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have been satsified with my bosch jigsaw
but it would really benefit from having a light not sure why there is no light it would not add much to the cost and it would be really helpful also annoying to have to blow out the dust so it would be another useful feature to have a nozzle to blow out the dust otherwise it is a great tool the quick blade change is excellent as is the blade angle of cut adjustment |
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Electric Comet wrote in news
![]() @dont-email.me: have been satsified with my bosch jigsaw but it would really benefit from having a light not sure why there is no light it would not add much to the cost and it would be really helpful also annoying to have to blow out the dust so it would be another useful feature to have a nozzle to blow out the dust otherwise it is a great tool the quick blade change is excellent as is the blade angle of cut adjustment Someone must own a patent somewhere... Although I'd consider it obvious to anyone in the industry: An integrated light shining on the working area of the tool. IIRC, my 1590 does have a blower... it's good enough. It's the switch with two positions. Puckdropper -- http://www.puckdroppersplace.us/rec.woodworking A mini archive of some of rec.woodworking's best and worst! |
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On Friday, December 23, 2016 at 10:56:46 AM UTC-6, Electric Comet wrote:
have been satsified with my bosch jigsaw but it would really benefit from having a light it would be another useful feature to have a nozzle to blow out the dust I see you are talking about these brand new high faluting jigsaws with all these fancy dandy luxuries. Wow. My Bosch is about 20 years old now. Good top handle design. These lights and blower things had not been invented back then. |
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FrozenNorth wrote in
news ![]() Mine has a hand crank, if I want a light, there are always candles. It must have taken quite some time to get your hand steady enough to follow the line while cranking. Puckdropper -- http://www.puckdroppersplace.us/rec.woodworking A mini archive of some of rec.woodworking's best and worst! |
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On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 11:53:31 -0800 (PST)
" wrote: I see you are talking about these brand new high faluting jigsaws with all these fancy dandy luxuries. Wow. My Bosch is about 20 years old now. Good top handle design. These lights and blower things had not been invented back then. good to know this one comes from good lineage the cordless makita drill and driver have lights and it is a very useful feature |
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On Friday, December 23, 2016 at 4:25:04 PM UTC-6, Electric Comet wrote:
On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 11:53:31 -0800 (PST) " wrote: I see you are talking about these brand new high faluting jigsaws with all these fancy dandy luxuries. Wow. My Bosch is about 20 years old now. Good top handle design. These lights and blower things had not been invented back then. good to know this one comes from good lineage the cordless makita drill and driver have lights and it is a very useful feature Cordless drills (drills, not drivers) had been invented when I bought my Bosch jigsaw. On drills lights make sense because you can and do drill when you do not have a good site line to what you are drilling. And drill in small enclosed spaces with poor visibility. But jigsaws are usually used where you can see what you are cutting and follow the line. With drills you are laying on your belly with your arm stretched out and drilling a hole or driving a screw. You don't operate jigsaws like that. So lights on jigsaws make just a little more sense than lights on circular saws. Do people want lights on their worm drive Skilsaw? |
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On 23 Dec 2016 19:20:22 GMT, Puckdropper
puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote: Electric Comet wrote in news ![]() : have been satsified with my bosch jigsaw but it would really benefit from having a light not sure why there is no light it would not add much to the cost and it would be really helpful also annoying to have to blow out the dust so it would be another useful feature to have a nozzle to blow out the dust otherwise it is a great tool the quick blade change is excellent as is the blade angle of cut adjustment Someone must own a patent somewhere... Although I'd consider it obvious to anyone in the industry: An integrated light shining on the working area of the tool. IIRC, the Festool has a strobe light. That's a different and useful idea (i.e. patentable). IIRC, my 1590 does have a blower... it's good enough. It's the switch with two positions. Sucking is better than blowing. |
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On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 15:08:24 -0800 (PST), "
