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It's time I purchased a nice set of screwdrivers for the ol' workbench.
I frequently see large collections of 'em at Costco, but I'm wondering whether I should go someplace like Sears or Home Depot and pick up a quality set of a well-known brand? Is a screwdriver a screwdriver, or are there superior products to be had? -Fleemo |
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Snap-On is the only way to go for phillips screwdrivers. Everything
else is a chisel or paint stirrer. Otherwise I'm a big fan of Craftsman tools. -rev wrote: It's time I purchased a nice set of screwdrivers for the ol' workbench. I frequently see large collections of 'em at Costco, but I'm wondering whether I should go someplace like Sears or Home Depot and pick up a quality set of a well-known brand? Is a screwdriver a screwdriver, or are there superior products to be had? -Fleemo |
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.....and the Snap-On ratcheting screwdriver is fantastic.
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item....re&dir=catalog "The Reverend Natural Light" wrote in message ups.com... Snap-On is the only way to go for phillips screwdrivers. Everything else is a chisel or paint stirrer. Otherwise I'm a big fan of Craftsman tools. -rev wrote: It's time I purchased a nice set of screwdrivers for the ol' workbench. I frequently see large collections of 'em at Costco, but I'm wondering whether I should go someplace like Sears or Home Depot and pick up a quality set of a well-known brand? Is a screwdriver a screwdriver, or are there superior products to be had? -Fleemo |
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oups.com... wrote: It's time I purchased a nice set of screwdrivers for the ol' workbench. I frequently see large collections of 'em at Costco, but I'm wondering whether I should go someplace like Sears or Home Depot and pick up a quality set of a well-known brand? Is a screwdriver a screwdriver, or are there superior products to be had? -Fleemo A bit of advice! Never buy a cheap inferior tool of any kind, unless you are only going to use it once. Jack Exception: If you have a tool abuser in the house, leave the cheap ones where they're easy to find. Keep the good stuff in a locked tool box. |
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Jack" wrote in message oups.com... wrote: It's time I purchased a nice set of screwdrivers for the ol' workbench. I frequently see large collections of 'em at Costco, but I'm wondering whether I should go someplace like Sears or Home Depot and pick up a quality set of a well-known brand? Is a screwdriver a screwdriver, or are there superior products to be had? -Fleemo A bit of advice! Never buy a cheap inferior tool of any kind, unless you are only going to use it once. Jack Exception: If you have a tool abuser in the house, leave the cheap ones where they're easy to find. Keep the good stuff in a locked tool box. Get a quality, well known brand. A cheap screwdriver is just as bad as any other cheap tool. I like my Klein screwdrivers FWIW although Craftsman, Snap-On (if you like spending lots of money for a slightly better product) etc. are good. nate -- replace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel |
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wrote in message Is a screwdriver a screwdriver, or are there superior products to be had? Most brands of tools have a few grades. Craftsman, Stanley, probably many others, make a higher end as well as some crappy ones. Most of us need 4 screwdrivers for 90% of what you do. A #1 and #2 Phillips, a 1/8 and 1/4" flat blade. Torx is becoming popular, especially with automotive. T-12 and T-15 seem to be the most used. The other 10% are the very small sizes. The #0 Phillips is often used for electronics and such. Two things to look at. First, the handle. Better drives have a nice hefty handle with a contour that is easily gripped. Cheap ones are smaller diameter, hard to grip, and can actually hurt your hand it you do a lot of turning with a lot of pressure. Next is the tip. I know a few brands will heat treat the tip and they are precise in the size and grind. Cheap ones are not, will bend, break, ruin screws. Good tools make a job go faster, easier, less prone to damage. Cheap tools can cause nightmares when they strip out screws. Once you get the screwdrivers, look at a couple of wrenches, sockets, etc. Quality just feels good in the hand. |
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"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message news:Tm47h.3870$ZN1.2544@trndny03... wrote in message Is a screwdriver a screwdriver, or are there superior products to be had? Most brands of tools have a few grades. Craftsman, Stanley, probably many others, make a higher end as well as some crappy ones. Most of us need 4 screwdrivers for 90% of what you do. A #1 and #2 Phillips, a 1/8 and 1/4" flat blade. Torx is becoming popular, especially with automotive. T-12 and T-15 seem to be the most used. Don't forget a #1 and #2, red and green handles are the most common in Robertson or square drive used in furniture and electrical work. Sometimes you need smaller, yellow and the smallest, orange handle. Black handle is the largest. The other 10% are the very small sizes. The #0 Phillips is often used for electronics and such. Two things to look at. First, the handle. Better drives have a nice hefty handle with a contour that is easily gripped. Cheap ones are smaller diameter, hard to grip, and can actually hurt your hand it you do a lot of turning with a lot of pressure. Next is the tip. I know a few brands will heat treat the tip and they are precise in the size and grind. Cheap ones are not, will bend, break, ruin screws. Good tools make a job go faster, easier, less prone to damage. Cheap tools can cause nightmares when they strip out screws. Once you get the screwdrivers, look at a couple of wrenches, sockets, etc. Quality just feels good in the hand. |
