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On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 07:58:30 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote: on Wed, 21 Apr 2021 15:15:25 -0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following: I'd been saving scrap brass & copper "cause I know I can find a use for it sometime." Well, some time came, and I sold it for gas money. "Okay, that works." I heard a story of the guy who had one Jeep on a trailer behind his New Jeep. New Jeep engine seized, so he swapped jeeps and headed home. Gets in an accident, his jeep is totaled. Buys it back from the insurance company and parts it out. Files a claim for the engine (under warranty), gets a bigger engine installed. End of the month, he's got a bigger engine in New Jeep, he's parted out the old jeep and is ahead a thousand bucks. Sounds like a lot of work for $1K. Maybe it is. But you know how it goes, a thousand here, a thousand there, pretty soon you're talking real money. A day here and a day there, pretty soon you've taken your whole life. There's always more money to be had. Never more life. Of course "every body else" is doing it wrong. His money, his life, his junked Jeep. As long as he's not an active hazard to the community, what's it to ya? Opinion. It's a poor use of time. I doubt many consider the number of heartbeats they have left, in their economic decisions. ...or even the opportunity cost of doing such things. I would probably pay better to be a greeter at WallWorld. |
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On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 19:40:02 +0000, Spalted Walt
wrote: wrote: On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 13:59:07 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 wrote: It's OK, my daughter and her partner will just dig deeper into their pockets to buy basic supplies for their students. Then they can load the supplies into their cars and drive to school on the crappy roads that didn't get repaired because we all protested our assessments to lower our county taxes. It has nothing to do with supplies or anything else tangible. There is no interest in teaching kids anything. The purpose of "education" is to enrich unions (not teachers) and indoctrinate (not teach) children. Answer me this - why is civics no longer taught, when "Heather has Two Mommies" is? Or, how our mathematics scores are among the lowest in the western world, and getting worse. Speaking of "western world", why is that such an evil thing in education today. +1 Children are our future. Indoctrination has always been a vital element with every Communist revolution. By far the worst mistake this country has made yet was not guarding our children from the leftists agenda sooner. Facts are scary - to those who have such hard-felt "beliefs" - but facts matter ... Look at the 24 countries ranking better than good 'ol US of A and decide which of those are .. just a little bit more socialist .. https://factsmaps.com/pisa-2018-worl...ience-reading/ I'll never stand-and-defend the big-fat-cat public service unions but will not blame the teachers ! In my experience they are a very dedicated bunch. The good ones can often rank above the parents - for positive influence on the kids - and will be remembered for life by their grateful students. .. the few bad ones will also be well remembered .. and it wasn't the union that made them that way. John T. |
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On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 16:34:02 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 19:40:02 +0000, Spalted Walt wrote: wrote: On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 13:59:07 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 wrote: It's OK, my daughter and her partner will just dig deeper into their pockets to buy basic supplies for their students. Then they can load the supplies into their cars and drive to school on the crappy roads that didn't get repaired because we all protested our assessments to lower our county taxes. It has nothing to do with supplies or anything else tangible. There is no interest in teaching kids anything. The purpose of "education" is to enrich unions (not teachers) and indoctrinate (not teach) children. Answer me this - why is civics no longer taught, when "Heather has Two Mommies" is? Or, how our mathematics scores are among the lowest in the western world, and getting worse. Speaking of "western world", why is that such an evil thing in education today. +1 Children are our future. Indoctrination has always been a vital element with every Communist revolution. By far the worst mistake this country has made yet was not guarding our children from the leftists agenda sooner. Facts are scary - to those who have such hard-felt "beliefs" - but facts matter ... Look at the 24 countries ranking better than good 'ol US of A and decide which of those are .. just a little bit more socialist .. https://factsmaps.com/pisa-2018-worl...ience-reading/ I'll never stand-and-defend the big-fat-cat public service unions but will not blame the teachers ! In my experience they are a very dedicated bunch. The good ones can often rank above the parents - for positive influence on the kids - and will be remembered for life by their grateful students. .. the few bad ones will also be well remembered .. and it wasn't the union that made them that way. John T. The Nazis were very dedicated. Being dedicated is not enough--being dedicated in a direction that improves society is what is needed. Unfortunately the teachers are the products of colleges and universities and those colleges and universities are dominated by "professors" whose only real skill is professing and who have very little touch with the reality of life outside of academia. The unions need to go but more importantly the "professors" need a good hard dose of reality beaten into them. |
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On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 4:56:57 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 16:34:02 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 19:40:02 +0000, Spalted Walt wrote: wrote: On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 13:59:07 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 wrote: It's OK, my daughter and her partner will just dig deeper into their pockets to buy basic supplies for their students. Then they can load the supplies into their cars and drive to school on the crappy roads that didn't get repaired because we all protested our assessments to lower our county taxes. It has nothing to do with supplies or anything else tangible. There is no interest in teaching kids anything. The purpose of "education" is to enrich unions (not teachers) and indoctrinate (not teach) children. Answer me this - why is civics no longer taught, when "Heather has Two Mommies" is? Or, how our mathematics scores are among the lowest in the western world, and getting worse. Speaking of "western world", why is that such an evil thing in education today. +1 Children are our future. Indoctrination has always been a vital element with every Communist revolution. By far the worst mistake this country has made yet was not guarding our children from the leftists agenda sooner. Facts are scary - to those who have such hard-felt "beliefs" - but facts matter ... Look at the 24 countries ranking better than good 'ol US of A and decide which of those are .. just a little bit more socialist .. https://factsmaps.com/pisa-2018-worl...ience-reading/ I'll never stand-and-defend the big-fat-cat public service unions but will not blame the teachers ! In my experience they are a very dedicated bunch. The good ones can often rank above the parents - for positive influence on the kids - and will be remembered for life by their grateful students. .. the few bad ones will also be well remembered .. and it wasn't the union that made them that way. John T. The Nazis were very dedicated. Being dedicated is not enough--being dedicated in a direction that improves society is what is needed. Unfortunately the teachers are the products of colleges and universities and those colleges and universities are dominated by "professors" whose only real skill is professing and who have very little touch with the reality of life outside of academia. The unions need to go but more importantly the "professors" need a good hard dose of reality beaten into them. When you paint an entire group with one broad brush, you do a disservice to many, maybe even to the majority. I've got 2 daughters and 2 semi-daughters-in-law who all work in the educational arena. One has her Doctorate, the rest have Masters. One daughter has a Dual-Masters. All four are in different segments of the educational space and all 4 are making a difference. That "direction that improves society" type of difference. They all went to different universities. A total of 9 different universities. They are all making that positive difference because they all had professors that were dedicated to "improving society". The one with the PhD just accepted an Assistant Professor position at Purdue where she will be teaching and running a lab doing studies on certain health issues. She is dedicated to "improving society". Coincidence? Did these 4 women just happen to stumble into the only programs (across 9 universities) that were run by professors dedicated to "improving society" or is it possible that it's not as dire a situation as you believe? |
