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The Opposite Of UHMW?
Here's the application. I have a jig that needs to sit on a
work top. I don't want to clamp it down (slight over kill for the application) but I also don't want it to freely slide about. The first candidate is the tape 3M sells for stair treads. The trouble is that it's abrasive and the work top is plastic laminate (will scratch up/look skanky quick). So, what I'm looking for is a rubberized peel and stick tape or film. Think of the handles you find on some tools. It's rubbery and offers some *stickiness*. That's the stuff though the stickier the better. Size matters a wee bit but I could as easily use strips in lieu of full sheets. I would like it to be fairly thin (1/16" to 1/8") and not compress greatly under a load. So, what are my options? Any chance of finding it locally (hardware store) or a place like McMaster-Carr? I would of course prefer local over ordering. I know what I want, just don't know what it's called/what to ask for. Thanking you in advance for your help but realizing this doesn't relieve me of a proper thanks at the end. UA100 |
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"Unisaw A100" wrote in message ... Here's the application. I have a jig that needs to sit on a work top. I don't want to clamp it down (slight over kill for the application) but I also don't want it to freely slide about. The first candidate is the tape 3M sells for stair treads. The trouble is that it's abrasive and the work top is plastic laminate (will scratch up/look skanky quick). So, what I'm looking for is a rubberized peel and stick tape or film. Think of the handles you find on some tools. It's rubbery and offers some *stickiness*. That's the stuff though the stickier the better. Size matters a wee bit but I could as easily use strips in lieu of full sheets. I would like it to be fairly thin (1/16" to 1/8") and not compress greatly under a load. So, what are my options? Any chance of finding it locally (hardware store) or a place like McMaster-Carr? I would of course prefer local over ordering. I know what I want, just don't know what it's called/what to ask for. Thanking you in advance for your help but realizing this doesn't relieve me of a proper thanks at the end. UA10\\\ How about the rubber pad that Sears sells to place under a workpiece while sanding or routing to keep the work from sliding around. Looks like it would work, maybe. It just lays in place, no adhesive. |
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Uni,
Don't know how big the base of your jig is, but what about dipping it in a shallow pan of the rubber coat that some folks use to coat the handles of their tools? Here's one I found, got to be many more. Course, this may be overkill for your application as well.... http://www.heavydutystore.com/db/cus...me.php?cat=757 Be well, work wood, Joe "Unisaw A100" wrote in message ... Here's the application. I have a jig that needs to sit on a work top. I don't want to clamp it down (slight over kill for the application) but I also don't want it to freely slide about. The first candidate is the tape 3M sells for stair treads. The trouble is that it's abrasive and the work top is plastic laminate (will scratch up/look skanky quick). So, what I'm looking for is a rubberized peel and stick tape or film. Think of the handles you find on some tools. It's rubbery and offers some *stickiness*. That's the stuff though the stickier the better. Size matters a wee bit but I could as easily use strips in lieu of full sheets. I would like it to be fairly thin (1/16" to 1/8") and not compress greatly under a load. So, what are my options? Any chance of finding it locally (hardware store) or a place like McMaster-Carr? I would of course prefer local over ordering. I know what I want, just don't know what it's called/what to ask for. Thanking you in advance for your help but realizing this doesn't relieve me of a proper thanks at the end. UA100 |
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"Unisaw A100" wrote in message
... Here's the application. I have a jig that needs to sit on a work top. I don't want to clamp it down (slight over kill for the application) but I also don't want it to freely slide about. The first candidate is the tape 3M sells for stair treads. The trouble is that it's abrasive and the work top is plastic laminate (will scratch up/look skanky quick). So, what I'm looking for is a rubberized peel and stick tape or film. Think of the handles you find on some tools. It's rubbery and offers some *stickiness*. That's the stuff though the stickier the better. Size matters a wee bit but I could as easily use strips in lieu of full sheets. I would like it to be fairly thin (1/16" to 1/8") and not compress greatly under a load. So, what are my options? Any chance of finding it locally (hardware store) or a place like McMaster-Carr? I would of course prefer local over ordering. I know what I want, just