[Thomarse]

Hi,

I drained my heating system last night so that I could move a radiator
from one wall to another and to add some thermostatic valves to some
rads in the house.

Having drained the system I noticed a strange growling noize coming
from my airing cuboard when the boiler kicked in to heat the hot water
(I had turned off the heating but left hot water o timed as usual)..

The growing was coming from a pump in teh ariing cuboard so I quickly
turned off the ho****er on the controls and the growling stopped.

This is obviously becuase there is no water in the heating system, but
I dont understand why, I was under teh impression that the hot water
and heting coudl work independently.

Safe to say, I will not be turning teh hot water back on until I have
sorted out teh radiator move, which I hope I can do this evening as I
dont want to be without hot water for long!

Has anyone else experiened anything like it or have an explanation for
me to reassure me that it is normal and when I fill the heating system
back up it will all be ok...

I couldnt go into more deatil on the system ins and outs as I havent
got a clue what type it is etc.. It is over 20 years old however, and
can be tempramental at times!

Tom

[RobertL]

On Jun 20, 8:43 am, Thomarse wrote:
Hi,

I drained my heating system last night so that I could move a radiator
from one wall to another and to add some thermostatic valves to some
rads in the house.

Having drained the system I noticed a strange growling noize coming
from my airing cuboard when the boiler kicked in to heat the hot water
(I had turned off the heating but left hot water o timed as usual)..

The growing was coming from a pump in teh ariing cuboard so I quickly
turned off the ho****er on the controls and the growling stopped.

This is obviously becuase there is no water in the heating system, but
I dont understand why, I was under teh impression that the hot water
and heting coudl work independently.

Safe to say, I will not be turning teh hot water back on until I have
sorted out teh radiator move, which I hope I can do this evening as I
dont want to be without hot water for long!

Has anyone else experiened anything like it or have an explanation for
me to reassure me that it is normal and when I fill the heating system
back up it will all be ok...

I couldnt go into more deatil on the system ins and outs as I havent
got a clue what type it is etc.. It is over 20 years old however, and
can be tempramental at times!

Tom


this does not answer your question, but I have noticed that my boiler
(a Vokera Maxin) will not run unless there is adequate pressure in the
CH circuit. It does so even if it is set to HW only.

R

[[email protected]]

On 20 Jun, 08:43, Thomarse wrote:
Hi,

I drained my heating system last night so that I could move a radiator
from one wall to another and to add some thermostatic valves to some
rads in the house.

Having drained the system I noticed a strange growling noize coming
from my airing cuboard when the boiler kicked in to heat the hot water
(I had turned off the heating but left hot water o timed as usual)..

The growing was coming from a pump in teh ariing cuboard so I quickly
turned off the ho****er on the controls and the growling stopped.

This is obviously becuase there is no water in the heating system, but
I dont understand why, I was under teh impression that the hot water
and heting coudl work independently.

Safe to say, I will not be turning teh hot water back on until I have
sorted out teh radiator move, which I hope I can do this evening as I
dont want to be without hot water for long!

Has anyone else experiened anything like it or have an explanation for
me to reassure me that it is normal and when I fill the heating system
back up it will all be ok...

I couldnt go into more deatil on the system ins and outs as I havent
got a clue what type it is etc.. It is over 20 years old however, and
can be tempramental at times!

Tom

This might help figure out how yours works:
http://content.honeywell.com/uk/homes/systems.htm

NT

[Andy Cap]

On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 00:43:07 -0700, Thomarse
wrote:

Hi,

I drained my heating system last night so that I could move a radiator
from one wall to another and to add some thermostatic valves to some
rads in the house.

Having drained the system I noticed a strange growling noize coming
from my airing cuboard when the boiler kicked in to heat the hot water
(I had turned off the heating but left hot water o timed as usual)..

The growing was coming from a pump in teh ariing cuboard so I quickly
turned off the ho****er on the controls and the growling stopped.