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On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 19:40:02 +0000, Spalted Walt wrote: wrote: On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 13:59:07 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 wrote: It's OK, my daughter and her partner will just dig deeper into their pockets to buy basic supplies for their students. Then they can load the supplies into their cars and drive to school on the crappy roads that didn't get repaired because we all protested our assessments to lower our county taxes. It has nothing to do with supplies or anything else tangible. There is no interest in teaching kids anything. The purpose of "education" is to enrich unions (not teachers) and indoctrinate (not teach) children. Answer me this - why is civics no longer taught, when "Heather has Two Mommies" is? Or, how our mathematics scores are among the lowest in the western world, and getting worse. Speaking of "western world", why is that such an evil thing in education today. +1 Children are our future. Indoctrination has always been a vital element with every Communist revolution. By far the worst mistake this country has made yet was not guarding our children from the leftists agenda sooner. Facts are scary - to those who have such hard-felt "beliefs" - but facts matter ... Look at the 24 countries ranking better than good 'ol US of A and decide which of those are .. just a little bit more socialist .. https://factsmaps.com/pisa-2018-worl...ience-reading/ So, if the "good 'ol USA" was "just a little bit more socialist" we too, could climb up the list... OK. Got it. Except, back in the '60s, I'm pretty sure the "good 'ol USA" was near the top of the 'list' (certainly in the top 5), yet we were inarguably far less "socialist" than we are now. So yea, John "facts matter". |
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DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 4:56:57 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote: On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 16:34:02 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 19:40:02 +0000, Spalted Walt wrote: wrote: On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 13:59:07 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 wrote: It's OK, my daughter and her partner will just dig deeper into their pockets to buy basic supplies for their students. Then they can load the supplies into their cars and drive to school on the crappy roads that didn't get repaired because we all protested our assessments to lower our county taxes. It has nothing to do with supplies or anything else tangible. There is no interest in teaching kids anything. The purpose of "education" is to enrich unions (not teachers) and indoctrinate (not teach) children. Answer me this - why is civics no longer taught, when "Heather has Two Mommies" is? Or, how our mathematics scores are among the lowest in the western world, and getting worse. Speaking of "western world", why is that such an evil thing in education today. +1 Children are our future. Indoctrination has always been a vital element with every Communist revolution. By far the worst mistake this country has made yet was not guarding our children from the leftists agenda sooner. Facts are scary - to those who have such hard-felt "beliefs" - but facts matter ... Look at the 24 countries ranking better than good 'ol US of A and decide which of those are .. just a little bit more socialist .. https://factsmaps.com/pisa-2018-worl...ience-reading/ I'll never stand-and-defend the big-fat-cat public service unions but will not blame the teachers ! In my experience they are a very dedicated bunch. The good ones can often rank above the parents - for positive influence on the kids - and will be remembered for life by their grateful students. .. the few bad ones will also be well remembered .. and it wasn't the union that made them that way. John T. The Nazis were very dedicated. Being dedicated is not enough--being dedicated in a direction that improves society is what is needed. Unfortunately the teachers are the products of colleges and universities and those colleges and universities are dominated by "professors" whose only real skill is professing and who have very little touch with the reality of life outside of academia. The unions need to go but more importantly the "professors" need a good hard dose of reality beaten into them. When you paint an entire group with one broad brush, you do a disservice to many, maybe even to the majority. I've got 2 daughters and 2 semi-daughters-in-law who all work in the educational arena. One has her Doctorate, the rest have Masters. One daughter has a Dual-Masters. All four are in different segments of the educational space and all 4 are making a difference. That "direction that improves society" type of difference. They all went to different universities. A total of 9 different universities. They are all making that positive difference because they all had professors that were dedicated to "improving society". The one with the PhD just accepted an Assistant Professor position at Purdue where she will be teaching and running a lab doing studies on certain health issues. She is dedicated to "improving society". Coincidence? Did these 4 women just happen to stumble into the only programs (across 9 universities) that were run by professors dedicated to "improving society" or is it possible that it's not as dire a situation as you believe? Paul Rossi, the former math teacher at Grace Church High School: https://pdst.fm/e/chtbl.com/track/384D27/traffic.megaphone.fm/MKA9554446066.mp3 |
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On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 18:17:22 +0000, Spalted Walt
wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 19:40:02 +0000, Spalted Walt wrote: wrote: On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 13:59:07 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 wrote: It's OK, my daughter and her partner will just dig deeper into their pockets to buy basic supplies for their students. Then they can load the supplies into their cars and drive to school on the crappy roads that didn't get repaired because we all protested our assessments to lower our county taxes. It has nothing to do with supplies or anything else tangible. There is no interest in teaching kids anything. The purpose of "education" is to enrich unions (not teachers) and indoctrinate (not teach) children. Answer me this - why is civics no longer taught, when "Heather has Two Mommies" is? Or, how our mathematics scores are among the lowest in the western world, and getting worse. Speaking of "western world", why is that such an evil thing in education today. +1 Children are our future. Indoctrination has always been a vital element with every Communist revolution. By far the worst mistake this country has made yet was not guarding our children from the leftists agenda sooner. Facts are scary - to those who have such hard-felt "beliefs" - but facts matter ... Look at the 24 countries ranking better than good 'ol US of A and decide which of those are .. just a little bit more socialist .. https://factsmaps.com/pisa-2018-worl...ience-reading/ So, if the "good 'ol USA" was "just a little bit more socialist" we too, could climb up the list... OK. Got it. Except, back in the '60s, I'm pretty sure the "good 'ol USA" was near the top of the 'list' (certainly in the top 5), yet we were inarguably far less "socialist" than we are now. So yea, John "facts matter". You're using beliefs and opinions again .. Without going back 60 years, I also suspect that the USA is trending downward - but I'll stop short of blaming the teachers or their unions for everything that is wrong with the system. John T. |
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On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 18:26:46 +0000, Spalted Walt