don't know what it's called/what to ask for. Thanking you in advance for your help but realizing this doesn't relieve me of a proper thanks at the end. UA100 3M spray adhesive from your Scary Sharp (TM) kit, The ultra-thin double-sided tape (not the foam based) used by graphic artists (the dinosaur, pre-computer types), Multiple suction cups and a little water. Fasten the cups to the bottom of the fixture, wet the cups and the surface, push down, Rubber cement used in moderation. It will peel off the laminate ... and if you put a piece of lamnate on the bottom of your jig you shouldn't have removal issues, Those 3M removable hooks with the pull-tab adhesive release. They come with extra adhesive strips, That clear, semi-tacky snot some printers use to hold those mass-mailing things together. Your local print shop may know what it is and may be able to give you a small stash from their industrial-sized container, Shellac. Dab a puddle, place fixture on puddle, let dry. Removal requires an application of alcohol. Again, laminate on the bottom of the fixture may well ease cleanup. Hope this helps, and Happy New Year, Rick |
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Unisaw A100 wrote:
Here's the application. I have a jig that needs to sit on a work top. I don't want to clamp it down (slight over kill for the application) but I also don't want it to freely slide about. High Friction Tape. A mail order source: http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.asp?SID=&ccurrency=1&page=32184&category=1,11 0,43466 Probably wrong currency and wrapped. Works wonderfully. |
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Rust-Oleum sells a textured rubber coating that you spray on, it comes in
the typical spray paint can. I got mine at a Dollar Store. Specifically marked to spray on garden tool handles, hand tools, step ladder steps. Flexible and Waterproof "Unisaw A100" wrote in message ... Here's the application. I have a jig that needs to sit on a work top. I don't want to clamp it down (slight over kill for the application) but I also don't want it to freely slide about. The first candidate is the tape 3M sells for stair treads. The trouble is that it's abrasive and the work top is plastic laminate (will scratch up/look skanky quick). So, what I'm looking for is a rubberized peel and stick tape or film. Think of the handles you find on some tools. It's rubbery and offers some *stickiness*. That's the stuff though the stickier the better. Size matters a wee bit but I could as easily use strips in lieu of full sheets. I would like it to be fairly thin (1/16" to 1/8") and not compress greatly under a load. So, what are my options? Any chance of finding it locally (hardware store) or a place like McMaster-Carr? I would of course prefer local over ordering. I know what I want, just don't know what it's called/what to ask for. Thanking you in advance for your help but realizing this doesn't relieve me of a proper thanks at the end. UA100 |
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On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:01:45 GMT, "Joe C." wrote:
Uni, Don't know how big the base of your jig is, but what about dipping it in a shallow pan of the rubber coat that some folks use to coat the handles of their tools? Here's one I found, got to be many more. Course, this may be overkill for your application as well.... http://www.heavydutystore.com/db/cus...me.php?cat=757 They also sell that kind of stuff in a spray can. |
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On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:15:28 GMT, Unisaw A100 wrote:
Here's the application. I have a jig that needs to sit on a work top. I don't want to clamp it down (slight over kill for the application) but I also don't want it to freely slide about. The first candidate is the tape 3M sells for stair treads. The trouble is that it's abrasive and the work top is plastic laminate (will scratch up/look skanky quick). So, what I'm looking for is a rubberized peel and stick tape or film. [snip] What came to my mind is the rubber anti-slip peel-and-stick thingies you can put on the bottom of your bath tub. Depends on if you need complete, continuous coverage on the bottom or not. Also, if you find the material that you want but it is not peel-and-stick, IME there is a simple contact spray adhesive that will solve that problem. Even regular ol' rubber cement can work -- just use it like laminate adhesive (coat both sides, let dry, press together). FWIW -- Igor |
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On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:08:32 GMT, "Leon"
wrote: Rust-Oleum sells a textured rubber coating that you spray on, it comes in the typical spray paint can. I got mine at a Dollar Store. Damn! I paid like $12. That hurts. |
