i use them from time to time but have found the quality has gone down

i had a large stock but the replacements are not as good

anyone find a bandage that will stay put even if it gets wet

these new ones come off even from sweat

On Thursday, May 10, 2018 at 1:18:23 PM UTC-5, Electric Comet wrote:


anyone find a bandage that will stay put even if it gets wet

Not so much the bandage, itself, but Aerozoin spray is used to help a bandage and/or tape stick and stay stuck. Often, for nicks, scrapes and cuts to my hands, I spray a bit of Aerozoin on a Q-tip, rub it where the bandaid tape will be placed, allow to dry a few seconds, then apply the bandaid. Stays stuck all day and beyond showering, if need be. Long ago, Aerozoin was sold/known as ToughSkin, used a lot by ball teams for/when applying bandages or wraps of various kinds, for skin or injury protection of sorts.

Benzoin is used on canker soars and on delicate skin sites as a "skin toughener"-like assistant or wound cover (of sorts), until the skin heals.

Not sure, but both products should be available over the counter at your local Rx.

Sonny

Electric Comet on Thu, 10 May 2018
11:18:16 -0700 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
i use them from time to time but have found the quality has gone down

i had a large stock but the replacements are not as good

anyone find a bandage that will stay put even if it gets wet

these new ones come off even from sweat

What brand are you using?
Which brand were you using?

I kept a roll of micropore tape to close up the small nicks.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

On 5/10/2018 1:18 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
i use them from time to time but have found the quality has gone down

i had a large stock but the replacements are not as good

anyone find a bandage that will stay put even if it gets wet

these new ones come off even from sweat


Not a bandage, per se, but a waterproof, rubberized tape that is slicker
than greased owl ****.

I have a persistent problem with on fingernail on my dominant hand that
continually will start to split. I'll catch it on something and it will
split further. Only rarely can I super glue or keep tape on it long
enough for the damn thing to grow back without catching it on something
all over again. Just had a small piece break off a week or so ago.
Looking at the drug store I found this flesh colored, rubberized tape
said to be waterproof. Damned it it wasn't. I put one piece on the
nail longitudinally to protect the area of the nail bed that was exposed
and one piece to make it around the circumference of the nail (about 1 ½
turn), not too tight. After three days there was no sign it was giving
up its hold but I wanted to "air it out" to let the skin breath a bit.

I found a new best friend. Bye-bye Super Glue, you never worked that
well for me anyway.

I would love to give you the name but it was in a blister pack and I
tossed the packaging and just keep the unused portion of the roll in a
zip lock sandwich baggie. It was, I believe, a major brand and I bought
it at the local Jewel-Osco (food & drug chain) owned by Albertson's.

It should not be difficult to find it if you look. Works like a charm
and for a bandage, just roll your own with a bit of gauze or . . .

On 5/10/2018 10:56 PM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
On 5/10/2018 1:18 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
i use them from time to time but have found the quality has gone down

i had a large stock but the replacements are not as good

anyone find a bandage that will stay put even if it gets wet

these new ones come off even from sweat


Not a bandage, per se, but a waterproof, rubberized tape that is slicker
than greased owl ****.

I have a persistent problem with on fingernail on my dominant hand that
continually will start to split.Â* I'll catch it on something and it will
split further.Â* Only rarely can I super glue or keep tape on it long
enough for the damn thing to grow back without catching it on something
all over again.Â* Just had a small piece break off a week or so ago.
Looking at the drug store I found this flesh colored, rubberized tape
said to be waterproof.Â* Damned it it wasn't.Â* I put one piece on the
nail longitudinally to protect the area of the nail bed that was exposed
and one piece to make it around the circumference of the nail (about 1 ½
turn), not too tight.Â* After three days there was no sign it was giving
up its hold but I wanted to "air it out" to let the skin breath a bit.

I found a new best friend.Â* Bye-bye Super Glue, you never worked that
well for me anyway.

I would love to give you the name but it was in a blister pack and I
tossed the packaging and just keep the unused portion of the roll in a
zip lock sandwich baggie.Â* It was, I believe, a major brand and I bought
it at the local Jewel-Osco (food & drug chain) owned by Albertson's.

It should not be difficult to find it if you look.Â* Works like a charm
and for a bandage, just roll your own with a bit of gauze or . . .

I have found that a good emergency bandages is a roll of paper towels.
I carry a roll in all of my vehicles that are stored in a plastic bag.
While it may not be perfect the bag keeps it clean, strong, and it can
soak up a lot of blood.

I realized the importance when we came upon a car wreck. The victim had
the type of skin the came off in sheets, I don't know what we would have
done with out paper towels.

--
2018: The year we learn to play the great game of Euchre

On 5/11/2018 6:13 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 5/10/2018 10:56 PM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
On 5/10/2018 1:18 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
i use them from time to time but have found the quality has gone down

i had a large stock but the replacements are not as good

anyone find a bandage that will stay put even if it gets wet

these new ones come off even from sweat


Not a bandage, per se, but a waterproof, rubberized tape that is
slicker than greased owl ****.


[snip]

It should not be difficult to find it if you look.Â* Works like a charm
and for a bandage, just roll your own with a bit of gauze or . . .

I have found that a good emergency bandages is a roll of paper towels. I
carry a roll in all of my vehicles that are stored in a plastic bag.
While it may not be perfect the bag keeps it clean, strong, and it can
soak up a lot of blood.

I realized the importance when we came upon a car wreck.Â* The victim had
the type of skin the came off in sheets, I don't know what we would have
done with out paper towels.

Another one (from time spent working on an ambulance crew before there
were paramedics) is sanitary napkins. Sealed in paper and used with an
ACE or other bandage, they were outstanding for pressure bandages. A
newspaper, or even a magazine, makes for a great splint.