wrote: DerbyDad03 wrote: On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 4:56:57 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote: On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 16:34:02 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 19:40:02 +0000, Spalted Walt wrote: wrote: On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 13:59:07 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 wrote: It's OK, my daughter and her partner will just dig deeper into their pockets to buy basic supplies for their students. Then they can load the supplies into their cars and drive to school on the crappy roads that didn't get repaired because we all protested our assessments to lower our county taxes. It has nothing to do with supplies or anything else tangible. There is no interest in teaching kids anything. The purpose of "education" is to enrich unions (not teachers) and indoctrinate (not teach) children. Answer me this - why is civics no longer taught, when "Heather has Two Mommies" is? Or, how our mathematics scores are among the lowest in the western world, and getting worse. Speaking of "western world", why is that such an evil thing in education today. +1 Children are our future. Indoctrination has always been a vital element with every Communist revolution. By far the worst mistake this country has made yet was not guarding our children from the leftists agenda sooner. Facts are scary - to those who have such hard-felt "beliefs" - but facts matter ... Look at the 24 countries ranking better than good 'ol US of A and decide which of those are .. just a little bit more socialist .. https://factsmaps.com/pisa-2018-worl...ience-reading/ I'll never stand-and-defend the big-fat-cat public service unions but will not blame the teachers ! In my experience they are a very dedicated bunch. The good ones can often rank above the parents - for positive influence on the kids - and will be remembered for life by their grateful students. .. the few bad ones will also be well remembered .. and it wasn't the union that made them that way. John T. The Nazis were very dedicated. Being dedicated is not enough--being dedicated in a direction that improves society is what is needed. Unfortunately the teachers are the products of colleges and universities and those colleges and universities are dominated by "professors" whose only real skill is professing and who have very little touch with the reality of life outside of academia. The unions need to go but more importantly the "professors" need a good hard dose of reality beaten into them. When you paint an entire group with one broad brush, you do a disservice to many, maybe even to the majority. I've got 2 daughters and 2 semi-daughters-in-law who all work in the educational arena. One has her Doctorate, the rest have Masters. One daughter has a Dual-Masters. All four are in different segments of the educational space and all 4 are making a difference. That "direction that improves society" type of difference. They all went to different universities. A total of 9 different universities. They are all making that positive difference because they all had professors that were dedicated to "improving society". The one with the PhD just accepted an Assistant Professor position at Purdue where she will be teaching and running a lab doing studies on certain health issues. She is dedicated to "improving society". Coincidence? Did these 4 women just happen to stumble into the only programs (across 9 universities) that were run by professors dedicated to "improving society" or is it possible that it's not as dire a situation as you believe? Paul Rossi, the former math teacher at Grace Church High School: https://pdst.fm/e/chtbl.com/track/384D27/traffic.megaphone.fm/MKA9554446066.mp3 Are they actually improving society or are they doing things that professors with no experience of the real world _think_ will improve society? Participating in feel-good programs is not improving society. And medicine is in a different category for most academia in that it still requires an apprenticeship. |
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On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 14:42:15 -0400, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 18:17:22 +0000, Spalted Walt wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 19:40:02 +0000, Spalted Walt wrote: wrote: On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 13:59:07 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 wrote: It's OK, my daughter and her partner will just dig deeper into their pockets to buy basic supplies for their students. Then they can load the supplies into their cars and drive to school on the crappy roads that didn't get repaired because we all protested our assessments to lower our county taxes. It has nothing to do with supplies or anything else tangible. There is no interest in teaching kids anything. The purpose of "education" is to enrich unions (not teachers) and indoctrinate (not teach) children. Answer me this - why is civics no longer taught, when "Heather has Two Mommies" is? Or, how our mathematics scores are among the lowest in the western world, and getting worse. Speaking of "western world", why is that such an evil thing in education today. +1 Children are our future. Indoctrination has always been a vital element with every Communist revolution. By far the worst mistake this country has made yet was not guarding our children from the leftists agenda sooner. Facts are scary - to those who have such hard-felt "beliefs" - but facts matter ... Look at the 24 countries ranking better than good 'ol US of A and decide which of those are .. just a little bit more socialist .. https://factsmaps.com/pisa-2018-worl...ience-reading/ So, if the "good 'ol USA" was "just a little bit more socialist" we too, could climb up the list... OK. Got it. Except, back in the '60s, I'm pretty sure the "good 'ol USA" was near the top of the 'list' (certainly in the top 5), yet we were inarguably far less "socialist" than we are now. So yea, John "facts matter". You're using beliefs and opinions again .. Without going back 60 years, I also suspect that the USA is trending downward - but I'll stop short of blaming the teachers or their unions for everything that is wrong with the system. John T. Between 1900 and 1975 the US managed to invent and bring into production the airplane, nuclear power, computers, and the capability to land on the Moon. It also turned the automobile from a toy for the elite to transportation for everyman, put a TV in nearly every house, and made food available at reasonable prices in bewildering variety, started rolling out cell phones, and invented the microprocessor. Oh, and incidentally defeated the Nazis and the Japanese at more or less the same time. This was all done by the products of an education system that was according to the professors badly broken and needed to be fixed with massive influxes of Federal money. So the Federal money started in 1958--the first products of this new and improved education system would have graduated around 1970. So what have they done for us? They expanded the cell netork, finished Arpanet, and continued development of the microprocessor, and produced bigger and better games. Oh, and they have managed to drag the world back kicking and screaming to the days when a computer was something that you paid by the hour to use. There is some light but one wonders why it took somebody from South Africa to turn it on. |
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On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 18:26:46 +0000, Spalted Walt
wrote: DerbyDad03 wrote: On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 4:56:57 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote: On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 16:34:02 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 19:40:02 +0000, Spalted Walt wrote: wrote: On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 13:59:07 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 wrote: It's OK, my daughter and her partner will just dig deeper into their pockets to buy basic supplies for their students. Then they can load the supplies into their cars and drive to school on the crappy roads that didn't get repaired because we all protested our assessments to lower our county taxes. It has nothing to do with supplies or anything else tangible. There is no interest in teaching kids anything. The purpose of "education" is to enrich unions (not teachers) and indoctrinate (not teach) children. Answer me this - why is civics no longer taught, when "Heather has Two Mommies" is? Or, how our mathematics scores are among the lowest in the western world, and getting worse. Speaking of "western world", why is that such an evil thing in education today. +1 Children are our future. Indoctrination has always been a vital element with every Communist revolution. By far the worst mistake this country has made yet was not guarding our children from the leftists agenda sooner. Facts are scary - to those who have such hard-felt "beliefs" - but facts matter ... Look at the 24 countries ranking better than good 'ol US of A and decide which of those are .. just a little bit more socialist .. https://factsmaps.com/pisa-2018-worl...ience-reading/ I'll never stand-and-defend the big-fat-cat public service unions but will not blame the teachers ! In my experience they are a very