wrote: On Friday, December 23, 2016 at 4:25:04 PM UTC-6, Electric Comet wrote: On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 11:53:31 -0800 (PST) " wrote: I see you are talking about these brand new high faluting jigsaws with all these fancy dandy luxuries. Wow. My Bosch is about 20 years old now. Good top handle design. These lights and blower things had not been invented back then. good to know this one comes from good lineage the cordless makita drill and driver have lights and it is a very useful feature Cordless drills (drills, not drivers) had been invented when I bought my Bosch jigsaw. On drills lights make sense because you can and do drill when you do not have a good site line to what you are drilling. And drill in small enclosed spaces with poor visibility. But jigsaws are usually used where you can see what you are cutting and follow the line. With drills you are laying on your belly with your arm stretched out and drilling a hole or driving a screw. You don't operate jigsaws like that. So lights on jigsaws make just a little more sense than lights on circular saws. Do people want lights on their worm drive Skilsaw? Sure. All light helps. |
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On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 15:08:24 -0800 (PST)
" wrote: don't operate jigsaws like that. So lights on jigsaws make just a little more sense than lights on circular saws. Do people want lights on their worm drive Skilsaw? that would be useful also anything to improve visibility is good maybe wearing hunting glasses will help as for blowing the dust they could use the wind coming from the motor on the jigsaw and from the blade on the skilsaw and direct it at the leading edge |
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On 12/23/2016 8:23 PM, krw wrote:
On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 15:08:24 -0800 (PST), " wrote: On Friday, December 23, 2016 at 4:25:04 PM UTC-6, Electric Comet wrote: On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 11:53:31 -0800 (PST) " wrote: I see you are talking about these brand new high faluting jigsaws with all these fancy dandy luxuries. Wow. My Bosch is about 20 years old now. Good top handle design. These lights and blower things had not been invented back then. good to know this one comes from good lineage the cordless makita drill and driver have lights and it is a very useful feature Cordless drills (drills, not drivers) had been invented when I bought my Bosch jigsaw. On drills lights make sense because you can and do drill when you do not have a good site line to what you are drilling. And drill in small enclosed spaces with poor visibility. But jigsaws are usually used where you can see what you are cutting and follow the line. With drills you are laying on your belly with your arm stretched out and drilling a hole or driving a screw. You don't operate jigsaws like that. So lights on jigsaws make just a little more sense than lights on circular saws. Do people want lights on their worm drive Skilsaw? Sure. All light helps. Yep. I had a Crapsman router that came with a very useful light. Made it much easier to watch the bit work its way out of the chuck. |
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On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 21:52:52 -0500, Larry Kraus
wrote: On 12/23/2016 8:23 PM, krw wrote: On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 15:08:24 -0800 (PST), " wrote: On Friday, December 23, 2016 at 4:25:04 PM UTC-6, Electric Comet wrote: On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 11:53:31 -0800 (PST) " wrote: I see you are talking about these brand new high faluting jigsaws with all these fancy dandy luxuries. Wow. My Bosch is about 20 years old now. Good top handle design. These lights and blower things had not been invented back then. good to know this one comes from good lineage the cordless makita drill and driver have lights and it is a very useful feature Cordless drills (drills, not drivers) had been invented when I bought my Bosch jigsaw. On drills lights make sense because you can and do drill when you do not have a good site line to what you are drilling. And drill in small enclosed spaces with poor visibility. But jigsaws are usually used where you can see what you are cutting and follow the line. With drills you are laying on your belly with your arm stretched out and drilling a hole or driving a screw. You don't operate jigsaws like that. So lights on jigsaws make just a little more sense than lights on circular saws. Do people want lights on their worm drive Skilsaw? Sure. All light helps. Yep. I had a Crapsman router that came with a very useful light. Made it much easier to watch the bit work its way out of the chuck. LOL! Makes perfect sense. |
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" wrote in