This is obviously becuase there is no water in the heating system, but
I dont understand why, I was under teh impression that the hot water
and heting coudl work independently.

Safe to say, I will not be turning teh hot water back on until I have
sorted out teh radiator move, which I hope I can do this evening as I
dont want to be without hot water for long!

Has anyone else experiened anything like it or have an explanation for
me to reassure me that it is normal and when I fill the heating system
back up it will all be ok...

I couldnt go into more deatil on the system ins and outs as I havent
got a clue what type it is etc.. It is over 20 years old however, and
can be tempramental at times!

Tom

The boiler water is directed through either the hot water tank or the radiators
or both by either a single 3 way valve or two single valves, that is why you
have independant control but the primary circuit is common to both and therefore
you are trying to heat and pump an empty system - not a good idea !

Andy

[maxim naumov]

hi

I couple of things spring to mind:

- AFAIK, some water pumps don't like air so be careful.
- my boiler refuses to make DHW if the pressure in CH circuit is below 1
bar.

/max

[:Jerry:]

"Thomarse" wrote in message
ups.com...
Hi,

I drained my heating system last night so that I could move a
radiator
from one wall to another and to add some thermostatic valves to some
rads in the house.

Having drained the system I noticed a strange growling noize coming
from my airing cuboard when the boiler kicked in to heat the hot
water
(I had turned off the heating but left hot water o timed as usual)..

snip

I really can't decide if this is a well crafted troll or an example of
being an utter clueless plonker - my money is on the former,
especially with a user name that includes the word 'arse'...

[Thomarse]

On Jun 20, 4:40 pm, ":Jerry:" wrote:
"Thomarse" wrote in message

ups.com... Hi,

I drained my heating system last night so that I could move a
radiator
from one wall to another and to add some thermostatic valves to some
rads in the house.

Having drained the system I noticed a strange growling noize coming
from my airing cuboard when the boiler kicked in to heat the hot
water
(I had turned off the heating but left hot water o timed as usual)..

snip

I really can't decide if this is a well crafted troll or an example of
being an utter clueless plonker - my money is on the former,
especially with a user name that includes the word 'arse'...

Jerry.. I simply didnt know the answer to something so I asked to see
if someone else had the answer to put my mind at rest.. hence this
being a DIY forum where people who need answers ask people who might
have them... If you know it all Jerry maybe you shouldnt be on here in
the first place?

Thanks for the other advice, I will use my imersion until work is
complete

Tom

[ARWadsworth]

":Jerry:" wrote in message
reenews.net...

"Thomarse" wrote in message
ups.com...
Hi,

I drained my heating system last night so that I could move a radiator
from one wall to another and to add some thermostatic valves to some
rads in the house.

Having drained the system I noticed a strange growling noize coming
from my airing cuboard when the boiler kicked in to heat the hot water
(I had turned off the heating but left hot water o timed as usual)..

snip

I really can't decide if this is a well crafted troll or an example of
being an utter clueless plonker - my money is on the former, especially
with a user name that includes the word 'arse'...

No, I think a genuine poster who has posted before. I remember a Jo King on
another group was a real person not a joke.

Adam

[raden]

In message ews.net,
":Jerry:" writes

"Thomarse" wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi,

I drained my heating system last night so that I could move a
radiator
from one wall to another and to add some thermostatic valves to some
rads in the house.

Having drained the system I noticed a strange growling noize coming
from my airing cuboard when the boiler kicked in to heat the hot
water
(I had turned off the heating but left hot water o timed as usual)..

snip

I really can't decide if this is a well crafted troll or an example of
being an utter clueless plonker - my money is on the former,
especially with a user name that includes the word 'arse'...

HE has actually posted on a number of occasions in the past

--
geoff

[:Jerry:]

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message
ews.net,
":Jerry:" writes

snip

I really can't decide if this is a well crafted troll or an example
of
being an utter clueless plonker - my money is on the former,
especially with a user name that includes the word 'arse'...

HE has actually posted on a number of occasions in the past


Well, what can I say...

