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I'm surprised the mere idea of well sharing is so foreign to everyone. It's not foreign. However, entering into one of these without a firm legal basis for it is not only foreign, but very unwise. At least you seem to have a reasonable relationship with him. Sharing electrical costs on a guess of, say, $10-20/month is perfectly reasonable if you're both happy with it. Measuring it may be more trouble than it's worth. You could put it in a repair fund. The real issue is repairs. You need to discuss with him circumstances, cost sharing, and what constitutes "shared equipment". That will be well, well supply lines, pump, control systems, and almost certainly pressure tank (unless you have checkvalves between it and where his feed taps off). If you have a water softener that feeds him, it's shared too. Do you have filters? Do they feed him? Etc. How things get done if your neighbor can't get access to the equipment while you're away is also an issue. Do you trust them enough to give 'em a key? As for the initial installation cost, it's probably too late, but, perhaps no harm in asking if your relationship is that good. Now, once you get that all thrashed out, write it down in simple and plain language (should be less than a page), and each should keep a signed copy. That will keep things sane in the future. Note: because of various incidents over the past years, people are getting considerably more leary of small-scale water sharing. You don't want to face major lawsuits over a contamination problem you didn't catch. You'll probably need to advise your insurance company. -- Chris Lewis, Age and Treachery will Triumph over Youth and Skill It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them. |
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Could claim you were checking forleaks- after allit's YOUR well On Feb 27, 11:59Â*am, " wrote: It sure is a dumb idea. � Not only would someone dumb enough to contaminate the water be in for a slam dunk civil case, they could be facing criminal charges as well. �Especially today, deliberately contaminating someones shared water is likely going to lead to serious trouble. food coloring would be entirely safe but may scare the other user into getting their own well........... it wasnt really a serious suggestion |
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replying to hallerb, Heaven bound. wrote:
Seems the main question everyone is answering is about the actual pump and lines supplied by the seller. Are you to assume cost of a new pump since the seller of the land paid for the well? If not then basic electricity is all I would charge. As far as the pressure tank you installed does it backfeed into their supply line? If so then they will rep the benefits of it as well. My wife's parents are on our well also and I hear my pump kick on a lot when we are not using water. But they are family so I'm glad to help their situation. Should have bought one big bladder tank and put it at the well for both houses. Hope this helps. -- for full context, visit http://www.homeownershub.com/mainten...ge-290676-.htm |
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replying to Harry K, Step2001 wrote:
Lmao zim in that situation now. -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...ge-290676-.htm |
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replying to trader4, RayRay wrote:
well, just break down the costs. you gotta know gallons / kwh of running the pump. that will give you an idea of total water usage from all water usage. then split that cost. even though you are using less water. or charge them 2/3 or 3/4 of electric cost to run the pump. as for wear take the total life expectancy of a well pump, plus FUTURE estimated replacement cost and divide it to get a yearly, then monthly "wear & tear" figure. that would be fair to me . my situation is a girlfriend with nephew, his gf and her daughter w/o water for over a year now coming over to use my shower , get water to flush their toilet and do laundry. I've had enpugh of it and want to calculate their water usage (even estimated) so I can inform them the size of the favor I pay for the additional usage they cause. -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...ge-290676-.htm |
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If you are not going to divide the total cost equally, use water
meters. Real meters are not cheap unless you can get a deal on used ones from the utility. I think the easiest way is just to run a tab and have all of the users chip in equally. If you need to meter the electricity, used electric meters are really cheap since utilities are moving to smart meters. |
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"RayRay" m wrote in message ... replying to trader4, RayRay wrote: well, just break down the costs. you gotta know gallons / kwh of running the pump. that will give you an idea of total water usage from all water usage. then split that cost. even though you are using less water. or charge them 2/3 or 3/4 of electric cost to run the pump. as for wear take the total life expectancy of a well pump, plus FUTURE estimated replacement cost and divide it to get a yearly, then monthly "wear & tear" figure. that would be fair to me . my situation is a girlfriend with nephew, his gf and her daughter w/o water for over a year now coming over to use my shower , get water to flush their toilet and do laundry. I've had enpugh of it and want to calculate their water usage (even estimated) so I can inform them the size of the favor I pay for the additional usage they cause. -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...ge-290676-.htm The original post is 9 years old. Exactly what do you do to find 9 year old posts and why do you waste time replying to them? |
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On 7/27/2017 8:44 PM, RayRay wrote:
tear" figure. that would be fair to me . my situation is a girlfriend with nephew, his gf and her daughter w/o water for over a year now coming over to use my shower , get water to flush their toilet and do laundry. I've had enpugh of it and want to calculate their water usage (even estimated) so I can inform them the size of the favor I pay for the additional usage they cause. I pay $60/month for water and sewer for 2 of us. Depending on frequency of visit, $30 would seem reasonable. |