dedicated bunch. The good ones can often rank above the parents - for positive influence on the kids - and will be remembered for life by their grateful students. .. the few bad ones will also be well remembered .. and it wasn't the union that made them that way. John T. The Nazis were very dedicated. Being dedicated is not enough--being dedicated in a direction that improves society is what is needed. Unfortunately the teachers are the products of colleges and universities and those colleges and universities are dominated by "professors" whose only real skill is professing and who have very little touch with the reality of life outside of academia. The unions need to go but more importantly the "professors" need a good hard dose of reality beaten into them. When you paint an entire group with one broad brush, you do a disservice to many, maybe even to the majority. I've got 2 daughters and 2 semi-daughters-in-law who all work in the educational arena. One has her Doctorate, the rest have Masters. One daughter has a Dual-Masters. All four are in different segments of the educational space and all 4 are making a difference. That "direction that improves society" type of difference. They all went to different universities. A total of 9 different universities. They are all making that positive difference because they all had professors that were dedicated to "improving society". The one with the PhD just accepted an Assistant Professor position at Purdue where she will be teaching and running a lab doing studies on certain health issues. She is dedicated to "improving society". Coincidence? Did these 4 women just happen to stumble into the only programs (across 9 universities) that were run by professors dedicated to "improving society" or is it possible that it's not as dire a situation as you believe? Paul Rossi, the former math teacher at Grace Church High School: https://pdst.fm/e/chtbl.com/track/384D27/traffic.megaphone.fm/MKA9554446066.mp3 I get nothing but the progress bar. |
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On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 18:17:22 +0000, Spalted Walt wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 19:40:02 +0000, Spalted Walt wrote: wrote: On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 13:59:07 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 wrote: It's OK, my daughter and her partner will just dig deeper into their pockets to buy basic supplies for their students. Then they can load the supplies into their cars and drive to school on the crappy roads that didn't get repaired because we all protested our assessments to lower our county taxes. It has nothing to do with supplies or anything else tangible. There is no interest in teaching kids anything. The purpose of "education" is to enrich unions (not teachers) and indoctrinate (not teach) children. Answer me this - why is civics no longer taught, when "Heather has Two Mommies" is? Or, how our mathematics scores are among the lowest in the western world, and getting worse. Speaking of "western world", why is that such an evil thing in education today. +1 Children are our future. Indoctrination has always been a vital element with every Communist revolution. By far the worst mistake this country has made yet was not guarding our children from the leftists agenda sooner. Facts are scary - to those who have such hard-felt "beliefs" - but facts matter ... Look at the 24 countries ranking better than good 'ol US of A and decide which of those are .. just a little bit more socialist .. https://factsmaps.com/pisa-2018-worl...ience-reading/ So, if the "good 'ol USA" was "just a little bit more socialist" we too, could climb up the list... OK. Got it. Except, back in the '60s, I'm pretty sure the "good 'ol USA" was near the top of the 'list' (certainly in the top 5), yet we were inarguably far less "socialist" than we are now. So yea, John "facts matter". You're using beliefs and opinions again .. Without going back 60 years, I also suspect that the USA is trending downward - but I'll stop short of blaming the teachers or their unions for everything that is wrong with the system. Sixty years ago *we* were trending downward into socialism. Teachers were already indoctrinated, particularly in the humanities and "soft sciences" (anything with "science" in it's title, isn't). I was there. As he said, facts matter. |
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On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 17:07:12 -0400, J. Clarke
wrote: On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 14:42:15 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 18:17:22 +0000, Spalted Walt wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 19:40:02 +0000, Spalted Walt wrote: wrote: On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 13:59:07 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 wrote: It's OK, my daughter and her partner will just dig deeper into their pockets to buy basic supplies for their students. Then they can load the supplies into their cars and drive to school on the crappy roads that didn't get repaired because we all protested our assessments to lower our county taxes. It has nothing to do with supplies or anything else tangible. There is no interest in teaching kids anything. The purpose of "education" is to enrich unions (not teachers) and indoctrinate (not teach) children. Answer me this - why is civics no longer taught, when "Heather has Two Mommies" is? Or, how our mathematics scores are among the lowest in the western world, and getting worse. Speaking of "western world", why is that such an evil thing in education today. +1 Children are our future. Indoctrination has always been a vital element with every Communist revolution. By far the worst mistake this country has made yet was not guarding our children from the leftists agenda sooner. Facts are scary - to those who have such hard-felt "beliefs" - but facts matter ... Look at the 24 countries ranking better than good 'ol US of A and decide which of those are .. just a little bit more socialist .. https://factsmaps.com/pisa-2018-worl...ience-reading/ So, if the "good 'ol USA" was "just a little bit more socialist" we too, could climb up the list... OK. Got it. Except, back in the '60s, I'm pretty sure the "good 'ol USA" was near the top of the 'list' (certainly in the top 5), yet we were inarguably far less "socialist" than we are now. So yea, John "facts matter". You're using beliefs and opinions again .. Without going back 60 years, I also suspect that the USA is trending downward - but I'll stop short of blaming the teachers or their unions for everything that is wrong with the system. John T. Between 1900 and 1975 the US managed to invent and bring into production the airplane, nuclear power, computers, and the capability to land on the Moon. With the people born in the '30 and '40s. The millenials live in mommy's basement and play X-Box. We were talking about 60 the last 60 years. It also turned the automobile from a toy for the elite to transportation for everyman, put a TV in nearly every house, and made food available at reasonable prices in bewildering variety, started rolling out cell phones, and invented the microprocessor. Oh, and incidentally defeated the Nazis and the Japanese at more or less the same time. Designed by people schooled in the 60s and 70s. Engineering types. Not Black-Female-Trans-middle-ages-English majors. All that crept into STEM. In fact, it's now called "STEAM" to deprecate the sciences. This was all done by the products of an education system that was according to the professors badly broken and needed to be fixed with massive influxes of Federal money. So the Federal money started in 1958--the first products of this new and improved education system would have graduated around 1970. So what have they done for us? They expanded the cell netork, finished Arpanet, and continued development of the microprocessor, and produced bigger and better games. Oh, and they have managed to drag the world back kicking and screaming to the days when a computer was something that you paid by the hour to use. Perhaps '70s but, again, it filtered from the liberal schools into the sciences about then. I was at the beginning ('70-'74) of that nonsense in the Engineering curriculum. It's now complete. There is some light but one wonders why it took somebody from South Africa to turn it on. Huh? |
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On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 09:52:14 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 4/25/2021 8:42 PM, wrote: On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 17:07:12 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: Snip Between 1900 and 1975 the US managed to invent and bring into production the airplane, nuclear power, computers, and the capability to land on the Moon. With the people born in the '30 and '40s. The millenials live in mommy's basement and play X-Box. We were talking about 60 the last 60 years. Well in all fairness, vehicles built in the US were pieces of crap from 72~2000. Progressively getting better year by year. Emission systems that hardly worked and wasted fuel was not healthier for the earth. Seems this is when the Japanese entered our market and pretty much showed us how a vehicle should be built. Glad you only went back to 1972 ! 1971 MotorTrend's Car Of The Year Chevy Vega ... :-) John T. |