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"Unisaw A100" wrote in message ... Here's the application. I have a jig that needs to sit on a work top. I don't want to clamp it down (slight over kill for the application) but I also don't want it to freely slide about. Think drafting board covering. Any graphic arts store should have it. I don't think it comes with adhesive backing though, I always put it down with double sided tape. -- ******** Bill Pounds http://www.billpounds.com |
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"Tom" wrote in message news:nvVAd.8073$1U6.7724@trnddc09... "Unisaw A100" wrote in message ... Here's the application. I have a jig that needs to sit on a work top. I don't want to clamp it down (slight over kill for the application) but I also don't want it to freely slide about. The first candidate is the tape 3M sells for stair treads. The trouble is that it's abrasive and the work top is plastic laminate (will scratch up/look skanky quick). So, what I'm looking for is a rubberized peel and stick tape or film. Think of the handles you find on some tools. It's rubbery and offers some *stickiness*. That's the stuff though the stickier the better. Size matters a wee bit but I could as easily use strips in lieu of full sheets. I would like it to be fairly thin (1/16" to 1/8") and not compress greatly under a load. So, what are my options? Any chance of finding it locally (hardware store) or a place like McMaster-Carr? I would of course prefer local over ordering. I know what I want, just don't know what it's called/what to ask for. Thanking you in advance for your help but realizing this doesn't relieve me of a proper thanks at the end. UA10\\\ How about the rubber pad that Sears sells to place under a workpiece while sanding or routing to keep the work from sliding around. Looks like it would work, maybe. It just lays in place, no adhesive. Keeter: Second the motion. You can also buy it in sheets for use as rug pads (see Drexel). It loses stickiness over time, but one sheet cut into strips will give you a few decades worth of use . I have a couple of 1/16 rubber mats used in offset printing. They're not sticky, but very stable and might give you just enough friction for the app. Ping me if this sounds workable. Bob |
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You can buy neoprene in sheets. This stuff is what the router mats are made
from. It is a soft rubber with tack. max Uni, Don't know how big the base of your jig is, but what about dipping it in a shallow pan of the rubber coat that some folks use to coat the handles of their tools? Here's one I found, got to be many more. Course, this may be overkill for your application as well.... http://www.heavydutystore.com/db/cus...me.php?cat=757 Be well, work wood, Joe "Unisaw A100" wrote in message ... Here's the application. I have a jig that needs to sit on a work top. I don't want to clamp it down (slight over kill for the application) but I also don't want it to freely slide about. The first candidate is the tape 3M sells for stair treads. The trouble is that it's abrasive and the work top is plastic laminate (will scratch up/look skanky quick). So, what I'm looking for is a rubberized peel and stick tape or film. Think of the handles you find on some tools. It's rubbery and offers some *stickiness*. That's the stuff though the stickier the better. Size matters a wee bit but I could as easily use strips in lieu of full sheets. I would like it to be fairly thin (1/16" to 1/8") and not compress greatly under a load. So, what are my options? Any chance of finding it locally (hardware store) or a place like McMaster-Carr? I would of course prefer local over ordering. I know what I want, just don't know what it's called/what to ask for. Thanking you in advance for your help but realizing this doesn't relieve me of a proper thanks at the end. UA100 |
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How about the rubber pad that Sears sells to place under a workpiece while
sanding or routing to keep the work from sliding around. Looks like it would work, maybe. It just lays in place, no adhesive. The last two words. UA100 |
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Don't know how big the base of your jig is, but what about dipping it in a
shallow pan of the rubber coat that some folks use to coat the handles of their tools? Here's one I found, got to be many more. Course, this may be overkill for your application as well.... http://www.heavydutystore.com/db/cus...me.php?cat=757 I like this. It would work for some of my applications. In the past I'd always seen these "tool dips" in magazine ads and I wondered about the cheese factor. Being this is Loctite brand... UA100, who does have a brand loyalty to Loctite... |
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3M spray adhesive from your Scary Sharp (TM) kit,
snippage.. I need it to PSA (pressure sensitive adhesive) one side only. The other side isn't sticky in the glue sense of the word but sticky as in non-skid. UA100 |
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Paul Kierstead wrote:
High Friction Tape. A mail order source: http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.asp?SID=&ccurrency=1&page=32184&category=1,11 0,43466 That's it Paul, but pricy (sorry Rob). Probably wrong currency and wrapped. Even with the exchange rate... Works wonderfully. sigh... I suppose I better go buy the crow bar first, huh? UA100 |
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igor:
What came to my mind is the rubber anti-slip peel-and-stick thingies you can put on the bottom of your bath tub. That's an idea, but does it come in Delta gray? UA100 |
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Pounds on Wood wrote:
Think drafting board covering. Any graphic arts store should have it. I don't think it comes with adhesive backing though, I always put it down with double sided tape. That's Borco. I know Borco. Believe me on this. The green side is forever burnt into my memory. It's not sticky enough. UA100, who try as he might could never get the curl out of Borco... |
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"Unisaw A100" wrote in message ... Paul Kierstead wrote: High Friction Tape. A mail order source: http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.a...=32184&categor y=1,110,43466 That's it Paul, but pricy (sorry Rob). Probably wrong currency and wrapped. Even with the exchange rate... Works wonderfully. sigh... I suppose I better go buy the crow bar first, huh? UA100 These work well on wallets.... http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.a...2014&category= 1,43456,43399 Cheers - Rob |
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In article , UnisawA100
@wi.rr.com says... So, what are my options? Any chance of finding it locally (hardware store) or a place like McMaster-Carr? I would of course prefer local over ordering. It's called carpet tape. Get the kind with the plastic mesh embedded in it. -- Mike G. Heirloom Woods www.heirloom-woods.net |
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Unisaw A100 wrote:
In the past I'd always seen these "tool dips" in magazine ads and I wondered about the cheese factor. Being this is Loctite brand... Plastidip is good. -- Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ |
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"Unisaw A100" writes: Here's the application. I have a jig that needs to sit on a work top. I don't want to clamp it down (slight over kill for the application) but I also don't want it to freely slide about. snip Is there some reason you have rejected double sided tape? Lew |
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Robin Lee wrote:
"Unisaw A100" wrote in message ... Paul Kierstead wrote: High Friction Tape. A mail order source: http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.a...=32184&categor y=1,110,43466 That's it Paul, but pricy (sorry Rob). Probably wrong currency and wrapped. Even with the exchange rate... Works wonderfully. sigh... I suppose I better go buy the crow bar first, huh? UA100 These work well on wallets.... http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.a...2014&category= 1,43456,43399 Cheers - Rob I was thinking more along the lines of this one http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.a...ren cy=2&SID= It should be able to grab both corners to break it lose from the pocket. Joe |
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On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:15:28 GMT, Unisaw A100
wrote: Here's the application. I have a jig that needs to sit on a work top. I don't want to clamp it down (slight over kill for the application) but I also don't want it to freely slide about. You bemember dat red rubber gasket mateterial, Spanky? I'd beese double face tapin' it onna bottom of da jig. Regards, Tom. "People funny. Life a funny thing." Sonny Liston Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.) tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email) http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1 |
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How about one of those non-slip Router pads??
John On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 18:43:31 GMT, "Lew Hodgett" wrote: "Unisaw A100" writes: Here's the application. I have a jig that needs to sit on a work top. I don't want to clamp it down (slight over kill for the application) but I also don't want it to freely slide about. snip Is there some reason you have rejected double sided tape? Lew |
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On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 18:02:48 GMT, Unisaw A100 wrote:
igor: What came to my mind is the rubber anti-slip peel-and-stick thingies you can put on the bottom of your bath tub. That's an idea, but does it come in Delta gray? UA100 In my tub they do. But I think I bought them in white. I could send them to you. |
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Plastidip is good.
