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Tim Daneliuk wrote:
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What does this have to do with the Subject line?

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On 08/10/2012 04:35 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Tim Daneliuk wrote:
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/feder...ntage-narrows/

What does this have to do with the Subject line?


Sorry Mike, I had a cut-and-paste malfunction.

How about this one instead:

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/the-l...iminalization/

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On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:48:20 -0500, Tim Daneliuk
wrote:

On 08/10/2012 04:35 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Tim Daneliuk wrote:
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/feder...ntage-narrows/

What does this have to do with the Subject line?


Sorry Mike, I had a cut-and-paste malfunction.

I much prefer wardrobe malfunctions on women. domg


How about this one instead:

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/the-l...iminalization/

Excellent article.

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We are always the same age inside.
-- Gertrude Stein

Tim Daneliuk wrote:
On 08/10/2012 04:35 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Tim Daneliuk wrote:
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/feder...ntage-narrows/

What does this have to do with the Subject line?


Sorry Mike, I had a cut-and-paste malfunction.

How about this one instead:

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/the-l...iminalization/

Ahhhhh - that makes more sense Tim. Thanks for the link.

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-Mike-

Tim Daneliuk wrote:
How about this one instead:

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/the-l...iminalization/

http://www.science20.com/science_20/..._misused-82210

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"__ Bøb __" wrote in
:


I find it funny that those who say that voter fraud is rampant never
seem to be able to get a link to established facts. At least not
recent, documented facts. I have heard the Mayor Daley etc jokes.


You have obviously been unaware of ACORN and their Voter Registration
antics of the last few elections ...

I lived in Chicago for 30 years ... believe me ... the Mayor Daley
comments ARE NOT JOKES !!! Ask ANY retired City Employee about their
feelings ... most will tell you that, at least now they can vote their
values ... NOT for the Demoncrats just to keep a job.

Well, I do not see anything wrong with encouraging people who have the
right to vote to indeed do so. Obviously I am very much against people
who do not have that right to do so. What fraction of ACORN recruiters
were not on the up and up, I don't know. They and their recruits should
have been challenged. On the other hand, we lived for a while in Queens,
NY, where residents (whether or not they were citizens) had a limited
right to vote, I recall for school elections.

As I said, there are forms to be filled out, but there is here in NJ a
definite mechanism to challenge people's voting qualifications. As it
should be.

Sometimes I think there should be an intelligence test for voters,
because the **** that flies around at election times is beyond belief.
And people ARE influenced by that ****, from either side.
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

"__ Bøb __" wrote:
I find it funny that those who say that voter fraud is rampant never
seem to be able to get a link to established facts. At least not
recent, documented facts. I have heard the Mayor Daley etc jokes.


You have obviously been unaware of ACORN and their Voter Registration
antics of the last few elections ...

I lived in Chicago for 30 years ... believe me ... the Mayor Daley
comments ARE NOT JOKES !!! Ask ANY retired City Employee about their
feelings ... most will tell you that, at least now they can vote their
values ... NOT for the Demoncrats just to keep a job.

Hey Bob - if you are going to quote previous posters in your replies (which
is the right thing to do...), then at least include the poster and not just
the text, so that it is clear whose comments you are replying to.

--

-Mike-

On 8/13/2012 1:57 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
-MIKE- writes:

Citizens of foreign countries voted a lot in the least election.
They just happen to be living in this country. Lots of dead people
voted, too.

Funny, all the non-partisan voting experts can't find any evidence
of this (particularly the "lot" part).

By "non-partisan" I assume you mean "Non-Democrat"

There is a ton of voter fraud, including dead people, felons, fake
people, duplicate voters. Plenty of districts have more registered
voters than people.

Moreover, the source of information does not minimize any facts
uncovered or used.

Get a clue.

There are many, many loopholes in the voter registration process that
allows for citizens of other countries to vote in our elections. That is
precisely why the Dems are against proof of citizen requirements for
voter registration.

Actually, this is completely false. Democrats want it easier for americans
to vote, Republicans want to make it harder for americans to vote. Please
name one single democrat who want to allow citizens of other countries
to vote? You can't.

Anyone that wants to allow anyone that walks in the voting booth to be
able to vote, regardless of who they say they are, fits that
description, and you can start with the leader of the democratic
(socialist) party, Obummer, and work your way down to the local Marxist
dog catcher.

--
Jack
From Little A.C.O.R.N.S Mighty Marxist Grow!
http://jbstein.com

On 8/13/2012 2:31 PM, Han wrote:

I find it funny that those who say that voter fraud is rampant never seem
to be able to get a link to established facts.

Your kidding, or you get all your info from the government controlled
media (NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, NY Times etc.)

At least not recent,
documented facts. I have heard the Mayor Daley etc jokes.

Voter fraud is no joke, it got Franken elected to the Minnesota Senate
and ergo socialized medicine foisted on all of the US.

Please read this and you may be enlightened to why you don't get any
"established facts". It is difficult to establish "facts" if you can't
get the wolves to investigate their own duplicity. The facts that are
"established" as in court convictions are not reported much in the lame
stream media.

Any doubts you may have regarding rampant voter fraud should be erased
when you observe how ridiculously hard the crooks fight any attempt to
enact common sense election law reforms to ensure that our election
system is secure, accurate and transparent.

--
Jack
A.C.O.R.N: For Democrats that just can't vote often enough...
http://jbstein.com

On 8/13/2012 2:13 PM, -MIKE- wrote:

All good points Mike. There amazingly a good number of voting districts
that have more registered voters than people, and they still won't lift
a finger to clean up the rolls. They instead fight tooth and nail every
effort to clean things up.

--
Jack
Those who vote decide nothing;
those who count the votes decide everything.
- Joseph Stalin

http://jbstein.com

Voter registration is under the jurisdiction of local election boards.
In many places you can get registered simply by getting a driver's
license. In many of those places, all you need to get a drivers license
is as little as a utility bill with your name on it addressed to your
residence. I can drive down my street and within 5 minutes, point to a
dozen or more people driving who are not legal citizens of the US.

It's funny that you can hardly do anything in the US without a valid ID,
yet the Dems want to allow anyone to walk up to a voting booth and vote,
without any proof they are who they say they are. Even though, there is
very little one can do in everyday life without a valid ID, the Dems
think it's some kind of hardship to show an ID to vote. Someone could go
to my precinct, give my name and address, go into the booth and vote for
me. This is perfectly fine with the Dems.

