Larry Jaques wrote in
:


I've only seen and used the vise on my bench in the past ten years.
g You know how it is: each and every horizontal surface is filled
within a minute of being cleared.

The solution to that (if you'd have seen my workspaces you'd be laughing
now) is to build more horizontal surfaces. Put stuff on there instead of
your bench and clean off your bench every now and again.

Eventually, you'll have enough horizontal surfaces that not all of them
will be full. Then you'll go to the store...

Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.

zzzzzzzzzz wrote:

How about a 3/4" plywood shelf on top of the stretchers. That would add a lot
of rigidity in side impacts and some heavy stuff stored there would help
stability.

Maybe down the road a bit. I am not without project ideas.

FWIW, this evening I:

-- turned it upside down and beveled the 4 feet
with a block plane (thanks tiredofspam).

-- added the 16 additional screws suggested by Swingman, countersunk.

-- added a .09" shim under one end of the rear top board to improve it's
fit--it's "close enough to perfect" at both ends (thanks Alabama). I
created it from a paint mixing stick and a sheet of 80 grit. And Yes,
the batteries in the Harbor Freight digital calipers DO always seem to
go dead on the shelf. I still used it to estimate I needed .1" reading
from its rule. I used the micrometer Doug Miller sold me to measure the
..09".

--I used WD-40 to clean all the gunk off the new vise my wife bought for
Christams about 5 years ago. I promptly got quite sick (at that time)
hand-sanding the piece of plywood I was going to put it on. I did
breathe a little of the dust. But as I've mentioned here before, I've
had issues just being in the same room with fresh plywood/particle board.

I'm wondering whether I might do okay with a couple of small pieces of
something along the lines of Baltic Birch style plywood to mount above
and below the bench for the vise (hoping that it outgasses less or
slower than cheaper plywood)? If you knew how sick I got/get you'd
understand my trepidation. It's a "scary shortness of breath" sick. But
knowing the source (s) makes it better than when you don't know...and I
already endured that. Last time I checked, the Formaldehyde-free
plywood that Home Depot sells was only "countertop-grade" stuff, and I
haven't tried it yet. I see little alternative but to experiment a
little. The Baltic Birch stuff would be handy for jigs too... Anyone
have a favorite homemade-plywood recipe?

Is counter-grade stuff good enough for my vise application (reviews say
it's got gaps in it...)? Other F-Free substitutes? To me, my sense of
well-being is more important than stability.

Cheers,
Bill

Larry Jaques wrote in
:


I've only seen and used the vise on my bench in the past ten years.
g You know how it is: each and every horizontal surface is filled
within a minute of being cleared.

Are you making adequate use of pegboard? I think that's where I'm going
next. I mean after I do the next 4 or 5 big projects on my list. I need
to get back to my drywall and painting, so I can get some of those
lights up!

I've seen some interesting storage ideas in Shop Notes, if you are
looking for a storage project!

A "Mobile clamp holder" is on my project list--a way to store the
fifteen 4-foot pipe clamps I got to glue a heavy workbench top
(someday), or a kitchen table top. My new impact driver should help make
easy work of that. I hope you are enjoying your new one.

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:12:20 -0500, Swingman wrote:
of years I had a Delta Mortiser more or less permanently attached to the
other end and never had a problem with it ... is your vise that heavy?

According to amazon.co.uk, it's 18.6 kilos, so that's just over 40lbs,
but mine doesn't have an integrated bench dog and their's does, so
it's not exactly the same. It's all I can do to lift this beast off
the ground and place it on the bench. I'm reasonably sure it's more
than twice as heavy as my Senco PC1010 20lb compressor. Think it's the
biggest vise that Record built.

It really is massive which was one of the reasons why I could see it
almost fifty yards away as I was driving by. Bought it at a deceased
owner's yard sale. Only decent tool that was there. No questions
asked, I paid the asked for $75 on the spot for it. This was before
the wheelchair, some thirtyfive years ago. Don't quite remember, but I
think I ran full speed back to the car with it and left pretty fast.

