On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 00:01:27 -0700, "PrecisionMachinisT"
wrote:

Actually all Ive really seen from you so far besides a re-cap of commercial
refrigeration through time is some cockamamy story about a ship supposedly
popping apart...

And at this juncture the solution is fairly obvious= build a new
ship........

Ain't ya never heard of duck tape ???

Put it on that ship and ..... DUCK !!!!!!


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On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 00:01:27 -0700, "PrecisionMachinisT"
wrote:

Actually all Ive really seen from you so far besides a re-cap of
commercial
refrigeration through time is some cockamamy story about a ship
supposedly
popping apart...

And at this juncture the solution is fairly obvious= build a new
ship........

Ain't ya never heard of duck tape ???

Put it on that ship and ..... DUCK !!!!!!



Thanks, I forgot about trimming that one before I sent it.......

Still, big ****ing deal....big stuff = big bucks...in not in engineering
then in rigging it in etc.......but then there is the attendant risk,
definately not for everybody........

.....AND....

Nothing wrong with picking any of the various arena in which to do your main
business in, so long as you always try your damndest to do your level best.

And if truth be told, IMO anyone that's motivated to try and accumulate as
much wealth as he possibly can...regardless of the cost to humanity...is
****ing sick in the head.

--

SVL

On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 00:20:10 -0700, "PrecisionMachinisT"
wrote:


And if truth be told, IMO anyone that's motivated to try and accumulate as
much wealth as he possibly can...regardless of the cost to humanity...is
****ing sick in the head.

There comes some point where it becomes ludicrous. I mean,
after first few hundred million dollars, or your first couple of
billion...... what is actually the point ??? Other than jerking off
over numbers on a monthly statement, what exactly do you DO with it ?
You CAN'T spend it, you CAN'T enjoy it .....

And yet so many of them in that stratus not only spend every
waking moment trying to MAKE more, but even THAT is not enough - they
have to STEAL it ( Enron, Adelphia, Ebbers, Koslowski, etc, etc ) from
people who live paycheck to paycheck ........

'Wall Street' is one of my favorite movies - not out of
'wanting to be there' ( I don't ), but because the whole motivation of
the characters is so revulsive / repulsive to me, I find them
fascinating, like a rattlesnake or a viper ...... they don't even
actually WANT the extra money, they have no use for it at all - they
want to know that they stole it / finagled it / conned it out of
someone, THAT is their recreation.

Funny, how many of them end of 'offing' themselves anyway
...... I mean, not to make fun of it, but 'funny = strange', not 'funny
= humurous' .....


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'Wall Street' is one of my favorite movies - not out of
'wanting to be there' ( I don't ), but because the whole motivation of
the characters is so revulsive / repulsive to me, I find them
fascinating, like a rattlesnake or a viper ...... they don't even
actually WANT the extra money, they have no use for it at all - they
want to know that they stole it / finagled it / conned it out of
someone, THAT is their recreation.

Funny, how many of them end of 'offing' themselves anyway
..... I mean, not to make fun of it, but 'funny = strange', not 'funny
= humurous' .....


Well, I started down that road once...backed off, jacked off then ****ed the
other two....

Not that I'm socialist or communist at all.....

Just that there's certain folks....'character-wise' where any responsible
society should have the means to place better controls upon them is
all--Gates comes immediately to mind, but there are certainly plenty of
others out there......and at all economic levels if you view it on a global
scale.

===

Now curious......

Anyone want to brag now about how much money they got ???

( Barf-barf )

--

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"TURTLE" wrote:
This is Turtle.

OK you have the ability to take on a 700 Ton chiller bid on jobs. Now who
else
here has that ability around here to take it on. There is nobody here with
any
respectiable words or company that could take on this type job. i ask
sometime
back about a bid on a Casino job that would run into the Millions and i had a
line on it for being one of the good old boy indians. i ask here did anybody
want to take the job for i can hand it to them if they wanted it. Nobody want
any of it or even spoke of taking it. the job would be for Grand Casino corp.
in
Kinder , Louisiana.

Nobody wants anything to do with anything you're connected to weasel.
Your criminal past haunts you.


i think , I will speak. Now here is some more words and don't concider them
coming from anybody but ME.
Yea, more slobber from you running off at the mouth.

We at alt.hvac have become a bunch of kids fighting over control of the group
See a shrink weasel.


also we have become a place where a tech can't ask a question openly without
someone flaming on him for now knowing something about the question he ask.
Why you selling something weasel?


Now here is the group's condition and if it offends you, Sorry about that. If
it
don't offend you. You may want to look at what is going on here and try to do
something about it.

We don't need old hacks like you training anyone. Your half-assed "old
ways" are what the untrained and the "I don't give a ****" crowd uses.

You're pathetic.

--



Paul's cat got a furball and kept saying weasel's name.