Jack wrote in :

On 8/13/2012 2:31 PM, Han wrote:

I find it funny that those who say that voter fraud is rampant never
seem to be able to get a link to established facts.

Your kidding, or you get all your info from the government controlled
media (NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, NY Times etc.)

At least not recent,
documented facts. I have heard the Mayor Daley etc jokes.

Voter fraud is no joke, it got Franken elected to the Minnesota Senate
and ergo socialized medicine foisted on all of the US.

Please read this and you may be enlightened to why you don't get any
"established facts". It is difficult to establish "facts" if you
can't get the wolves to investigate their own duplicity. The facts
that are "established" as in court convictions are not reported much
in the lame stream media.

Any doubts you may have regarding rampant voter fraud should be erased
when you observe how ridiculously hard the crooks fight any attempt to
enact common sense election law reforms to ensure that our election
system is secure, accurate and transparent.

If voter fraud is so rampant, surely you can find some convictions ...

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

On 8/14/2012 8:07 AM, Jack wrote:
On 8/13/2012 1:57 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
-MIKE- writes:

Citizens of foreign countries voted a lot in the least election.
They just happen to be living in this country. Lots of dead people
voted, too.

Funny, all the non-partisan voting experts can't find any evidence
of this (particularly the "lot" part).

By "non-partisan" I assume you mean "Non-Democrat"

There is a ton of voter fraud, including dead people, felons, fake
people, duplicate voters. Plenty of districts have more registered
voters than people.

Moreover, the source of information does not minimize any facts
uncovered or used.

Get a clue.

There are many, many loopholes in the voter registration process that
allows for citizens of other countries to vote in our elections.
That is
precisely why the Dems are against proof of citizen requirements for
voter registration.

Actually, this is completely false. Democrats want it easier for
americans
to vote, Republicans want to make it harder for americans to vote.
Please
name one single democrat who want to allow citizens of other countries
to vote? You can't.

Anyone that wants to allow anyone that walks in the voting booth to be
able to vote, regardless of who they say they are, fits that
description, and you can start with the leader of the democratic
(socialist) party, Obummer, and work your way down to the local
Marxist dog catcher.

The whole reason BO and Dems oppose voter identification is to make it
easier for citizens of Mexico to vote in U.S. elections, because Mexican
illegal aliens, if allowed to vote, would tend to vote Democrat, because
Dems want to shovel your and my hard-earned money out to them.
..

Jack wrote in :

On 8/13/2012 1:57 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
-MIKE- writes:

Citizens of foreign countries voted a lot in the least election.
They just happen to be living in this country. Lots of dead people
voted, too.

Funny, all the non-partisan voting experts can't find any evidence
of this (particularly the "lot" part).

By "non-partisan" I assume you mean "Non-Democrat"

There is a ton of voter fraud, including dead people, felons, fake
people, duplicate voters. Plenty of districts have more registered
voters than people.

Moreover, the source of information does not minimize any facts
uncovered or used.

Get a clue.

There are many, many loopholes in the voter registration process
that allows for citizens of other countries to vote in our
elections. That is precisely why the Dems are against proof of
citizen requirements for voter registration.

Actually, this is completely false. Democrats want it easier for
americans to vote, Republicans want to make it harder for americans
to vote. Please name one single democrat who want to allow citizens
of other countries to vote? You can't.

Anyone that wants to allow anyone that walks in the voting booth to be
able to vote, regardless of who they say they are, fits that
description, and you can start with the leader of the democratic
(socialist) party, Obummer, and work your way down to the local
Marxist dog catcher.

As I said before, there are laws that should prevent voter fraud. If
there were everywhere as there is here in NJ, a mechanism by which a
voter's right to vote could be challenged, the actual voter fraud could
rather easily be eliminated. The apparent fact (??) that voter
registration documents are not up to date is terrible, but it is not at
all evidence of actual fraud - only of a potential for fraud.

If I leave my door unlocked, I make it easy for an unauthorized person to
enter my home. It doesn't prove someone did enter my home.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

On 14 Aug 2012 15:39:59 GMT, Han wrote:

Jack wrote in :

On 8/13/2012 2:31 PM, Han wrote:

I find it funny that those who say that voter fraud is rampant never
seem to be able to get a link to established facts.

Your kidding, or you get all your info from the government controlled
media (NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, NY Times etc.)

At least not recent,
documented facts. I have heard the Mayor Daley etc jokes.

Voter fraud is no joke, it got Franken elected to the Minnesota Senate
and ergo socialized medicine foisted on all of the US.

Please read this and you may be enlightened to why you don't get any
"established facts". It is difficult to establish "facts" if you
can't get the wolves to investigate their own duplicity. The facts
that are "established" as in court convictions are not reported much
in the lame stream media.

Any doubts you may have regarding rampant voter fraud should be erased
when you observe how ridiculously hard the crooks fight any attempt to
enact common sense election law reforms to ensure that our election
system is secure, accurate and transparent.

If voter fraud is so rampant, surely you can find some convictions ...

You know, Han, there is this thing called "Google" that you could use to find
such information.

http://specfriggintacular.wordpress....f-voter-fraud/

That aside, did you even read what he wrote? How can you claim an honest
election when there are more "votes" counted than there are registered voters?
When there are dead people voting. Get real, Han.

" wrote in
:

On 14 Aug 2012 15:39:59 GMT, Han wrote:

Jack wrote in :

On 8/13/2012 2:31 PM, Han wrote:

I find it funny that those who say that voter fraud is rampant
never seem to be able to get a link to established facts.

Your kidding, or you get all your info from the government
controlled media (NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, NY Times etc.)

At least not recent,
documented facts. I have heard the Mayor Daley etc jokes.

Voter fraud is no joke, it got Franken elected to the Minnesota
Senate and ergo socialized medicine foisted on all of the US.

Please read this and you may be enlightened to why you don't get any
"established facts". It is difficult to establish "facts" if you
can't get the wolves to investigate their own duplicity. The facts
that are "established" as in court convictions are not reported much
in the lame stream media.

Any doubts you may have regarding rampant voter fraud should be
erased when you observe how ridiculously hard the crooks fight any
attempt to enact common sense election law reforms to ensure that
our election system is secure, accurate and transparent.

If voter fraud is so rampant, surely you can find some convictions ...

