pm, Ron wrote:





On Jun 16, 12:02 pm, RicodJour wrote:

On Jun 16, 2:07 pm, dpb wrote:

wrote:
Ron wrote:
...
... Buying wood for the rails and stiles ...

For all you retards that didn't read Ron's original post, he wants to
make SOLID WOOD doors.

Dude, panel doors are SOLID WOOD.

He says he can get wood for stiles and rails, BUT he wants to buy
solid planks. He does NOT want to build a raised panel door.

Okay, Sparky, then what's with the rails and stiles? *If he has rails
and stiles why does he need a door sized piece of wood?

The OP's post is unclear as to his intentions, yours is just stupid,
but it's nice to see you sticking up for _your_ assumptions about
someone else's post.

Well, solid he does say; whether the object is a raised panel or slab
door is left at best indeterminate.

The post actually says he can buy the wood "for _THE_ rails and stiles"
which if read literally means he will be building a panel door; whether
raised or not isn't addressed.

One can also presume it means what you said it does, but it certainly
isn't conclusive.

OTOH, as others have pointed out and you in more detail, the idea of
making a door of a single 2" plank isn't the best in the world...

Probably closer to one of the worst ideas. *Then again, if you don't
mind the width of the door varying by about half an inch with seasonal
changes in temperature and humidity, it would be simple, eh? *Just
like a hollow core door only heavier...and less stable...and far more
expensive...and guaranteed to split...and... *Well, you get the idea..

Sigh... Just for the record, some-- if not many-- solid wood doors
have a large slab of wood to which the rails and stiles are attached
over that piece of wood; particularly exterior doors. Finding wood for
those overlay pieces is easy enough; the problem is in finding a
source for the large, 1-1/2" thick ( not 2 inches) *panel that the
other pieces will be attached to.

Huh? *You're going to attach rails and stiles to the face of a solid
slab of wood and you don't anticipate problems? *Do the words cross
and grain mean anything to you?

For the record, rail and stile construction came about to deal with
cross grain and expansion issues - you know, splitting. *Jarrah is
rated as moderately to poorly stable. *Read this and see how many
reasons you can *find for not using a big ass slab of Jarrah:http://www.connectedlines.com/wood/wood36.htm

Still not convinced? *Try this: *http://www.diadot.com/links/shrink.html
Your beautiful door will expand and contract between 1/4" and 1/2"
with only a 5% change in moisture. *Maybe having a breeze push open
the door because the latch no longer engages the strike sounds
appealing, but I think it sounds appalling.

Maybe there's a reason that that supplier of big ass slab Jarrah doors
is out of business...?

R- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No, I'm not convinced. There's a company that makes doors without
having to glue them:

http://www.timswoodshop.com/doors.htm

And if I could get the wood in a single board-- which is what I want--
I would pay as much as I needed to. I would rather not have to either
glue boards or have a door made out of glued boards; hence the name,
"solid wood."

Ron

On Jun 17, 12:42 am, Ron wrote:
On Jun 16, 6:53 pm, RicodJour wrote:

Huh? You're going to attach rails and stiles to the face of a solid
slab of wood and you don't anticipate problems? Do the words cross
and grain mean anything to you?

For the record, rail and stile construction came about to deal with
cross grain and expansion issues - you know, splitting. Jarrah is
rated as moderately to poorly stable. Read this and see how many
reasons you can find for not using a big ass slab of Jarrah:http://www.connectedlines.com/wood/wood36.htm

Still not convinced? Try this: http://www.diadot.com/links/shrink.html
Your beautiful door will expand and contract between 1/4" and 1/2"
with only a 5% change in moisture. Maybe having a breeze push open
the door because the latch no longer engages the strike sounds
appealing, but I think it sounds appalling.

Maybe there's a reason that that supplier of big ass slab Jarrah doors
is out of business...?

No, I'm not convinced. There's a company that makes doors without
having to glue them:

http://www.timswoodshop.com/doors.htm

And if I could get the wood in a single board-- which is what I want--
I would pay as much as I needed to. I would rather not have to either
glue boards or have a door made out of glued boards; hence the name,
"solid wood."