*Hack* *Hack* *hack*

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On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:07:56 -0700, "Phil Scott"
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When I met the engineer. a greek guy I forgot his name he was
in Honolulu atire, shorts, and boots..and no hair on his
body...he told me the story.. he got so upset he shed all of
his hair and had to take a range of calm down pills and see a
shrink.

So, basically, you met some guy in Honolulu, discussed his
lack of body hair with him, discussed the fact that he was higher than
a kite, then listened to his little story.

Hmmmm.......

Not impressive trash boy... I meet all kinds of people, this guy held an
unlimited sea captains license. and was in command of one of H Salts
lobster processing ships... not a flake, and yes I believed him... he had
no reason to lie.

Your attitude is comon of people who deal with low level jerks and
operates at that range, a trasher boy mentality..not impressive


Phil Scott


This is Turtle.

Phil , I think you being selected to be drummed out of alt.hvac because
your ability to reason and figure stuff out better than Steve sea breezer
and Paul the cat lover. Look at all the past replys and you will see a
team effort from these two to remove you with words of dislike. Most
people with a good education will not see a game being plaied by trashy
People in team effort.

Just Be Aware !

Thanks,,,i had noticed that too. Mostly I kill file those types after a
short exchange. They sure arent doing the trade anygood. its those types
that drag the rates down also. You dont see them out here on the west
coast or even in Texas to any extent. it seems to a south east coast but
primarily florida problem due to lax licensing and whatever.


Phil Scott


This is Turtle.

Louisiana and Florida are about the same with no licences or traning
required. All you need is a $200.00 operator permitt and a set of guages,
drum of gas , EPA test card, and your a expert.

About the ''''' Control-A-troll ''''' around alt.hvac, there is a few
want-a-bee salesmen and small time scam artist that wants to control the
alt.hvac, but they are not smart enough to know you may get control for one
day and then get shot out of the saddle the next day by the next fellow you
try to get out of the group. i think sometimes that these Control-A-troll
think that they can get control of the group to have it like a advertisment
place for Paul's HVAC Software and Sea Breeze Steve's HVAC parts sold over
the internet. Just some thoughts here.

OK that explains the motive at least for idiots. They would have been a lot
smarter to have not run off the talented posters... those are the ones most
people arrive to read.

So now these folks have a tiny customer base of idiots...that type never
spends much money.




So , speak freely and just don't worry about the Contol-A-trolls .

I only see alt.HVAC posts when someone cross posts to
alt.building.construction...otherwise these people were not impressive..
appliance repairmen for the most part.. nothing above the home owner level.

The real money in this business is in large commercial installations and
service, the larger hotels, chillers etc over 100 tons, many in Florida over
500 tons. that work bills out at over 90 dollars an hour. Here in calif
120 dollars an hour...and parts profits can double that.

Same with the industrial market we have here in Silicon valley.. semi
conductor clean rooms also in Texas and the north east. especially the DDC
controls end of it.

I tried to tip these guys to that market but it was a no go....that market
takes both brains and a professional demeanor..

the brains can be fixed up by understanding a few principles of physics. Most
of the applicance types seem to think physics is over their head...but its
actually not if these are fortunate enough to have a good mentor.

alas... it was not to be. Now that I see who these guys are Im not going
to spend any time on it.


We working class folks, including engineers such as myself are about to be
screwed entirely to the wall here in the US as new immigrants are doing most
of this work cheap..and the high end is being exported to india.

Its going to pay many of these guys to get some more high end skills.. On
the bottom end there will always be some appliance work but at 10 bucks an
hour, a tough way to make a living.
Phil Scott



this is Turtle.

this group is not the caliber to talking to , to fill that set of boots. we
are techs, small business owners, Software salesmen, and a few want a bee
King of the Hill. I think the show King of the hill best describes the
alt.hvac..

i knew of only three people who come through here that could be interested in
the offers you spoke of but they was run off by the stupid King of the Hill
Game.

If it even sounds like Air conditioning or Heating, then I work on it. 1/2ton
to 700tons. I'm still here Turtle. As for Phil, he's an ass who is full of
himself, apparently. And Jake is apparently as much an industrial/commercial
guy as Phil, and more so than even I am.
Some of our customers, or as Jake calls them "clients":
Bitec, Dana, Laddish, Tyson Corp., Eskimo Pie, Entergy Corp. JW Aluminum,
Firestone...., and these are just a few.

Bugger off Phil, I didn't have a problem with you until you started spouting
****.

hvacrmedic



This is Turtle.

OK you have the ability to take on a 700 Ton chiller bid on jobs. Now who else
here has that ability around here to take it on.

What difference does it make?

There is nobody here with any
respectiable words or company that could take on this type job. i ask sometime
back about a bid on a Casino job that would run into the Millions and i had a
line on it for being one of the good old boy indians. i ask here did anybody
want to take the job for i can hand it to them if they wanted it. Nobody want
any of it or even spoke of taking it. the job would be for Grand Casino corp. in
Kinder , Louisiana.