You know, Han, there is this thing called "Google" that you could use
to find such information.

http://specfriggintacular.wordpress....ats-arrested-a
ndor-convicted-of-voter-fraud/

Great link, right? Apart from the fact that there are only a few people
listed, out of millions (I hope) that voted, I was not claiming that
there is rampant voter fraud. Let the claimant show the link. That has
been thrown at me, you know. I'll be the first to want to punish a
fraudulent voter. On the other hand, I became a green card holder and
was disappointed I couldn't vote (and didn't). But I thought it a good
idea to try and become a citizen, and was successful (I think in 1984).

That aside, did you even read what he wrote? How can you claim an
honest election when there are more "votes" counted than there are
registered voters? When there are dead people voting. Get real, Han.

When I tried to look up things like that, I found that there were more
registered voters than eligible voters in some jurisdictions. Obviously
that is ridiculous, and should be investigated and cleaned up. The
number of registered voters is usually about twice the number of votes
cast. In Holland there used to be a duty to come to a polling place with
a financial penalty if you didn't (they would have liked to force you to
vote, but they couldn't very well check whether you filled out the paper
form). I remember that from the few times I had to go vote, and it is
detailed he http://nlkiest.nl/achtergronden/stemplicht/ Sorry, it's
a Dutch page. In 1970 they dispensed with the duty to come and vote. I
still feel it is a citizen's duty to vote.

As I mentioned before in NJ you can go and sit in the polling place
(after filling out a form and getting approved) and check up on voters
that come walking in. Not that I will go and do it, but a person could.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

On 14 Aug 2012 20:51:56 GMT, Han wrote:

" wrote in
:

On 14 Aug 2012 15:39:59 GMT, Han wrote:

Jack wrote in :

On 8/13/2012 2:31 PM, Han wrote:

I find it funny that those who say that voter fraud is rampant
never seem to be able to get a link to established facts.

Your kidding, or you get all your info from the government
controlled media (NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, NY Times etc.)

At least not recent,
documented facts. I have heard the Mayor Daley etc jokes.

Voter fraud is no joke, it got Franken elected to the Minnesota
Senate and ergo socialized medicine foisted on all of the US.

Please read this and you may be enlightened to why you don't get any
"established facts". It is difficult to establish "facts" if you
can't get the wolves to investigate their own duplicity. The facts
that are "established" as in court convictions are not reported much
in the lame stream media.

Any doubts you may have regarding rampant voter fraud should be
erased when you observe how ridiculously hard the crooks fight any
attempt to enact common sense election law reforms to ensure that
our election system is secure, accurate and transparent.

If voter fraud is so rampant, surely you can find some convictions ...

You know, Han, there is this thing called "Google" that you could use
to find such information.

http://specfriggintacular.wordpress....ats-arrested-a
ndor-convicted-of-voter-fraud/

Great link, right? Apart from the fact that there are only a few people
listed, out of millions (I hope) that voted, I was not claiming that
there is rampant voter fraud.

You were claiming that it didn't exist, or three would be convictions...

Let the claimant show the link. That has been thrown at me, you know.

Why? The facts stand for themselves. It doesn't matter who shows you the
link. Indeed you could have found it in about five seconds. It was
nonsensical to even ask for it.

I'll be the first to want to punish a fraudulent voter.

Yet you claim it doesn't exist.

On the other hand, I became a green card holder and
was disappointed I couldn't vote (and didn't). But I thought it a good
idea to try and become a citizen, and was successful (I think in 1984).

Tough ****! A green-card holder *shouldn't* vote!

That aside, did you even read what he wrote? How can you claim an
honest election when there are more "votes" counted than there are
registered voters? When there are dead people voting. Get real, Han.

When I tried to look up things like that, I found that there were more
registered voters than eligible voters in some jurisdictions. Obviously
that is ridiculous, and should be investigated and cleaned up. The
number of registered voters is usually about twice the number of votes
cast.

But there are far more "irregularities" than that. Enough that all ties go to
the Democrats. Funny, that.

In Holland there used to be a duty to come to a polling place with
a financial penalty if you didn't (they would have liked to force you to
vote, but they couldn't very well check whether you filled out the paper
form). I remember that from the few times I had to go vote, and it is
detailed he http://nlkiest.nl/achtergronden/stemplicht/ Sorry, it's
a Dutch page. In 1970 they dispensed with the duty to come and vote. I
still feel it is a citizen's duty to vote.

I don't give a rat's ass what goes on in Holland.

As I mentioned before in NJ you can go and sit in the polling place
(after filling out a form and getting approved) and check up on voters
that come walking in. Not that I will go and do it, but a person could.

So what? Do you think you know everyone in your district? Why don't you have
to show IDs before voting? That's *really* dumb!

Han wrote:

When I tried to look up things like that, I found that there were more
registered voters than eligible voters in some jurisdictions.
Obviously that is ridiculous, and should be investigated and cleaned
up. The number of registered voters is usually about twice the
number of votes cast.

First, ONE fraudulent vote is one too many.

Second, a Google search of "voter+fraud+statistics" yields over 700,000
hits.

It's out there. Whatever the expense and effort, we've got to drive the
number to zero. If it saves one child's life...

No, wait...

That's about guns. Never mind.

As an aside...

Three weeks ago, two Florida election officials deposited a total of 1,100
absentee ballots with the post office. Today is election day in Florida and
the ballots were not delivered until today.

The post office, when contacted, thought the ballots were bulk rate, to be
delivered when convenient (they all had first-class postage).

That's 1,100 people who did not get to vote in today's Florida primary.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2918453/posts

Han wrote:

Great link, right? Apart from the fact that there are only a few
people listed, out of millions (I hope) that voted, I was not
claiming that there is rampant voter fraud. Let the claimant show
the link. That has been thrown at me, you know. I'll be the first
to want to punish a fraudulent voter. On the other hand, I became a
green card holder and was disappointed I couldn't vote (and didn't).
But I thought it a good idea to try and become a citizen, and was
successful (I think in 1984).

In some few jurisdictions, you CAN vote for local offices. It is a federal
crime for a non-citizen to vote for a federal office.

" wrote in
:

On 14 Aug 2012 20:51:56 GMT, Han wrote:

" wrote in
m:

On 14 Aug 2012 15:39:59 GMT, Han wrote:

Jack wrote in
:

On 8/13/2012 2:31 PM, Han wrote:

I find it funny that those who say that voter fraud is rampant
never seem to be able to get a link to established facts.

Your kidding, or you get all your info from the government
controlled media (NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, NY Times etc.)

At least not recent,
documented facts. I have heard the Mayor Daley etc jokes.