Bill wrote:

I'm wondering whether I might do okay with a couple of small pieces of
something along the lines of Baltic Birch style plywood to mount above
and below the bench for the vise (hoping that it outgasses less or
slower than cheaper plywood)? If you knew how sick I got/get you'd
understand my trepidation. It's a "scary shortness of breath" sick. But
knowing the source (s) makes it better than when you don't know...and I
already endured that. Last time I checked, the Formaldehyde-free
plywood that Home Depot sells was only "countertop-grade" stuff, and I
haven't tried it yet. I see little alternative but to experiment a
little. The Baltic Birch stuff would be handy for jigs too... Anyone
have a favorite homemade-plywood recipe?

Is counter-grade stuff good enough for my vise application (reviews say
it's got gaps in it...)? Other F-Free substitutes? To me, my sense of
well-being is more important than stability.

Cheers,
Bill


I spent a couple of (more) hours looking into plywood again tonight.
Enough. I have an old lengh of Ash. I think I'll try a couple of
pieces of that where I would have used the plywood, unless someone tells
me it's a crappy idea. Ash (White) scores 1320 on the Janka
Hardness Scale. I couldn't locate a Janka rating for any plywood to use
for the sake of comparison. I planned to get some Yellow Poplar to put
in my vise jaws, but perhaps two halves of a short length of 2by4 would
work just as well. My intuition says that may be better for working with
Yellow Poplar (as long as it will hold it)--and that's something I'd
like to do.

Bill

On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 02:33:48 -0400, Bill wrote:


Larry Jaques wrote in
:


I've only seen and used the vise on my bench in the past ten years.
g You know how it is: each and every horizontal surface is filled
within a minute of being cleared.

Are you making adequate use of pegboard? I think that's where I'm going
next. I mean after I do the next 4 or 5 big projects on my list. I need
to get back to my drywall and painting, so I can get some of those
lights up!

I'll start using pegboard the day I become a member of the Handyman
Club of America, Bill. (It'll be a cold day in hell, IOW.) I hate the
stuff.


I've seen some interesting storage ideas in Shop Notes, if you are
looking for a storage project!

I need to build and put up more cabinets. But that's AFTER I get rid
of all the sheer -crap- in my shop. I've reclaimed about 64 square
feet so far, with another 50 or so to go. I now have enough room to
finish the CNC router. Craigslist has been a boon, getting rid of
all the unfinished repair projects I decided didn't need to get done
in the first place. I got $100 for the riding mower with the blown
engine yesterday, but it wasn't stored inside. My yard is looking
better.


A "Mobile clamp holder" is on my project list--a way to store the
fifteen 4-foot pipe clamps I got to glue a heavy workbench top
(someday), or a kitchen table top.

I'm thinking about dismantling mine. It's in the way more often than
not, and I have wall space under the cabs.


My new impact driver should help make
easy work of that. I hope you are enjoying your new one.

Yeah, I love my Makita. What'd you buy, again?

--
However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results.
-- Sir Winston Churchill

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 20:37:30 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:18:44 -0500, Swingman wrote:

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 20:43:57 -0500, Swingman wrote:

On 6/20/2012 7:56 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:

How about a 3/4" plywood shelf on top of the stretchers. That would add a lot
of rigidity in side impacts and some heavy stuff stored there would help
stability.

Yep, you're right ... and that's the first thing I added to a similar
one about ten years ago:

http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/Bench.jpg

I'm still working off the old (1974?) Home Depot $25 Special made from
1-1/4" termite barf, 4x4 SPF, and pristine 1x4 pineywood.

My bench gets so cluttered that I find myself working on the 3/4" plywood
out feed table most of the time ... unsturdy folding legs and all.

I've only seen and used the vise on my bench in the past ten years.
g You know how it is: each and every horizontal surface is filled
within a minute of being cleared.

Nature abhors a horizontal space.

Well Bill you might try a quality respirator (for the formaldehyde) ,
and a fan together (for dust and form..) .
See if you can get a small squirrel cage fan... Then make an enclosure
for a high quality filter to catch the dust. Re-direct the output
outside using hoses.. That respirator and fan should solve your problem
unless you have a beard.