I shared my thoughts on that.


also i don't know Phil but he did touch on the problems we was having and what
or how stupid we have become on the newsgroup. Weither Phil is a Troll , No body
, or a King of the HVAC world makes no difference but what he saids was very
much true. Now I'm sorry for offending you with my Frankly spoken words but what
i think , I will speak. Now here is some more words and don't concider them
coming from anybody but ME.

Bull****. I've heard enough. The solution is to quit posting the sort of
crap that you and Phil are posting right now. End of story.

I am plonking you along with Phil. I've had it with your whining. I
think you're a decent person, that's not the issue. Bye.

hvacrmedic

"TURTLE"

We at alt.hvac have become a bunch of kids fighting over control of
the group ......

We don't have a "leader", Turtle, or anyone who "controls" the group.
There is nothing to control, or administer to.
It's just a bunch of people with computers, typing instead of talking.
That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. Plain and simple.
No leader, no president, no vice-president, no cabinet, no senate, etc...
You post, you read, you post somemore.
I really wish you could see beyond this idea of yours that this group needs
a leader.
Once you realize this, a lot of the fighting will stop.

Respectfully, Bob

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There comes some point where it becomes ludicrous. I mean,
after first few hundred million dollars, or your first couple of
billion...... what is actually the point ??? Other than jerking off
over numbers on a monthly statement, what exactly do you DO with it ?
You CAN'T spend it, you CAN'T enjoy it .....

Reminds me of one of my favorite lines from "The Simpsons".
Monty Burns, looking sad, states that "I'd give it all up, for just a
little more!".

Respectfully, Bob

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When I met the engineer. a greek guy I forgot his name he was
in Honolulu atire, shorts, and boots..and no hair on his
body...he told me the story.. he got so upset he shed all of
his hair and had to take a range of calm down pills and see a
shrink.

So, basically, you met some guy in Honolulu, discussed his
lack of body hair with him, discussed the fact that he was higher than
a kite, then listened to his little story.

Hmmmm.......

Not impressive trash boy... I meet all kinds of people, this guy held
an unlimited sea captains license. and was in command of one of H
Salts lobster processing ships... not a flake, and yes I believed
him... he had no reason to lie.

Your attitude is comon of people who deal with low level jerks and
operates at that range, a trasher boy mentality..not impressive


Phil Scott


This is Turtle.

Phil , I think you being selected to be drummed out of alt.hvac because
your ability to reason and figure stuff out better than Steve sea
breezer and Paul the cat lover. Look at all the past replys and you will
see a team effort from these two to remove you with words of dislike.
Most people with a good education will not see a game being plaied by
trashy People in team effort.

Just Be Aware !

Thanks,,,i had noticed that too. Mostly I kill file those types after a
short exchange. They sure arent doing the trade anygood. its those types
that drag the rates down also. You dont see them out here on the west
coast or even in Texas to any extent. it seems to a south east coast but
primarily florida problem due to lax licensing and whatever.


Phil Scott


This is Turtle.

Louisiana and Florida are about the same with no licences or traning
required. All you need is a $200.00 operator permitt and a set of guages,
drum of gas , EPA test card, and your a expert.

About the ''''' Control-A-troll ''''' around alt.hvac, there is a few
want-a-bee salesmen and small time scam artist that wants to control the
alt.hvac, but they are not smart enough to know you may get control for
one day and then get shot out of the saddle the next day by the next
fellow you try to get out of the group. i think sometimes that these
Control-A-troll think that they can get control of the group to have it
like a advertisment place for Paul's HVAC Software and Sea Breeze Steve's
HVAC parts sold over the internet. Just some thoughts here.

OK that explains the motive at least for idiots. They would have been a
lot smarter to have not run off the talented posters... those are the ones
most people arrive to read.

So now these folks have a tiny customer base of idiots...that type never
spends much money.




So , speak freely and just don't worry about the Contol-A-trolls .

I only see alt.HVAC posts when someone cross posts to
alt.building.construction...otherwise these people were not impressive..
appliance repairmen for the most part.. nothing above the home owner level.

The real money in this business is in large commercial installations and
service, the larger hotels, chillers etc over 100 tons, many in Florida
over 500 tons. that work bills out at over 90 dollars an hour. Here in
calif 120 dollars an hour...and parts profits can double that.

Same with the industrial market we have here in Silicon valley.. semi
conductor clean rooms also in Texas and the north east. especially the
DDC controls end of it.

I tried to tip these guys to that market but it was a no go....that market
takes both brains and a professional demeanor..

the brains can be fixed up by understanding a few principles of physics.
Most of the applicance types seem to think physics is over their head...but
its actually not if these are fortunate enough to have a good mentor.

alas... it was not to be. Now that I see who these guys are Im not going
to spend any time on it.


We working class folks, including engineers such as myself are about to be
screwed entirely to the wall here in the US as new immigrants are doing
most of this work cheap..and the high end is being exported to india.