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On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 12:01:38 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 09:52:14 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 4/25/2021 8:42 PM, wrote: On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 17:07:12 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: Snip Between 1900 and 1975 the US managed to invent and bring into production the airplane, nuclear power, computers, and the capability to land on the Moon. With the people born in the '30 and '40s. The millenials live in mommy's basement and play X-Box. We were talking about 60 the last 60 years. Well in all fairness, vehicles built in the US were pieces of crap from 72~2000. Progressively getting better year by year. Emission systems that hardly worked and wasted fuel was not healthier for the earth. Seems this is when the Japanese entered our market and pretty much showed us how a vehicle should be built. Glad you only went back to 1972 ! 1971 MotorTrend's Car Of The Year Chevy Vega ... :-) Which was actually a pretty nice car until it rusted away. My Dad had one--he really enjoyed driving it. |
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On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 13:50:36 -0400, J. Clarke
wrote: On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 12:01:38 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 09:52:14 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 4/25/2021 8:42 PM, wrote: On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 17:07:12 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: Snip Between 1900 and 1975 the US managed to invent and bring into production the airplane, nuclear power, computers, and the capability to land on the Moon. With the people born in the '30 and '40s. The millenials live in mommy's basement and play X-Box. We were talking about 60 the last 60 years. Well in all fairness, vehicles built in the US were pieces of crap from 72~2000. Progressively getting better year by year. Emission systems that hardly worked and wasted fuel was not healthier for the earth. Seems this is when the Japanese entered our market and pretty much showed us how a vehicle should be built. Glad you only went back to 1972 ! 1971 MotorTrend's Car Of The Year Chevy Vega ... :-) Which was actually a pretty nice car until it rusted away. My Dad had one--he really enjoyed driving it. I had one as a teenager - my second car - it was ~ 4 years old & I paid $ 450. for it - I needed wheels fast for a job transfer - - the rust-repairs were already failing badly ; it burned oil ; noisy ; no trunk space ; uncomfortable seats ; terrible rear wheel drive traction ; etc I can't think of a single plus that I could grant it. One winter morning, I was spinning on a patch of snow in the parking lot when a nice guy offered a push - he put one hand on the drivers door handle and his other hand grabbed the rear fender well - and gave a good heave-ho - he apologized as he stood there with a good chunk of fender in his hand - I thanked him for the help and said don't worry about it .. you can keep that .. :-) true story. Drove it about 2 years and gladly scrapped it. Car-Of-The-Year ! yeah right. John T. |
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On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 14:25:19 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 13:50:36 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 12:01:38 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 09:52:14 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 4/25/2021 8:42 PM, wrote: On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 17:07:12 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: Snip Between 1900 and 1975 the US managed to invent and bring into production the airplane, nuclear power, computers, and the capability to land on the Moon. With the people born in the '30 and '40s. The millenials live in mommy's basement and play X-Box. We were talking about 60 the last 60 years. Well in all fairness, vehicles built in the US were pieces of crap from 72~2000. Progressively getting better year by year. Emission systems that hardly worked and wasted fuel was not healthier for the earth. Seems this is when the Japanese entered our market and pretty much showed us how a vehicle should be built. Glad you only went back to 1972 ! 1971 MotorTrend's Car Of The Year Chevy Vega ... :-) Which was actually a pretty nice car until it rusted away. My Dad had one--he really enjoyed driving it. I had one as a teenager - my second car - it was ~ 4 years old & I paid $ 450. for it - I needed wheels fast for a job transfer - - the rust-repairs were already failing badly ; it burned oil ; noisy ; no trunk space ; uncomfortable seats ; terrible rear wheel drive traction ; etc I can't think of a single plus that I could grant it. One winter morning, I was spinning on a patch of snow in the parking lot when a nice guy offered a push - he put one hand on the drivers door handle and his other hand grabbed the rear fender well - and gave a good heave-ho - he apologized as he stood there with a good chunk of fender in his hand - I thanked him for the help and said don't worry about it .. you can keep that .. :-) true story. Drove it about 2 years and gladly scrapped it. Car-Of-The-Year ! yeah right. John T. I suspect one of the reasons my Dad liked it was that we lived in Florida where winter traction wasn't an issue. |
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On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 09:52:14 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 4/25/2021 8:42 PM, wrote: On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 17:07:12 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: Snip Between 1900 and 1975 the US managed to invent and bring into production the airplane, nuclear power, computers, and the capability to land on the Moon. With the people born in the '30 and '40s. The millenials live in mommy's basement and play X-Box. We were talking about 60 the last 60 years. Well in all fairness, vehicles built in the US were pieces of crap from 72~2000. Progressively getting better year by year. Emission systems that hardly worked and wasted fuel was not healthier for the earth. And millenials had exactly what to do with that? Seems this is when the Japanese entered our market and pretty much showed us how a vehicle should be built. After our parents showed them how to do it. |
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On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 12:01:38 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 09:52:14 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 4/25/2021 8:42 PM, wrote: On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 17:07:12 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: Snip Between 1900 and 1975 the US managed to invent and bring into production the airplane, nuclear power, computers, and the capability to land on the Moon. With the people born in the '30 and '40s. The millenials live in mommy's basement and play X-Box. We were talking about 60 the last 60 years. Well in all fairness, vehicles built in the US were pieces of crap from 72~2000. Progressively getting better year by year. Emission systems that hardly worked and wasted fuel was not healthier for the earth. Seems this is when the Japanese entered our market and pretty much showed us how a vehicle should be built. Glad you only went back to 1972 ! 1971 MotorTrend's Car Of The Year Chevy Vega ... :-) John T. The Monza was the Car of the Year for 1975. It was just a dressed up Vega. I had a '70 AMC Gremlin. That really should have been Car of the year. They made more money on parts than the car. It _had_ to be profitable. I got rid of that four years later for a Mustang II, which was just a Pinto in drag. I could really pick 'em. |