I'll post a picture of a sanding unit I made a long time ago shortly.

I promptly got quite sick (at that time)
hand-sanding the piece of plywood I was going to put it on. I did
breathe a little of the dust. But as I've mentioned here before, I've
had issues just being in the same room with fresh plywood/particle board.

I'm wondering whether I might do okay with a couple of small pieces of
something along the lines of Baltic Birch style plywood to mount above
and below the bench for the vise (hoping that it outgasses less or
slower than cheaper plywood)? If you knew how sick I got/get you'd
understand my trepidation. It's a "scary shortness of breath" sick. But
knowing the source (s) makes it better than when you don't know...and I
already endured that. Last time I checked, the Formaldehyde-free
plywood that Home Depot sells was only "countertop-grade" stuff, and I
haven't tried it yet. I see little alternative but to experiment a
little. The Baltic Birch stuff would be handy for jigs too... Anyone
have a favorite homemade-plywood recipe?

Is counter-grade stuff good enough for my vise application (reviews say
it's got gaps in it...)? Other F-Free substitutes? To me, my sense of
well-being is more important than stability.

Cheers,
Bill

On 6/21/2012 8:18 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:

I'll start using pegboard the day I become a member of the Handyman
Club of America, Bill. (It'll be a cold day in hell, IOW.) I hate the
stuff.

Larry tell us how you really feel...

Larry, with the little black plastic clips the holders don't come off.
They actually make good sense, unless you have a cabinet where every
tool has a spot.

I would love to make one to mount all my hand planes. But for now they
stay in the drawer.

On 6/21/2012 9:14 AM, tiredofspam wrote:


On 6/21/2012 8:18 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:

I'll start using pegboard the day I become a member of the Handyman
Club of America, Bill. (It'll be a cold day in hell, IOW.) I hate the
stuff.

Larry tell us how you really feel...

Larry, with the little black plastic clips the holders don't come off. They
actually make good sense, unless you have a cabinet where every tool has a spot.

I would love to make one to mount all my hand planes. But for now they stay in
the drawer.

I posted a picture of a hand plane rack that I made over on
alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking. Perhaps it would be of interest to you.

--
Any given amount of traffic flow, no matter how
sparse, will expand to fill all available lanes.
To reply, eat the taco.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/

Nice.
And Nice collection too. They look in good shape.

On 6/21/2012 1:18 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
On 6/21/2012 9:14 AM, tiredofspam wrote:


On 6/21/2012 8:18 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:

I'll start using pegboard the day I become a member of the Handyman
Club of America, Bill. (It'll be a cold day in hell, IOW.) I hate the
stuff.

Larry tell us how you really feel...

Larry, with the little black plastic clips the holders don't come off.
They
actually make good sense, unless you have a cabinet where every tool
has a spot.

I would love to make one to mount all my hand planes. But for now they
stay in
the drawer.

I posted a picture of a hand plane rack that I made over on
alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking. Perhaps it would be of interest to you.

On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 06:24:12 -0400, Bill wrote:

Bill wrote:

I'm wondering whether I might do okay with a couple of small pieces of
something along the lines of Baltic Birch style plywood to mount above
and below the bench for the vise (hoping that it outgasses less or
slower than cheaper plywood)? If you knew how sick I got/get you'd
understand my trepidation. It's a "scary shortness of breath" sick. But
knowing the source (s) makes it better than when you don't know...and I
already endured that. Last time I checked, the Formaldehyde-free
plywood that Home Depot sells was only "countertop-grade" stuff, and I
haven't tried it yet. I see little alternative but to experiment a
little. The Baltic Birch stuff would be handy for jigs too... Anyone
have a favorite homemade-plywood recipe?

Is counter-grade stuff good enough for my vise application (reviews say
it's got gaps in it...)? Other F-Free substitutes? To me, my sense of
well-being is more important than stability.