Its going to pay many of these guys to get some more high end skills..
On the bottom end there will always be some appliance work but at 10 bucks
an hour, a tough way to make a living.
Phil Scott



this is Turtle.

this group is not the caliber to talking to , to fill that set of boots. we
are techs, small business owners, Software salesmen, and a few want a bee
King of the Hill. I think the show King of the hill best describes the
alt.hvac..

i knew of only three people who come through here that could be interested
in the offers you spoke of but they was run off by the stupid King of the
Hill Game.

If it even sounds like Air conditioning or Heating, then I work on it. 1/2ton
to 700tons. I'm still here Turtle. As for Phil, he's an ass who is full of
himself, apparently. And Jake is apparently as much an industrial/commercial
guy as Phil, and more so than even I am.
Some of our customers, or as Jake calls them "clients":
Bitec, Dana, Laddish, Tyson Corp., Eskimo Pie, Entergy Corp. JW Aluminum,
Firestone...., and these are just a few.

Bugger off Phil, I didn't have a problem with you until you started spouting
****.

hvacrmedic



This is Turtle.

OK you have the ability to take on a 700 Ton chiller bid on jobs. Now who
else here has that ability around here to take it on.

What difference does it make?

There is nobody here with any respectiable words or company that could take
on this type job. i ask sometime back about a bid on a Casino job that would
run into the Millions and i had a line on it for being one of the good old
boy indians. i ask here did anybody want to take the job for i can hand it to
them if they wanted it. Nobody want any of it or even spoke of taking it. the
job would be for Grand Casino corp. in Kinder , Louisiana.

I shared my thoughts on that.


also i don't know Phil but he did touch on the problems we was having and
what or how stupid we have become on the newsgroup. Weither Phil is a Troll ,
No body , or a King of the HVAC world makes no difference but what he saids
was very much true. Now I'm sorry for offending you with my Frankly spoken
words but what i think , I will speak. Now here is some more words and don't
concider them coming from anybody but ME.

Bull****. I've heard enough. The solution is to quit posting the sort of crap
that you and Phil are posting right now. End of story.

I am plonking you along with Phil. I've had it with your whining. I think
you're a decent person, that's not the issue. Bye.

hvacrmedic


This is Turtle.

I can see why you have this view , for no one here but just a few select members
can speak as they feel and if your not one of the suck up group of the Pencil ,
and if you speak out a view of your own and does not agree with the Pencil
minion group view. Your met with a vast aray of hatred that anybody could ever
think of as coming from a few people that could speak them.

I do suggest you PLONK me and any others that might speak freely about what they
think. If you start discussing different ideal with different people. You could
get side ways with the Minion group of Pencils and become a out case like myself
and hundred in the past by speaking out about what you think. Close you mine up
and get behind Pencil and you possion of respect will be safe here. I don't
think bad about you doing this for it is the thing to do when tring stay in good
favor in a Minion run group.

TURTLE

On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 00:24:21 GMT, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Wonder if he's really a HVAC guy? Might be a teenage bag boy at Krogers?



He's a major presence on the HVAC newsgroup and has been around for
years...do homework before making disparagements.

I suspect he was working on AC when it involved lumps of ice and
slaves with large palm leaf fans....

He's a curmudgeon but I do believe he knows whereof he speaks and you
would do well to listen to him.

Jim P.

Thanks for the counsell. However, I don't listen to anyone who is crude,
foul mouthed, and vicious in his attacks against others. My life is
influenced for good or for evil by the people I associate. And, evil
influences I do not need. I remember hearing years ago that the Devil can
quote scripture, but that doesn't mean I want Satan in my life.

--

Christopher A. Young
Do good work.
It's longer in the short run
but shorter in the long run.
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On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 00:24:21 GMT, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Wonder if he's really a HVAC guy? Might be a teenage bag boy at Krogers?



He's a major presence on the HVAC newsgroup and has been around for
years...do homework before making disparagements.

I suspect he was working on AC when it involved lumps of ice and
slaves with large palm leaf fans....

He's a curmudgeon but I do believe he knows whereof he speaks and you
would do well to listen to him.

Jim P.

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Thanks for the counsell. However, I don't listen to anyone who is crude,
foul mouthed, and vicious in his attacks against others. My life is
influenced for good or for evil by the people I associate. And, evil
influences I do not need. I remember hearing years ago that the Devil can
quote scripture, but that doesn't mean I want Satan in my life.