Voter fraud is no joke, it got Franken elected to the Minnesota
Senate and ergo socialized medicine foisted on all of the US.

Please read this and you may be enlightened to why you don't get
any "established facts". It is difficult to establish "facts" if
you can't get the wolves to investigate their own duplicity. The
facts that are "established" as in court convictions are not
reported much in the lame stream media.

Any doubts you may have regarding rampant voter fraud should be
erased when you observe how ridiculously hard the crooks fight any
attempt to enact common sense election law reforms to ensure that
our election system is secure, accurate and transparent.

If voter fraud is so rampant, surely you can find some convictions
...

You know, Han, there is this thing called "Google" that you could
use to find such information.

http://specfriggintacular.wordpress....crats-arrested
-a ndor-convicted-of-voter-fraud/

Great link, right? Apart from the fact that there are only a few
people listed, out of millions (I hope) that voted, I was not claiming
that there is rampant voter fraud.

You were claiming that it didn't exist, or three would be
convictions...

Let the claimant show the link. That has been thrown at me, you know.

Why? The facts stand for themselves. It doesn't matter who shows you
the link. Indeed you could have found it in about five seconds. It
was nonsensical to even ask for it.

I'll be the first to want to punish a fraudulent voter.

Yet you claim it doesn't exist.

On the other hand, I became a green card holder and
was disappointed I couldn't vote (and didn't). But I thought it a
good idea to try and become a citizen, and was successful (I think in
1984).

Tough ****! A green-card holder *shouldn't* vote!

That aside, did you even read what he wrote? How can you claim an
honest election when there are more "votes" counted than there are
registered voters? When there are dead people voting. Get real,
Han.

When I tried to look up things like that, I found that there were more
registered voters than eligible voters in some jurisdictions.
Obviously that is ridiculous, and should be investigated and cleaned
up. The number of registered voters is usually about twice the number
of votes cast.

But there are far more "irregularities" than that. Enough that all
ties go to the Democrats. Funny, that.

In Holland there used to be a duty to come to a polling place with
a financial penalty if you didn't (they would have liked to force you
to vote, but they couldn't very well check whether you filled out the
paper form). I remember that from the few times I had to go vote, and
it is detailed he http://nlkiest.nl/achtergronden/stemplicht/
Sorry, it's a Dutch page. In 1970 they dispensed with the duty to
come and vote. I still feel it is a citizen's duty to vote.

I don't give a rat's ass what goes on in Holland.

As I mentioned before in NJ you can go and sit in the polling place
(after filling out a form and getting approved) and check up on voters
that come walking in. Not that I will go and do it, but a person
could.

So what? Do you think you know everyone in your district? Why don't
you have to show IDs before voting? That's *really* dumb!

I don't think I claimed there wasn't any fraud. It's a big country, you
know. And perhaps I was indeed too idealistic and naive. As you know,
there are many who say that Bush stole the election in FL in 2000, so
apparently the "fraud" isn't exclusively Democrat-inspired.

The law is rather circumspect in requiring ID when registering to vote.
Apparently if you have lived in your district since before (2000?) you
don't need as much ID as when you moved in after that date (Fed law). We
are still free enough that we don't need ID to walk about, unless there
is reasonable suspicion we committed some offense/crime. That makes the
US the only country where that is the case, since Holland submitted to EU
regs requiring ID at all times. Eventually the Big Brother is watching
you state will require ID at all times. And then the fake ID industry
will really take off.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

"HeyBub" wrote in
news
Han wrote:

When I tried to look up things like that, I found that there were
more registered voters than eligible voters in some jurisdictions.
Obviously that is ridiculous, and should be investigated and cleaned
up. The number of registered voters is usually about twice the
number of votes cast.

First, ONE fraudulent vote is one too many.

Second, a Google search of "voter+fraud+statistics" yields over
700,000 hits.

It's out there. Whatever the expense and effort, we've got to drive
the number to zero. If it saves one child's life...

No, wait...

That's about guns. Never mind.

As an aside...

Three weeks ago, two Florida election officials deposited a total of
1,100 absentee ballots with the post office. Today is election day in
Florida and the ballots were not delivered until today.

The post office, when contacted, thought the ballots were bulk rate,
to be delivered when convenient (they all had first-class postage).

That's 1,100 people who did not get to vote in today's Florida
primary.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2918453/posts

Didn't look at the link, sorry. Wasn't FL contested a few years back
because of "hanging chads" or whatever, that delivered the national
election to Bush?

Yes I think that voter fraud should be rooted out. Seriously. Really!

But how to do that? We would need honest and reliable civil servants for
that, who won't sell a few votes here and there to help the good
candidates. See where I am going? Perhaps the best way would be to
implant an RFID into every legal citizen and making sure his/her vote
gets properly registered. All that socalled privacy and secrecy is just
show. Let's dispense with that. Right?

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

"HeyBub" wrote in
m:

Han wrote:

Great link, right? Apart from the fact that there are only a few
people listed, out of millions (I hope) that voted, I was not
claiming that there is rampant voter fraud. Let the claimant show
the link. That has been thrown at me, you know. I'll be the first
to want to punish a fraudulent voter. On the other hand, I became a
green card holder and was disappointed I couldn't vote (and didn't).
But I thought it a good idea to try and become a citizen, and was
successful (I think in 1984).

In some few jurisdictions, you CAN vote for local offices. It is a
federal crime for a non-citizen to vote for a federal office.

That is correct, and the best way to phrase it. You have to draw the
line somewhere and I agree that green card holders should naturalize
first. And learn real English. It would help. Such as that nice older
lady who didn't understand erased for privacy at the doctor's office.
Too many around here who (not that) only speak Russian, Ukranian or
Spanish.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

On 8/14/12 6:57 PM, Han wrote:
I don't think I claimed there wasn't any fraud. It's a big country, you
know. And perhaps I was indeed too idealistic and naive. As you know,
there are many who say that Bush stole the election in FL in 2000, so
apparently the "fraud" isn't exclusively Democrat-inspired.


Except that recounts, which you never hear about except when
fictionalized by leftist hollywood, showed that Bush won by more votes
than the first results showed.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

Han wrote:

Yes I think that voter fraud should be rooted out. Seriously.
Really!

But how to do that? We would need honest and reliable civil servants
for that, who won't sell a few votes here and there to help the good
candidates. See where I am going? Perhaps the best way would be to
implant an RFID into every legal citizen and making sure his/her vote
gets properly registered. All that socalled privacy and secrecy is
just show. Let's dispense with that. Right?