: Cordless drills (drills, not drivers) had been invented when I bought my Bosch jigsaw. On drills lights make sense because you can and do drill when you do not have a good site line to what you are drilling. And drill in small enclosed spaces with poor visibility. But jigsaws are usually used where you can see what you are cutting and follow the line. With drills you are laying on your belly with your arm stretched out and drilling a hole or driving a screw. You don't operate jigsaws like that. So lights on jigsaws make just a little more sense than lights on circular saws. Do people want lights on their worm drive Skilsaw? YES!!!!!!! I'm young, I've got good low-light vision. I don't need much light, but a single LED on either side of the blade would be nice when I'm trying to freehand a cut. The saw casts a shadow, I cast a shadow, sometimes that line gets to be rather dark. Puckdropper -- http://www.puckdroppersplace.us/rec.woodworking A mini archive of some of rec.woodworking's best and worst! |
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krw wrote in news:3bjr5cp3effcbmilim0g15lp1ii5857lcn@
4ax.com: On 23 Dec 2016 19:20:22 GMT, Puckdropper puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote: *trim* IIRC, my 1590 does have a blower... it's good enough. It's the switch with two positions. Sucking is better than blowing. Not always. (Do you like to argue?) Try this experiment (Bill Pentz came up with it): Take a ping pong ball and two straws. One person can only blow through the straw and the other can only suck. Try to get the ball to go out of a circle or into an area. The person blowing will win every game. If you need to see a line, a blower can be more efficient than trying to suck the dust away. Puckdropper -- http://www.puckdroppersplace.us/rec.woodworking A mini archive of some of rec.woodworking's best and worst! |
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In article 585e0f07$0$7342$c3e8da3
, Puckdropper says... krw wrote in news:3bjr5cp3effcbmilim0g15lp1ii5857lcn@ 4ax.com: On 23 Dec 2016 19:20:22 GMT, Puckdropper puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote: *trim* IIRC, my 1590 does have a blower... it's good enough. It's the switch with two positions. Sucking is better than blowing. Not always. (Do you like to argue?) Try this experiment (Bill Pentz came up with it): Take a ping pong ball and two straws. One person can only blow through the straw and the other can only suck. Try to get the ball to go out of a circle or into an area. The person blowing will win every game. If you need to see a line, a blower can be more efficient than trying to suck the dust away. Puckdropper And if you're cutting steel with a lubricant (which Bosch saws will do--the old ones even had a powered lubricant dispenser accessory available that was driven by the saw) do you really want to be sucking the lubricant and chips into the mechanism? Of course you can always go green, but even green doesn't suck with the saw's mechanism, they just provide a dust port to which a (preferably green) vacuum can be attached. |
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On 24 Dec 2016 06:00:39 GMT, Puckdropper
puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote: krw wrote in news:3bjr5cp3effcbmilim0g15lp1ii5857lcn@ 4ax.com: On 23 Dec 2016 19:20:22 GMT, Puckdropper puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote: *trim* IIRC, my 1590 does have a blower... it's good enough. It's the switch with two positions. Sucking is better than blowing. Not always. (Do you like to argue?) Try this experiment (Bill Pentz came up with it): Take a ping pong ball and two straws. One person can only blow through the straw and the other can only suck. Try to get the ball to go out of a circle or into an area. The person blowing will win every game. Well, if you're into balls... ;-) If you need to see a line, a blower can be more efficient than trying to suck the dust away. But then you have to suck it away later. Except for the bigger tail, I find the vacuum much better. |
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On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 07:25:58 -0500, "J. Clarke"
wrote: In article 585e0f07$0$7342$c3e8da3 , Puckdropper says... krw wrote in news:3bjr5cp3effcbmilim0g15lp1ii5857lcn@ 4ax.com: On 23 Dec 2016 19:20:22 GMT, Puckdropper puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote: *trim* IIRC, my 1590 does have a blower... it's good enough. It's the switch with two positions. Sucking is better than blowing. Not always. (Do you like to argue?) Try this experiment (Bill Pentz came up with it): Take a ping pong ball and two straws. One person can only blow through the straw and the other can only suck. Try to get the ball to go out of a circle or into an area. The person blowing will win every game. If you need to see a line, a blower can be more efficient than trying to suck the dust away. Puckdropper And if you're cutting steel with a lubricant (which Bosch saws will do--the old ones even had a powered lubricant dispenser accessory available that was driven by the saw) do you really want to be sucking the lubricant and chips into the mechanism? Into the mechanism? I don't think you want to blow it around the room, either. Of course you can always go green, but even green doesn't suck with the saw's mechanism, they just provide a dust port to which a (preferably green) vacuum can be attached. Sure. I wouldn't want to steal power from the saw for the vacuum, nor would I want to control but the saw and the vacuum. |
