"TURTLE"

We at alt.hvac have become a bunch of kids fighting over control of
the group ......

We don't have a "leader", Turtle, or anyone who "controls" the group.
There is nothing to control, or administer to.
It's just a bunch of people with computers, typing instead of talking.
That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. Plain and simple.
No leader, no president, no vice-president, no cabinet, no senate, etc...
You post, you read, you post somemore.
I really wish you could see beyond this idea of yours that this group needs
a leader.
Once you realize this, a lot of the fighting will stop.

Respectfully, Bob