Civil servants do not conduct the elections, volunteers do. That is, the
poll workers are either volunteers (GOP primaries) or paid temporary
workers. (Paid by the party in the case of a primary, or by the county or
city in the case of a general election.) And neither civil servants nor poll
workers are responsible for fraudulent votes.

It is very difficult to mess with the returns or ballots after they are
cast. I've worked on ballot security teams and the mantra is "prevent a
fraudulent ballot at all cost" because once a vote is cast, legit or dodgy,
it's virtually impossible to undo it. Only in the case of a "provisional" or
absentee ballot (usually) is it possible to tie a specific vote to a
specific person.

It's not totally impossible for the election headquarters to mess with the
results. When you get a chance, look up "Landslide Lyndon."

Poll workers process each voter by the numbers - you do this, you go there,
etc. If all the workers are Democrats (I'll skip how they are selected),
they are back-stopped by Republican poll-watchers who make sure each step is
followed precisely. The Democrats usually don't bother sending poll watchers
to Republican precincts - they know that Republicans don't do nasty things
at the polling place*.

-----------
* Here's why: Democrats are universally concerned with outcome - the end
justifies the means, hence the vast preponderance of hanky-panky involves
Democrats. Republicans worship process - the means determine the result.
Consider the Republican insistence on picture-ID. They want to perfect the
process, to eliminate any error. The Democrats object because they believe
personal IDs will affect the results adversely. Process vs. results.

I guess my statement "Republicans don't do nasty things at the polling
place" needs some clarification. Consider an example:

In some heavily Democratic precincts, it's common for the Republicans to
hire off-duty police officers to stand, in full uniform, at the entrance to
the polling place with a clipboard. The thought is that 80% or so of the
voters have an outstanding criminal arrest warrant and that any potential
voter, upon seeing the cop, would look down and say "feet, make tracks!"

Is this "nasty"?

Only your hairdresser knows for sure.

On 14 Aug 2012 23:57:35 GMT, Han wrote:

" wrote in
:

On 14 Aug 2012 20:51:56 GMT, Han wrote:

" wrote in
:

On 14 Aug 2012 15:39:59 GMT, Han wrote:

Jack wrote in
:

On 8/13/2012 2:31 PM, Han wrote:

I find it funny that those who say that voter fraud is rampant
never seem to be able to get a link to established facts.

Your kidding, or you get all your info from the government
controlled media (NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, NY Times etc.)

At least not recent,
documented facts. I have heard the Mayor Daley etc jokes.

Voter fraud is no joke, it got Franken elected to the Minnesota
Senate and ergo socialized medicine foisted on all of the US.

Please read this and you may be enlightened to why you don't get
any "established facts". It is difficult to establish "facts" if
you can't get the wolves to investigate their own duplicity. The
facts that are "established" as in court convictions are not
reported much in the lame stream media.

Any doubts you may have regarding rampant voter fraud should be
erased when you observe how ridiculously hard the crooks fight any
attempt to enact common sense election law reforms to ensure that
our election system is secure, accurate and transparent.

If voter fraud is so rampant, surely you can find some convictions
...

You know, Han, there is this thing called "Google" that you could
use to find such information.

http://specfriggintacular.wordpress....crats-arrested
-a ndor-convicted-of-voter-fraud/

Great link, right? Apart from the fact that there are only a few
people listed, out of millions (I hope) that voted, I was not claiming
that there is rampant voter fraud.

You were claiming that it didn't exist, or three would be
convictions...

Let the claimant show the link. That has been thrown at me, you know.

Why? The facts stand for themselves. It doesn't matter who shows you
the link. Indeed you could have found it in about five seconds. It
was nonsensical to even ask for it.

I'll be the first to want to punish a fraudulent voter.

Yet you claim it doesn't exist.

On the other hand, I became a green card holder and
was disappointed I couldn't vote (and didn't). But I thought it a
good idea to try and become a citizen, and was successful (I think in
1984).

Tough ****! A green-card holder *shouldn't* vote!

That aside, did you even read what he wrote? How can you claim an
honest election when there are more "votes" counted than there are
registered voters? When there are dead people voting. Get real,
Han.

When I tried to look up things like that, I found that there were more
registered voters than eligible voters in some jurisdictions.
Obviously that is ridiculous, and should be investigated and cleaned
up. The number of registered voters is usually about twice the number
of votes cast.

But there are far more "irregularities" than that. Enough that all
ties go to the Democrats. Funny, that.

In Holland there used to be a duty to come to a polling place with
a financial penalty if you didn't (they would have liked to force you
to vote, but they couldn't very well check whether you filled out the
paper form). I remember that from the few times I had to go vote, and
it is detailed he http://nlkiest.nl/achtergronden/stemplicht/
Sorry, it's a Dutch page. In 1970 they dispensed with the duty to
come and vote. I still feel it is a citizen's duty to vote.

I don't give a rat's ass what goes on in Holland.

As I mentioned before in NJ you can go and sit in the polling place
(after filling out a form and getting approved) and check up on voters
that come walking in. Not that I will go and do it, but a person
could.

So what? Do you think you know everyone in your district? Why don't
you have to show IDs before voting? That's *really* dumb!

I don't think I claimed there wasn't any fraud. It's a big country, you
know. And perhaps I was indeed too idealistic and naive. As you know,
there are many who say that Bush stole the election in FL in 2000, so
apparently the "fraud" isn't exclusively Democrat-inspired.

That's an absurd claim. By no reasonable standard did Bush "steal" the
election.

The law is rather circumspect in requiring ID when registering to vote.

Why?

Apparently if you have lived in your district since before (2000?) you
don't need as much ID as when you moved in after that date (Fed law). We
are still free enough that we don't need ID to walk about, unless there
is reasonable suspicion we committed some offense/crime.

You need an ID to travel by air, to go into your local court house, and pretty
much to exist. Why is it such a burden to show an ID to vote? Isn't that as
important as going to see your congresscritter?

That makes the
US the only country where that is the case, since Holland submitted to EU
regs requiring ID at all times.

I've already told that for all I care, what goes on in Holland can stay in
Holland. It has *NO* relevance to what goes on here. You're a US citizen
now. Stop pining for the old country and act like it.


Eventually the Big Brother is watching you state will require ID at all times.

Don't be an idiot.

And then the fake ID industry will really take off.

Good grief!