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On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 22:28:43 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 7/27/2017 8:44 PM, RayRay wrote: tear" figure. that would be fair to me . my situation is a girlfriend with nephew, his gf and her daughter w/o water for over a year now coming over to use my shower , get water to flush their toilet and do laundry. I've had enpugh of it and want to calculate their water usage (even estimated) so I can inform them the size of the favor I pay for the additional usage they cause. I pay $60/month for water and sewer for 2 of us. Depending on frequency of visit, $30 would seem reasonable. That is fairly cheap or you do not use much water. Around here $60 would get you about 3700 gallons of water/sewer with the fixed fees according to the chart. I am not sure if there are additional taxes on that tho. |
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Tell the lazy free-loading democrats to get a job and pay to have their well fixed. Don't molly-coddle democrats, it just makes them even lazier. |
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tear" figure. that would be fair to me . my situation is a girlfriend with nephew, his gf and her daughter w/o water for over a year now coming over to use my shower , get water to flush their toilet and do laundry. I've had enpugh of it and want to calculate their water usage (even estimated) so I can inform them the size of the favor I pay for the additional usage they cause. I pay $60/month for water and sewer for 2 of us. Depending on frequency of visit, $30 would seem reasonable. That is fairly cheap or you do not use much water. Around here $60 would get you about 3700 gallons of water/sewer with the fixed fees according to the chart. I am not sure if there are additional taxes on that tho. I have one neighbour off my well - he pays me $ 250. per year and any maintenance / repair of the shared plant is split 50-50. The line from my property to his is his problem alone. It is a written agreement that is legally "attached" to our deed. The cost hasn't changed since the 2 homes were built in 1991. My lawyer says that I can cancel the agreement but would need to give him significant time to make other arrangements - like a year .. My other neighbour was being a nice guy and only charged his neighbour $ 35. per year - and he has regretted it ever since - the guy has been a jerk .. John T. |
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On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 4:33:52 AM UTC-4, ralph wrote:
Tell the lazy free-loading democrats to get a job and pay to have their well fixed. Don't molly-coddle democrats, it just makes them even lazier. Figure out what the cost is and charge full price. |
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On 07/28/2017 10:34 AM, Thomas wrote:
On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 4:33:52 AM UTC-4, ralph wrote: Tell the lazy free-loading democrats to get a job and pay to have their well fixed. Don't molly-coddle democrats, it just makes them even lazier. Figure out what the cost is and charge full price. Years ago I might have done that, today not so much. Lazy democrats are always looking fo free money. If they have their water tested and find something wrong with it, they'll get one of those sleazy late-night tv lawyers and sue yo ass. Even if you win, it will cost you thousands to defend yourself. There's nothing to gain and everything to lose. Send them packing ASAP. |
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replying to JohnnieMarr, debi randel wrote:
I also have the same question..howerever I think you are wanting to be paid for the existing well and all the happy crap that goes. With it...usage fine fees like the phone conversation...all that stuff was already paid for when it was installed by whoever....done deal..your sharing the daily cost of it operating now....put a clause in saying you will split cost if it breaks -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...ge-290676-.htm |
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replying to JohnnieMarr, steve a. wrote:
you answered your on question..you said "we agreed" We agreed that we would pay for the electricity along with the rest of our electricity,..why cry now?if your neighbor had of made the same agreement i sure if he was trying to go back on his word you would have a problem -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...ge-290676-.htm |
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On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 18:44:02 GMT, steve a.
m wrote: replying to JohnnieMarr, steve a. wrote: you answered your on question..you said "we agreed" We agreed that we would pay for the electricity along with the rest of our electricity,..why cry now?if your neighbor had of made the same agreement i sure if he was trying to go back on his word you would have a problem The well dried up a long time ago. |
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replying to Andy, Leslie wrote:
Well said -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...ge-290676-.htm |
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replying to RBM, T Long wrote:
Cost of electric used by pump .28 a hour to take a hour long cold shower cost $ 0.28 according to co Mo electric co op people have been paying way to much.... -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...ge-290676-.htm |
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replying to ralph, VOTE out dumocrats wrote:
I agree with you 100%! MAGA. -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...ge-290676-.htm |
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Did you ever find out what to do ? I am having the same issue . We rent and the water pump is in our yard. But the landlord said that will paying for the neighbors down below us also.
