On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 15:36:18 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
wrote:

Just Wondering wrote:


I'm using Firefox and Thunderbird as my default internet apps. I've
used them for years, and have never (well, almost never, and not for a
long time) experienced crashes and hangups.

You must have been one of the one in one hundred thousabndth lucky users
then, and good for you if you were. Most users have experineced the recent
spate of Firefox issues. Just look at any google search results on firefox,

No problems here, either. I've been using FF since it was named FF
and TB for about five years now. I has crashed a couple of times but
it just restarts with everything in tact (all the tabs, even). *MUCH*
better than anything from M$.

On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 15:11:13 -0800 (PST), Jeff Mazur
wrote:

On Monday, December 9, 2013 11:56:37 AM UTC-5, Lee Michaels wrote:
I need an independent, dedicated newsreader. I am migrating to a system that

does not support newsreaders in the email client. And it is not just me but

a number of us old farts who insist on reading these archaic newsgroups.



Any suggestions? I will pay something if necessary, but my needs are

simple. A few newsgroups accessed a few times a day. And there is not

anywhere near the volume there used to be. So demands on the computers

resources should be minimal.



I need to be able to read and reply to posts. And a bozo filter would be

nice. Some capability to save some posts would be nice as well. That is

all I really need. Any suggestions?



The new system is a win 7 64 bit system. The email client is in office

2007, specifically outlook 2007. You used to be able to read UseNet

newsgroups in Outlook 2007, but Microsoft have removed anything that does

not use their own servers servers for newsgroups.

+1 for Agent, or Free Agent, very good programs in their day.

"In their day"? This from a Google groupie?

I've been using Agent since v0.99c in 1996(ish). I'm holding at 1.93. I have a
copy of 4.2, which is MUCH better at handling binaries, but I don't like the way
it handles text groups. I have not tried the current version, but will check it
out. If Forte is letting you d/l 1.93 for free as someone posted earlier, go
grab it for your text groups. Plus it handles yENC just great. My biggest
gripe is that it doesn't do html automatically and does not have nested folders.

Regards,
Roy

On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 15:11:13 -0800 (PST), Jeff Mazur
wrote:

On Monday, December 9, 2013 11:56:37 AM UTC-5, Lee Michaels wrote:
I need an independent, dedicated newsreader. I am migrating to a system that

does not support newsreaders in the email client. And it is not just me but

a number of us old farts who insist on reading these archaic newsgroups.



Any suggestions? I will pay something if necessary, but my needs are

simple. A few newsgroups accessed a few times a day. And there is not

anywhere near the volume there used to be. So demands on the computers

resources should be minimal.



I need to be able to read and reply to posts. And a bozo filter would be

nice. Some capability to save some posts would be nice as well. That is

all I really need. Any suggestions?



The new system is a win 7 64 bit system. The email client is in office

2007, specifically outlook 2007. You used to be able to read UseNet

newsgroups in Outlook 2007, but Microsoft have removed anything that does

not use their own servers servers for newsgroups.

+1 for Agent, or Free Agent, very good programs in their day.

Doug Winterburn wrote:
On 12/11/2013 03:35 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:



Unless you have gigabits of messages, several dozen different
accounts, 77 or more addons installed in FF & TB, and never compact
TB's databases, I doubt if you will ever have serious problems with
Firefox or Thunderbird.

Agree - been using TB and FF for years with no major issues. No more
than half dozen add-ons on each.

I only use FF - don't use TB. I have maybe a half dozen add-ons. I've been
using FF for years now, and until recently it has always been very stable,
but in the past year or so its stability has suffered, and there's quite a
bit of discussion about that on the net.

--

-Mike-

On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 22:31:04 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 15:11:13 -0800 (PST), Jeff Mazur
wrote:

snip

+1 for Agent, or Free Agent, very good programs in their day.

"In their day"? This from a Google groupie?

Check the headers Agent still is a good program today.

Mark

On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 01:18:45 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
wrote:

Doug Winterburn wrote:
On 12/11/2013 03:35 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:



Unless you have gigabits of messages, several dozen different
accounts, 77 or more addons installed in FF & TB, and never compact
TB's databases, I doubt if you will ever have serious problems with
Firefox or Thunderbird.

Agree - been using TB and FF for years with no major issues. No more
than half dozen add-ons on each.

I only use FF - don't use TB. I have maybe a half dozen add-ons. I've been
using FF for years now, and until recently it has always been very stable,
but in the past year or so its stability has suffered, and there's quite a
bit of discussion about that on the net.

For some reason I'm stuck at FF 21.0. Maybe that's a good thing.

I'm sure having a bunch of add-ons doesn't help stability at all. I
only use the security add-ons (Ghostery, NoScript, and DontTrackMe).

On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 09:08:48 -0600, Markem
wrote:

On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 22:31:04 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 15:11:13 -0800 (PST), Jeff Mazur
wrote:

snip

+1 for Agent, or Free Agent, very good programs in their day.

"In their day"? This from a Google groupie?

Check the headers Agent still is a good program today.

You're telling me? ;-)

I'll echo that - use Firefox and Thunderbird - used them since
they started. Mosaic upgrade.

They were bought by AOL and then that fell apart. Now they are
a band of good programmers that are around the world keeping it
together. In spite of constant upgrade in standards.