That link shows an old school door with traditional raised panel
construction, which, as I noted above, developed/evolved to deal with
the problem of wood movement. Their proud proclamation about using no
glue is referring to the stiles being one piece of wood and not glued
up from several pieces. There's plenty of glue in the joints in that
door. Otherwise the proud proclamation would be about pegged mortise
and tenons.

You are asking something like, "I want to build a square wheel, anyone
know where I can get a square tire and rim?" I have no idea how much
woodworking experience you have, but your intended construction of a
single huge ass slab of wood for a door would indicate not a lot. I
am not trying to insult you, just pointing out that you're entirely
ignoring wood movement which is something you simply cannot do when
building a wood door of any kind.

I'm also wondering if you realize that where the slab comes from in
the tree will have a huge impact on wood movement. That large of slab
will move a lot no matter what you do, but the only way to have it
move in a flat plane (no cupping, warping, bowing) is to have that
slab cut from the exact middle of the tree in three dimensions. You
know, impossible unless you're doing the cutting or buying the whole
trunk and having it cut and dried specifically for your project. That
unfortunately opens up _another_ can of worms. Such a slab would have
a large variance in grain pattern, particularly towards the middle of
the door, and would probably be more objectionable than having closely
matched boards cut from the same tree glued up into a slab of the
required size.

In a nutshell - you are designing an 'ideal' door theoretically while
paying no attention to the material. A very, very bad idea when
you're dealing with something that is not isotropic. You will end up
with something far less than an ideal door that will cost you far more
than any number of other, superior methods of construction.

R

Ron wrote:
....
No, I'm not convinced. There's a company that makes doors without
having to glue them:

http://www.timswoodshop.com/doors.htm

And if I could get the wood in a single board-- which is what I want--
I would pay as much as I needed to. I would rather not have to either
glue boards or have a door made out of glued boards; hence the name,
"solid wood."
....

As Rico notes, that's a traditionally-built raised panel door.

Also note there are vertical stiles in the middle on each door so the
panels aren't full width but only a about a quarter the width of the
door so he isn't using anything _close_ to a 32" slab--more like about
8-10" for most.

Let's see -- widest he lists is a 36" so 36" - 3 stiles @7" -- 21"
Divide by 2 and voila! -- 10.5" panels. So he needs 12" stock at most.

Also note even there he allows himself to glue up cherry if required for
the larger sizes because it isn't going to be available always.

--

dpb wrote:
....
Let's see -- widest he lists is a 36" so 36" - 3 stiles @7" -- 21"
Divide by 2 and voila! -- 10.5" panels. So he needs 12" stock at most.
....

Correcting the arithmetic boo-boo of using the total stiles width
instead of the remaining gives...

widest he lists is a 36" so 36" - 3 stiles @7" -- 36" - 21" -- 15"

15"/2 -- 7.5"

So even on the widest doors his panels are only 8"-10" if the stiles are
a little narrower. Again, he only needs 8-10" stock to start from.

--

On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:42:07 -0700 (PDT), Ron wrote:


No, I'm not convinced. There's a company that makes doors without
having to glue them:

http://www.timswoodshop.com/doors.htm

And if I could get the wood in a single board-- which is what I want--
I would pay as much as I needed to. I would rather not have to either
glue boards or have a door made out of glued boards; hence the name,
"solid wood."


Ron, how much woodworking experience do you have? Building a
full-size entry door is not a small project. Do you have a jointer
that can handle 80 inch stock? Can you make large, tight mortise and
tenon joints?

It's very unlikely you will find 32 inch wide boards. Trees that big
were cut down generations ago. There's very good reason not to use
big panels, as well. The wider the single panel, the more likely it
is to warp and/or cup with changes in humidity. To make wide panels
you take narrow stock and edge glue it with alternating concavity of
grain. The result is a panel that is much more stable. No woodworker
would argue that a traditional rail/stile/panel door is not 'solid
wood" if the panels are glue-ups.

dpb wrote:
....
So even on the widest doors his panels are only 8"-10" if the stiles are
a little narrower. Again, he only needs 8-10" stock to start from.

And one last point--the central panel on these, although the image isn't
close enough in view to make it show up clearly, will have the grain
oriented horizontally so it, too, is a narrow panel spanning the door
width horizontally.