On Friday, May 11, 2018 at 7:13:59 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On 5/10/2018 10:56 PM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
On 5/10/2018 1:18 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
i use them from time to time but have found the quality has gone down

i had a large stock but the replacements are not as good

anyone find a bandage that will stay put even if it gets wet

these new ones come off even from sweat


Not a bandage, per se, but a waterproof, rubberized tape that is slicker
than greased owl ****.

I have a persistent problem with on fingernail on my dominant hand that
continually will start to split.Â* I'll catch it on something and it will
split further.Â* Only rarely can I super glue or keep tape on it long
enough for the damn thing to grow back without catching it on something
all over again.Â* Just had a small piece break off a week or so ago..
Looking at the drug store I found this flesh colored, rubberized tape
said to be waterproof.Â* Damned it it wasn't.Â* I put one piece on the
nail longitudinally to protect the area of the nail bed that was exposed
and one piece to make it around the circumference of the nail (about 1 ½
turn), not too tight.Â* After three days there was no sign it was giving
up its hold but I wanted to "air it out" to let the skin breath a bit.

I found a new best friend.Â* Bye-bye Super Glue, you never worked that
well for me anyway.

I would love to give you the name but it was in a blister pack and I
tossed the packaging and just keep the unused portion of the roll in a
zip lock sandwich baggie.Â* It was, I believe, a major brand and I bought
it at the local Jewel-Osco (food & drug chain) owned by Albertson's.

It should not be difficult to find it if you look.Â* Works like a charm
and for a bandage, just roll your own with a bit of gauze or . . .

I have found that a good emergency bandages is a roll of paper towels.
I carry a roll in all of my vehicles that are stored in a plastic bag.
While it may not be perfect the bag keeps it clean, strong, and it can
soak up a lot of blood.

I realized the importance when we came upon a car wreck. The victim had
the type of skin the came off in sheets, I don't know what we would have
done with out paper towels.


+1

Paper towels with duct/electrical/painters/packing/gorilla/etc. tape. Whatever you have handy.

BTDT lots of times. Not waterproof per se, but most tapes stay on.

As a guy that in the drier months, has frequent splits in the skin along the edge of the fingernail, I've used finger protection tape for a while. The last brand I bought (multiroll pack 12 rolls/pack) "bantex" cohesive gauze by brasel products, turns out to be pretty waterproof. I've recently (effen aging process) developed trigger thumb- where the thumb only likes to be in a couple positions- anything in between the 2 positions is painful, so I splint the thumb and that alleviates the notchy ness for a bit . I was using gloves to keep the water off the splint but found that the water doesn't even start to loosen or unravel the gauze over the splint. I leave it on for the day with frequent immersions and it's still doing the job. Bought off fleabay BTW- careful one place showed a pic of the pack of 12 in the advert and sent one roll instead of 12! Lesson learned... Regards, Pat

On Saturday, May 12, 2018 at 7:03:39 AM UTC-5, patrick wrote:
As a guy that in the drier months, has frequent splits in the skin along the edge of the fingernail,
Pat

This goes for Questionably Confused, also, since you have splitting nails.

Cracking or spliting skin near the nail bed, splitting of the nail and/or thin/small "lines"/streaks showing on/under the nail, raised ridges on the nail(s) and clawing of the nail are signs of significant and/or advanced heart disease. These symptoms/signs are also often prevalent on the toe nails, as well. I would advise you to go have a thorough physical performed.... by an internist, cardiologist.... if you are not already under the care of a physician.

Sonny

Well, if the splitting of the skin at the nail edge/tip means I have advanced heart disease then I've been going downhill since I was 11 YO (now 67) and it first was noticed... Thanks for the info though. Regards, Pat

On Sun, 13 May 2018 06:07:13 -0700 (PDT), patrick
wrote:

Well, if the splitting of the skin at the nail edge/tip means I have advanced heart disease then I've been going downhill since I was 11 YO (now 67) and it first was noticed... Thanks for the info though. Regards, Pat

One of my coworkers has had that for as long as he can remember. If
he has heart trouble I want the same heart trouble--he runs 7 miles
every morning before work and climbed Everest a few years back.

On Sunday, May 13, 2018 at 8:07:18 AM UTC-5, patrick wrote:
Well, if the splitting of the skin at the nail edge/tip means I have advanced heart disease then I've been going downhill since I was 11 YO (now 67) and it first was noticed... Thanks for the info though. Regards, Pat

That's one heck of a history of splitting skin at/near the nail. I suppose it's been on your dominant hand, only, all that time. Not to be rude or controversial, but have you discovered/treated the root cause of the problem, rather than treating the/a symptom?

Physicians can't properly diagnose a patient's issues over the phone, in an email, on online forums, at spur-of-the-moment times (like at social gatherings or running into someone at the grocery store), etc., etc. Rarely is/would a complete history be given, not to mention lack of other significant aspects of a complete/proper examination. I should have been (should be) more cautious about assuming things, commenting or volunteering info.

Sonny

On 5/13/2018 9:07 AM, patrick wrote:
Well, if the splitting of the skin at the nail edge/tip means I have advanced heart disease then I've been going downhill since I was 11 YO (now 67) and it first was noticed... Thanks for the info though. Regards, Pat


Be very careful. If not, at that rate of decline you may be dead in
another 20 or 30 years at the most.

Sonny wrote:

On Saturday, May 12, 2018 at 7:03:39 AM UTC-5, patrick wrote:
As a guy that in the drier months, has frequent splits in the skin along the edge of the fingernail,
Pat

This goes for Questionably Confused, also, since you have splitting nails.

Cracking or spliting skin near the nail bed, splitting of the nail and/or thin/small "lines"/streaks showing on/under the nail, raised ridges on the nail(s) and clawing of the nail are signs of significant and/or advanced heart disease. These symptoms/signs are also often prevalent on the toe nails, as well. I would advise you to go have a thorough physical performed.... by an internist, cardiologist.... if you are not already under the care of a physician.