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On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 14:25:19 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 13:50:36 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 12:01:38 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 09:52:14 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 4/25/2021 8:42 PM, wrote: On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 17:07:12 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: Snip Between 1900 and 1975 the US managed to invent and bring into production the airplane, nuclear power, computers, and the capability to land on the Moon. With the people born in the '30 and '40s. The millenials live in mommy's basement and play X-Box. We were talking about 60 the last 60 years. Well in all fairness, vehicles built in the US were pieces of crap from 72~2000. Progressively getting better year by year. Emission systems that hardly worked and wasted fuel was not healthier for the earth. Seems this is when the Japanese entered our market and pretty much showed us how a vehicle should be built. Glad you only went back to 1972 ! 1971 MotorTrend's Car Of The Year Chevy Vega ... :-) Which was actually a pretty nice car until it rusted away. My Dad had one--he really enjoyed driving it. I had one as a teenager - my second car - it was ~ 4 years old & I paid $ 450. for it - I needed wheels fast for a job transfer - - the rust-repairs were already failing badly ; it burned oil ; noisy ; no trunk space ; uncomfortable seats ; terrible rear wheel drive traction ; etc I can't think of a single plus that I could grant it. $450 One winter morning, I was spinning on a patch of snow in the parking lot when a nice guy offered a push - he put one hand on the drivers door handle and his other hand grabbed the rear fender well - and gave a good heave-ho - he apologized as he stood there with a good chunk of fender in his hand - I thanked him for the help and said don't worry about it .. you can keep that .. :-) true story. Drove it about 2 years and gladly scrapped it. Car-Of-The-Year ! yeah right. I only had my Mustang II for three years until the body rotted out so badly it couldn't be driven. |
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On 4/26/2021 12:50 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 12:01:38 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 09:52:14 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 4/25/2021 8:42 PM, wrote: On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 17:07:12 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: Snip Between 1900 and 1975 the US managed to invent and bring into production the airplane, nuclear power, computers, and the capability to land on the Moon. With the people born in the '30 and '40s. The millenials live in mommy's basement and play X-Box. We were talking about 60 the last 60 years. Well in all fairness, vehicles built in the US were pieces of crap from 72~2000. Progressively getting better year by year. Emission systems that hardly worked and wasted fuel was not healthier for the earth. Seems this is when the Japanese entered our market and pretty much showed us how a vehicle should be built. Glad you only went back to 1972 ! 1971 MotorTrend's Car Of The Year Chevy Vega ... :-) Which was actually a pretty nice car until it rusted away. My Dad had one--he really enjoyed driving it. I had one, a 72 GT. I lived 3 miles from the coast and never had rust in 3 years. Unfortunately the engines were a POC. The basic design was decent though. In 1975 the basic same car with an updated body and V6 and V8 engines were introduced as the Olds Starfire, Chev Monza, Buick Skyhawk, and Pontiac Sunbird?, something or another. |
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On 4/26/2021 7:53 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 14:25:19 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 13:50:36 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 12:01:38 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 09:52:14 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 4/25/2021 8:42 PM, wrote: On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 17:07:12 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: Snip Between 1900 and 1975 the US managed to invent and bring into production the airplane, nuclear power, computers, and the capability to land on the Moon. With the people born in the '30 and '40s. The millenials live in mommy's basement and play X-Box. We were talking about 60 the last 60 years. Well in all fairness, vehicles built in the US were pieces of crap from 72~2000. Progressively getting better year by year. Emission systems that hardly worked and wasted fuel was not healthier for the earth. Seems this is when the Japanese entered our market and pretty much showed us how a vehicle should be built. Glad you only went back to 1972 ! 1971 MotorTrend's Car Of The Year Chevy Vega ... :-) Which was actually a pretty nice car until it rusted away. My Dad had one--he really enjoyed driving it. I had one as a teenager - my second car - it was ~ 4 years old & I paid $ 450. for it - I needed wheels fast for a job transfer - - the rust-repairs were already failing badly ; it burned oil ; noisy ; no trunk space ; uncomfortable seats ; terrible rear wheel drive traction ; etc I can't think of a single plus that I could grant it. $450 One winter morning, I was spinning on a patch of snow in the parking lot when a nice guy offered a push - he put one hand on the drivers door handle and his other hand grabbed the rear fender well - and gave a good heave-ho - he apologized as he stood there with a good chunk of fender in his hand - I thanked him for the help and said don't worry about it .. you can keep that .. :-) true story. Drove it about 2 years and gladly scrapped it. Car-Of-The-Year ! yeah right. I only had my Mustang II for three years until the body rotted out so badly it couldn't be driven. Ford liked to dress up other model cars and call them the Mustang. When they turned the Pinto into a Mustang it was a bad move. |
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On 4/26/2021 7:40 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 09:52:14 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 4/25/2021 8:42 PM, wrote: On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 17:07:12 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: Snip Between 1900 and 1975 the US managed to invent and bring into production the airplane, nuclear power, computers, and the capability to land on the Moon. With the people born in the '30 and '40s. The millenials live in mommy's basement and play X-Box. We were talking about 60 the last 60 years. Well in all fairness, vehicles built in the US were pieces of crap from 72~2000. Progressively getting better year by year. Emission systems that hardly worked and wasted fuel was not healthier for the earth. And millenials had exactly what to do with that? Nothing but before the millenials many things were poorly designed. Seems this is when the Japanese entered our market and pretty much showed us how a vehicle should be built. After our parents showed them how to do it. Well at least they learned, out parents failed with many of us. |
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 11:11:15 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 4/26/2021 7:40 PM, wrote: On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 09:52:14 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 4/25/2021 8:42 PM, wrote: On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 17:07:12 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: Snip Between 1900 and 1975 the US managed to invent and bring into production the airplane, nuclear power, computers, and the capability to land on the Moon. With the people born in the '30 and '40s. The millenials live in mommy's basement and play X-Box. We were talking about 60 the last 60 years. Well in all fairness, vehicles built in the US were pieces of crap from 72~2000. Progressively getting better year by year. Emission systems that hardly worked and wasted fuel was not healthier for the earth. And millenials had exactly what to do with that? Nothing but before the millenials many things were poorly designed. "Nothing" is the point. ...and never will, as a group. Sure there are exceptions but living in mommy's basement doesn't make a serious person. Seems this is when the Japanese entered our market and pretty much showed us how a vehicle should be built. After our parents showed them how to do it. Well at least they learned, out parents failed with many of us. True that. And it's taken a nose dive in the last 20 years. |
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On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 9:20:46 PM UTC-4, wrote:
I had a '70 AMC Gremlin. That really should have been Car of the year. They made more money on parts than the car. It _had_ to be profitable. I had a couple friends with AMC cars - they seemed to have the weirdest things break - a Gremlin was the only case that I have ever heard of a seat breaking - drivers seat-back - the car wasn't abused and no extra-large drivers. I had a 1966 Rambler Ambassador 990. Weird thing to have break: The vacuum booster pump that was mounted to the top of the fuel pump, causing the windshield wipers to stop working. I solved the issue by pulling the hoses off both sides of the pump and connecting them to each other. It worked great as long as you didn't mind the wipers stopping mid-wipe when you accelerated, like you might do while getting on a highway. :-O The same thing happened to my buddy's AMC Javelin while we were driving from Cleveland to NJ in a 40° rain storm. In that case the wipers failed in the up position, but would come back down if we turned them off via the slide control. Off brought them down, On sent them up - until the cable inside the dashboard broke. That's when we tied a wire to the wiper arm itself so the passenger could pull them down and then let them go back up. If you don't think that that is a thing, ask the Marines: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyPI438nGjI Then there was the time I had to replace the starter on the Rambler. I went to the parts store and found out that there was 3 different starters used on that car. The only way to determine which one I needed was to bring in my old one and match up the bolt pattern. AMC designed body styles but used parts from various manufacturers, so you never knew what you'd find while working on them. Oh yeah, then there was the vertically mounted AM radio. I wanted to swap a AM/FM stereo into the Rambler so I started taking the OEM radio out. Turns out that they needed to make room for the AC ductwork, so they used a radio that was tall and shallow vs. the more normal short and deep. https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/plwAA...T88/s-l300.jpg The rolling greenhouse Pacer was said to be a nightmare for getting parts - mid year model changes & a parts/supply chain that couldn't cope I knew a guy that was an auto mechanic and also plowed snow as a side job. He built a plow truck by mounting a Pacer body on a 4x4 truck chassis. He said he wanted the extra visibility provided by the Pacer's expansive glass. Funny looking vehicle, but it got the job done. |
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On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:11:22 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 4/26/2021 7:40 PM, wrote: On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 09:52:14 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 4/25/2021 8:42 PM, wrote: On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 17:07:12 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: Snip Between 1900 and 1975 the US managed to invent and bring into production the airplane, nuclear power, computers, and the capability to land on the Moon. With the people born in the '30 and '40s. The millenials live in mommy's basement and play X-Box. We were talking about 60 the last 60 years. Well in all fairness, vehicles built in the US were pieces of crap from 72~2000. Progressively getting better year by year. Emission systems that hardly worked and wasted fuel was not healthier for the earth. And millenials had exactly what to do with that? Nothing but before the millenials many things were poorly designed. 25% of the engineers and scientists at NASA are millennials. Maybe they do live in their mommy's basements and play X-Box when they're not doing rocket-scientist type stuff, but I won't fault them for that. |
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On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:11:22 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote: On 4/26/2021 7:40 PM, wrote: On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 09:52:14 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 4/25/2021 8:42 PM, wrote: On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 17:07:12 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: Snip Between 1900 and 1975 the US managed to invent and bring into production the airplane, nuclear power, computers, and the capability to land on the Moon. With the people born in the '30 and '40s. The millenials live in mommy's basement and play X-Box. We were talking about 60 the last 60 years. Well in all fairness, vehicles built in the US were pieces of crap from 72~2000. Progressively getting better year by year. Emission systems that hardly worked and wasted fuel was not healthier for the earth. And millenials had exactly what to do with that? Nothing but before the millenials many things were poorly designed. 25% of the engineers and scientists at NASA are millennials. Maybe they do live in their mommy's basements and play X-Box when they're not doing rocket-scientist type stuff, but I won't fault them for that. Something like 80% of SpaceX is millenials. The idea that the current generation is (insert phrase like lazier, less intelligent, less motivated, less patriotic) than a prior generation has been a meme amongst old people for centuries, and it has never been true. |
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wrote: On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:11:22 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote: On 4/26/2021 7:40 PM, wrote: On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 09:52:14 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 4/25/2021 8:42 PM, wrote: On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 17:07:12 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: Snip Between 1900 and 1975 the US managed to invent and bring into production the airplane, nuclear power, computers, and the capability to land on the Moon. With the people born in the '30 and '40s. The millenials live in mommy's basement and play X-Box. We were talking about 60 the last 60 years. Well in all fairness, vehicles built in the US were pieces of crap from 72~2000. Progressively getting better year by year. Emission systems that hardly worked and wasted fuel was not healthier for the earth. And millenials had exactly what to do with that? Nothing but before the millenials many things were poorly designed. 25% of the engineers and scientists at NASA are millennials. Maybe they do live in their mommy's basements and play X-Box when they're not doing rocket-scientist type stuff, but I won't fault them for that. When was the last time that the US actually built a new rocket? |
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 12:14:51 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 wrote: On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:11:22 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote: On 4/26/2021 7:40 PM, wrote: On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 09:52:14 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 4/25/2021 8:42 PM, wrote: On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 17:07:12 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: Snip Between 1900 and 1975 the US managed to invent and bring into production the airplane, nuclear power, computers, and the capability to land on the Moon. With the people born in the '30 and '40s. The millenials live in mommy's basement and play X-Box. We were talking about 60 the last 60 years. Well in all fairness, vehicles built in the US were pieces of crap from 72~2000. Progressively getting better year by year. Emission systems that hardly worked and wasted fuel was not healthier for the earth. And millenials had exactly what to do with that? Nothing but before the millenials many things were poorly designed. 25% of the engineers and scientists at NASA are millennials. Maybe they do live in their mommy's basements and play X-Box when they're not doing rocket-scientist type stuff, but I won't fault them for that. When was the last time that the US actually built a new rocket? Define "US". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX Besides, it takes more - a lot more - than "building rockets" for a space program to succeed. Moving on... |
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 12:14:51 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 wrote: On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:11:22 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote: On 4/26/2021 7:40 PM, wrote: On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 09:52:14 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 4/25/2021 8:42 PM, wrote: On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 17:07:12 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: Snip Between 1900 and 1975 the US managed to invent and bring into production the airplane, nuclear power, computers, and the capability to land on the Moon. With the people born in the '30 and '40s. The millenials live in mommy's basement and play X-Box. We were talking about 60 the last 60 years. Well in all fairness, vehicles built in the US were pieces of crap from 72~2000. Progressively getting better year by year. Emission systems that hardly worked and wasted fuel was not healthier for the earth. And millenials had exactly what to do with that? Nothing but before the millenials many things were poorly designed. 25% of the engineers and scientists at NASA are millennials. Maybe they do live in their mommy's basements and play X-Box when they're not doing rocket-scientist type stuff, but I won't fault them for that. When was the last time that the US actually built a new rocket? https://www.blueorigin.com/ https://www.spacex.com/ https://www.rocketlabusa.com/ and a host of other, smaller launch operations here and worldwide all developing various space (or supersonic and hypersonic passenger planes) today. Heck, SpaceX builds a new Starship almost each week. |