And as a professional, a true professional, not some wannabe HVAC guy like
you that also turns locks for a living, I prefer not to have your kind in
the trade.
Either get your training, like most of us did in here, or get out.
This is not the place for you to try to learn about things that you dont
understand.
There is nothing evil about someone striving for perfection, as you should
know, even if you ARE a member of a cult. There is nothing evil about
telling you that you are a fool, that you are dangerous, and that you have
no right, nor the expertise to be giving anyone anywhere any advice on HVAC
work of anysort.
But I guess its ok to steal from drunk women right? YOUR words Chris, not
mine..you yourself admitted to stealing $100 from that drunk woman that the
state trooper brought home..in itself hard to believe, but you posted it....
YOU posted that you put an old capacitor that you didnt even know the rating
on, on a "customers" unit to get it running, and you yourself posted that
you dont know how to properly wire a contactor to insure that the crankcase
heater works properly.
You dont know, according to your words, how to check subcool, or superheat.
You, by your own words, do not own the proper tools to service, or take
proper readings to insure a customers unit is working properly. You are, by
your own words, a gas and go kinda guy....in other words, a hack.
Yout got Satan, you got him standing right beside you, and as a
Moron...err..Mormon, you should know its a daily battle there, but I doubt
you would understand that, since your previous postings that are full of
porn references, and liebelious statements show that you have a "Mormon as
you need to be" attitude.
And your last posting in here, the one that states that we are here to teach
you, or you will continue to go out and cause harm to others..said loads
about you. You dont care. Thats all I need to know to know you. Respect is
something you will never have from me, nor any other legitimate tech, or
owner in here.
Thankfully, Jan 1st, 2006, your kind will start to fall to the wayside, as
the lawsuits start rolling in against you guys that cant understand, or wont
get the training, simple as it is, for 13SEER and higher units. You will be
out there slapping 13SEER condensors on old 10 SEER coils and when the
issues start, so will the lawsuits.
I cant wait till you get a R410a unit, again, something by your own
admission, you know nothing about..and you dont know what the pink decal is
for. I dare to bet that in 5 years, you still will not be 410 certified and
still wont have a clue...I mean, you still dont have a clue about 22 units,
and yet, here you are, giving advice, wrong, and dangerous. You are a hack
plain and simple..your idea of electrical is downright scary.
Every time you take money for a job you do, you have screwed your so called
customer, or should I say, test subject.

--

Christopher A. Young
Has not a damn clue
Is not safe
and is nothing but a hack
.
.


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On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 00:24:21 GMT, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Wonder if he's really a HVAC guy? Might be a teenage bag boy at Krogers?



He's a major presence on the HVAC newsgroup and has been around for
years...do homework before making disparagements.

I suspect he was working on AC when it involved lumps of ice and
slaves with large palm leaf fans....

He's a curmudgeon but I do believe he knows whereof he speaks and you
would do well to listen to him.

Jim P.

Carolina Breeze HVAC posted for all of us...
I don't top post - see either inline or at bottom.

Thankfully, Jan 1st, 2006, your kind will start to fall to the wayside, as
the lawsuits start rolling in against you guys that cant understand, or wont

Do you honestly think this will stop him? He is probably judgement proof. He
probably has no kind of insurance; as he seems to have no kind of conscience.
Would you want his Pinto wagon after he destroys your house?
--

Tekkie

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On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 00:24:21 GMT, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Wonder if he's really a HVAC guy? Might be a teenage bag boy
at Krogers?



He's a major presence on the HVAC newsgroup and has been
around for
years...do homework before making disparagements.

I suspect he was working on AC when it involved lumps of ice
and
slaves with large palm leaf fans....

He's a curmudgeon but I do believe he knows whereof he
speaks and you
would do well to listen to him.

Jim P.

I don't find any loud mouth abusive types that ever know their
business. Such behavior seems to be a cover for incompetence
and worse.

Truly competent people are calm and decent and self
respecting... and they respect others in error not. thats
just how it is.

When I was younger I was a semi pro motorcycle racer, dirt
ovals, the half mile and mile tracks on the west coast, and a
little road racing and motocross. Thats one hell of a
dangerous sport. ( Ran a 500cc triumph in those days,
bultaco's, a 450 husqvarna, and a 360 yamaha that I won the
open class on at the 1972 Wilseville Hare and Hound (400
riders some from europe run that event every year... today I
run a 600cc ATK / rotax.)



Every race sees at least one ambulance or chopper run to the
hospital.. some tracks, such as Lodi Cycle bowl (where I still
run the less competitive senior class) ends up killing one or
two people a year.

Without exception the winners, the guys who slide it sideways
into the turns at 130 mph are polite decent people... there
are not that many loud mouth idiots at a race track.. ... the
few abusive types that do show can be counted on to get
lapped a few times and they almost always run junk.

It seems personal accomplishment and pride go together.. the
guy looks sharp, runs primo equipment, wins, respects
himself... and that carries over to how he treats others.



On Alt.HVAC I must say I had not run into as much ignorant
abuse in my life. ..and mostly from guys doing appliances..
the lowest end of the business. Not a surprise. Too bad it
gets spammed onto other NG's.


Phil Scott

"Phil Scott" wrote


On Alt.HVAC I must say I had not run into as much ignorant abuse in my
life. ..and mostly from guys doing appliances.. the lowest end of the
business.


Hey! Somebody has to do it!


F*ck You and your family too!!!!!