Yes, it works as advertised. I wrecked one of the leveling feet on my bandsaw's mobile base and the replacement HTC sent me was the wrong size. Rather than wait for another one, I went to the hardware store but the only correctly sized leveling feet I could find were all metal, not plastic covered like the original. So I got a can of Plastidip and dipped the metal part several times (with a few hours of drying time between each dipping). It worked just fine. Lee -- To e-mail, replace "bucketofspam" with "dleegordon" |
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You might try some of the thin, rubbery material reataurants and bars use to
line their glassware shelves. Here is an example of a similar product: http://www.tapplastics.com/shop/product.php?pid=250 But you can probably obtain it from your local restaurant supply store. Your friendly neighborhood innkeeper might even have some spare pieces he would give you. Lee -- To e-mail, replace "bucketofspam" with "dleegordon" |
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Put double sided tape on one side of the grip tape used to build out the
thickness of tennis racquet handles. Its made to be ... well ... grippy. Joe "Unisaw A100" wrote in message ... Here's the application. I have a jig that needs to sit on a work top. I don't want to clamp it down (slight over kill for the application) but I also don't want it to freely slide about. The first candidate is the tape 3M sells for stair treads. The trouble is that it's abrasive and the work top is plastic laminate (will scratch up/look skanky quick). So, what I'm looking for is a rubberized peel and stick tape or film. Think of the handles you find on some tools. It's rubbery and offers some *stickiness*. That's the stuff though the stickier the better. Size matters a wee bit but I could as easily use strips in lieu of full sheets. I would like it to be fairly thin (1/16" to 1/8") and not compress greatly under a load. So, what are my options? Any chance of finding it locally (hardware store) or a place like McMaster-Carr? I would of course prefer local over ordering. I know what I want, just don't know what it's called/what to ask for. Thanking you in advance for your help but realizing this doesn't relieve me of a proper thanks at the end. UA100 |
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On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:15:28 GMT, Unisaw A100
wrote: Here's the application. I have a jig that needs to sit on a work top. I don't want to clamp it down (slight over kill for the application) but I also don't want it to freely slide about. The first candidate is the tape 3M sells for stair treads. The trouble is that it's abrasive and the work top is plastic laminate (will scratch up/look skanky quick). So, what I'm looking for is a rubberized peel and stick tape or film. Think of the handles you find on some tools. It's rubbery and offers some *stickiness*. That's the stuff though the stickier the better. Size matters a wee bit but I could as easily use strips in lieu of full sheets. I would like it to be fairly thin (1/16" to 1/8") and not compress greatly under a load. So, what are my options? Any chance of finding it locally (hardware store) or a place like McMaster-Carr? I would of course prefer local over ordering. I know what I want, just don't know what it's called/what to ask for. Thanking you in advance for your help but realizing this doesn't relieve me of a proper thanks at the end. UA100 high voltage electrical tape. or a glob of silicone rubber on each foot. let it dry before you turn it back right side up. |
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Is there some reason you have rejected double sided tape?
Yes. I need to move the jig off the work top for storage and re-position it for use at a later time/date. With double stick/two-sided/carpet tape half the time the tape sticks to one side or the other. I just need it to stick to the jig and not slide about the work top when moderate pressure is applied laterally. In other words, the opposite of UHMW. UA100 |
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On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:15:28 GMT, Unisaw A100
wrote: So, what I'm looking for is a rubberized peel and stick tape or film. Think of the handles you find on some tools. It's rubbery and offers some *stickiness*. That's the stuff though the stickier the better. Size matters a wee bit but I could as easily use strips in lieu of full sheets. I would like it to be fairly thin (1/16" to 1/8") and not compress greatly under a load. Look for foamy plastic drawer liner or shelf "paper" at *-Mart. It's about $6 for a big roll. I use it for sanding, routing, etc... A LIGHT misting of water will make it a bit tacky. The stuff comes in 4-5 colors and also works well lining tool drawers, and a much lower price than "rollaway drawer liner"! Barry |
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On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:15:28 GMT, Unisaw A100
wrote: snip Thanking you in advance for your help but realizing this doesn't relieve me of a proper thanks at the end. UA100 Keith, there have been some very good suggestions already (I read them all), so I won't go over them other than to comment on the possibility of movement when using the rubberised type mat. A jig is normally designed to allow consistent, accurate work; a mat that has even limited movement will obviate the purpose. I did notice that non-one has mentioned a vacuum clamp, which would seem perfect for your needs, and reuseable, though you said a clamp was a bit over the top. http://www.woodweb.com/knowledge_bas...e_Routing.html http://www.joewoodworker.com/veneeri...umclamping.htm A hybrid would have holes top and bottom to allow a generic plate that you can sit things on to hold. Two sided carpet tape seems like a winner too. Greg |
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"Unisaw A100" wrote in message
... Here's the application. I have a jig that needs to sit on a work top. I don't want to clamp it down (slight over kill for the application) but I also don't want it to freely slide about. Snip Thanking you in advance for your help but realizing this doesn't relieve me of a proper thanks at the end. UA100 Try these links: http://www.unitedsilicone.com/sheets.htm http://www.cshyde.com/COHRlastic.htm http://www.acmerubber.com/polsheet.htm http://www.acmerubber.com/silsheet.htm Look in the Yellow pages for die cutters or gasket makers, there is a good chance you can score some scraps big enough for your project. Once you get your material try 3M spray adhesive. An industrial adhesive supplier will have 3M or other brands of transfer adhesive in a variety of widths. A plus on the silicone sheet it is available in (Delta) gray... Phil Davis 247PalmBeachRE.com |
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I found this when I wasn't looking for it.