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 12:07:28 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote: On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 9:20:46 PM UTC-4, wrote: I had a '70 AMC Gremlin. That really should have been Car of the year. They made more money on parts than the car. It _had_ to be profitable. I had a couple friends with AMC cars - they seemed to have the weirdest things break - a Gremlin was the only case that I have ever heard of a seat breaking - drivers seat-back - the car wasn't abused and no extra-large drivers. I had a 1966 Rambler Ambassador 990. Weird thing to have break: The vacuum booster pump that was mounted to the top of the fuel pump, causing the windshield wipers to stop working. I solved the issue by pulling the hoses off both sides of the pump and connecting them to each other. It worked great as long as you didn't mind the wipers stopping mid-wipe when you accelerated, like you might do while getting on a highway. :-O Oh, I'd forgotten that part. I remember the wipers slowing on acceleration and going a mile a minute when decelerating. I don't remember a booster but I did have to replace the vacuum wiper motor several times. Good thing it was easy and relatively cheap ("relatively" because I was a poor student). No one would believe that vacuum wipers still existed. The same thing happened to my buddy's AMC Javelin while we were driving from Cleveland to NJ in a 40° rain storm. In that case the wipers failed in the up position, but would come back down if we turned them off via the slide control. Off brought them down, On sent them up - until the cable inside the dashboard broke. That's when we tied a wire to the wiper arm itself so the passenger could pull them down and then let them go back up. If you don't think that that is a thing, ask the Marines: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyPI438nGjI Then there was the time I had to replace the starter on the Rambler. I went to the parts store and found out that there was 3 different starters used on that car. The only way to determine which one I needed was to bring in my old one and match up the bolt pattern. AMC designed body styles but used parts from various manufacturers, so you never knew what you'd find while working on them. My Gremlin had an Auburn clutch. The parts guy gave me a Borg clutch. While it didn't look at all like the one that came out of there, the hole pattern matched, including three extras. Thinking that it was a later upgrade we put the clutch in anyway. Nope. We took the new and old part back to the parts store and the guy couldn't believe anyone had used an Auburn clutch in 20 years (at that time). He felt bad for me so took the old one back (we'd damaged it) and ordered the right clutch (which wasn't in his book). Of course we had to do the job twice and were without a car for several days. The reason we had to replace the clutch was that the starter took out the ring gear. I got pretty good at jump starting the car and could do it by myself (not all that safe but I was 19 or 20, invincible) but SWMBO wasn't pleased with the situation. Oh yeah, then there was the vertically mounted AM radio. I wanted to swap a AM/FM stereo into the Rambler so I started taking the OEM radio out. Turns out that they needed to make room for the AC ductwork, so they used a radio that was tall and shallow vs. the more normal short and deep. https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/plwAA...T88/s-l300.jpg The rolling greenhouse Pacer was said to be a nightmare for getting parts - mid year model changes & a parts/supply chain that couldn't cope I knew a guy that was an auto mechanic and also plowed snow as a side job. He built a plow truck by mounting a Pacer body on a 4x4 truck chassis. He said he wanted the extra visibility provided by the Pacer's expansive glass. Funny looking vehicle, but it got the job done. Uh, what model is it? Well, it's a '49, '50, '51, '52, '53, '54, '55, '56, '57, '58, '59 automobile It's a '60, '61, '62, '63, '64, '65, '66, '67 '68, '69, '70 automobile |
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 13:34:50 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote: On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 4:16:35 PM UTC-4, wrote: On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 12:14:51 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 wrote: On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:11:22 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote: On 4/26/2021 7:40 PM, wrote: On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 09:52:14 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 4/25/2021 8:42 PM, wrote: On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 17:07:12 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: Snip Between 1900 and 1975 the US managed to invent and bring into production the airplane, nuclear power, computers, and the capability to land on the Moon. With the people born in the '30 and '40s. The millenials live in mommy's basement and play X-Box. We were talking about 60 the last 60 years. Well in all fairness, vehicles built in the US were pieces of crap from 72~2000. Progressively getting better year by year. Emission systems that hardly worked and wasted fuel was not healthier for the earth. And millenials had exactly what to do with that? Nothing but before the millenials many things were poorly designed. 25% of the engineers and scientists at NASA are millennials. Maybe they do live in their mommy's basements and play X-Box when they're not doing rocket-scientist type stuff, but I won't fault them for that. When was the last time that the US actually built a new rocket? Define "US". Since the comment was about NASA... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX Besides, it takes more - a lot more - than "building rockets" for a space program to succeed. Moving on... |
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 22:10:32 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote: writes: On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 12:14:51 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 wrote: On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:11:22 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote: On 4/26/2021 7:40 PM, wrote: On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 09:52:14 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 4/25/2021 8:42 PM, wrote: On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 17:07:12 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: Snip Between 1900 and 1975 the US managed to invent and bring into production the airplane, nuclear power, computers, and the capability to land on the Moon. With the people born in the '30 and '40s. The millenials live in mommy's basement and play X-Box. We were talking about 60 the last 60 years. Well in all fairness, vehicles built in the US were pieces of crap from 72~2000. Progressively getting better year by year. Emission systems that hardly worked and wasted fuel was not healthier for the earth. And millenials had exactly what to do with that? Nothing but before the millenials many things were poorly designed. 25% of the engineers and scientists at NASA are millennials. Maybe they do live in their mommy's basements and play X-Box when they're not doing rocket-scientist type stuff, but I won't fault them for that. When was the last time that the US actually built a new rocket? https://www.blueorigin.com/ https://www.spacex.com/ https://www.rocketlabusa.com/ and a host of other, smaller launch operations here and worldwide all developing various space (or supersonic and hypersonic passenger planes) today. Heck, SpaceX builds a new Starship almost each week. I see you can't follow the thread either. |
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DerbyDad03 on Mon, 19 Apr 2021 14:57:00 -0700
(PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following: Unobtanium is something you can't get. We're looking for the word for something that you can't get rid of. ;-) Not so much "can't get rid of" as "I can't keep this, I "can't" really sell it, I'm sure someone would want it for their Project." It's actually a multi-word phrase: https://[your-city-name-here].cr...uff/search/zip I knew there was a reason I hadn't put craigslist in the bookmarks .... "Oh, hey, neat ..." Thanks pyotr -- pyotr filipivich This Week's Panel: Us & Them - Eliminating Them. Next Month's Panel: Having eliminated the old Them(tm) Selecting who insufficiently Woke(tm) as to serve as the new Them(tm) |
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