;-]

"Phil Scott" wrote in message
...
:
: wrote in message
: ...
: On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 00:24:21 GMT, "Stormin Mormon"
: wrote:
:
: Wonder if he's really a HVAC guy? Might be a teenage bag boy
: at Krogers?
:
:
:
: He's a major presence on the HVAC newsgroup and has been
: around for
: years...do homework before making disparagements.
:
: I suspect he was working on AC when it involved lumps of ice
: and
: slaves with large palm leaf fans....
:
: He's a curmudgeon but I do believe he knows whereof he
: speaks and you
: would do well to listen to him.
:
: Jim P.
:
: I don't find any loud mouth abusive types that ever know their
: business. Such behavior seems to be a cover for incompetence
: and worse.
:
: Truly competent people are calm and decent and self
: respecting... and they respect others in error not. thats
: just how it is.
:
: When I was younger I was a semi pro motorcycle racer, dirt
: ovals, the half mile and mile tracks on the west coast, and a
: little road racing and motocross. Thats one hell of a
: dangerous sport. ( Ran a 500cc triumph in those days,
: bultaco's, a 450 husqvarna, and a 360 yamaha that I won the
: open class on at the 1972 Wilseville Hare and Hound (400
: riders some from europe run that event every year... today I
: run a 600cc ATK / rotax.)
:
:
:
: Every race sees at least one ambulance or chopper run to the
: hospital.. some tracks, such as Lodi Cycle bowl (where I still
: run the less competitive senior class) ends up killing one or
: two people a year.
:
: Without exception the winners, the guys who slide it sideways
: into the turns at 130 mph are polite decent people... there
: are not that many loud mouth idiots at a race track.. ... the
: few abusive types that do show can be counted on to get
: lapped a few times and they almost always run junk.
:
: It seems personal accomplishment and pride go together.. the
: guy looks sharp, runs primo equipment, wins, respects
: himself... and that carries over to how he treats others.
:
:
:
: On Alt.HVAC I must say I had not run into as much ignorant
: abuse in my life. ..and mostly from guys doing appliances..
: the lowest end of the business. Not a surprise. Too bad it
: gets spammed onto other NG's.
:
:
: Phil Scott
:
:
:
:
:
It's best to just ignore them and leave them swinging in the
breeze. They feed on hate & discontent so ignoring them starves
them to death.

I sort of "study" this type of socalled human being and at the
moment this group has two sets of mongers at work. One is from
the group as mentioned and the other are a roving group of real
despots who literally feed, even thrive on hate and discontent.
When they get the proper bites to their spew, and I'm happy to
see this group isn't allowing it, they move in with greater
numbers, their goal being to crash the group to no longer being
usable.
That happens when folks let them get to them. Just ignore
them, keep your thick skins on, and no matter how long they stick
around, their efforts will be futile.
This group is doing well, but there are too many people
responding to them, myself included on occasion when I know who
they are and they know I know them. I usually only do that when
they leave an opening where I know I'll **** them off because I
have learned what irritates th em. Ymmv, and I wouldn't advise
following my lead. I've violated an important ethic; ignore
trolls and intentional idiots.

Pop

I think it is the freon that affects HVAC people's brain. Look at the hole
it put in the ozone! Now, imagine a hole of that relative size in their
heads. You can look through their ears and see daylight on the other side.

Except Turtle. If you read at all, you know Turtle is one of the good guys.
He may need a little polishing, but he's a gem in the rough. If you think
otherwise, go get checked for holes in your brain.

Steve

In article pxnMe.47799$DW1.38408@fed1read06,
"SteveB" wrote:

I think it is the freon that affects HVAC people's brain.
That's your problem. Stop trying to do what you haven't the tools for.

Look at the hole
it put in the ozone!

Have you seen it? I can photoshop one up for you. Or reverse a thermal
image and "prove" whatever bull**** I want an idiot like you to believe.
Oh I see you're been gotten to already lol


Now, imagine a hole of that relative size in their
heads. You can look through their ears and see daylight on the other side.

Except Turtle. If you read at all, you know Turtle is one of the good guys.
He may need a little polishing, but he's a gem in the rough. If you think
otherwise, go get checked for holes in your brain.

weasel loves ones like you. He doesn't have to kiss you or roll you in
flour.
I think Barnum under estimated the number of you.

--



Paul's cat got a furball and kept saying weasel's name.

*Hack* *Hack* *hack*

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:23:03 -0700, "SteveB"
wrote:

I think it is the freon that affects HVAC people's brain. Look at the hole
it put in the ozone! Now, imagine a hole of that relative size in their
heads. You can look through their ears and see daylight on the other side.

Except Turtle. If you read at all, you know Turtle is one of the good guys.
He may need a little polishing, but he's a gem in the rough. If you think
otherwise, go get checked for holes in your brain.

Steve


Shove it up your own hole, moron.