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On 12/24/2016 12:55 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
I'm young, I've got good low-light vision. I don't need much light, but a single LED on either side of the blade would be nice when I'm trying to freehand a cut. The saw casts a shadow, I cast a shadow, sometimes that line gets to be rather dark. For free hand cutting long lines, the saw needs a laser light to mark the line. A laser makes it super simple to follow a line for even a beginner. If you go off the line a tad, it is immediately obvious. All circular saws should have a laser light. -- Jack Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life. http://jbstein.com |
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On 12/23/2016 7:21 PM, krw wrote:
On 23 Dec 2016 19:20:22 GMT, Puckdropper puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote: Electric Comet wrote in news ![]() @dont-email.me: have been satsified with my bosch jigsaw but it would really benefit from having a light not sure why there is no light it would not add much to the cost and it would be really helpful also annoying to have to blow out the dust so it would be another useful feature to have a nozzle to blow out the dust otherwise it is a great tool the quick blade change is excellent as is the blade angle of cut adjustment Someone must own a patent somewhere... Although I'd consider it obvious to anyone in the industry: An integrated light shining on the working area of the tool. IIRC, the Festool has a strobe light. That's a different and useful idea (i.e. patentable). I have often wondered why a strobe and how that would be useful. Do you know or have a clue? I do know that the latest strobe light Festool jig saw was delayed for sale in the US, IIRC it had something to do with the strobe making the blade appear to be not moving up and down. IIRC, my 1590 does have a blower... it's good enough. It's the switch with two positions. Sucking is better than blowing. |
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On 12/24/2016 12:00 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
krw wrote in news:3bjr5cp3effcbmilim0g15lp1ii5857lcn@ 4ax.com: On 23 Dec 2016 19:20:22 GMT, Puckdropper puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote: *trim* IIRC, my 1590 does have a blower... it's good enough. It's the switch with two positions. Sucking is better than blowing. Not always. (Do you like to argue?) Try this experiment (Bill Pentz came up with it): Take a ping pong ball and two straws. One person can only blow through the straw and the other can only suck. Try to get the ball to go out of a circle or into an area. The person blowing will win every game. If you need to see a line, a blower can be more efficient than trying to suck the dust away. Puckdropper Maybe for moving ping pong balls. ;~) In this instance I would rather the debris be removed at the source rather than blowing it all over the area. FWIW my Milwaukee jig saw has a blower and it blows. Works much better with the shop vac attached and running. |
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krw wrote in
: On 24 Dec 2016 06:00:39 GMT, Puckdropper puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote: *trim* If you need to see a line, a blower can be more efficient than trying to suck the dust away. But then you have to suck it away later. Except for the bigger tail, I find the vacuum much better. The Bosch blower doesn't have a tail, and only moves the dust just far enough away you can see the line. You'll still have to sweep or vacuum it up later, but a jigsaw with giant hose would be rather cumbersome. Puckdropper -- http://www.puckdroppersplace.us/rec.woodworking A mini archive of some of rec.woodworking's best and worst! |
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On 24 Dec 2016 18:12:14 GMT, Puckdropper
puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote: krw wrote in : On 24 Dec 2016 06:00:39 GMT, Puckdropper puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote: *trim* If you need to see a line, a blower can be more efficient than trying to suck the dust away. But then you have to suck it away later. Except for the bigger tail, I find the vacuum much better. The Bosch blower doesn't have a tail, and only moves the dust just far enough away you can see the line. You'll still have to sweep or vacuum it up later, but a jigsaw with giant hose would be rather cumbersome. I haven't tried it but wouldn't automatically discount it. I thought a vacuum on a router would be cumbersome, too, but it's easier than cleaning up afterwards. |