Cheers,
Bill


I spent a couple of (more) hours looking into plywood again tonight.
Enough. I have an old lengh of Ash. I think I'll try a couple of
pieces of that where I would have used the plywood, unless someone tells
me it's a crappy idea. Ash (White) scores 1320 on the Janka
Hardness Scale. I couldn't locate a Janka rating for any plywood to use
for the sake of comparison. I planned to get some Yellow Poplar to put
in my vise jaws, but perhaps two halves of a short length of 2by4 would
work just as well. My intuition says that may be better for working with
Yellow Poplar (as long as it will hold it)--and that's something I'd
like to do.

Wood won't be as strong as plywood, at least from the side. The idea of the
plywood is to keep the legs square. It's the same idea as 1/4" ply on the
back of a bookcase, except that it has to take a load, as well.

On 6/21/2012 12:35 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
Nice.
And Nice collection too. They look in good shape.

On 6/21/2012 1:18 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
On 6/21/2012 9:14 AM, tiredofspam wrote:


On 6/21/2012 8:18 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:

I'll start using pegboard the day I become a member of the Handyman
Club of America, Bill. (It'll be a cold day in hell, IOW.) I hate the
stuff.

Larry tell us how you really feel...

Larry, with the little black plastic clips the holders don't come off.
They
actually make good sense, unless you have a cabinet where every tool
has a spot.

I would love to make one to mount all my hand planes. But for now they
stay in
the drawer.

I posted a picture of a hand plane rack that I made over on
alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking. Perhaps it would be of interest to you.

Thanks. All have smooth soles and are "Type 11" models made from 1910-1918
(low-knob, three patent dates, V-logo blades) except for the No. 2 (a later
"Sweetheart" model) and the No. 5-1/4 (a Type 14) which weren't made during the
"Type 11" era. I use them all!

The rack works very well BTW, and is very convenient. It's SO much more handy
to reach right above the workbench (which is where I do 95% of my planing) and
pull down or put away the right plane than to go digging through a drawer or
cabinet. The rack took some time to build, but it was time well spent.

--
Any given amount of traffic flow, no matter how
sparse, will expand to fill all available lanes.
To reply, eat the taco.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 02:33:48 -0400, Bill wrote:


Larry Jaques wrote in
:


I've only seen and used the vise on my bench in the past ten years.
g You know how it is: each and every horizontal surface is filled
within a minute of being cleared.

Are you making adequate use of pegboard? I think that's where I'm going
next. I mean after I do the next 4 or 5 big projects on my list. I need
to get back to my drywall and painting, so I can get some of those
lights up!

I'll start using pegboard the day I become a member of the Handyman
Club of America, Bill. (It'll be a cold day in hell, IOW.) I hate the
stuff.

Maybe you just need to paint it? ducking I don't necessarily
like pegboard either, but I know the stuff has to go *somewhere*!
Maybe glue dowels into a piece of plywood, add paint for tool outlines
like in school, custom?




I've seen some interesting storage ideas in Shop Notes, if you are
looking for a storage project!

I need to build and put up more cabinets. But that's AFTER I get rid
of all the sheer -crap- in my shop. I've reclaimed about 64 square
feet so far, with another 50 or so to go. I now have enough room to
finish the CNC router. Craigslist has been a boon, getting rid of
all the unfinished repair projects I decided didn't need to get done
in the first place. I got $100 for the riding mower with the blown
engine yesterday, but it wasn't stored inside. My yard is looking
better.

Proud to hear it!



A "Mobile clamp holder" is on my project list--a way to store the
fifteen 4-foot pipe clamps I got to glue a heavy workbench top
(someday), or a kitchen table top.

I'm thinking about dismantling mine. It's in the way more often than
not, and I have wall space under the cabs.

Next time I use them on a project, I don't want to be looking for and
tripping over clamps! : )



My new impact driver should help make
easy work of that. I hope you are enjoying your new one.

Yeah, I love my Makita. What'd you buy, again?

Bosch 18v drill and impact driver and 4 half-sized batteries for $198,
w/3 year warrantee. I serioulsy considered buying the extra one you had
for sale, but after shipping it didn't make much sense. Good deal for
someone local. Portland, right?

The way Bosch was/is "dumping" their batteries, I expect they may be
about ready to move to another generation (20v?).