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On Friday, February 19, 2021 at 9:15:07 AM UTC-5, jessica69872006 wrote:
Did you ever find out what to do ? I am having the same issue . We rent and the water pump is in our yard. But the landlord said that will paying for the neighbors down below us also. -- For full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...ge-290676-.htm From the limited info, it sounds like the water pump for a duplex is on your meter. Not unusual. Presumably the landlord told you this before you signed a lease or moved in. The landlord should have it in the lease. If you knew about it before, what's the issue? I hope the landlord didn't tell you to go collect money from the other tenant. The electric used for the pump isn't much, I'd think it's no more than $5 a month or so, unless it's used for lawn watering or similar. |
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On 2/19/2021 9:15 AM, jessica69872006 wrote:
Did you ever find out what to do ? I am having the same issue . We rent and the water pump is in our yard. But the landlord said that will paying for the neighbors down below us also. Interesting to me as a well owner. Google tells me it could be costing about $2 a day for electricity. Landlord should adjust your rent to account for this. Maybe he already has. At least as a renter you are not responsible for well. I needed a new one two years ago and it cost me $7,000. I have enough water to supply our small development but thankfully do not have to. |
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On Friday, February 19, 2021 at 9:35:05 AM UTC-5, Frank wrote:
On 2/19/2021 9:15 AM, jessica69872006 wrote: Did you ever find out what to do ? I am having the same issue . We rent and the water pump is in our yard. But the landlord said that will paying for the neighbors down below us also. Interesting to me as a well owner. Google tells me it could be costing about $2 a day for electricity. Sure, if you're watering an acre of lawn. A 1hp pump is about 750 watts. at 0.13 per kwh, that, 0.10 per hour. To get to $2, the pump would have to be running about 20 hours a day. If it runs an hour or two a day, it's ten or twenty cents. Landlord should adjust your rent to account for this. Maybe he already has. The issue is if he told them before they rented. And even if he didn't when it's a few bucks a month in a rent that's probably 200 times that, I wouldn't go looking for trouble over it. |
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On 2/19/2021 9:15 AM, jessica69872006 wrote:
Did you ever find out what to do ? I am having the same issue . We rent and the water pump is in our yard. But the landlord said that will paying for the neighbors down below us also. The only satisfactory answer is to never share a well. Either spit cost equally or put meters and split proportionally. |
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On Friday, February 19, 2021 at 9:54:30 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/19/2021 9:15 AM, jessica69872006 wrote: Did you ever find out what to do ? I am having the same issue . We rent and the water pump is in our yard. But the landlord said that will paying for the neighbors down below us also. The only satisfactory answer is to never share a well. Either spit cost equally or put meters and split proportionally. Not really practical. There are many duplexes and similar, houses with two different tenants. Two meters would require two pumps and two separate water systems. Many, probably most of these were never built with that in mind. Even two pumps isn't possible, if it's a submersible, which is the most common type today. As I see it, it's a $2 a month issue. But if this renter plans on going to the other tenant to ask them to pay, I can see $2000 problems before it's over. |
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On 2/19/2021 10:03 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Friday, February 19, 2021 at 9:54:30 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 2/19/2021 9:15 AM, jessica69872006 wrote: Did you ever find out what to do ? I am having the same issue . We rent and the water pump is in our yard. But the landlord said that will paying for the neighbors down below us also. The only satisfactory answer is to never share a well. Either spit cost equally or put meters and split proportionally. Not really practical. There are many duplexes and similar, houses with two different tenants. Two meters would require two pumps and two separate water systems. Many, probably most of these were never built with that in mind. Even two pumps isn't possible, if it's a submersible, which is the most common type today. As I see it, it's a $2 a month issue. But if this renter plans on going to the other tenant to ask them to pay, I can see $2000 problems before it's over. Can be done with one pump and pressure tank. In an older house it may be harder to split the systems but from scratch it is just a tee fitting and meters. In reality, the cost of the meters is probably 10 years of pump electricity. |
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On Friday, February 19, 2021 at 11:01:21 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/19/2021 10:03 AM, trader_4 wrote: On Friday, February 19, 2021 at 9:54:30 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 2/19/2021 9:15 AM, jessica69872006 wrote: Did you ever find out what to do ? I am having the same issue . We rent and the water pump is in our yard. But the landlord said that will paying for the neighbors down below us also. The only satisfactory answer is to never share a well. Either spit cost equally or put meters and split proportionally. Not really practical. There are many duplexes and similar, houses with two different tenants. Two meters would require two pumps and two separate water systems. Many, probably most of these were never built with that in mind. Even two pumps isn't possible, if it's a submersible, which is the most common type today. As I see it, it's a $2 a month issue. But if this renter plans on going to the other tenant to ask them to pay, I can see $2000 problems before it's over. Can be done with one pump and pressure tank. In an older house it may be harder to split the systems but from scratch it is just a tee fitting and meters. In reality, the cost of the meters is probably 10 years of pump electricity. I would take bets that the cost of meters and all the other BS to solve a problem that does not exist is going to be a lot more than 10 years of pump electric usage. By my calculations, it's a couple bucks a month. So, to even it out, so that the other party is paying their $2 a month accurately, it would seem to me that it's going to cost a lot more than $240 bucks, ie ten years amount. And where does it end? I'm sure there are plenty of duplexes where the landlord told one on the tenants that they were responsible to mow the lawn. So now, what? Calculate that value to the dollar? If you were a landlord that had a duplex where the pump was on one tenant, what would you do? Tell the one tenant that's the way it is, you're paying it, or go re-plumb the place, put in more electric meters, etc? |