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On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 11:49:32 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 12/23/2016 7:21 PM, krw wrote: On 23 Dec 2016 19:20:22 GMT, Puckdropper puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote: Electric Comet wrote in news ![]() @dont-email.me: have been satsified with my bosch jigsaw but it would really benefit from having a light not sure why there is no light it would not add much to the cost and it would be really helpful also annoying to have to blow out the dust so it would be another useful feature to have a nozzle to blow out the dust otherwise it is a great tool the quick blade change is excellent as is the blade angle of cut adjustment Someone must own a patent somewhere... Although I'd consider it obvious to anyone in the industry: An integrated light shining on the working area of the tool. IIRC, the Festool has a strobe light. That's a different and useful idea (i.e. patentable). I have often wondered why a strobe and how that would be useful. Do you know or have a clue? I do know that the latest strobe light Festool jig saw was delayed for sale in the US, IIRC it had something to do with the strobe making the blade appear to be not moving up and down. Probably because American lawyers will convince juries that a blade that looks like it's not moving is "dangerous". I think the idea of the "stopped" blade is that one can see where the teeth are (they're doing the cutting, after all). |
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On 12/24/2016 1:35 PM, krw wrote:
On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 11:49:32 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 12/23/2016 7:21 PM, krw wrote: On 23 Dec 2016 19:20:22 GMT, Puckdropper puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote: Electric Comet wrote in news ![]() @dont-email.me: have been satsified with my bosch jigsaw but it would really benefit from having a light not sure why there is no light it would not add much to the cost and it would be really helpful also annoying to have to blow out the dust so it would be another useful feature to have a nozzle to blow out the dust otherwise it is a great tool the quick blade change is excellent as is the blade angle of cut adjustment Someone must own a patent somewhere... Although I'd consider it obvious to anyone in the industry: An integrated light shining on the working area of the tool. IIRC, the Festool has a strobe light. That's a different and useful idea (i.e. patentable). I have often wondered why a strobe and how that would be useful. Do you know or have a clue? I do know that the latest strobe light Festool jig saw was delayed for sale in the US, IIRC it had something to do with the strobe making the blade appear to be not moving up and down. Probably because American lawyers will convince juries that a blade that looks like it's not moving is "dangerous". I think the idea of the "stopped" blade is that one can see where the teeth are (they're doing the cutting, after all). Understood but really, I know where the teeth are, what difference does it make to see the teeth? |
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On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 23:52:57 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 12/24/2016 1:35 PM, krw wrote: On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 11:49:32 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 12/23/2016 7:21 PM, krw wrote: On 23 Dec 2016 19:20:22 GMT, Puckdropper puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote: Electric Comet wrote in news ![]() @dont-email.me: have been satsified with my bosch jigsaw but it would really benefit from having a light not sure why there is no light it would not add much to the cost and it would be really helpful also annoying to have to blow out the dust so it would be another useful feature to have a nozzle to blow out the dust otherwise it is a great tool the quick blade change is excellent as is the blade angle of cut adjustment Someone must own a patent somewhere... Although I'd consider it obvious to anyone in the industry: An integrated light shining on the working area of the tool. IIRC, the Festool has a strobe light. That's a different and useful idea (i.e. patentable). I have often wondered why a strobe and how that would be useful. Do you know or have a clue? I do know that the latest strobe light Festool jig saw was delayed for sale in the US, IIRC it had something to do with the strobe making the blade appear to be not moving up and down. Probably because American lawyers will convince juries that a blade that looks like it's not moving is "dangerous". I think the idea of the "stopped" blade is that one can see where the teeth are (they're doing the cutting, after all). Understood but really, I know where the teeth are, what difference does it make to see the teeth? So you can see where the cut will be, rather than where it was? |