--

On Jun 17, 8:41*am, (Bill) wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:42:07 -0700 (PDT), Ron wrote:
No, I'm not convinced. There's a company that makes doors without
having to glue them:

http://www.timswoodshop.com/doors.htm

And if I could get the wood in a single board-- which is what I want--
I would pay as much as I needed to. I would rather not have to either
glue boards or have a door made out of glued boards; hence the name,
"solid wood."

Ron, how much woodworking experience do you have? *Building a
full-size entry door is not a small project. *Do you have a jointer
that can handle 80 inch stock? *Can you make large, tight mortise and
tenon joints?

It's very unlikely you will find 32 inch wide boards. *Trees that big
were cut down generations ago. *There's very good reason not to use
big panels, as well. *The wider the single panel, the more likely it
is to warp and/or cup with changes in humidity. *To make wide panels
you take narrow stock and edge glue it with alternating concavity of
grain. *The result is a panel that is much more stable. *No woodworker
would argue that a traditional rail/stile/panel door is not 'solid
wood" *if the panels are glue-ups. *

The guy who wrote the original article addressed all of that. If he
hadn't gone belly up for whatever reason or wasn't the sole supplier,
I probably would have a very impressive door. But since I can't find
what the project needs, all of that is rather moot. Pity... ;-(

Ron

Ron wrote:
....

The guy who wrote the original article addressed all of that.

Which guy and what article would that be, pray tell? I'd surely like to
see what he actually recommends...

...If he
hadn't gone belly up for whatever reason or wasn't the sole supplier,

If he was proposing what you're asking for, no wonder...

I probably would have a very impressive door. But since I can't find
what the project needs, all of that is rather moot. Pity... ;-(

Actually, I seriously doubt it. However impressive it might be
initially, it's inevitable for the application it wouldn't survive long
if constructed in such a manner.

--

On Jun 17, 10:05 pm, dpb wrote:
Ron wrote:

The guy who wrote the original article addressed all of that.

Which guy and what article would that be, pray tell? I'd surely like to
see what he actually recommends...

...If he
hadn't gone belly up for whatever reason or wasn't the sole supplier,

If he was proposing what you're asking for, no wonder...

I probably would have a very impressive door. But since I can't find
what the project needs, all of that is rather moot. Pity... ;-(

Actually, I seriously doubt it. However impressive it might be
initially, it's inevitable for the application it wouldn't survive long
if constructed in such a manner.

Like dpb said. I've worked with wood all of my life, and no matter
how much I would like to 'reason' the wood into doing what I want it
to do, it does its own thing.

Please post the author's name and the magazine and issue the article
appeared in. I'm always willing to learn, just as I'm always ready to
point out bad practices. Thanks.

R

On Mon 16 Jun 2008 04:18:31a, Ron told us...

I want to make some custom solid wood doors and I hear that a wood
called jarrah has nice qualities though I would probably use
traditional woods like oak, ash, poplar, etc if they were more readily
available. Buying wood for the rails and stiles is easy enough, but
does anyone know of someplace where I can buy 80" x 32" x 2" wood
boards that I can use to make my doors with?

Ron


Uh, doors usually have a knob on each side and open either into or out of a
room. :-) Couldn't resist, because I don't have a clue what you need.

--
Wayne Boatwright
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Tuesday, 06(VI)/17(XVII)/08(MMVIII)
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Give me levity or give me death.
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On Jun 17, 8:44*pm, RicodJour wrote:
On Jun 17, 10:05 pm, dpb wrote:





Ron wrote:

The guy who wrote the original article addressed all of that.

Which guy and what article would that be, pray tell? *I'd surely like to
see what he actually recommends...

...If he
hadn't gone belly up for whatever reason or wasn't the sole supplier,

If he was proposing what you're asking for, no wonder...

I probably would have a very impressive door. But since I can't find
what the project needs, all of that is rather moot. Pity... * ;-(

Actually, I seriously doubt it. *However impressive it might be
initially, it's inevitable for the application it wouldn't survive long
if constructed in such a manner.

Like dpb said. *I've worked with wood all of my life, and no matter
how much I would like to 'reason' the wood into doing what I want it
to do, it does its own thing.

Please post the author's name and the magazine and issue the article
appeared in. *I'm always willing to learn, just as I'm always ready to
point out bad practices. *Thanks.