Sonny

https://youtu.be/q4awo34rpC8

Interesting, I'd not heard nails could be a cardiovascular problem
indicator but I do remember being taught in school (in the '60s) that
the quarter-moon visible at the base of the thumbnail is a sign of
good health.

Earlobe creases are another possible indicator of cardiovascular disease.

http://haydeninstitute.com/wp-conten...ar-Disease.jpg
https://www.healthline.com/health/he...se/ear-creases
https://myheart.net/articles/earlobe...-fact-or-myth/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4697048/

On Sun, 13 May 2018 09:24:58 -0400, J. Clarke
wrote:

On Sun, 13 May 2018 06:07:13 -0700 (PDT), patrick
wrote:

Well, if the splitting of the skin at the nail edge/tip means I have advanced heart disease then I've been going downhill since I was 11 YO (now 67) and it first was noticed... Thanks for the info though. Regards, Pat

One of my coworkers has had that for as long as he can remember. If
he has heart trouble I want the same heart trouble--he runs 7 miles
every morning before work and climbed Everest a few years back.

You might want to reconsider. Remember Jim Fixx? It's not unusual
and in fact, runners have *more* heart issues than those, who are
active but not distance runners. It's known that runners have a
higher instance of AFib, for instance, than the general population. A
few of tons of articles.

https://www.runnersworld.com/newswire/heart-risk-marathoners-have-larger-plaques-in-arteries
https://www.active.com/articles/new-study-cites-link-between-marathon-running-and-some-heart-attack-factors

On Sunday, May 13, 2018 at 6:40:00 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 13 May 2018 09:24:58 -0400, J. Clarke
wrote:

On Sun, 13 May 2018 06:07:13 -0700 (PDT), patrick
wrote:

Well, if the splitting of the skin at the nail edge/tip means I have advanced heart disease then I've been going downhill since I was 11 YO (now 67) and it first was noticed... Thanks for the info though. Regards, Pat

One of my coworkers has had that for as long as he can remember. If
he has heart trouble I want the same heart trouble--he runs 7 miles
every morning before work and climbed Everest a few years back.

You might want to reconsider. Remember Jim Fixx? It's not unusual
and in fact, runners have *more* heart issues than those, who are
active but not distance runners. It's known that runners have a
higher instance of AFib, for instance, than the general population. A
few of tons of articles.

https://www.runnersworld.com/newswire/heart-risk-marathoners-have-larger-plaques-in-arteries
https://www.active.com/articles/new-study-cites-link-between-marathon-running-and-some-heart-attack-factors

What a subject.
I'm in a quandry at 68.
I still feel great and I'm not going to worry about living a short or long life.
I'm more worried about becoming a miserable old f.than going out a happy younger one.
Maybe it's going to be a fatal flaw but I haven't been for a checkup for 10 years and have no plans to do so for another 10.
My grandparents went this route and quit smoking in their 50's .
I quit in my 30's they all drank a shot of brandy or bourbon a while before bed , which I practice.
They lived into their mid to late 90's
My folks were tied into the medical system with vials of pills and daily pill box doses.
My mom started in her 50's and lived to 63.
My dad didn't start the pill thing until his late 70's and then he had every ailment under the sun until and passed at 87.
I must admit my generation and the younger ones have had a lot more crap chemicals in our food most of our lives.
While yhe 80-100 year olds have not had as much, maybe.
Who knows it's a crap shoot .
So I just shoot for happy and let nature take it's course .
O.K.,so I'm foolishly happy for now!
rick B.

On Sun, 13 May 2018 17:05:35 -0700 (PDT), Rick the antique guy
wrote:

On Sunday, May 13, 2018 at 6:40:00 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 13 May 2018 09:24:58 -0400, J. Clarke
wrote:

On Sun, 13 May 2018 06:07:13 -0700 (PDT), patrick
wrote:

Well, if the splitting of the skin at the nail edge/tip means I have advanced heart disease then I've been going downhill since I was 11 YO (now 67) and it first was noticed... Thanks for the info though. Regards, Pat

One of my coworkers has had that for as long as he can remember. If
he has heart trouble I want the same heart trouble--he runs 7 miles
every morning before work and climbed Everest a few years back.

You might want to reconsider. Remember Jim Fixx? It's not unusual
and in fact, runners have *more* heart issues than those, who are
active but not distance runners. It's known that runners have a
higher instance of AFib, for instance, than the general population. A
few of tons of articles.

https://www.runnersworld.com/newswire/heart-risk-marathoners-have-larger-plaques-in-arteries
https://www.active.com/articles/new-study-cites-link-between-marathon-running-and-some-heart-attack-factors

What a subject.
I'm in a quandry at 68.
I still feel great and I'm not going to worry about living a short or long life.
I'm more worried about becoming a miserable old f.than going out a happy younger one.
Maybe it's going to be a fatal flaw but I haven't been for a checkup for 10 years and have no plans to do so for another 10.
My grandparents went this route and quit smoking in their 50's .
I quit in my 30's they all drank a shot of brandy or bourbon a while before bed , which I practice.
They lived into their mid to late 90's
My folks were tied into the medical system with vials of pills and daily pill box doses.
My mom started in her 50's and lived to 63.
My dad didn't start the pill thing until his late 70's and then he had every ailment under the sun until and passed at 87.
I must admit my generation and the younger ones have had a lot more crap chemicals in our food most of our lives.
While yhe 80-100 year olds have not had as much, maybe.
Who knows it's a crap shoot .
So I just shoot for happy and let nature take it's course .
O.K.,so I'm foolishly happy for now!

Maybe it'll work out for you but I tried it, until I retired (the
first time) in '06 (age 54). Didn't work for me. Right after, I had
a rather severe run-in with A-Fib and heart failure. Got over that
hump fairly well, lost a lot of weight and was doing alright (but
seeing Drs regularly). Then in '14 the A-Fib came back and they found
four blocked coronary arteries (70%, 90% and two 100%), so had a
CABG/MAZE. After the A-Fib got a lot worse (even though the whole
purpose of the MAZE procedure was to stop it). In the last two years
I've had three left-atrial ablations for atypical A-flutter, a carotid
artery angiogram (another scheduled later this year), a fractured
pelvis, and an AV node ablation with pacemaker (but I've been fine for
the three months since ;-).