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On 12/25/2016 7:41 AM, krw wrote:
On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 23:52:57 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 12/24/2016 1:35 PM, krw wrote: On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 11:49:32 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 12/23/2016 7:21 PM, krw wrote: On 23 Dec 2016 19:20:22 GMT, Puckdropper puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote: Electric Comet wrote in news ![]() @dont-email.me: have been satsified with my bosch jigsaw but it would really benefit from having a light not sure why there is no light it would not add much to the cost and it would be really helpful also annoying to have to blow out the dust so it would be another useful feature to have a nozzle to blow out the dust otherwise it is a great tool the quick blade change is excellent as is the blade angle of cut adjustment Someone must own a patent somewhere... Although I'd consider it obvious to anyone in the industry: An integrated light shining on the working area of the tool. IIRC, the Festool has a strobe light. That's a different and useful idea (i.e. patentable). I have often wondered why a strobe and how that would be useful. Do you know or have a clue? I do know that the latest strobe light Festool jig saw was delayed for sale in the US, IIRC it had something to do with the strobe making the blade appear to be not moving up and down. Probably because American lawyers will convince juries that a blade that looks like it's not moving is "dangerous". I think the idea of the "stopped" blade is that one can see where the teeth are (they're doing the cutting, after all). Understood but really, I know where the teeth are, what difference does it make to see the teeth? So you can see where the cut will be, rather than where it was? LOL. I think it is probably like a laser on a DP. Perhaps if I used one I might see the advantage. |
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On 2016-12-25, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:
Understood but really, I know where the teeth are, what difference does it make to see the teeth? Agree. A strobe light makes little sense. I'd much rather have some sorta sawdust blower on my blowerless/lightless DeWalt jig saw. A lotta folks have weighed in on how blowers are of little help. It's still gotta be better than trying to maintain a wheezing "puff" with my geezer lungs. ![]() nb |
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On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 11:49:32 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: IIRC, the Festool has a strobe light. That's a different and useful idea (i.e. patentable). I have often wondered why a strobe and how that would be useful. Do you know or have a clue? I do know that the latest strobe light Festool jig saw was delayed for sale in the US, IIRC it had something to do with the strobe making the blade appear to be not moving up and down. Check and see if it stop motions the teeth, would it make possible to see a broken tooth? Those Germans tend to engineer thing out to infinity. |
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On 12/27/2016 3:39 PM, Markem wrote:
On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 11:49:32 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: IIRC, the Festool has a strobe light. That's a different and useful idea (i.e. patentable). I have often wondered why a strobe and how that would be useful. Do you know or have a clue? I do know that the latest strobe light Festool jig saw was delayed for sale in the US, IIRC it had something to do with the strobe making the blade appear to be not moving up and down. Check and see if it stop motions the teeth, would it make possible to see a broken tooth? Those Germans tend to engineer thing out to infinity. Yes, the saw stop motions the blade. BUT you can see a broken tooth with the saw turned off. |
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On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 11:57:59 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 12/27/2016 3:39 PM, Markem wrote: On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 11:49:32 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: IIRC, the Festool has a strobe light. That's a different and useful idea (i.e. patentable). I have often wondered why a strobe and how that would be useful. Do you know or have a clue? I do know that the latest strobe light Festool jig saw was delayed for sale in the US, IIRC it had something to do with the strobe making the blade appear to be not moving up and down. Check and see if it stop motions the teeth, would it make possible to see a broken tooth? Those Germans tend to engineer thing out to infinity. Yes, the saw stop motions the blade. BUT you can see a broken tooth with the saw turned off. Only if it's above the table. ;-) |
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