--
However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results.
-- Sir Winston Churchill

"Bill" wrote:

The Baltic Birch stuff would be handy for jigs too... Anyone have
a favorite homemade-plywood recipe?
-------------------------------------
Stay with birch for jigs which comes in 60" x 60" sheets.

Russian uses interior glue and isn't worth a hoot for laser cutting.

Finnish uses exterior glue.

Don't know what the other Eastern European mfg's use (Polish,
Romanian, etc).

Check with a supplier which won't be Home Depot.

Lew

Bill wrote:


Maybe you just need to paint it? ducking I don't necessarily
like pegboard either, but I know the stuff has to go *somewhere*!
Maybe glue dowels into a piece of plywood, add paint for tool outlines
like in school, custom?



You'll quickly grow to hate that idea Bill. It won't take long before you
find yourself wanting or needing to reorganize how you hang your tools.
That's the beauty of peg board - it is infinately changeable. Glue dowels
in place and your're pretty much stuck with that layout.

--

-Mike-

Bill wrote in :

*snip*

Maybe you just need to paint it? ducking I don't necessarily
like pegboard either, but I know the stuff has to go *somewhere*!
Maybe glue dowels into a piece of plywood, add paint for tool outlines
like in school, custom?


*snip*

Have a look at slatwall. While it's more expensive than pegboard, hooks
are good quality and cheap. I got a box of 96 for around $36, good
quality hooks that'll hold quite a bit of weight.

Slatwall makes it easy to reposition things (easier than pegboard!) and
can be mounted to studs (instead of drywall?--check codes etc) so it will
be plenty strong. The variety of hooks available is amazing, but not all
are cheap.

Menards has sheets for $36 for plain white (which is cheaper than painted
pegboard if you want to choose the color), or $42+ for other styles.
Beware the imitators--the "wall systems" that are 1-3 slatwall tracks and
some hooks. I can't speak to their quality, but their cost is
significantly more than the slatwall. We've all got saws here, buy the
sheets and cut them.

Slatwall is only part of a proper tool storage system. You'll need
drawers and shelves as well. It does help to have a bench to store stuff
on as well. *g*

Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.

On 06/21/2012 08:53 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
Bill wrote in :

*snip*

Maybe you just need to paint it? ducking I don't necessarily
like pegboard either, but I know the stuff has to go *somewhere*!
Maybe glue dowels into a piece of plywood, add paint for tool outlines
like in school, custom?


*snip*

Have a look at slatwall. While it's more expensive than pegboard, hooks
are good quality and cheap. I got a box of 96 for around $36, good
quality hooks that'll hold quite a bit of weight.

Slatwall makes it easy to reposition things (easier than pegboard!) and
can be mounted to studs (instead of drywall?--check codes etc) so it will
be plenty strong. The variety of hooks available is amazing, but not all
are cheap.

Menards has sheets for $36 for plain white (which is cheaper than painted
pegboard if you want to choose the color), or $42+ for other styles.
Beware the imitators--the "wall systems" that are 1-3 slatwall tracks and
some hooks. I can't speak to their quality, but their cost is
significantly more than the slatwall. We've all got saws here, buy the
sheets and cut them.

Slatwall is only part of a proper tool storage system. You'll need
drawers and shelves as well. It does help to have a bench to store stuff
on as well. *g*

Puckdropper


I really like cabinets with lots of adjustable shelves. I can clean out
the shop with a leaf blower. Peg board collects dust and is tough to
clean up.



--
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
-Winston Churchill

Mike Marlow wrote:
Bill wrote:


Maybe you just need to paint it? ducking I don't necessarily
like pegboard either, but I know the stuff has to go *somewhere*!
Maybe glue dowels into a piece of plywood, add paint for tool outlines
like in school, custom?



You'll quickly grow to hate that idea Bill. It won't take long before you
find yourself wanting or needing to reorganize how you hang your tools.
That's the beauty of peg board - it is infinately changeable. Glue dowels
in place and your're pretty much stuck with that layout.