On 15 Aug 2012 00:09:08 GMT, Han wrote:

"HeyBub" wrote in
om:

Han wrote:

Great link, right? Apart from the fact that there are only a few
people listed, out of millions (I hope) that voted, I was not
claiming that there is rampant voter fraud. Let the claimant show
the link. That has been thrown at me, you know. I'll be the first
to want to punish a fraudulent voter. On the other hand, I became a
green card holder and was disappointed I couldn't vote (and didn't).
But I thought it a good idea to try and become a citizen, and was
successful (I think in 1984).

In some few jurisdictions, you CAN vote for local offices. It is a
federal crime for a non-citizen to vote for a federal office.

That is correct, and the best way to phrase it. You have to draw the
line somewhere and I agree that green card holders should naturalize
first. And learn real English. It would help.

OMG! That's quite illiberal of you. ;-)

There is no shortage of candidates for citizenship. Fluent English, both
written and oral, should be a requirement for a green card.

Such as that nice older
lady who didn't understand erased for privacy at the doctor's office.
Too many around here who (not that) only speak Russian, Ukranian or
Spanish.

It's not just "around here" (though the languages vary).

" wrote in
news
On 15 Aug 2012 00:09:08 GMT, Han wrote:

"HeyBub" wrote in
news:xKadne5aw4QnfrfNnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d@earthlink. com:

Han wrote:

Great link, right? Apart from the fact that there are only a few
people listed, out of millions (I hope) that voted, I was not
claiming that there is rampant voter fraud. Let the claimant show
the link. That has been thrown at me, you know. I'll be the first
to want to punish a fraudulent voter. On the other hand, I became
a green card holder and was disappointed I couldn't vote (and
didn't). But I thought it a good idea to try and become a citizen,
and was successful (I think in 1984).

In some few jurisdictions, you CAN vote for local offices. It is a
federal crime for a non-citizen to vote for a federal office.

That is correct, and the best way to phrase it. You have to draw the
line somewhere and I agree that green card holders should naturalize
first. And learn real English. It would help.

OMG! That's quite illiberal of you. ;-)

Well, it's me

There is no shortage of candidates for citizenship. Fluent English,
both written and oral, should be a requirement for a green card.

I forget what the requirements for the green card were in my (special)
case. The "interview" by the examiner was cute. Do you read a
newspaper? which? how often? (This was 1984, before the internet,
basically). I know you can guess my answers from Nassau county, NY

Such as that nice older
lady who didn't understand erased for privacy at the doctor's
office. Too many around here who (not that) only speak Russian,
Ukranian or Spanish.

It's not just "around here" (though the languages vary).

It's quite common, then.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

On 8/14/2012 11:39 AM, Han wrote:
Jack wrote in :

On 8/13/2012 2:31 PM, Han wrote:

I find it funny that those who say that voter fraud is rampant never
seem to be able to get a link to established facts.

Please read this and you may be enlightened to why you don't get any
"established facts".

Sorry Han, I somehow left out the link to what I wanted you to read.

http://tinyurl.com/3dv729h

Please read it, and perhaps you will get an inkling as to what sort of
corruption is going on, and has been going on in this country.

It is difficult to establish "facts" if you
can't get the wolves to investigate their own duplicity. The facts
that are "established" as in court convictions are not reported much
in the lame stream media.

If voter fraud is so rampant, surely you can find some convictions ...

A simple google search will turn up a bunch. 113 were convicted just in
Minnesota since the last election, and if you read the article I posted,
you should be totally amazed anyone ever gets convicted of voter fraud.
The freaking politicians make it almost impossible to uncover the
fraud, and when it is, the refuse to do anything about it. Acorn has had
a slew of crooks convicted of voter fraud, but again, it is totally
amazing that anyone ever gets convicted, considering the politicians do
everything in their power to ignore what is going on, and generally
refuse to do anything about it when thrown in their face, as the above
referenced article clearly addresses.

--
Jack
Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life.
http://jbstein.com

On 8/14/2012 7:49 PM, HeyBub wrote:
It is a federal crime for a non-citizen to vote for a federal office.

It's a federal crime to break into our country and be here illegally,
and the Feds ignore that crime as well...

--
Jack
Got Change: Democratic Republic ====== Banana Republic!
http://jbstein.com

On 8/14/2012 8:05 PM, Han wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote in

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2918453/posts

Didn't look at the link, sorry. Wasn't FL contested a few years back
because of "hanging chads" or whatever, that delivered the national
election to Bush?

Yes, the chads were hanging because the democrats were trying to punch
too f***ing many fake cards at one time. The voter machine manufacturer
said the machine was designed for one card at a time, and to get hanging
chads and dimpled cards, you would have to try punching many cards at
once. Now the F***ing politicians have gone to electronic machines so
you don't even know who gets the vote you cast, and checking would be
impossible.

Yes I think that voter fraud should be rooted out. Seriously. Really!

So you are for voter ID, right? Most democrats are against voter ID
even though you can bet they would find a way to get fake voter id's out
to all the dead, felons, illegals and donald ducks they could find. Of
course, with electronic voting, I wonder if voting means much today as
it is.

But how to do that? We would need honest and reliable civil servants for
that, who won't sell a few votes here and there to help the good
candidates. See where I am going? Perhaps the best way would be to
implant an RFID into every legal citizen and making sure his/her vote
gets properly registered. All that socalled privacy and secrecy is just
show. Let's dispense with that. Right?

I think the purple thumb thing would work 100% better than what we have
now. I'd like a finger print thing instead of a voter ID. You can bet
that ain't happening with the crooks in office now.

--
Jack
Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life.
http://jbstein.com

On 8/14/2012 11:50 PM, HeyBub wrote:

Civil servants do not conduct the elections, volunteers do. That is, the
poll workers are either volunteers (GOP primaries) or paid temporary
workers. (Paid by the party in the case of a primary, or by the county or
city in the case of a general election.) And neither civil servants nor poll
workers are responsible for fraudulent votes.

The day after the 2004 election, I overheard a good friend of mine
talking to one of her girlfriends about the (Bush) election. She said
she was standing in line to vote and the poll worker checking the
registrations asked the girl in front of her where her mother was. "She
passed last month" was the reply. The poll worker acknowledged sorrow,
and said it's a shame, and gave her her mothers ticked and told her to
vote for her. This was in a black area where 99% vote democratic, and
democrats have run the city since the turn of the century. She seemed
perplexed and amazed that this could go on, and I asked why don't you
report this? She looked at me like I was a tropical fruit, making it
clear things would not go well for her in the land of democratic gang
bangers.