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i have always enjoyed sears craftsman. a screwdriver is not a
screwdriver especially when it is used as a mini-crowbar by your helpers. for the beginners, buy a variety of tools at walmart. for the children and for spares an assorted set of home tools in the $25 price range is a good starting point. or the same money buys you a sears craftsman screwdriver set such as at www.sears.com search for: Craftsman 24 Pc. Screwdriver Set Sears item #00947155000 Mfr. model #47155 wrote: It's time I purchased a nice set of screwdrivers for the ol' workbench. I frequently see large collections of 'em at Costco, but I'm wondering whether I should go someplace like Sears or Home Depot and pick up a quality set of a well-known brand? Is a screwdriver a screwdriver, or are there superior products to be had? -Fleemo |
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On 16 Nov 2006 11:25:57 -0800, wrote:
It's time I purchased a nice set of screwdrivers for the ol' workbench. I frequently see large collections of 'em at Costco, but I'm wondering whether I should go someplace like Sears or Home Depot and pick up a quality set of a well-known brand? Is a screwdriver a screwdriver, or are there superior products to be had? -Fleemo You're getting good advice here, but I'd like to add another consideration; comfort. Whatever you buy, make sure they feel comfortable in your hand. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Retired Shop Rat: 14,647 days in a GM plant. Now I can do what I enjoy: Large Format Photography Web Site: www.destarr.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - |
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Joseph Meehan wrote: Snap-on would be my choice today. The Lowes Kobalt tools are made by Snap-on. Are they the same quality as the regular Snap-on, or a made-to-spec inferior imitation? Any actual experience other than general store opinion? Bob |
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Wow! That was quite a response.
Thank you all for taking the time to chime in. I truly appreciate it. -Fleemo |
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Joseph Meehan wrote: Snap-on would be my choice today. The Lowes Kobalt tools are made by Snap-on. Are they the same quality as the regular Snap-on, or a made-to-spec inferior imitation? Any actual experience other than general store opinion? Bob The Kobalt tools are gaureented for life and I have several of the phillips head screw drivers that are quite good screw drivers IMHO. Rich |
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On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:22:55 -0500, Terry
wrote: On 16 Nov 2006 11:25:57 -0800, wrote: It's time I purchased a nice set of screwdrivers for the ol' workbench. I frequently see large collections of 'em at Costco, but I'm wondering whether I should go someplace like Sears or Home Depot and pick up a quality set of a well-known brand? Is a screwdriver a screwdriver, or are there superior products to be had? -Fleemo I just bought a Stanley multi bit screwdriver at Home Depot. The screwdriver has bits in the handle. It also has a magnetic tip which I used to dislike all this "bit" stuff. I wanted a whole driver attached to, one piece with, the bit. But lately, the solution to my big bugaboo, phillips head screws, seems to be high quality bits, which seem harder than almost any screwdriver (well, Stanley and one other famous brand I can't think of.) Actually I have been using a 1 or 2 inch thing that is phillips on one end and flat on the other, for use in a drill, and for a handle I've been using a big ratchet ball that they used to sell at JCW for a dollar. It's 2 or 3 inches in diameter and the extra diameter makes for great leverage. It came with bits too but I don't know where they are and I'm sure they are cheap. If I ruin a flat blade screwdriver it just makes me proud of my strengtth, and I can regrind it, and then not use it for such hard jobs. I used to blame myself when I ruined a phillips, that I didn't hold it in well enough, but I know now it's not me. When I do (because I still have cheap ones, or find cheap ones, all I can do is grind it into a scratch awl or a hole maker, and I have too many of them by now. So just by a small and a larger good quality Phillips and you can imo use whatever you want for the other stuff. is a must for me. For heavy jobs this would not be the best selection, but for every day jobs it is perfect. This would be more of a kitchen drawer tool than a shop tool but I consider it a very useful tool. The bits also fit the magnetic extension I have for my battery drill. Here is the same one at Amazon http://www.amazon.com/Stanley-68-010.../dp/B00009OYGW Kline, Craftsman and Snap-on are the "real" tools. |