Personally, I'm still on the fence. LJ was the one, I think, upon whom
the HCOA endowed with distinguished member status for publishing his
work Lost Tools: Looking through the pegboard holes. : )

I recall some of the hooks on the pegboard that my dad hung in the 70s
as being fickle (falling off occasionally), but someone mentioned some
improvements in the form of small rubber things that you attach to the
hooks (I'll investigate). My dad even made an easel shaped holder to
hold lots of his drafting supplies (triangles, etc.) which he set on his
piece of plywood--I mean drafting table, at home. ICYTTAH, the plywood
had a piece of very light cardboard attached, thin as a playing card and
printed like graph paper, which made it quite suitable for the purpose.
Tacks and/or masking tape hold the work down.

Having inherited some drafting supplies, I recently figured out the
value of a rule which shows 10ths of an inch. I used it, and a
calculator, to separate 9 1/4" into 5 equal intervals, for the screws,
on my table top. Not sure what 12th's (on my combination square) are
valuable for, unless they are to assist with re-scaling, say from 3:4 or
4:3.

Back to the topics, it seems like people can spend quite a bit of time
and effort organizing their stuff. There's an aspect of it that I find
respectful, sort of like sweeping up after you work.

"Puckdropper" puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote

Have a look at slatwall. While it's more expensive than pegboard, hooks
are good quality and cheap. I got a box of 96 for around $36, good
quality hooks that'll hold quite a bit of weight.

Slat wall is often available from businesses who no longer need it or are
going out of business. I have seen it come up on Craig's List several times
a year. Look under For Sale - Business. I have installed slat wall before.
There is a huge number of acrylic types of shelves available for them. New
very expensive. Used, quite reasonable.

Interesting enough, the used stuff is often the most expensive varieties.
I seen a bunch of it recently that was mirror faced slat wall. Can you see
your planes displayed on acrylic shelves against a mirror background?
Totally prohibitive if bought new. But picking it up used, it could work.

On 6/21/2012 1:33 AM, Bill wrote:

Are you making adequate use of pegboard?

I don't like pegboard, but the concept works too well to disregard. I
switched to the metal "Alligatorboard" instead, which solves some of the
problems with regular pegboard:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZHX9g11MqQ

--
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Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
http://gplus.to/eWoodShop

On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 06:01:56 -0500, Swingman wrote:


I don't like pegboard, but the concept works too well to disregard. I
switched to the metal "Alligatorboard" instead, which solves some of the
problems with regular pegboard:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZHX9g11MqQ

Admit it. You like the Alligatorboard just because of the Alligator
attack at the beginning of their ad.

On 6/22/2012 6:21 AM, Dave wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 06:01:56 -0500, Swingman wrote:


I don't like pegboard, but the concept works too well to disregard. I
switched to the metal "Alligatorboard" instead, which solves some of the
problems with regular pegboard:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZHX9g11MqQ

Admit it. You like the Alligatorboard just because of the Alligator
attack at the beginning of their ad.

Close ... I just like being thoroughly aggravated by the "music" and
testing my reactions before breakfast at how long it takes to hit the
mute button.

Actually, bought the product way before I found (this morning) the video
(the younger generation seems to prefer being entertained by things that
whiz, bang and move ... have to make up for lack of reading
comprehension somehow).


--
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Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
http://gplus.to/eWoodShop

Swingman wrote in
:

On 6/22/2012 6:21 AM, Dave wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 06:01:56 -0500, Swingman wrote:


I don't like pegboard, but the concept works too well to disregard.
I switched to the metal "Alligatorboard" instead, which solves some
of the problems with regular pegboard:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZHX9g11MqQ

Admit it. You like the Alligatorboard just because of the Alligator
attack at the beginning of their ad.

Close ... I just like being thoroughly aggravated by the "music" and
testing my reactions before breakfast at how long it takes to hit the
mute button.

Actually, bought the product way before I found (this morning) the
video (the younger generation seems to prefer being entertained by
things that whiz, bang and move ... have to make up for lack of
reading comprehension somehow).

+1

Funny that the where to buy locations are (for me) out of the way
hardware stores, but Amazon has has a supplier too ...

