Well, I asked a lot of questions here, and got a lot of help, for that I thank all. Took me a loooooong time to get it done, but my son was good enough to give me an excuse along the way, he got run over by a semi truck on his bicycle. He has made a full recovery after 6 months of excellent medical care not the least of which was given by my bride. Yeah, I guess it's true you never stop worrying (he's 27).

But I digress, this is about me;+} I finished my project and here it is, open for all comments....

http://jtpryan.smugmug.com/Woodworki...4555892_Tk27gd

Thanks again for the guidance

Jim

On Oct 1, 12:47*pm, jtpr wrote:
Well, I asked a lot of questions here, and got a lot of help, for that I thank all. *Took me a loooooong time to get it done, but my son was good enough to give me an excuse along the way, he got run over by a semi truck on his bicycle. *He has made a full recovery after 6 months of excellent medical care not the least of which was given by my bride. *Yeah, I guess it's true you never stop worrying (he's 27).

But I digress, this is about me;+} I finished my project and here it is, open for all comments....

http://jtpryan.smugmug.com/Woodworki...4555892_Tk27gd

Thanks again for the guidance

Jim

Exquisite in style and execution. Very nicely done. (Nope...can't find
anything to bitch about)

On Oct 1, 12:47*pm, jtpr wrote:

Well, I asked a lot of questions here, and got a lot of help, for that I thank all. *Took me a loooooong time to get it done, but my son was good enough to give me an excuse along the way, he got run over by a semi truck on his bicycle. *He has made a full recovery after 6 months of excellent medical care not the least of which was given by my bride. *Yeah, I guess it's true you never stop worrying (he's 27).

But I digress, this is about me;+} I finished my project and here it is, open for all comments....

http://jtpryan.smugmug.com/Woodworki...4555892_Tk27gd

Thanks again for the guidance

Guidance...? Damn, you should be giving lessons. Very sweet island
and it fits very well with the rest of the house. What exactly is the
counter top made from?

Glad to hear that your son's made a full recovery. Not too many
people on bikes tangle with semis and break even.

R

Thank. The top is concrete. The sparkle is from the ground up sea shells. The drawer handles are boat cleats.

-Jim

On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 09:47:54 -0700 (PDT), jtpr
wrote:

Well, I asked a lot of questions here, and got a lot of help, for that I thank all. Took me a loooooong time to get it done, but my son was good enough to give me an excuse along the way, he got run over by a semi truck on his bicycle. He has made a full recovery after 6 months of excellent medical care not the least of which was given by my bride. Yeah, I guess it's true you never stop worrying (he's 27).

But I digress, this is about me;+} I finished my project and here it is, open for all comments....

http://jtpryan.smugmug.com/Woodworki...4555892_Tk27gd

Thanks again for the guidance

Outstanding, Jim. Beautiful unit, though I'm not too dippy about the
color choice for the countertop. Are those ball bearing glides?

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--Eleanor Roosevelt

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Well, I asked a lot of questions here, and got a lot of help, for that
I thank all. Took me a loooooong time to get it done, but my son was
good enough to give me an excuse along the way, he got run over by a
semi truck on his bicycle. He has made a full recovery after 6 months
of excellent medical care not the least of which was given by my
bride. Yeah, I guess it's true you never stop worrying (he's 27).

But I digress, this is about me;+} I finished my project and here it
is, open for all comments....

http://jtpryan.smugmug.com/Woodworki...4555892_Tk27gd

Thanks again for the guidance

Jim

Great job! And although not my color preference, that concrete does look
nice!

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wrote in
news:28869115.324.1317487674082.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqjw35:

Well, I asked a lot of questions here, and got a lot of help, for that
I thank all. Took me a loooooong time to get it done, but my son was
good enough to give me an excuse along the way, he got run over by a
semi truck on his bicycle. He has made a full recovery after 6 months
of excellent medical care not the least of which was given by my
bride. Yeah, I guess it's true you never stop worrying (he's 27).

But I digress, this is about me;+} I finished my project and here it
is, open for all comments....

http://jtpryan.smugmug.com/Woodworki...4555892_Tk27gd

Thanks again for the guidance

Jim

Great job!


Yep. Really nice! I'm a bit envious or your windows too.

Bill

On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 13:19:28 -0700 (PDT), jtpr wrote:

Thank. The top is concrete. The sparkle is from the ground up sea shells. The drawer handles are boat cleats.