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How big an area do you need to cover?
It has been suggested - the super high friction tape from Lee Valley I use it a few jigs and recently put it on the face of my biscuit cutter - works great Another suggestion is to take a section of old bike tire tube and contact cement it on the jig. .... but I don't think it will hold as well as the tape. Let us know what you have try and what you end up with. Matt On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:15:28 GMT, Unisaw A100 wrote: So, what I'm looking for is a rubberized peel and stick tape or film. Think of the handles you find on some tools. It's rubbery and offers some *stickiness*. That's the stuff though the stickier the better. Size matters a wee bit but I could as easily use strips in lieu of full sheets. I would like it to be fairly thin (1/16" to 1/8") and not compress greatly under a load. |
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Unisaw A100 wrote:
So, what I'm looking for is a rubberized peel and stick tape or film. Think of the handles you find on some tools. It's rubbery and offers some *stickiness*. That's the stuff though the stickier the better. Size matters a wee bit but I could as easily use strips in lieu of full sheets. I would like it to be fairly thin (1/16" to 1/8") and not compress greatly under a load. Take a look at the silicone tape Lee Valley sells. If it's the right stuff in the wrong shape, you'll at least have a name to search on... -- Morris Dovey DeSoto Solar DeSoto, Iowa USA http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html |
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If the Canuck tape is too pricey - the local Borg sells PSA (one side) non-skid
pads. They come in strips, circles, etc. See if they're 'sticky' enough. It's about 1/16" or so thick, you'll have to determine if it's too resiliant for your application... JeffB Unisaw A100 wrote: Paul Kierstead wrote: High Friction Tape. A mail order source: http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.asp?SID=&ccurrency=1&page=32184&category=1,11 0,43466 That's it Paul, but pricy (sorry Rob). Probably wrong currency and wrapped. Even with the exchange rate... Works wonderfully. sigh... I suppose I better go buy the crow bar first, huh? UA100 |
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On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:15:28 GMT, Unisaw A100
wrote: Here's the application. I have a jig that needs to sit on a work top. I don't want to clamp it down (slight over kill for the application) but I also don't want it to freely slide about. The first candidate is the tape 3M sells for stair treads. The trouble is that it's abrasive and the work top is plastic laminate (will scratch up/look skanky quick). So, what I'm looking for is a rubberized peel and stick tape or film. Think of the handles you find on some tools. It's rubbery and offers some *stickiness*. That's the stuff though the stickier the better. Size matters a wee bit but I could as easily use strips in lieu of full sheets. I would like it to be fairly thin (1/16" to 1/8") and not compress greatly under a load. So, what are my options? Any chance of finding it locally (hardware store) or a place like McMaster-Carr? I would of course prefer local over ordering. I know what I want, just don't know what it's called/what to ask for. Thanking you in advance for your help but realizing this doesn't relieve me of a proper thanks at the end. UA100 before you tape or glue it down, try a piece of that web stuff that you use to line tool box drawers.. I use a rectangle of it with my sanding box and it damn near locks the stock to the table.. mac Please remove splinters before emailing |
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