[Thomarse]

On Jun 20, 9:18 pm, ":Jerry:" wrote:
"raden" wrote in message

...

In message
ews.net,
":Jerry:" writes

snip

I really can't decide if this is a well crafted troll or an example
of
being an utter clueless plonker - my money is on the former,
especially with a user name that includes the word 'arse'...

HE has actually posted on a number of occasions in the past

Well, what can I say...

Not alot evidently....people with not alot worth saying tend to not
say alot

[:Jerry:]

"Thomarse" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Jun 20, 9:18 pm, ":Jerry:" wrote:
"raden" wrote in message

...

In message
ews.net,
":Jerry:" writes

snip

I really can't decide if this is a well crafted troll or an
example
of
being an utter clueless plonker - my money is on the former,
especially with a user name that includes the word 'arse'...

HE has actually posted on a number of occasions in the past

Well, what can I say...

Not alot evidently....people with not alot worth saying tend to not
say alot


Oh I *could* have said a lot (when I first read your message, a good
10 before I replied, I was well and truly ROFLMAO and incapable of
replying) but I thought I would be kind to you. Sorry but what sort of
cretin drains the water out of a boiler/system and then allows it to
fire up - did you not think it strange that there are not two heat
exchangers in your system, the one you've got (the DHW tank) and one
for the CH - how do you think the heat gets from the boiler to the
rads if it doesn't share the same water?!

Doing it yourself is all very well but it does help if one know
something about how the thing work first, hopefully you'll either not
work on truly safety critical things (like gas supplies or car braking
systems etc.) or will find out how they work before you jump in with
both feet...

[Thomarse]

On Jun 21, 9:16 am, ":Jerry:" wrote:
"Thomarse" wrote in message

ups.com...





On Jun 20, 9:18 pm, ":Jerry:" wrote:
"raden" wrote in message

...

In message
ews.net,
":Jerry:" writes

snip

I really can't decide if this is a well crafted troll or an
example
of
being an utter clueless plonker - my money is on the former,
especially with a user name that includes the word 'arse'...

HE has actually posted on a number of occasions in the past

Well, what can I say...

Not alot evidently....people with not alot worth saying tend to not
say alot

Oh I *could* have said a lot (when I first read your message, a good
10 before I replied, I was well and truly ROFLMAO and incapable of
replying) but I thought I would be kind to you. Sorry but what sort of
cretin drains the water out of a boiler/system and then allows it to
fire up - did you not think it strange that there are not two heat
exchangers in your system, the one you've got (the DHW tank) and one
for the CH - how do you think the heat gets from the boiler to the
rads if it doesn't share the same water?!

Doing it yourself is all very well but it does help if one know
something about how the thing work first, hopefully you'll either not
work on truly safety critical things (like gas supplies or car braking
systems etc.) or will find out how they work before you jump in with
both feet...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Jerry,

I do most jobs myslef around the house, including car repairs etc, but
that it needs explaining to somebody as small minded and up his own
backside as you!....

Perhaps my only mistake here was doing something before asking, but
the logic to me was that the hot water doesnt use the pump, which is
why I can use the imersion without worrying about running a pump on
empty... so if I had my controls set just to hot water to come on...
and the HEATING off, I assumed in my ignorance that the boiler would
heat the water, which would rise to the tank and then be used...
Obviously I was wrong, which was why I asked the question on here,
after realising my mistake...I dont claim to know jack sh*t about
heating systems, but I feel "safe" enough to do teh odd bit of
plumbing here and there...and for the rest I ask...

When doing things on a small budget with a toddler running around, its
not always easy to make the right decisions... But seeing as no damage
has been done and I got what I needed to know from people in the forum
who are a little bit more in the know than you..I'd say that your
comments are just a complete waste of time and obviously you like to
gripe at other peoples lack of knowledge in some areas..perhaps due to
a chip on your shoulder about your own lack of knowledge in other
areas..Perhaps heating is the only thing you know anything about, Who
knows.. pathetic though really...