I don't think you could get away with that in my district, but who
knows, the poll workers are mostly old ladies between the ages of 80 and
100...

It is very difficult to mess with the returns or ballots after they are
cast.

Thus the wonders of electronic voting. How do they uncover fraud in a
machine? Really, I don't know, and I'm not comfortable with the concept.

I've worked on ballot security teams and the mantra is "prevent a
fraudulent ballot at all cost" because once a vote is cast, legit or dodgy,
it's virtually impossible to undo it.

This mantra may be true in most districts, or some districts, but I
guarantee not in all districts.

Read the link I posted to Han (http://tinyurl.com/3dv729h) to get an
idea of how hard it can be to get this stuff looked at. I think to
penalty for voter fraud should be death at best, by tar and feather at
worst...

It is imperative that every single conservative votes in this elections
and overwhelm the fraud. That's what happened in Florida when there
were so many voting against AlGore that the frantic democrats were
leaving hanging chads all over the place trying to punch too many fake
votes at a time...

--
Jack
Got Change: Inconvenient Truth ===== Convenient Lies!
http://jbstein.com

Only in the case of a "provisional" or
absentee ballot (usually) is it possible to tie a specific vote to a
specific person.

It's not totally impossible for the election headquarters to mess with the
results. When you get a chance, look up "Landslide Lyndon."

Poll workers process each voter by the numbers - you do this, you go there,
etc. If all the workers are Democrats (I'll skip how they are selected),
they are back-stopped by Republican poll-watchers who make sure each step is
followed precisely. The Democrats usually don't bother sending poll watchers
to Republican precincts - they know that Republicans don't do nasty things
at the polling place*.

-----------
* Here's why: Democrats are universally concerned with outcome - the end
justifies the means, hence the vast preponderance of hanky-panky involves
Democrats. Republicans worship process - the means determine the result.
Consider the Republican insistence on picture-ID. They want to perfect the
process, to eliminate any error. The Democrats object because they believe
personal IDs will affect the results adversely. Process vs. results.

I guess my statement "Republicans don't do nasty things at the polling
place" needs some clarification. Consider an example:

In some heavily Democratic precincts, it's common for the Republicans to
hire off-duty police officers to stand, in full uniform, at the entrance to
the polling place with a clipboard. The thought is that 80% or so of the
voters have an outstanding criminal arrest warrant and that any potential
voter, upon seeing the cop, would look down and say "feet, make tracks!"

Is this "nasty"?

Only your hairdresser knows for sure.

Jack wrote in :

On 8/14/2012 8:05 PM, Han wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote in

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2918453/posts

Didn't look at the link, sorry. Wasn't FL contested a few years back
because of "hanging chads" or whatever, that delivered the national
election to Bush?

Yes, the chads were hanging because the democrats were trying to punch
too f***ing many fake cards at one time. The voter machine
manufacturer said the machine was designed for one card at a time, and
to get hanging chads and dimpled cards, you would have to try punching
many cards at once. Now the F***ing politicians have gone to
electronic machines so you don't even know who gets the vote you cast,
and checking would be impossible.

Yes I think that voter fraud should be rooted out. Seriously.
Really!

So you are for voter ID, right? Most democrats are against voter ID
even though you can bet they would find a way to get fake voter id's
out to all the dead, felons, illegals and donald ducks they could
find. Of course, with electronic voting, I wonder if voting means
much today as it is.

But how to do that? We would need honest and reliable civil servants
for that, who won't sell a few votes here and there to help the good
candidates. See where I am going? Perhaps the best way would be to
implant an RFID into every legal citizen and making sure his/her vote
gets properly registered. All that socalled privacy and secrecy is
just show. Let's dispense with that. Right?

I think the purple thumb thing would work 100% better than what we
have now. I'd like a finger print thing instead of a voter ID. You
can bet that ain't happening with the crooks in office now.

Yes, I'd like the purple thumb thing too. Get a free coffee with a
purple thumb at Dunkin Donuts!!

And yes, I'm a flaming liberal, but voter fraud is a really bad thing, so
just for the heck of it, let's eliminate the possibility of voter-level
fraud by instituting an ID requirement that is fool-proof right after the
next election, so in 4 years it will be fully established. Once that is
done, we can go after voting fraud at the counting and higher levels ...

Btw, what about the NY Times editorial today?
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/15/op...rimination-in-
ohio.html?hp

For the access impaired, let me know whether you want a pdf.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

Jack wrote in :

On 8/14/2012 7:49 PM, HeyBub wrote:
It is a federal crime for a non-citizen to vote for a federal office.

It's a federal crime to break into our country and be here illegally,
and the Feds ignore that crime as well...

Agriculture as we know it would cease if we didn't have illegal aliens
harvesting ... Guess who hires them

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

Jack wrote in :

On 8/14/2012 11:39 AM, Han wrote:
Jack wrote in :

On 8/13/2012 2:31 PM, Han wrote:

I find it funny that those who say that voter fraud is rampant
never seem to be able to get a link to established facts.

Please read this and you may be enlightened to why you don't get any
"established facts".

Sorry Han, I somehow left out the link to what I wanted you to read.

http://tinyurl.com/3dv729h

Please read it, and perhaps you will get an inkling as to what sort of
corruption is going on, and has been going on in this country.

It is difficult to establish "facts" if you
can't get the wolves to investigate their own duplicity. The facts
that are "established" as in court convictions are not reported much
in the lame stream media.

If voter fraud is so rampant, surely you can find some convictions
...

A simple google search will turn up a bunch. 113 were convicted just
in Minnesota since the last election, and if you read the article I
posted, you should be totally amazed anyone ever gets convicted of
voter fraud.
The freaking politicians make it almost impossible to uncover the
fraud, and when it is, the refuse to do anything about it. Acorn has
had a slew of crooks convicted of voter fraud, but again, it is
totally amazing that anyone ever gets convicted, considering the
politicians do everything in their power to ignore what is going on,
and generally refuse to do anything about it when thrown in their
face, as the above referenced article clearly addresses.