Getting old isn't for sissies. ...but it does beat the alternative.

I hope pretending that doctors don't exist works out better for you
than it did me. ;-)

On Sunday, May 13, 2018 at 8:39:20 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 13 May 2018 17:05:35 -0700 (PDT), Rick the antique guy
wrote:

On Sunday, May 13, 2018 at 6:40:00 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 13 May 2018 09:24:58 -0400, J. Clarke
wrote:

On Sun, 13 May 2018 06:07:13 -0700 (PDT), patrick
wrote:

Well, if the splitting of the skin at the nail edge/tip means I have advanced heart disease then I've been going downhill since I was 11 YO (now 67) and it first was noticed... Thanks for the info though. Regards, Pat

One of my coworkers has had that for as long as he can remember. If
he has heart trouble I want the same heart trouble--he runs 7 miles
every morning before work and climbed Everest a few years back.

You might want to reconsider. Remember Jim Fixx? It's not unusual
and in fact, runners have *more* heart issues than those, who are
active but not distance runners. It's known that runners have a
higher instance of AFib, for instance, than the general population. A
few of tons of articles.

https://www.runnersworld.com/newswire/heart-risk-marathoners-have-larger-plaques-in-arteries
https://www.active.com/articles/new-study-cites-link-between-marathon-running-and-some-heart-attack-factors

What a subject.
I'm in a quandry at 68.
I still feel great and I'm not going to worry about living a short or long life.
I'm more worried about becoming a miserable old f.than going out a happy younger one.
Maybe it's going to be a fatal flaw but I haven't been for a checkup for 10 years and have no plans to do so for another 10.
My grandparents went this route and quit smoking in their 50's .
I quit in my 30's they all drank a shot of brandy or bourbon a while before bed , which I practice.
They lived into their mid to late 90's
My folks were tied into the medical system with vials of pills and daily pill box doses.
My mom started in her 50's and lived to 63.
My dad didn't start the pill thing until his late 70's and then he had every ailment under the sun until and passed at 87.
I must admit my generation and the younger ones have had a lot more crap chemicals in our food most of our lives.
While yhe 80-100 year olds have not had as much, maybe.
Who knows it's a crap shoot .
So I just shoot for happy and let nature take it's course .
O.K.,so I'm foolishly happy for now!

Maybe it'll work out for you but I tried it, until I retired (the
first time) in '06 (age 54). Didn't work for me. Right after, I had
a rather severe run-in with A-Fib and heart failure. Got over that
hump fairly well, lost a lot of weight and was doing alright (but
seeing Drs regularly). Then in '14 the A-Fib came back and they found
four blocked coronary arteries (70%, 90% and two 100%), so had a
CABG/MAZE. After the A-Fib got a lot worse (even though the whole
purpose of the MAZE procedure was to stop it). In the last two years
I've had three left-atrial ablations for atypical A-flutter, a carotid
artery angiogram (another scheduled later this year), a fractured
pelvis, and an AV node ablation with pacemaker (but I've been fine for
the three months since ;-).

Getting old isn't for sissies. ...but it does beat the alternative.

I hope pretending that doctors don't exist works out better for you
than it did me. ;-)

Hi K.
Sorry to hear about Your Trials with Health.You are having a raw deal. Really! I Feel for You.You are a Hero in Your own right,just to be Here.
It is as if my dad Has Spoken to me.
Yes: He used to say "Getting old is not for sissies" I never heard it before Him or anyone or again till now.
So all that I can say . Is I hope You as I are happy with the Time we have left. Enjoyment by Loving the Gift of life for NOW.
Thats al we got My fellow Woodie is NOW.
Be well Be swell and Keep a Goin' K
rick B.

On Sun, 13 May 2018 17:05:35 -0700 (PDT), Rick the antique guy
wrote:

On Sunday, May 13, 2018 at 6:40:00 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 13 May 2018 09:24:58 -0400, J. Clarke
wrote:

On Sun, 13 May 2018 06:07:13 -0700 (PDT), patrick
wrote:

Well, if the splitting of the skin at the nail edge/tip means I have advanced heart disease then I've been going downhill since I was 11 YO (now 67) and it first was noticed... Thanks for the info though. Regards, Pat

One of my coworkers has had that for as long as he can remember. If
he has heart trouble I want the same heart trouble--he runs 7 miles
every morning before work and climbed Everest a few years back.

You might want to reconsider. Remember Jim Fixx? It's not unusual
and in fact, runners have *more* heart issues than those, who are
active but not distance runners. It's known that runners have a
higher instance of AFib, for instance, than the general population. A
few of tons of articles.

https://www.runnersworld.com/newswire/heart-risk-marathoners-have-larger-plaques-in-arteries
https://www.active.com/articles/new-study-cites-link-between-marathon-running-and-some-heart-attack-factors

What a subject.
I'm in a quandry at 68.
I still feel great and I'm not going to worry about living a short or long life.
I'm more worried about becoming a miserable old f.than going out a happy younger one.
Maybe it's going to be a fatal flaw but I haven't been for a checkup for 10 years and have no plans to do so for another 10.
My grandparents went this route and quit smoking in their 50's .
I quit in my 30's they all drank a shot of brandy or bourbon a while before bed , which I practice.
They lived into their mid to late 90's
My folks were tied into the medical system with vials of pills and daily pill box doses.
My mom started in her 50's and lived to 63.
My dad didn't start the pill thing until his late 70's and then he had every ailment under the sun until and passed at 87.
I must admit my generation and the younger ones have had a lot more crap chemicals in our food most of our lives.
While yhe 80-100 year olds have not had as much, maybe.
Who knows it's a crap shoot .
So I just shoot for happy and let nature take it's course .
O.K.,so I'm foolishly happy for now!