If this forum was full of people who knew everything, that would kind
of defeat the object of it! I just hope for your sake that when you
require help or advice from someone that they dont treat you with the
same disregard you treated my request

maybe you should join the grumpy OLD men forum...

Anyway, I have better things to do than argue the toss with someone as
irrelevant as you.

[:Jerry:]

"Thomarse" wrote in message
oups.com...
snip

I do most jobs myslef around the house, including car repairs etc,
but
that it needs explaining to somebody as small minded and up his own
backside as you!....
snipped even more excusses

Sorry? I'm not the plank who drained my boiler of water and then fired
it up - stop digging, Thom Arse...

[Thomarse]

On Jun 21, 3:29 pm, ":Jerry:" wrote:
"Thomarse" wrote in message

oups.com...
snip

I do most jobs myslef around the house, including car repairs etc,
but
that it needs explaining to somebody as small minded and up his own
backside as you!....

snipped even more excusses

Sorry? I'm not the plank who drained my boiler ofwaterand then fired
it up - stop digging, Thom Arse...
At what point did I say I drained all the water from my boiler?

[:Jerry:]

"Thomarse" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Jun 21, 3:29 pm, ":Jerry:" wrote:
"Thomarse" wrote in message

oups.com...
snip

I do most jobs myslef around the house, including car repairs
etc,
but
that it needs explaining to somebody as small minded and up his
own
backside as you!....

snipped even more excusses

Sorry? I'm not the plank who drained my boiler ofwaterand then
fired
it up - stop digging, Thom Arse...
At what point did I say I drained all the water from my boiler?


"I drained my heating system last night so that I could move a
radiator
from one wall to another and to add some thermostatic valves to some
rads in the house. [cont']..."

Tell me, just how long before the water, that would have remained in
the boilers water jacket, started to turn to steam with no
circulation? As I said, stop digging Thom Arse...

[Thomarse]

On Jun 22, 9:35 am, ":Jerry:" wrote:
"Thomarse" wrote in message

ups.com...





On Jun 21, 3:29 pm, ":Jerry:" wrote:
"Thomarse" wrote in message

groups.com...
snip

I do most jobs myslef around the house, including car repairs
etc,
but
that it needs explaining to somebody as small minded and up his
own
backside as you!....

snipped even more excusses

Sorry? I'm not the plank who drained my boiler ofwaterand then
fired
it up - stop digging, Thom Arse...
At what point did I say I drained all the water from my boiler?

"I drained my heating system last night so that I could move a
radiator
from one wall to another and to add some thermostatic valves to some
rads in the house. [cont']..."

Tell me, just how long before the water, that would have remained in
the boilers water jacket, started to turn to steam with no
circulation? As I said, stop digging Thom Arse...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Im not digging... Im asking a questin as I dont understand, which is
what the definition of a discussion forum is!

Excuse em for being "thick".. leaving aside my qualifications and
professional reputation... I know now that I cant have the hot water
on with teh rads drained,, but in my thick little mind I still dont
understand why.. Maybe if you explained it to me in plain english and
used their knowledge to help me understand that my ignornace would be
cured!

My explanation or thought process is this... I drained teh water drom
my radiators.. using the bleed valve on the one downstairs in my
kitchen.. As far as I was concerned the heating water was a clsoed
system, being pumped around, and the reheated in the boiler as the
Coil (heat exchenge, whatever) passed through the hot water in the
boiler... the water from the hot water tap isnt the same as the rad
water as rad water contains fernox?...

So.. when I drained my rads... in my feeble little mind... water woudl
still be present in the boiler.. which would then heat as usual (on
hot water only) and rise to the tank.. where I coudl then turn on my
tap and use it... WHY (if you can spare the time to explain to me)
should the pump be running when I only have hot water on... and WHY
then if teh pum has to run,, can I get ho****er by using my imersion
heater...