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Joseph Meehan wrote: Snap-on would be my choice today. The Lowes Kobalt tools are made by Snap-on. Are they the same quality as the regular Snap-on, or a made-to-spec inferior imitation? Any actual experience other than general store opinion? Bob They look good, but I can't really verify their quality. -- Joseph Meehan Dia 's Muire duit |
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About 15 years ago I took a Phillips Craftsman back to Sears and got
into a shouting match with the clerk as he didn't think the chewed up tip was bad enough to warrant exchange. On 16 Nov 2006 12:06:12 -0800, "The Reverend Natural Light" wrote: Snap-On is the only way to go for phillips screwdrivers. Everything else is a chisel or paint stirrer. Otherwise I'm a big fan of Craftsman tools. -rev wrote: It's time I purchased a nice set of screwdrivers for the ol' workbench. I frequently see large collections of 'em at Costco, but I'm wondering whether I should go someplace like Sears or Home Depot and pick up a quality set of a well-known brand? Is a screwdriver a screwdriver, or are there superior products to be had? -Fleemo |
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I was in a Sears in Cleveland Tenn. about 30 years ago. I had a 25 ft
tape with the tape broken. The clerk said that the tape was not covered under the warranty. I took the tape outside and threw it at the ground hard enough to break the case. I took it back inside and handed it to the same clerk. He swapped it for a new one without saying a thing about what happened. I quit buying Craftsman when they came out with a Sears brand. They would replace tin snips with the Sear's brand which did not have a life time warranty. On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 08:25:58 -0500, wrote: About 15 years ago I took a Phillips Craftsman back to Sears and got into a shouting match with the clerk as he didn't think the chewed up tip was bad enough to warrant exchange. |
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wrote: It's time I purchased a nice set of screwdrivers for the ol' workbench. I frequently see large collections of 'em at Costco, but I'm wondering whether I should go someplace like Sears or Home Depot and pick up a quality set of a well-known brand? Is a screwdriver a screwdriver, or are there superior products to be had? -Fleemo The best screwdrivers I have ever used are the Wiha Dynamics. http://www.wihatools.com/511serie.htm They're not cheap, but I have yet to wear out a tip in ten years. Some of them are getting a little scratched up, but the mating surfaces are still great. They have since come up with other styles such as anti-cam-out. I also have some System 6 tools and precision micro drivers from them. All top-quality stuff. System 6 even has torque-limiting handles available. -Keith |
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Terry posted for all of us...
I quit buying Craftsman when they came out with a Sears brand. They would replace tin snips with the Sear's brand which did not have a life time warranty. Why did you accept that? -- Tekkie Don't bother to thank me, I do this as a public service. |
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Bob posted for all of us...
The Lowes Kobalt tools are made by Snap-on. no they are not -- Tekkie Don't bother to thank me, I do this as a public service. |
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wrote: It's time I purchased a nice set of screwdrivers for the ol' workbench. I frequently see large collections of 'em at Costco, but I'm wondering whether I should go someplace like Sears or Home Depot and pick up a quality set of a well-known brand? Is a screwdriver a screwdriver, or are there superior products to be had? -Fleemo I bought the Craftsmam autoloading screwdriver and love it. http://s7.sears.com/is/image/Sears/00947380000 |
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I bought a ( rachet ) screwdriver
that came with a set of accessory tips that fit darn near anything that fastens. It replaced the dozens of different drivers I'd been lugging around in my toolbox. Allen, torx, hex-head, ...they all fit the driver. AND... with another adaptor, I can use them with my electric drill. rj |
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Tekkie® wrote: Bob posted for all of us... The Lowes Kobalt tools are made by Snap-on. no they are not When I worked in the Lowes ToolWorld department several years ago, I was assured that they were. Why do you say they're not? Bob |
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Tekkie® wrote: Bob posted for all of us... The Lowes Kobalt tools are made by Snap-on. no they are not When I worked in the Lowes ToolWorld department several years ago, I was assured that they were. Why do you say they're not? Bob Ask Snap-on. The manufacturer may make some tools for the Blue Point line but are NOT manufactured by Snap-on. -- Tekkie Don't bother to thank me, I do this as a public service. |