In any case, I don't care about runners' problems. I couldn't do 7
miles on my best day. And then there's the question, do runners have
more problems or do people with problems become runners. One of the
astronauts fixed his heart problem by going for a run, every time it
acted up he went out and ran and it calmed down. One of my professors
started running _after_ he had a heart attack and worked up to 10
miles a day.

On Sun, 13 May 2018 18:13:05 -0700 (PDT), Rick the antique guy
wrote:

On Sunday, May 13, 2018 at 8:39:20 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 13 May 2018 17:05:35 -0700 (PDT), Rick the antique guy
wrote:

On Sunday, May 13, 2018 at 6:40:00 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 13 May 2018 09:24:58 -0400, J. Clarke
wrote:

On Sun, 13 May 2018 06:07:13 -0700 (PDT), patrick
wrote:

Well, if the splitting of the skin at the nail edge/tip means I have advanced heart disease then I've been going downhill since I was 11 YO (now 67) and it first was noticed... Thanks for the info though. Regards, Pat

One of my coworkers has had that for as long as he can remember. If
he has heart trouble I want the same heart trouble--he runs 7 miles
every morning before work and climbed Everest a few years back.

You might want to reconsider. Remember Jim Fixx? It's not unusual
and in fact, runners have *more* heart issues than those, who are
active but not distance runners. It's known that runners have a
higher instance of AFib, for instance, than the general population. A
few of tons of articles.

https://www.runnersworld.com/newswire/heart-risk-marathoners-have-larger-plaques-in-arteries
https://www.active.com/articles/new-study-cites-link-between-marathon-running-and-some-heart-attack-factors

What a subject.
I'm in a quandry at 68.
I still feel great and I'm not going to worry about living a short or long life.
I'm more worried about becoming a miserable old f.than going out a happy younger one.
Maybe it's going to be a fatal flaw but I haven't been for a checkup for 10 years and have no plans to do so for another 10.
My grandparents went this route and quit smoking in their 50's .
I quit in my 30's they all drank a shot of brandy or bourbon a while before bed , which I practice.
They lived into their mid to late 90's
My folks were tied into the medical system with vials of pills and daily pill box doses.
My mom started in her 50's and lived to 63.
My dad didn't start the pill thing until his late 70's and then he had every ailment under the sun until and passed at 87.
I must admit my generation and the younger ones have had a lot more crap chemicals in our food most of our lives.
While yhe 80-100 year olds have not had as much, maybe.
Who knows it's a crap shoot .
So I just shoot for happy and let nature take it's course .
O.K.,so I'm foolishly happy for now!

Maybe it'll work out for you but I tried it, until I retired (the
first time) in '06 (age 54). Didn't work for me. Right after, I had
a rather severe run-in with A-Fib and heart failure. Got over that
hump fairly well, lost a lot of weight and was doing alright (but
seeing Drs regularly). Then in '14 the A-Fib came back and they found
four blocked coronary arteries (70%, 90% and two 100%), so had a
CABG/MAZE. After the A-Fib got a lot worse (even though the whole
purpose of the MAZE procedure was to stop it). In the last two years
I've had three left-atrial ablations for atypical A-flutter, a carotid
artery angiogram (another scheduled later this year), a fractured
pelvis, and an AV node ablation with pacemaker (but I've been fine for
the three months since ;-).

Getting old isn't for sissies. ...but it does beat the alternative.

I hope pretending that doctors don't exist works out better for you
than it did me. ;-)

Hi K.
Sorry to hear about Your Trials with Health.You are having a raw deal. Really! I Feel for You.You are a Hero in Your own right,just to be Here.
It is as if my dad Has Spoken to me.
Yes: He used to say "Getting old is not for sissies" I never heard it before Him or anyone or again till now.
So all that I can say . Is I hope You as I are happy with the Time we have left. Enjoyment by Loving the Gift of life for NOW.
Thats al we got My fellow Woodie is NOW.
Be well Be swell and Keep a Goin' K

I'm actually doing pretty well right now. Hopefully the pacemaker
either fixed or at least papered over (both, really) the problems.
Last year was the pits but I'm doing a lot better. I walk (*not* run)
15 miles a day, which has helped a lot. It took three years to get
there, though.

BTW, I'm still working. My employer has unbelievably good benefits,
so I'm hanging in there. The work isn't bad, either. ;-) I'd like to
hang on for another couple of years but unfortunately, it leaves no
time for woodworking.

On Sun, 13 May 2018 21:39:56 -0400, J. Clarke
wrote:

On Sun, 13 May 2018 17:05:35 -0700 (PDT), Rick the antique guy
wrote:

On Sunday, May 13, 2018 at 6:40:00 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 13 May 2018 09:24:58 -0400, J. Clarke
wrote:

On Sun, 13 May 2018 06:07:13 -0700 (PDT), patrick
wrote:

Well, if the splitting of the skin at the nail edge/tip means I have advanced heart disease then I've been going downhill since I was 11 YO (now 67) and it first was noticed... Thanks for the info though. Regards, Pat

One of my coworkers has had that for as long as he can remember. If
he has heart trouble I want the same heart trouble--he runs 7 miles
every morning before work and climbed Everest a few years back.