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wrote in message
...
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:23:03 -0700, "SteveB"
wrote:

I think it is the freon that affects HVAC people's brain. Look at the
hole
it put in the ozone! Now, imagine a hole of that relative size in their
heads. You can look through their ears and see daylight on the other
side.

Except Turtle. If you read at all, you know Turtle is one of the good
guys.
He may need a little polishing, but he's a gem in the rough. If you think
otherwise, go get checked for holes in your brain.

Steve


Shove it up your own hole, moron.



Snorting that freon again, huh?

"Pop" wrote in message
...

It's best to just ignore them and leave them swinging in the
breeze.


Too funny--esp. coming from the guy that called me a liar and a lout, then
invited me to a fistfight but yet was too ****ing chicken**** to post his
address.

--

SVL

Pop wrote:
"Phil Scott" wrote in message
...
:
: wrote in message
: ...
: On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 00:24:21 GMT, "Stormin Mormon"
: wrote:
:
: Wonder if he's really a HVAC guy? Might be a teenage bag boy
: at Krogers?
:
:
:
: He's a major presence on the HVAC newsgroup and has been
: around for
: years...do homework before making disparagements.
:
: I suspect he was working on AC when it involved lumps of ice
: and
: slaves with large palm leaf fans....
:
: He's a curmudgeon but I do believe he knows whereof he
: speaks and you
: would do well to listen to him.
:
: Jim P.
:
: I don't find any loud mouth abusive types that ever know their
: business. Such behavior seems to be a cover for incompetence
: and worse.
:
: Truly competent people are calm and decent and self
: respecting... and they respect others in error not. thats
: just how it is.
:
: When I was younger I was a semi pro motorcycle racer, dirt
: ovals, the half mile and mile tracks on the west coast, and a
: little road racing and motocross. Thats one hell of a
: dangerous sport. ( Ran a 500cc triumph in those days,
: bultaco's, a 450 husqvarna, and a 360 yamaha that I won the
: open class on at the 1972 Wilseville Hare and Hound (400
: riders some from europe run that event every year... today I
: run a 600cc ATK / rotax.)
:
:
:
: Every race sees at least one ambulance or chopper run to the
: hospital.. some tracks, such as Lodi Cycle bowl (where I still
: run the less competitive senior class) ends up killing one or
: two people a year.
:
: Without exception the winners, the guys who slide it sideways
: into the turns at 130 mph are polite decent people... there
: are not that many loud mouth idiots at a race track.. ... the
: few abusive types that do show can be counted on to get
: lapped a few times and they almost always run junk.
:
: It seems personal accomplishment and pride go together.. the
: guy looks sharp, runs primo equipment, wins, respects
: himself... and that carries over to how he treats others.
:
:
:
: On Alt.HVAC I must say I had not run into as much ignorant
: abuse in my life. ..and mostly from guys doing appliances..
: the lowest end of the business. Not a surprise. Too bad it
: gets spammed onto other NG's.
:
:
: Phil Scott
:
:
:
:
:
It's best to just ignore them and leave them swinging in the
breeze. They feed on hate & discontent so ignoring them starves
them to death.

I sort of "study" this type of socalled human being and at the
moment this group has two sets of mongers at work. One is from
the group as mentioned and the other are a roving group of real
despots who literally feed, even thrive on hate and discontent.
When they get the proper bites to their spew, and I'm happy to
see this group isn't allowing it, they move in with greater
numbers, their goal being to crash the group to no longer being
usable.
That happens when folks let them get to them. Just ignore
them, keep your thick skins on, and no matter how long they stick
around, their efforts will be futile.
This group is doing well, but there are too many people
responding to them, myself included on occasion when I know who
they are and they know I know them. I usually only do that when
they leave an opening where I know I'll **** them off because I
have learned what irritates th em. Ymmv, and I wouldn't advise
following my lead. I've violated an important ethic; ignore
trolls and intentional idiots.

Pop



he has given good advice i believe. i have used his examples to ask
questions to my service company on my system. they sometimes looked
surprised that asked those questions. and they answered them and they
did not say i was wrong.

Phil Scott wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 00:24:21 GMT, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Wonder if he's really a HVAC guy? Might be a teenage bag boy
at Krogers?



He's a major presence on the HVAC newsgroup and has been
around for
years...do homework before making disparagements.

I suspect he was working on AC when it involved lumps of ice
and
slaves with large palm leaf fans....

He's a curmudgeon but I do believe he knows whereof he
speaks and you
would do well to listen to him.

Jim P.

I don't find any loud mouth abusive types that ever know their
business. Such behavior seems to be a cover for incompetence
and worse.

Truly competent people are calm and decent and self
respecting... and they respect others in error not. thats
just how it is.

When I was younger I was a semi pro motorcycle racer, dirt
ovals, the half mile and mile tracks on the west coast, and a
little road racing and motocross. Thats one hell of a
dangerous sport. ( Ran a 500cc triumph in those days,
bultaco's, a 450 husqvarna, and a 360 yamaha that I won the
open class on at the 1972 Wilseville Hare and Hound (400
riders some from europe run that event every year... today I
run a 600cc ATK / rotax.)