As you might have gathered by now, I am NOT condoning any kind of voter
fraud. But from a cursory reading shows a number of frauds in the 100
range (or did I read wrong?). Of the 5.3 million people in Minnesota
some 3 million are registered voters, according to state figures
http://www.sos.state.mn.us/index.aspx?page=531
I applaud such a great participation, especially the great turnout (near
80% in 2008). So how much difference could fraud on this scale have
made? Zero fraud is what we should strive for, but a problem should be
addressed in proportion to its severity.
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

On 08/14/2012 03:51 PM, Han wrote:
" wrote in
:

On 14 Aug 2012 15:39:59 GMT, Han wrote:

Jack wrote in :

On 8/13/2012 2:31 PM, Han wrote:

I find it funny that those who say that voter fraud is rampant
never seem to be able to get a link to established facts.

Your kidding, or you get all your info from the government
controlled media (NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, NY Times etc.)

At least not recent,
documented facts. I have heard the Mayor Daley etc jokes.

None of this matters any more. Soros is in charge of counting the
votes:

http://www.dailypaul.com/228915/span...as-in-november


Prepare to see a stolen election.

On 15 Aug 2012 11:13:04 GMT, Han wrote:

" wrote in
news
On 15 Aug 2012 00:09:08 GMT, Han wrote:

"HeyBub" wrote in
news:xKadne5aw4QnfrfNnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d@earthlink .com:

Han wrote:

Great link, right? Apart from the fact that there are only a few
people listed, out of millions (I hope) that voted, I was not
claiming that there is rampant voter fraud. Let the claimant show
the link. That has been thrown at me, you know. I'll be the first
to want to punish a fraudulent voter. On the other hand, I became
a green card holder and was disappointed I couldn't vote (and
didn't). But I thought it a good idea to try and become a citizen,
and was successful (I think in 1984).

In some few jurisdictions, you CAN vote for local offices. It is a
federal crime for a non-citizen to vote for a federal office.

That is correct, and the best way to phrase it. You have to draw the
line somewhere and I agree that green card holders should naturalize
first. And learn real English. It would help.

OMG! That's quite illiberal of you. ;-)

Well, it's me

There is no shortage of candidates for citizenship. Fluent English,
both written and oral, should be a requirement for a green card.

I forget what the requirements for the green card were in my (special)
case. The "interview" by the examiner was cute. Do you read a
newspaper? which? how often? (This was 1984, before the internet,
basically). I know you can guess my answers from Nassau county, NY

NY Post, right?

Such as that nice older
lady who didn't understand erased for privacy at the doctor's
office. Too many around here who (not that) only speak Russian,
Ukranian or Spanish.

It's not just "around here" (though the languages vary).

It's quite common, then.

Too. Although, around here at work it's usually Japanese (I work for a
Japanese company who's off-shored work here). ;-)

On 15 Aug 2012 12:51:07 GMT, Han wrote:

Jack wrote in :

On 8/14/2012 7:49 PM, HeyBub wrote:
It is a federal crime for a non-citizen to vote for a federal office.

It's a federal crime to break into our country and be here illegally,
and the Feds ignore that crime as well...

Agriculture as we know it would cease if we didn't have illegal aliens
harvesting ... Guess who hires them

It wouldn't cease at all. It might get more expensive, or, *perhaps* Congress
could come up with some great idea to allow *legal* seasonal workers.
Legalizing and regulating; what a concept. Nah, then it would be too hard to
get them to vote.

Tim Daneliuk wrote:
On 08/14/2012 03:51 PM, Han wrote:
" wrote in
:

On 14 Aug 2012 15:39:59 GMT, Han wrote:

Jack wrote in
:
On 8/13/2012 2:31 PM, Han wrote:

I find it funny that those who say that voter fraud is rampant
never seem to be able to get a link to established facts.

Your kidding, or you get all your info from the government
controlled media (NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, NY Times etc.)

At least not recent,
documented facts. I have heard the Mayor Daley etc jokes.

None of this matters any more. Soros is in charge of counting the
votes:


http://www.dailypaul.com/228915/span...as-in-november


Prepare to see a stolen election.

Do yourself a favor - type "scytl & vote" into a google search engine.
Then... read any one, or any number of the search results. Sheese - do
people even check things out anymore?

--

-Mike-

" wrote in
:

On 15 Aug 2012 11:13:04 GMT, Han wrote:

" wrote in
news
On 15 Aug 2012 00:09:08 GMT, Han wrote:

"HeyBub" wrote in
news:xKadne5aw4QnfrfNnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d@earthlin k.com:

Han wrote:

Great link, right? Apart from the fact that there are only a few
people listed, out of millions (I hope) that voted, I was not
claiming that there is rampant voter fraud. Let the claimant
show the link. That has been thrown at me, you know. I'll be
the first to want to punish a fraudulent voter. On the other
hand, I became a green card holder and was disappointed I
couldn't vote (and didn't). But I thought it a good idea to try
and become a citizen, and was successful (I think in 1984).

In some few jurisdictions, you CAN vote for local offices. It is a
federal crime for a non-citizen to vote for a federal office.

That is correct, and the best way to phrase it. You have to draw
the line somewhere and I agree that green card holders should
naturalize first. And learn real English. It would help.

OMG! That's quite illiberal of you. ;-)

Well, it's me

There is no shortage of candidates for citizenship. Fluent English,
both written and oral, should be a requirement for a green card.

I forget what the requirements for the green card were in my (special)
case. The "interview" by the examiner was cute. Do you read a
newspaper? which? how often? (This was 1984, before the internet,
basically). I know you can guess my answers from Nassau county, NY

NY Post, right?

Wrong, and you knew that

Such as that nice older
lady who didn't understand erased for privacy at the doctor's
office. Too many around here who (not that) only speak Russian,
Ukranian or Spanish.

It's not just "around here" (though the languages vary).

It's quite common, then.

Too. Although, around here at work it's usually Japanese (I work for
a Japanese company who's off-shored work here). ;-)

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On 15 Aug 2012 12:51:07 GMT, Han wrote:

Jack wrote in :

On 8/14/2012 7:49 PM, HeyBub wrote:
It is a federal crime for a non-citizen to vote for a federal
office.

It's a federal crime to break into our country and be here
illegally, and the Feds ignore that crime as well...

Agriculture as we know it would cease if we didn't have illegal aliens
harvesting ... Guess who hires them

It wouldn't cease at all. It might get more expensive, or, *perhaps*
Congress could come up with some great idea to allow *legal* seasonal
workers. Legalizing and regulating; what a concept. Nah, then it
would be too hard to get them to vote.

Yes it would get much more expensive. Much more equitable to the workers
as well. And I would be hugely in favor of legalizing immigrant workers,
of course with some regulation. That's how I got here after all. Fill
out the paperwork ...

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