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On 2/19/2021 1:17 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Friday, February 19, 2021 at 11:01:21 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 2/19/2021 10:03 AM, trader_4 wrote: On Friday, February 19, 2021 at 9:54:30 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 2/19/2021 9:15 AM, jessica69872006 wrote: Did you ever find out what to do ? I am having the same issue . We rent and the water pump is in our yard. But the landlord said that will paying for the neighbors down below us also. The only satisfactory answer is to never share a well. Either spit cost equally or put meters and split proportionally. Not really practical. There are many duplexes and similar, houses with two different tenants. Two meters would require two pumps and two separate water systems. Many, probably most of these were never built with that in mind. Even two pumps isn't possible, if it's a submersible, which is the most common type today. As I see it, it's a $2 a month issue. But if this renter plans on going to the other tenant to ask them to pay, I can see $2000 problems before it's over. Can be done with one pump and pressure tank. In an older house it may be harder to split the systems but from scratch it is just a tee fitting and meters. In reality, the cost of the meters is probably 10 years of pump electricity. I would take bets that the cost of meters and all the other BS to solve a problem that does not exist is going to be a lot more than 10 years of pump electric usage. By my calculations, it's a couple bucks a month. So, to even it out, so that the other party is paying their $2 a month accurately, it would seem to me that it's going to cost a lot more than $240 bucks, ie ten years amount. And where does it end? I'm sure there are plenty of duplexes where the landlord told one on the tenants that they were responsible to mow the lawn. So now, what? Calculate that value to the dollar? If you were a landlord that had a duplex where the pump was on one tenant, what would you do? Tell the one tenant that's the way it is, you're paying it, or go re-plumb the place, put in more electric meters, etc? Simple solution is the landlord pays the water bill. If it is $20 a month you factor $15 into each apartment. |
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On Friday, February 19, 2021 at 1:56:04 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/19/2021 1:17 PM, trader_4 wrote: On Friday, February 19, 2021 at 11:01:21 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 2/19/2021 10:03 AM, trader_4 wrote: On Friday, February 19, 2021 at 9:54:30 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 2/19/2021 9:15 AM, jessica69872006 wrote: Did you ever find out what to do ? I am having the same issue . We rent and the water pump is in our yard. But the landlord said that will paying for the neighbors down below us also. The only satisfactory answer is to never share a well. Either spit cost equally or put meters and split proportionally. Not really practical. There are many duplexes and similar, houses with two different tenants. Two meters would require two pumps and two separate water systems. Many, probably most of these were never built with that in mind. Even two pumps isn't possible, if it's a submersible, which is the most common type today. As I see it, it's a $2 a month issue. But if this renter plans on going to the other tenant to ask them to pay, I can see $2000 problems before it's over. Can be done with one pump and pressure tank. In an older house it may be harder to split the systems but from scratch it is just a tee fitting and meters. In reality, the cost of the meters is probably 10 years of pump electricity. I would take bets that the cost of meters and all the other BS to solve a problem that does not exist is going to be a lot more than 10 years of pump electric usage. By my calculations, it's a couple bucks a month. So, to even it out, so that the other party is paying their $2 a month accurately, it would seem to me that it's going to cost a lot more than $240 bucks, ie ten years amount. And where does it end? I'm sure there are plenty of duplexes where the landlord told one on the tenants that they were responsible to mow the lawn. So now, what? Calculate that value to the dollar? If you were a landlord that had a duplex where the pump was on one tenant, what would you do? Tell the one tenant that's the way it is, you're paying it, or go re-plumb the place, put in more electric meters, etc? Simple solution is the landlord pays the water bill. If it is $20 a month you factor $15 into each apartment. It isn't a water bill that the landlord receives. It's a water pump that is wired in to one tenant's electric meter and not separate from all their other usage. The simple solution is to explain that to the tenant, that they will be paying about $2 a month for the power attributable to the water for the other tenant, that the rent is $1000 a month and that's factored in. The alternate solution is to install water meters on both sides and an electric meter for the water pump, then periodically read them, calculate how much each tenant should pay and for the landlord to bill one $2 and send a check for $2 to the other tenant, or quarterly $6. That doesn't sound simple to me. And what do you think the new plumbing and electrical will cost? If I did that, the rent would be $1025. Is everyone better off? |
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So we have an agreement with our neibors 7 dollars a month for there part of the electric on the pump and any repairs we split in half. Also if the electric goes out since we have the pump they have a generator that will run it! So its even work! This was in place way before we bought the house.
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