Martin
Was a Unix user and enjoyed it. Now I have a crazy and wild
monster size phone it looks like - version 8 in a 1080P double wide
screen. What a messy computer. They think computers are for 15 year
olds and made a dummy screen like a phone. Big icons they call
something else. Always taking credit and making us pay. No start
menu. Sucks.

They have a massive amount of what not junk that fills the screen.

Martin - wonders what 8.1 is like.



On 12/11/2013 12:45 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 12/11/2013 5:28 AM, dadiOH wrote:
"Mike Marlow" wrote in
message

That is consistent with my recent experiences with
Firefox in general. It really seems that they are not
QA'ing the releases anymore and each release just brings
about a new form of crash or hang. Mozilla does not
appear to be the Mozilla of old. Mysterious behaviors
that mysteriously disappear a couple of days later after
a mysterious middle of the night upgrade. And the only
evidence left behind is a new mysterious anomoly.

Hmm...maybe Microsoft surreptiously bought them out and is now doing the
coding


I'm using Firefox and Thunderbird as my default internet apps. I've
used them for years, and have never (well, almost never, and not for a
long time) experienced crashes and hangups.

On 12/14/2013 12:12 AM, Martin Eastburn wrote:
I'll echo that - use Firefox and Thunderbird - used them since
they started. Mosaic upgrade.

They were bought by AOL and then that fell apart. Now they are
a band of good programmers that are around the world keeping it
together. In spite of constant upgrade in standards.


The Mozilla Foundation was established in July 2003 with start-up
support from America Online's Netscape division. It is now an
independent non profit organization.

http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/about/

This is the financial report for the non profit Mozilla Foundation

http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundat...alreport/2012/

On 12/10/2013 2:17 PM, Swingman wrote:

This latest version (24.1.1) of TB is ****ing me off. Unstable, not
responding from the simple saving of an email to a storage folder, etc.
Most problematic version I've had on this Win7 box in a good while.

Feels like it may be an add-on/Filter issues, but they all show as
compatible, and the few add-ons/Filters I need is what makes TB usable
for me.

Been using FF and TB since they were Netscape. TB started doing stupid
*Major* updates a long time ago. By major, I mean it took years to go
from version 2 to version 3, and then to version 24 in the blink of an
eye . I quit upgrading at version 14, recognizing that TB worked
perfectly for me before the last slew of upgrades that seemed to do
nothing other than break some add-ons/Filters.

I seem to recall that along with the upgrades, other stuff was being
installed unless you overtly chose to not install stuff. I don't recall
what stuff, but Google search bar, AVG, McAfee virus stuff come to mind.
It's been a while since I upgraded, so I could be wrong, but I think
they were one group that was doing this. So I figure the reason they do
constant upgrades is not to help you out, but to get other stuff
installed.

My recommendation is once you get an upgrade that works perfectly STOP
upgrading. That's what I did at version 14, and it works perfectly fine
on my win7 64 bit machine. I will not upgrade until something comes
along I need, which is not likely any time soon.

Over the years I've experienced plenty of software "upgrades" that were
worse than what they upgraded, often breaking the older stuff
completely. In the old days, bug fixes and little tweaks were in
decimals. I figure TB should be at version 4.24 not 24

If anyone can tell me what version 24 does that 14 doesn't do, I'm
listening.

--
Jack
Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life.
http://jbstein.com

On 12/20/2013 2:53 PM, Jack wrote:
On 12/10/2013 2:17 PM, Swingman wrote:

This latest version (24.1.1) of TB is ****ing me off. Unstable, not
responding from the simple saving of an email to a storage folder, etc.
Most problematic version I've had on this Win7 box in a good while.

Feels like it may be an add-on/Filter issues, but they all show as
compatible, and the few add-ons/Filters I need is what makes TB usable
for me.

Been using FF and TB since they were Netscape. TB started doing stupid
*Major* updates a long time ago. By major, I mean it took years to go
from version 2 to version 3, and then to version 24 in the blink of an
eye . I quit upgrading at version 14, recognizing that TB worked
perfectly for me before the last slew of upgrades that seemed to do
nothing other than break some add-ons/Filters.

I seem to recall that along with the upgrades, other stuff was being
installed unless you overtly chose to not install stuff. I don't recall
what stuff, but Google search bar, AVG, McAfee virus stuff come to mind.
It's been a while since I upgraded, so I could be wrong, but I think
they were one group that was doing this. So I figure the reason they do
constant upgrades is not to help you out, but to get other stuff installed.

My recommendation is once you get an upgrade that works perfectly STOP
upgrading. That's what I did at version 14, and it works perfectly fine
on my win7 64 bit machine. I will not upgrade until something comes
along I need, which is not likely any time soon.

Over the years I've experienced plenty of software "upgrades" that were
worse than what they upgraded, often breaking the older stuff
completely. In the old days, bug fixes and little tweaks were in
decimals. I figure TB should be at version 4.24 not 24

If anyone can tell me what version 24 does that 14 doesn't do, I'm
listening.

They are more or less keeping it in sync with Firefox, which is on a
three month release cycle, and since they share a lot of codeit makes
sense from a developer perspective. There isn't much being done to TB
these days, other than getting to new HTML engine to work with it as FF
progresses.

The version numbering thing was started by Google's Chrome project which
is on a similar release cycle.

--
Froz...


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