You might want to reconsider. Remember Jim Fixx? It's not unusual
and in fact, runners have *more* heart issues than those, who are
active but not distance runners. It's known that runners have a
higher instance of AFib, for instance, than the general population. A
few of tons of articles.

https://www.runnersworld.com/newswire/heart-risk-marathoners-have-larger-plaques-in-arteries
https://www.active.com/articles/new-study-cites-link-between-marathon-running-and-some-heart-attack-factors

What a subject.
I'm in a quandry at 68.
I still feel great and I'm not going to worry about living a short or long life.
I'm more worried about becoming a miserable old f.than going out a happy younger one.
Maybe it's going to be a fatal flaw but I haven't been for a checkup for 10 years and have no plans to do so for another 10.
My grandparents went this route and quit smoking in their 50's .
I quit in my 30's they all drank a shot of brandy or bourbon a while before bed , which I practice.
They lived into their mid to late 90's
My folks were tied into the medical system with vials of pills and daily pill box doses.
My mom started in her 50's and lived to 63.
My dad didn't start the pill thing until his late 70's and then he had every ailment under the sun until and passed at 87.
I must admit my generation and the younger ones have had a lot more crap chemicals in our food most of our lives.
While yhe 80-100 year olds have not had as much, maybe.
Who knows it's a crap shoot .
So I just shoot for happy and let nature take it's course .
O.K.,so I'm foolishly happy for now!

In any case, I don't care about runners' problems. I couldn't do 7
miles on my best day. And then there's the question, do runners have
more problems or do people with problems become runners.

That's been answered. Endurance sports definitely cause heart issues.

One of the astronauts fixed his heart problem by going for a run, every time it
acted up he went out and ran and it calmed down.

I'd like to know more.

One of my professors
started running _after_ he had a heart attack and worked up to 10
miles a day.

There's no reason one can't come back after a mild heart attack. As I
said in another post, I've worked up from no stamina at all and bypass
surgery to walking 15 miles a day. I don't run, though (my knees/feet
wouldn't approve). I'll likely have to cut back over the next few
weeks. I have things that I need to get done and my walking takes a
lot of time.

On Sunday, May 13, 2018 at 10:43:35 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 13 May 2018 21:39:56 -0400, J. Clarke
wrote:

On Sun, 13 May 2018 17:05:35 -0700 (PDT), Rick the antique guy
wrote:

On Sunday, May 13, 2018 at 6:40:00 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 13 May 2018 09:24:58 -0400, J. Clarke
wrote:

On Sun, 13 May 2018 06:07:13 -0700 (PDT), patrick
wrote:

Well, if the splitting of the skin at the nail edge/tip means I have advanced heart disease then I've been going downhill since I was 11 YO (now 67) and it first was noticed... Thanks for the info though. Regards, Pat

One of my coworkers has had that for as long as he can remember. If
he has heart trouble I want the same heart trouble--he runs 7 miles
every morning before work and climbed Everest a few years back.

You might want to reconsider. Remember Jim Fixx? It's not unusual
and in fact, runners have *more* heart issues than those, who are
active but not distance runners. It's known that runners have a
higher instance of AFib, for instance, than the general population. A
few of tons of articles.

https://www.runnersworld.com/newswire/heart-risk-marathoners-have-larger-plaques-in-arteries
https://www.active.com/articles/new-study-cites-link-between-marathon-running-and-some-heart-attack-factors

What a subject.
I'm in a quandry at 68.
I still feel great and I'm not going to worry about living a short or long life.
I'm more worried about becoming a miserable old f.than going out a happy younger one.
Maybe it's going to be a fatal flaw but I haven't been for a checkup for 10 years and have no plans to do so for another 10.
My grandparents went this route and quit smoking in their 50's .
I quit in my 30's they all drank a shot of brandy or bourbon a while before bed , which I practice.
They lived into their mid to late 90's
My folks were tied into the medical system with vials of pills and daily pill box doses.
My mom started in her 50's and lived to 63.
My dad didn't start the pill thing until his late 70's and then he had every ailment under the sun until and passed at 87.
I must admit my generation and the younger ones have had a lot more crap chemicals in our food most of our lives.
While yhe 80-100 year olds have not had as much, maybe.
Who knows it's a crap shoot .
So I just shoot for happy and let nature take it's course .
O.K.,so I'm foolishly happy for now!

In any case, I don't care about runners' problems. I couldn't do 7
miles on my best day. And then there's the question, do runners have
more problems or do people with problems become runners.

That's been answered. Endurance sports definitely cause heart issues.

One of the astronauts fixed his heart problem by going for a run, every time it
acted up he went out and ran and it calmed down.

I'd like to know more.

One of my professors
started running _after_ he had a heart attack and worked up to 10
miles a day.

There's no reason one can't come back after a mild heart attack. As I
said in another post, I've worked up from no stamina at all and bypass
surgery to walking 15 miles a day. I don't run, though (my knees/feet
wouldn't approve). I'll likely have to cut back over the next few
weeks. I have things that I need to get done and my walking takes a
lot of time.

I'm glad You are doing Better K after all those trials.
I never intend to preach against Modern medicine.
I have just made my own personal stand to avoid it until there is no other way out.
All I can preach is try to be happy as long as it is possible.
When faced with Death,Mourning,serious Illness or disaster; happiness becomes almost impossible.
That's why personally speaking for myself and not preaching,I will count my blessings from my God. When that stuff strikes I hope to lean on that same God when it does.
rick B.

On 2018-05-13, wrote:

You might want to reconsider. Remember Jim Fixx?

Wasn't he the guy who single-handidly started the running craze --he
wrote some book-- yet died of a heart attack before he reached fifty
yrs. of age?

Besides, everyone and their dog has climbed Everest. Blind ppl,
cripples. ex-Hell Angels, etc. It's a regular freeway to the summit.
Heck, pay enough and someone will carry you up Everest!

Now, K2......

nb

On 14 May 2018 19:27:38 GMT, notbob wrote:

On 2018-05-13, wrote:

You might want to reconsider. Remember Jim Fixx?

Wasn't he the guy who single-handidly started the running craze --he
wrote some book-- yet died of a heart attack before he reached fifty
yrs. of age?

Besides, everyone and their dog has climbed Everest. Blind ppl,
cripples. ex-Hell Angels, etc. It's a regular freeway to the summit.
Heck, pay enough and someone will carry you up Everest!

Now, K2......