R- Hide quoted text -

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It took me a little while to find it:

http://www.diynetwork.com/diy/cda/ar...-PRINT,00.html


Frame- And-Panel Door: Stock and Joinery
From "Wood Works"
episode WWK-502 -- More Projects »
by David Marks.


That's the printer friendly version; I don't know where the link to
the original article has gone to, but this is easier to read without
all of the adverts.

Ron

On Jun 18, 4:45 am, Ron wrote:
On Jun 17, 8:44 pm, RicodJour wrote:

Please post the author's name and the magazine and issue the article
appeared in. I'm always willing to learn, just as I'm always ready to
point out bad practices. Thanks.

It took me a little while to find it:

http://www.diynetwork.com/diy/cda/ar...DIY_14444_2278...

Frame- And-Panel Door: Stock and Joinery
From "Wood Works"
episode WWK-502 -- More Projects »
by David Marks.

David Marks...? Hmmm. David Marks is an excellent woodworker. I
can't believe he's advising anyone to built a single slab door. Okay,
thanks for posting it. Let me peruse the article.

That's the printer friendly version; I don't know where the link to
the original article has gone to, but this is easier to read without
all of the adverts.

Your reading comprehension is seriously flawed. David Marks built a
standard paneled door from a nice wood. You ignored straightforward
descriptions and took away a totally erroneous impression of that
article.

A couple of excerpts from that article:
"We cut our panel stock from a single long board to keep the flowing
grain-patterns intact."

Notice he said one long _board_ was cut for the _panels_. There was
no mention of a huge ass slab at all!

"Once the panel stock has been cut, it should be stacked on wood
stickers -- thin strips of scrap wood -- to allow the wood to
acclimate to the environment and humidity of the shop. Ideally, the
wood should be allowed to acclimate for about 2 weeks to stabilize the
wood. Allowing for wood-movement is an important issue when making
doors. A solid-wood door of this size may "move" as much as 1/4-inch
over the width-span of the door as seasons and humidity change. This
can cause door-sticking or warping and cracking of the finished door.
The frame-and-panel construction of this door allows the structure to
be built to accommodate the movement of the wood."

He's saying exactly the same thing I was saying about wood movement.
That is not surprising as wood does not change it's fookin physical
properties depending on who is working it! How can you read that and
not understand such a perfectly clear description?!

I am not trying to beat up on you, but start with some projects that
are within you skill range - this isn't one of them.

R

Ron wrote:
....
It took me a little while to find it:
....
Frame- And-Panel Door: Stock and Joinery
From "Wood Works" episode WWK-502 -- More Projects by David Marks.
....

And that's _also_ a conventional frame and panel door, also w/ a center
stile (he uses "muntin" which I've always reserved for the thin vertical
which separates lights in a window but that's ok, they're the same
purpose--make it so there is sufficient structure and a way to allow for
the inevitable movement that will occur) so the panels aren't wide at
all, again.

In fact, "The stock pieces for the upper and lower panels (figure C)
were cut to the same width -- 9-1/2 inches." Note, in fact, he resaws
the material from full thickness to get a bookmatched pair for each
upper and lower set of panels. The article doesn't say it quite right,
probably, in that it says he resawed them for 3/4 panels _after_ taking
the 8/4 material to 6/4 which would leave him thin--undoubtedly he
actually resawed them before full thicknessing but after initial planing
so could see to select grain clearly.

Where in the world you got the idea of a full-width slab for a door is
beyond ken...

I'm still curious (altho far less so now the concept has been debunked)
of who this was that supposedly "went under" and what they were actually
doing...

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On Jun 16, 1:37 pm, wrote:
Ron wrote:
I want to make some custom solid wood doors and I hear that a wood
called jarrah has nice qualities though I would probably use
traditional woods like oak, ash, poplar, etc if they were more readily
available. Buying wood for the rails and stiles is easy enough, but
does anyone know of someplace where I can buy 80" x 32" x 2" wood
boards that I can use to make my doors with?

For all you retards that didn't read Ron's original post, he wants to
make SOLID WOOD doors.

He says he can get wood for stiles and rails, BUT he wants to buy
solid planks. He does NOT want to build a raised panel door.

Hmmm. I guess the retard is you after all, eh?

R