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

On 6/22/2012 7:06 AM, Han wrote:
Swingman wrote in
:

On 6/22/2012 6:21 AM, Dave wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 06:01:56 -0500, Swingman wrote:


I don't like pegboard, but the concept works too well to disregard.
I switched to the metal "Alligatorboard" instead, which solves some
of the problems with regular pegboard:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZHX9g11MqQ

Admit it. You like the Alligatorboard just because of the Alligator
attack at the beginning of their ad.

Close ... I just like being thoroughly aggravated by the "music" and
testing my reactions before breakfast at how long it takes to hit the
mute button.

Actually, bought the product way before I found (this morning) the
video (the younger generation seems to prefer being entertained by
things that whiz, bang and move ... have to make up for lack of
reading comprehension somehow).

+1

Funny that the where to buy locations are (for me) out of the way
hardware stores, but Amazon has has a supplier too ...

I bought my most recent alligator board locally at Northern Tool. Might
want to call the manufacturer, because when I first bought the product
the places that were supposed to carry it locally didn't keep it in
stock and would only order it for you. I called alligatorboard and they
assured me that NT generally kept it in stock at all stores, although
they weren't listed as such at the time ... sure enough, they had plenty
in all sizes on the show room floor.

Do find myself shopping Amazon more and more for shop stuff ... you just
have to anticipate need a few days in advance, although things seem to
actually beat the original delivery date specified. Had to unclog an AC
drain with my little corded/cordless DeWalt 2 gal shop vac the other day
and toasted the filter ... apparently the only place you can buy a
replacement filter for these things is online. One-click Amazon came
through in short order.

About the only time I deviate is when the shipping through the third
party takes longer. In that case can usually get it quicker going to the
horse's mouth.

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Swingman wrote in
:

On 6/22/2012 7:06 AM, Han wrote:
Swingman wrote in
:

On 6/22/2012 6:21 AM, Dave wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 06:01:56 -0500, Swingman
wrote:


I don't like pegboard, but the concept works too well to
disregard. I switched to the metal "Alligatorboard" instead, which
solves some of the problems with regular pegboard:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZHX9g11MqQ

Admit it. You like the Alligatorboard just because of the Alligator
attack at the beginning of their ad.

Close ... I just like being thoroughly aggravated by the "music" and
testing my reactions before breakfast at how long it takes to hit
the mute button.

Actually, bought the product way before I found (this morning) the
video (the younger generation seems to prefer being entertained by
things that whiz, bang and move ... have to make up for lack of
reading comprehension somehow).

+1

Funny that the where to buy locations are (for me) out of the way
hardware stores, but Amazon has has a supplier too ...

I bought my most recent alligator board locally at Northern Tool.
Might want to call the manufacturer, because when I first bought the
product the places that were supposed to carry it locally didn't keep
it in stock and would only order it for you. I called alligatorboard
and they assured me that NT generally kept it in stock at all stores,
although they weren't listed as such at the time ... sure enough, they
had plenty in all sizes on the show room floor.

Do find myself shopping Amazon more and more for shop stuff ... you
just have to anticipate need a few days in advance, although things
seem to actually beat the original delivery date specified. Had to
unclog an AC drain with my little corded/cordless DeWalt 2 gal shop
vac the other day and toasted the filter ... apparently the only place
you can buy a replacement filter for these things is online. One-click
Amazon came through in short order.

About the only time I deviate is when the shipping through the third
party takes longer. In that case can usually get it quicker going to
the horse's mouth.

No Northern Tool store within 100 miles ...
Global something wanted to add ridiculous shipping charges ...
Guess I have to venture into the recesses of Paterson, NJ

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Han
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On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 07:29:52 -0500, Swingman wrote:
Do find myself shopping Amazon more and more for shop stuff ... you just
have to anticipate need a few days in advance, although things seem to
actually beat the original delivery date specified.

You guys have it pretty good down there. I can't/don't order from
amazon.com because of the duty we get dumped on us.

There is an amazon.ca, but they don't stock half the stuff that the
..com division has and they charge more for the stuff that both *do*
stock. Doesn't matter about our monies being on par.