Every race sees at least one ambulance or chopper run to the
hospital.. some tracks, such as Lodi Cycle bowl (where I still
run the less competitive senior class) ends up killing one or
two people a year.

Without exception the winners, the guys who slide it sideways
into the turns at 130 mph are polite decent people... there
are not that many loud mouth idiots at a race track.. ... the
few abusive types that do show can be counted on to get
lapped a few times and they almost always run junk.

It seems personal accomplishment and pride go together.. the
guy looks sharp, runs primo equipment, wins, respects
himself... and that carries over to how he treats others.

On Alt.HVAC I must say I had not run into as much ignorant
abuse in my life. ..and mostly from guys doing appliances..
the lowest end of the business. Not a surprise. Too bad it
gets spammed onto other NG's.

Phil Scott



Where do you think all the TV repairmen went?



John

Ah, but did you word it in the true Steve fasion?

What the (&( do you *&((& think you are *&^*7 doing, with that ^(&*(&
reccomendation. You are a bunch of *&^*(^ hacks, and deserve to be dipped in
*^*(&^&* oil and set on fire, you &&^% worthless piece of &^%&%^ get off
my )*)))(&*^^* step before I &^*(^* your ass with a
&%&*%&!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It really isn't a fair test of a Kroger boy's wisdom unless you capture all
the nuances. I mean, if you just ask if they included a filter drier near
the TXV, that takes all the personalized character out of the query.

--

Christopher A. Young
Do good work.
It's longer in the short run
but shorter in the long run.
..
..


"jdk" wrote in message
. ..
I sort of "study" this type of socalled human being and at the
moment this group has two sets of mongers at work. One is from
the group as mentioned and the other are a roving group of real
despots who literally feed, even thrive on hate and discontent.
Pop



he has given good advice i believe. i have used his examples to ask
questions to my service company on my system. they sometimes looked
surprised that asked those questions. and they answered them and they
did not say i was wrong.

"jdk" wrote in message
. ..

he has given good advice i believe. i have used his examples to ask
questions to my service company on my system. they sometimes looked
surprised that asked those questions. and they answered them and they
did not say i was wrong.

Wondering just who in the **** exactly are you talking about.....you left
absulutely no attributes in your post.......

For all I know it could be Jesus or could be Beelzebub...all I know is that
from my vantage point your apparently simply another blithering idiot.

Please try and at least lay off the bottle if your gonna post to usenet.

--

SVL

This is boB

You need to look at someplace other than Oakdale. We got a unit only for
our 1985 SF home and it was $5K. That was the CHEAPEST. This was 7 years
ago. Our property value has gone up 40% here as well. Can Oakdale boast
that? If you want to make some money, come to FL.

--

boB
"TURTLE" wrote in message
...

"RP" wrote in message
...


RP wrote:



TURTLE wrote:

wrote in message
ups.com...

Installing central air costs a lot of money. Once it's installed,
the
cost of running it is less than the cost of what you have now.
However, it would take more than 30 years to make up the cost. It
could even take more than 100 years. In other words, if it costs you
$1000 a year to run window units and $800 a year to run central air
that's a savings of $200. However, if central air costs $6,000 to
install, it will take 30 years times $200 a year for you to get your
money back.
So if you are comfortable now, don't change. If you are hot now,
consider the money.



This is Turtle.

If you think a standard hvac system would cost about $6K. I need to
move my
business to your area and open back up for I like the way you think.


Are you still in the business Turtle? 6K is a normal median price. Some
are
less, some more. You can't touch an Infinity system for 6K, nor even
just a
13SEER 410-A over 3.5 tons.

BTW, given that the OP apparently needs ductwork too, well, Awwwwww

hvacrmedic


This is Turtle.

I don't know of any single hvac system that cost $6K as of now or in
history of
Oakdale.

There is 3 -- 410-A systems in oakdale and all 3 of them are not working.
We had
a local install them and they don't work right. He has not got paid for
them yet
and is being sued.

The highest bid i know of was $5,300.00 for a 5 ton 13 seer rheem heat
pump for
a small Church and plenty of ductwork.

now if you get commercially the money goes up and $6K is nothing for a
job. Now
all residentiually job are poor boy stuff and is low ball, city. We have
one
hvac fellow who trys to get $250.00 off a complete system change out of 4
or 5
tons.

TURTLE

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Please try and at least lay off the bottle if your gonna post to
usenet.

I'll drink to that!

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wide-open at throttle dot info

"~^Johnny^~" wrote in message
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On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:14:52 -0700, "PrecisionMachinisT"
wrote:

Please try and at least lay off the bottle if your gonna post to
usenet.

I'll drink to that!


As will I......

So only question left then is who is it that's buying this time ???

--

SVL