I am eiteh rlooking at it too simplistically, or missing something
along the line (not a brain cell).....which is why I posted here in
the first place.. to get advice...

is my thinking not logical? It may be wrong, but it is logical?

Maybe you coudl use soem of your super intelligence to explain it to
me clearly Jerry? or am I over estimating your abilities here? after
all knowledge that cant be shared is wasted knowledge in my book

[:Jerry:]

"Thomarse" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Jun 22, 9:35 am, ":Jerry:" wrote:
"Thomarse" wrote in message

snip
At what point did I say I drained all the water from my boiler?

"I drained my heating system last night so that I could move a
radiator
from one wall to another and to add some thermostatic valves to
some
rads in the house. [cont']..."

Tell me, just how long before the water, that would have remained
in
the boilers water jacket, started to turn to steam with no
circulation? As I said, stop digging Thom Arse...- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

Im not digging... Im asking a questin as I dont understand, which is
what the definition of a discussion forum is!

Excuse em for being "thick".. leaving aside my qualifications and
professional reputation... I know now that I cant have the hot water
on with teh rads drained,, but in my thick little mind I still dont
understand why.. Maybe if you explained it to me in plain english
and
used their knowledge to help me understand that my ignornace would
be
cured!

So you have obviously not bothered looking at the replies that were
sent before my first reply, especially the one with the following URL;
http://content.honeywell.com/uk/homes/systems.htm)

If you had you will know the answer to the above...


My explanation or thought process is this... I drained teh water
drom
my radiators.. using the bleed valve on the one downstairs in my
kitchen.. As far as I was concerned the heating water was a clsoed
system, being pumped around, and the reheated in the boiler as the
Coil (heat exchenge, whatever) passed through the hot water in the
boiler... the water from the hot water tap isnt the same as the rad
water as rad water contains fernox?...

Indeed, but the hot water that heats the rads is the same water that
is heated DIRECTLY by the boiler, this same water is also used to heat
the DHW vie the coiled heat exchange tube that is immersed in the
water contained with the DHW tank that then flows from the hot tap. In
it's simplest form;
http://content.honeywell.com/uk/homes/Schemes/c.jpg


So.. when I drained my rads... in my feeble little mind... water
woudl
still be present in the boiler.. which would then heat as usual (on
hot water only) and rise to the tank.. where I coudl then turn on my
tap and use it... WHY (if you can spare the time to explain to me)
should the pump be running when I only have hot water on... and WHY
then if teh pum has to run,, can I get ho****er by using my imersion
heater...

Apart from the fact that you have drained the water out of the pipes
that flow through the boiler, a pump is needed to create a flow,
whilst some systems can work on the symphonic principle they are now
very rarely found.

[Thomarse]

On Jun 22, 1:23 pm, ":Jerry:" wrote:
"Thomarse" wrote in message

ups.com...





On Jun 22, 9:35 am, ":Jerry:" wrote:
"Thomarse" wrote in message

snip
At what point did I say I drained all the water from my boiler?

"I drained my heating system last night so that I could move a
radiator
from one wall to another and to add some thermostatic valves to
some
rads in the house. [cont']..."

Tell me, just how long before the water, that would have remained
in
the boilers water jacket, started to turn to steam with no
circulation? As I said, stop digging Thom Arse...- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

Im not digging... Im asking a questin as I dont understand, which is
what the definition of a discussion forum is!

Excuse em for being "thick".. leaving aside my qualifications and
professional reputation... I know now that I cant have the hot water
on with teh rads drained,, but in my thick little mind I still dont
understand why.. Maybe if you explained it to me in plain english
and
used their knowledge to help me understand that my ignornace would
be
cured!

So you have obviously not bothered looking at the replies that were
sent before my first reply, especially the one with the following URL;http://content.honeywell.com/uk/homes/systems.htm)

If you had you will know the answer to the above...



My explanation or thought process is this... I drained teh water
drom
my radiators.. using the bleed valve on the one downstairs in my
kitchen.. As far as I was concerned the heating water was a clsoed
system, being pumped around, and the reheated in the boiler as the
Coil (heat exchenge, whatever) passed through the hot water in the
boiler... the water from the hot water tap isnt the same as the rad
water as rad water contains fernox?...