Let's see you do either.

nb

On Mon, 14 May 2018 07:26:30 -0700 (PDT), Rick the antique guy
wrote:

On Sunday, May 13, 2018 at 10:43:35 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 13 May 2018 21:39:56 -0400, J. Clarke
wrote:

On Sun, 13 May 2018 17:05:35 -0700 (PDT), Rick the antique guy
wrote:

On Sunday, May 13, 2018 at 6:40:00 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 13 May 2018 09:24:58 -0400, J. Clarke
wrote:

On Sun, 13 May 2018 06:07:13 -0700 (PDT), patrick
wrote:

Well, if the splitting of the skin at the nail edge/tip means I have advanced heart disease then I've been going downhill since I was 11 YO (now 67) and it first was noticed... Thanks for the info though. Regards, Pat

One of my coworkers has had that for as long as he can remember. If
he has heart trouble I want the same heart trouble--he runs 7 miles
every morning before work and climbed Everest a few years back.

You might want to reconsider. Remember Jim Fixx? It's not unusual
and in fact, runners have *more* heart issues than those, who are
active but not distance runners. It's known that runners have a
higher instance of AFib, for instance, than the general population. A
few of tons of articles.

https://www.runnersworld.com/newswire/heart-risk-marathoners-have-larger-plaques-in-arteries
https://www.active.com/articles/new-study-cites-link-between-marathon-running-and-some-heart-attack-factors

What a subject.
I'm in a quandry at 68.
I still feel great and I'm not going to worry about living a short or long life.
I'm more worried about becoming a miserable old f.than going out a happy younger one.
Maybe it's going to be a fatal flaw but I haven't been for a checkup for 10 years and have no plans to do so for another 10.
My grandparents went this route and quit smoking in their 50's .
I quit in my 30's they all drank a shot of brandy or bourbon a while before bed , which I practice.
They lived into their mid to late 90's
My folks were tied into the medical system with vials of pills and daily pill box doses.
My mom started in her 50's and lived to 63.
My dad didn't start the pill thing until his late 70's and then he had every ailment under the sun until and passed at 87.
I must admit my generation and the younger ones have had a lot more crap chemicals in our food most of our lives.
While yhe 80-100 year olds have not had as much, maybe.
Who knows it's a crap shoot .
So I just shoot for happy and let nature take it's course .
O.K.,so I'm foolishly happy for now!

In any case, I don't care about runners' problems. I couldn't do 7
miles on my best day. And then there's the question, do runners have
more problems or do people with problems become runners.

That's been answered. Endurance sports definitely cause heart issues.

One of the astronauts fixed his heart problem by going for a run, every time it
acted up he went out and ran and it calmed down.

I'd like to know more.

One of my professors
started running _after_ he had a heart attack and worked up to 10
miles a day.

There's no reason one can't come back after a mild heart attack. As I
said in another post, I've worked up from no stamina at all and bypass
surgery to walking 15 miles a day. I don't run, though (my knees/feet
wouldn't approve). I'll likely have to cut back over the next few
weeks. I have things that I need to get done and my walking takes a
lot of time.

I'm glad You are doing Better K after all those trials.

Thank you. Nothing's perfect but I'm a lot better than I was last
year.

I never intend to preach against Modern medicine.

As long as you don't mind the counter-preaching. ;-) I was where you
are (though younger) and then it all started coming apart.

I have just made my own personal stand to avoid it until there is no other way out.

I hear ya! However, I got lucky and survived my obstinance.

All I can preach is try to be happy as long as it is possible.
When faced with Death,Mourning,serious Illness or disaster; happiness becomes almost impossible.
That's why personally speaking for myself and not preaching,I will count my blessings from my God. When that stuff strikes I hope to lean on that same God when it does.
rick B.

I've never had a problem with happiness. Why would anyone want to
live their life any other way?

On 14 May 2018 19:27:38 GMT, notbob wrote:

On 2018-05-13, wrote:

You might want to reconsider. Remember Jim Fixx?

Wasn't he the guy who single-handidly started the running craze --he
wrote some book-- yet died of a heart attack before he reached fifty
yrs. of age?

Yes.

Besides, everyone and their dog has climbed Everest. Blind ppl,
cripples. ex-Hell Angels, etc. It's a regular freeway to the summit.
Heck, pay enough and someone will carry you up Everest!

Yeah, ever since Hillary's namesake did it, there's no challenge there
anymore. ;-)

Now, K2......

On Sunday, May 13, 2018 at 11:25:01 AM UTC-5, Unquestionably Confused wrote:


Any cites on that, Sonny?


Getting back after some delay.... I take care of Mom Sunday evenings through Monday evenings and this weekend I went earlier, for Mom's Day.

No, I didn't/don't have a link. My field is/was orthopedics. Even when I had my stroke and heart attacks, I was ignorant about some related things and I asked my treating physicians specific questions. Having some medical insight, I was/am in a position, more so than the average patient, to ask specific questions.

Stand-alone symptoms, like split nails, raised ridges on the nails, line-like streaks on the nails, can be signs of vitamin deficiency. Again, one needs a complete exam, to carefully consider other issues that may contribute to, otherwise, not-readily-seen indications and/or relate symptoms.

One thing heart attack patients should ask their Dr.: How much damage (%) has been done to my heart muscle? To give you some idea of what that means, i.e., a comparison that you may be more apt to understand, consider this: If your biceps muscle is 10% damaged, what effect does this have on your, otherwise, normal use of that muscle? A weakened heart muscle should be babied, so we have to be careful with our subsequent activities.

I had a mild stroke at age 49..... in 2002, obligated/forced to retire. Subsequently have had 2 heart attacks. I haven't kept up, in detail, with all medical updates, etc., etc., even in my field. A few days ago, I felt the need(?) to volunteer my comments, here. They were't meant to foster a possible "scare tactic" scenario, but meant to be more informative.

Also, it is never wrong or improper to get second opinions!!!! Especially with serious issues. No physician, that I know, would be insulted, if a patient suggests getting a second opinion.

Sonny

A few general comments about, otherwise, healthy people having heart attacks: I and others think there is common sense relevance to these comments/assumptions.