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Tekkie® wrote: Bob posted for all of us... Tekkie® wrote: Bob posted for all of us... The Lowes Kobalt tools are made by Snap-on. no they are not When I worked in the Lowes ToolWorld department several years ago, I was assured that they were. Why do you say they're not? Bob Ask Snap-on. The manufacturer may make some tools for the Blue Point line but are NOT manufactured by Snap-on. Ok, here's the result of some web searches: www.moparchat.com/FORUMS/ "Kobalt tool boxes and chests are made by Snap On at their Snap On tool box manufacturing facility in Algona, Iowa. Snap On also makes the Kobalt tools. The Kobalt brand uses different forgings than the Snap On as well as different materials and heat treatments." http://www.boltgroup.com/HTML/cool/P...ses/Kobalt.htm "Lowe's first worked with BOLT starting in 1996 to launch Kobalt Mechanics Tools. Manufactured for Lowe's by Snap-On, Kobalt Tools are recognized for setting new standards in professional quality tools available everyday to all consumers through Lowe's. " www.team.net/www/morgan/tech/whotools.html "I was reading on your site about 'who makes what tools'. One part explians that the various manufactures use 'the exact same forgings' for all the various brands they sell. This is NOT true for Snap-on tools. Our retail brand Kobalt sold through Lowe's stores, shares very little if any traits with our traditional Snap-on line. They are made in the same plants, but most of the manufacturing tooling is different. They are made by the same UNION skilled machinists useing the same tried and true processes. The designs for these tools are completly different. They use different material and are heat treated differently. Dan Peronto, Tool Designer, Snap-on Tools, Kenosha Mfg Plant I just had to prove to myself that what I heard was true. Bob |
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Bob posted for all of us...
Tekkie® wrote: Bob posted for all of us... Tekkie® wrote: Bob posted for all of us... The Lowes Kobalt tools are made by Snap-on. no they are not When I worked in the Lowes ToolWorld department several years ago, I was assured that they were. Why do you say they're not? Bob Ask Snap-on. The manufacturer may make some tools for the Blue Point line but are NOT manufactured by Snap-on. Ok, here's the result of some web searches: www.moparchat.com/FORUMS/ "Kobalt tool boxes and chests are made by Snap On at their Snap On tool box manufacturing facility in Algona, Iowa. Snap On also makes the Kobalt tools. The Kobalt brand uses different forgings than the Snap On as well as different materials and heat treatments." http://www.boltgroup.com/HTML/cool/P...ses/Kobalt.htm "Lowe's first worked with BOLT starting in 1996 to launch Kobalt Mechanics Tools. Manufactured for Lowe's by Snap-On, Kobalt Tools are recognized for setting new standards in professional quality tools available everyday to all consumers through Lowe's. " www.team.net/www/morgan/tech/whotools.html "I was reading on your site about 'who makes what tools'. One part explians that the various manufactures use 'the exact same forgings' for all the various brands they sell. This is NOT true for Snap-on tools. Our retail brand Kobalt sold through Lowe's stores, shares very little if any traits with our traditional Snap-on line. They are made in the same plants, but most of the manufacturing tooling is different. They are made by the same UNION skilled machinists useing the same tried and true processes. The designs for these tools are completly different. They use different material and are heat treated differently. Dan Peronto, Tool Designer, Snap-on Tools, Kenosha Mfg Plant I just had to prove to myself that what I heard was true. Bob I admit I was wrong. I also asked the Snap-on dealer and he stated what you quoted. He stated that s/o bought the lewis co which has made crapsman tools among others. Specs are different between vendors - like many other products. -- Tekkie Don't bother to thank me, I do this as a public service. |
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The Lowes Kobalt tools are made by Snap-on. Are they the same quality as the regular Snap-on, or a made-to-spec inferior imitation? Any actual experience other than general store opinion? Bob Kobalt tools used to be made by J.H. Williams, a division of Snap-On. They were made in the same plants but not to the same specifications. See: http://www.team.net/www/morgan/tech/whotools.html Now they are made by Danaher, the same company who makes Craftsman sockets and maybe other Craftsman tools. See: http://groups.google.com/group/misc....d9b414b?hl=en& |
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On 16 Nov 2006 11:25:57 -0800, wrote:
It's time I purchased a nice set of screwdrivers for the ol' workbench. I frequently see large collections of 'em at Costco, but I'm wondering whether I should go someplace like Sears or Home Depot and pick up a quality set of a well-known brand? Is a screwdriver a screwdriver, or are there superior products to be had? -Fleemo For basic screwdrivers, I like kleins. I found Klein screwdrivers sold at Sears under the Craftsman name. Meaning if they fail, if that can happen, it's easy to get a lifetime replacement. Now for special screwdrivers, like ones with wire nut twisters, I opt for Ideal. Now they are ratching, sweet! Just my options, tom @ www.CarFleaMarket.com |
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