Indeed, but the hot water that heats the rads is the same water that
is heated DIRECTLY by the boiler, this same water is also used to heat
the DHW vie the coiled heat exchange tube that is immersed in the
water contained with the DHW tank that then flows from the hot tap. In
it's simplest form;http://content.honeywell.com/uk/homes/Schemes/c.jpg



So.. when I drained my rads... in my feeble little mind... water
woudl
still be present in the boiler.. which would then heat as usual (on
hot water only) and rise to the tank.. where I coudl then turn on my
tap and use it... WHY (if you can spare the time to explain to me)
should the pump be running when I only have hot water on... and WHY
then if teh pum has to run,, can I get ho****er by using my imersion
heater...

Apart from the fact that you have drained the water out of the pipes
that flow through the boiler, a pump is needed to create a flow,
whilst some systems can work on the symphonic principle they are now
very rarely found.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I did look at the diagrams on the Honeywell site, but I cuoldnt really
make too much sense of them, having not much background knowledge on
the subject...

The penny has dropped now... so i congratulate you on explaining it in
a senssible, easy to understand manner!... So what made me a Troll was
basically that I had it round the wrong way., I thought that the water
in the boiler was the hot water that came out of the tap.. and the
water in the coil heat exchange was the radiator water.... if you look
at it that way round maybe you can see my logic!

I see now how it works and alas have learnt something!.... Troll or
not, a simple explanation in plain english is all it needs!

Tom

[Steve Firth]

Thomarse wrote:

I did look at the diagrams on the Honeywell site, but I cuoldnt really
make too much sense of them, having not much background knowledge on
the subject...

And yet knowing nothing about it, and without attempting to inform
yourself, you decided that you were competent to drain the system and to
determine that it was OK to run the boiler after draining the system.

shakes head

I suppose you run your car after draining the coolant on the grounds
that you need the heater to work.

[Thomarse]

On Jun 22, 2:12 pm, (Steve Firth) wrote:
Thomarse wrote:
I did look at the diagrams on the Honeywell site, but I cuoldnt really
make too much sense of them, having not much background knowledge on
the subject...

And yet knowing nothing about it, and without attempting to inform
yourself, you decided that you were competent to drain the system and to
determine that it was OK to run the boiler after draining the system.

shakes head

I suppose you run your car after draining the coolant on the grounds
that you need the heater to work.

Steve,

I think you'll find if you read above fully that I have had this
discussion with Jerry already, what you just said is just repeating
what has already been said... so bit pointless!

I accept it was a bit foolish of me, I drained the system and due to
mad todlers and other such things completely forgot that I had left
teh hot water timer on, so when it kicked in, the pump rubled away...
I turned it off straight away, realising my mistake, but on thinking
about it afterwards, coudlnt work out why, so I came on here to ask...

So on that, lock me up and throw away the key! A foolish man
condemmed!

Lol, Jerry and I have throashed this out, but at least jerry was the
first to make teh point and question my logic... you steve seem to
just be a parrot lol

[Steve Firth]

Thomarse wrote:

I think you'll find if you read above fully that I have had this
discussion with Jerry already,

Well not really, since Jerry was calling you a troll. I'm telling you
that you're a halfwit.

[Thomarse]

On Jun 22, 2:43 pm, (Steve Firth) wrote:
Thomarse wrote:
I think you'll find if you read above fully that I have had this
discussion with Jerry already,

Well not really, since Jerry was calling you a troll. I'm telling you
that you're a halfwit.

Well done steve, how original... Im glad you have the time to bother!
lmao

[Steve Firth]

Thomarse wrote:

On Jun 22, 2:43 pm, (Steve Firth) wrote:
Thomarse wrote:
I think you'll find if you read above fully that I have had this
discussion with Jerry already,

Well not really, since Jerry was calling you a troll. I'm telling you
that you're a halfwit.