Athletes think they are invincible, to some extent. If you are in, seemingly, good shape, then you have nothing to worry about, medically.

Some of these folks don't recognize some symptoms/issues that are suggestive or serious. They may experience mild(?) symptoms, but dismiss them... they are part and party to rigorous training; No pain, no gain mentality.

I played college ball. I had this macho mentality. Until age 40, I was playing pickup games at the local gyms. I was in great shape.... so I thought. No family history of heart disease, etc., etc.

I had my first heart attack while mowing grass. Unlike an average person, I recognized the symptoms, stopped mowing and drove myself to the nearest hospital.

Another athlete having a heart attack is Pete Maravich.

Sonny

On 5/15/2018 8:20 AM, Sonny wrote:
On Sunday, May 13, 2018 at 11:25:01 AM UTC-5, Unquestionably Confused wrote:


Any cites on that, Sonny?


Getting back after some delay.... I take care of Mom Sunday evenings through Monday evenings and this weekend I went earlier, for Mom's Day.

No, I didn't/don't have a link. My field is/was orthopedics. Even when I had my stroke and heart attacks, I was ignorant about some related things and I asked my treating physicians specific questions. Having some medical insight, I was/am in a position, more so than the average patient, to ask specific questions.

Stand-alone symptoms, like split nails, raised ridges on the nails, line-like streaks on the nails, can be signs of vitamin deficiency. Again, one needs a complete exam, to carefully consider other issues that may contribute to, otherwise, not-readily-seen indications and/or relate symptoms.

One thing heart attack patients should ask their Dr.: How much damage (%) has been done to my heart muscle? To give you some idea of what that means, i.e., a comparison that you may be more apt to understand, consider this: If your biceps muscle is 10% damaged, what effect does this have on your, otherwise, normal use of that muscle? A weakened heart muscle should be babied, so we have to be careful with our subsequent activities.

I had a mild stroke at age 49..... in 2002, obligated/forced to retire. Subsequently have had 2 heart attacks. I haven't kept up, in detail, with all medical updates, etc., etc., even in my field. A few days ago, I felt the need(?) to volunteer my comments, here. They were't meant to foster a possible "scare tactic" scenario, but meant to be more informative.

Also, it is never wrong or improper to get second opinions!!!! Especially with serious issues. No physician, that I know, would be insulted, if a patient suggests getting a second opinion.

Sonny


Thanks for the candid response, Sonny. I hope that I made it plain that
I was merely interested in sources rather than being critical. I know
that there are specific relationships between things such as clubbing of
the fingertips and heart disease. Many of these "signs" can also be
linked to other, sometimes more benign, causes. The old medical (I
think) adage "when you hear hoof beats, look for horses, not zebras"
remains valid but it doesn't mean that there AREN'T zebras out there.
I'd never heard of the link between splitting nails or lines in the nail
being linked to heart disease. In my brief research since your post, I
seen linkage of these symptoms to other causes but nothing much in the
way of heart disease.

On Thu, 10 May 2018 21:56:32 -0500
Unquestionably Confused wrote:

Not a bandage, per se, but a waterproof, rubberized tape that is
slicker than greased owl ****.

will look for this
sounds good

On Thu, 10 May 2018 13:02:45 -0700
pyotr filipivich wrote:

What brand are you using?
Which brand were you using?

no idea
the ones i ran out of were a cloth type and stuck on for a long time

the new ones are different varieties of crap

one is a stiff plastic and comes off in minutes of any movement
might be okay on the arm or leg but doubt it

other one is cloth but will not stick to itself
so you wrap it around a finger and overlap and try to stick to the
cloth and it comes off



I kept a roll of micropore tape to close up the small nicks.

will look for this
sounds familiar

On Sat, 12 May 2018 05:03:35 -0700 (PDT)
patrick wrote:

for a while. The last brand I bought (multiroll pack 12 rolls/pack)
"bantex" cohesive gauze by brasel products, turns out to be pretty
waterproof. I've recently (effen aging process) developed trigger

will look for this one

most here have not bothered with pre made bandages and use
some kind of tape

Try Liquid bandages, AKA "New Skin" I believe. Hurts on initial contact due to alcohol content, but does a nice job on superficial scratches/cuts...

On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 3:14:58 PM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote:
On Sat, 12 May 2018 05:03:35 -0700 (PDT)
patrick wrote:

for a while. The last brand I bought (multiroll pack 12 rolls/pack)
"bantex" cohesive gauze by brasel products, turns out to be pretty
waterproof. I've recently (effen aging process) developed trigger

will look for this one

most here have not bothered with pre made bandages and use
some kind of tape

Electric Comet on Tue, 15 May 2018
12:07:18 -0700 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
On Thu, 10 May 2018 13:02:45 -0700
pyotr filipivich wrote:
What brand are you using?
Which brand were you using?

no idea
the ones i ran out of were a cloth type and stuck on for a long time

I hate it when that happens. B-)

the new ones are different varieties of crap

one is a stiff plastic and comes off in minutes of any movement
might be okay on the arm or leg but doubt it

other one is cloth but will not stick to itself
so you wrap it around a finger and overlap and try to stick to the
cloth and it comes off



I kept a roll of micropore tape to close up the small nicks.

will look for this
sounds familiar

You can also use it to keep the bandaids closed.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

On Thu, 10 May 2018 11:18:16 -0700, Electric Comet
wrote:

i use them from time to time but have found the quality has gone down

i had a large stock but the replacements are not as good

anyone find a bandage that will stay put even if it gets wet

these new ones come off even from sweat

I've found the plastic ones don't come off nearly as easily as fabric.
Of course, that's not always a feature so I keep both around. The
fabric ones are more comfortable, usually, but don't stick well to
skin. They stick well to themselves, so are good for fingers and toes
and where it stays dry. I get a lot of blisters on my toes (blister
- scab over - callous - callous peels - repeat), so go through a
fair number of them.