The US really *is* a capitalist country but you have to live there to
take advantage of it. When I win the lottery, I'm moving down there in
a flash.

On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 00:20:17 -0400, Bill wrote:

Mike Marlow wrote:
Bill wrote:


Maybe you just need to paint it? ducking I don't necessarily
like pegboard either, but I know the stuff has to go *somewhere*!
Maybe glue dowels into a piece of plywood, add paint for tool outlines
like in school, custom?



You'll quickly grow to hate that idea Bill. It won't take long before you
find yourself wanting or needing to reorganize how you hang your tools.
That's the beauty of peg board - it is infinately changeable. Glue dowels
in place and your're pretty much stuck with that layout.



Personally, I'm still on the fence. LJ was the one, I think, upon whom
the HCOA endowed with distinguished member status for publishing his
work Lost Tools: Looking through the pegboard holes. : )

Crom will getcha fer that one, bub. grrr


Back to the topics, it seems like people can spend quite a bit of time
and effort organizing their stuff. There's an aspect of it that I find
respectful, sort of like sweeping up after you work.

If you've ever slipped on sawdust while watching the tablesaw blade
spin down, you sweep or blow before doing secondaries every time after
that.

--
However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results.
-- Sir Winston Churchill

On 6/22/12 6:54 AM, Swingman wrote:
Close ... I just like being thoroughly aggravated by the "music" and
testing my reactions before breakfast at how long it takes to hit the
mute button.


Mine was already muted.... I made the mistake of un-muting it.


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-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
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Swingman wrote:
On 6/20/2012 4:48 AM, Bill wrote:
tiredofspam wrote:
Bill I agree with everyone else. The legs are too close together.
I also believe that your stretcher underneath needs to come out on the
side toward your work side. Since you have indicated you are using ply
for the top, your support should go close to the edge, but allow
yourself some clamp space. This will support your work better at the
edge if you wish to hammer a nail into something.


I posted 3 pics of the virtually-finished result, in case anyone would
like to see them. It's basically Swingman's design stretched to
58"L x27"W x 40"H. The height feels like it was made for me! : )

http://web.newsguy.com/MySite/

Thank you, again, to everyone who helped!

That should last you a while, good work! This is an effective, simple,
sturdy, versatile, and very inexpensive to make bench design which can
be knocked together in short order.

Swingman wrote:
On 6/20/2012 4:48 AM, Bill wrote:

I posted 3 pics of the virtually-finished result, in case anyone would
like to see them. It's basically Swingman's design stretched to
58"L x27"W x 40"H. The height feels like it was made for me! : )

http://web.newsguy.com/MySite/

Thank you, again, to everyone who helped!

That should last you a while, good work! This is an effective, simple,
sturdy, versatile, and very inexpensive to make bench design which can
be knocked together in short order.

Congratulations Swingman! I was just notified by email that your
workbench design made the "Daily Top 3 (Projects)" at lumberjocks.com.

They (and I) hope that their new 'Daily Top 3' badge on my project page
will make you smile.

It will also get a shoutout on Facebook and their Twitter stream.

-- LumberJocks
http://lumberjocks.com/

On 6/22/2012 8:35 PM, Bill wrote:
Swingman wrote:
On 6/20/2012 4:48 AM, Bill wrote:

I posted 3 pics of the virtually-finished result, in case anyone would
like to see them. It's basically Swingman's design stretched to
58"L x27"W x 40"H. The height feels like it was made for me! : )

http://web.newsguy.com/MySite/

Thank you, again, to everyone who helped!

That should last you a while, good work! This is an effective, simple,
sturdy, versatile, and very inexpensive to make bench design which can
be knocked together in short order.

Congratulations Swingman! I was just notified by email that your
workbench design made the "Daily Top 3 (Projects)" at lumberjocks.com.

They (and I) hope that their new 'Daily Top 3' badge on my project page
will make you smile.

It will also get a shoutout on Facebook and their Twitter stream.

-- LumberJocks
http://lumberjocks.com/

Congratulations, Bill ... the credit is entirely yours. We all stand on
the shoulders of those who came before when we collaborate on solutions
that work for our individual needs.

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