Well done steve, how original... Im glad you have the time to bother!

You do seem to need things spelled out for you.

lmao

I take it you were the one to attach it, if it falls off that easily.

[Thomarse]

On Jun 22, 3:09 pm, (Steve Firth) wrote:
Thomarse wrote:
On Jun 22, 2:43 pm, (Steve Firth) wrote:
Thomarse wrote:
I think you'll find if you read above fully that I have had this
discussion with Jerry already,

Well not really, since Jerry was calling you a troll. I'm telling you
that you're a halfwit.

Well done steve, how original... Im glad you have the time to bother!

You do seem to need things spelled out for you.

lmao

I take it you were the one to attach it, if it falls off that easily.

and I supose you know everything about everything dont you steve..
like what exactly is a half wit?Do you even know?

[ARWadsworth]

"Thomarse" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Jun 22, 3:09 pm, (Steve Firth) wrote:
Thomarse wrote:
On Jun 22, 2:43 pm, (Steve Firth) wrote:
Thomarse wrote:
I think you'll find if you read above fully that I have had this
discussion with Jerry already,

Well not really, since Jerry was calling you a troll. I'm telling you
that you're a halfwit.

Well done steve, how original... Im glad you have the time to bother!

You do seem to need things spelled out for you.

lmao

I take it you were the one to attach it, if it falls off that easily.

and I supose you know everything about everything dont you steve..
like what exactly is a half wit?Do you even know?

I would suggest that you could be a little less aggressive in your posts.
Someone has take the time to help you even though you abused him as he
thought you were trolling. If I had not seen your posting name previously I
also would have thought you were taking the ****.

Nobody knows the answers to everything and everyone has to start somewhere.
This newsgroup runs very well without the wars. There are people who ask
such basic questions that you wonder how they ever managed to turn on their
computer and use the keyboard but are still helped by other readers on this
group(1).

Relax and remember you are not at war here.

You might need to ask more questions and people are more likely to help if
you are pleasant to them.

Adam

(1) I can install a full CH system and do the gas checks (partly due to info
and links from this group) but I had to post here for help in plumbing a
washer in.

[Thomarse]

On Jun 22, 8:26 pm, "ARWadsworth"
wrote:
"Thomarse" wrote in message

ups.com...



On Jun 22, 3:09 pm, (Steve Firth) wrote:
wrote:
On Jun 22, 2:43 pm, (Steve Firth) wrote:
wrote:
I think you'll find if you read above fully that I have had this
discussion with Jerry already,

Well not really, since Jerry was calling you a troll. I'm telling you
that you're a halfwit.

Well done steve, how original... Im glad you have the time to bother!

You do seem to need things spelled out for you.

lmao

I take it you were the one to attach it, if it falls off that easily.

and I supose you know everything about everything dont you steve..
like what exactly is a half wit?Do you even know?

I would suggest that you could be a little less aggressive in your posts.
Someone has take the time to help you even though you abused him as he
thought you were trolling. If I had not seen your posting name previously I
also would have thought you were taking the ****.

Nobody knows the answers to everything and everyone has to start somewhere.
This newsgroup runs very well without the wars. There are people who ask
such basic questions that you wonder how they ever managed to turn on their
computer and use the keyboard but are still helped by other readers on this
group(1).

Relax and remember you are not at war here.

You might need to ask more questions and people are more likely to help if
you are pleasant to them.

Adam

(1) I can install a full CH system and do the gas checks (partly due to info
and links from this group) but I had to post here for help in plumbing a
washer in.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I agree... But my tone only got "firm" when I was accused ofbeing
"thick" for asking a question... I have posted on this site many times
in the past and it has helped me no end with problems I have
encountered whilst renovation my house...However I dont appreciate
arrogant "know it alls" looking down their noses at those of us who
bother to ask a question...

Anyway, I will continue to post my queries and hopefully the more
reasonable people in this very useful group will continue to help