The top is just painted with the sea shells mixed in?

Yeah, the color does not come across well in the pictures. It is actually a very deep red with a touch of black fleck. I think the camera flash alters it. It is a dye that is put in the concrete, not paint.

We live across the street from the water, so the windows maximize the view.

Jim

On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 20:09:26 -0700 (PDT), jtpr
wrote:

Yeah, the color does not come across well in the pictures. It is actually a very deep red with a touch of black fleck. I think the camera flash alters it. It is a dye that is put in the concrete, not paint.

The flash brought out either some mica flecks or white flecks, too.


We live across the street from the water, so the windows maximize the view.

Nice, brightly lit house.

--
It takes as much energy to wish as to plan.
--Eleanor Roosevelt

Those flecks are actually ground up sea shells. I went with concrete because it was the only thing I could get 2" thick without spending silly money. I just felt that the style of the carcass needed something thick on top. Anyway, that was more the brides decision then mine (as most things are).

On Sun, 2 Oct 2011 04:08:24 -0700 (PDT), jtpr
wrote:

Those flecks are actually ground up sea shells. I went with concrete
because it was the only thing I could get 2" thick without spending
silly money. I just felt that the style of the carcass needed something
thick on top. Anyway, that was more the brides decision then mine
(as most things are).

Oh, it's one of those homes where the hubby "I just work here."
Married life. I just don't understand it.

--
It takes as much energy to wish as to plan.
--Eleanor Roosevelt

On Sun, 2 Oct 2011 04:08:24 -0700 (PDT), jtpr wrote:

Those flecks are actually ground up sea shells. I went with concrete because it was the only thing I could get 2" thick without spending silly money. I just felt that the style of the carcass needed something thick on top. Anyway, that was more the brides decision then mine (as most things are).


I looks really nice, as is. I'd probably have done butcher block (though
1-3/4" is likely all I could get). Like you, my wife makes the decisions, but
only off a list of possibilities. Sometimes the list is short. ;-)

On Oct 1, 12:47 pm, jtpr wrote:

But I digress, this is about me;+} I finished my project and here it is,
open for all comments....

http://jtpryan.smugmug.com/Woodworki...4555892_Tk27gd

Thanks again for the guidance

Looks very nice. It is such a pleasure to see an island that is not a
particle board monstrosity. Clean lines. Nice wood. Quality kitchen
appliances. What is not to like?

Good job. Good on ya'.

On Oct 1, 12:47*pm, jtpr wrote:
Well, I asked a lot of questions here, and got a lot of help, for that I thank all. *Took me a loooooong time to get it done, but my son was good enough to give me an excuse along the way, he got run over by a semi truck on his bicycle. *He has made a full recovery after 6 months of excellent medical care not the least of which was given by my bride. *Yeah, I guess it's true you never stop worrying (he's 27).

But I digress, this is about me;+} I finished my project and here it is, open for all comments....

http://jtpryan.smugmug.com/Woodworki...4555892_Tk27gd

Thanks again for the guidance

Jim

I happen to really like the colour of the island top. Pay NO attention
to the old farts in here.

On 10/3/11 7:36 AM, Robatoy wrote:
On Oct 1, 12:47 pm, wrote:
Well, I asked a lot of questions here, and got a lot of help, for that I thank all. Took me a loooooong time to get it done, but my son was good enough to give me an excuse along the way, he got run over by a semi truck on his bicycle. He has made a full recovery after 6 months of excellent medical care not the least of which was given by my bride. Yeah, I guess it's true you never stop worrying (he's 27).

But I digress, this is about me;+} I finished my project and here it is, open for all comments....

http://jtpryan.smugmug.com/Woodworki...4555892_Tk27gd

Thanks again for the guidance

Jim

I happen to really like the colour of the island top. Pay NO attention
to the old farts in here.

I want to do a concrete counter top when I rebuild our kitchen.
I might be pickin his brain a little.


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On Oct 3, 12:23*pm, -MIKE- wrote:
On 10/3/11 7:36 AM, Robatoy wrote:

I happen to really like the colour of the island top. Pay NO attention
to the old farts in here.

I want to do a concrete counter top when I rebuild our kitchen.
I might be pickin his brain a little.

There's a designer/builder in SF by the name of Cheng that wrote an
excellent book on the topic.
http://www.concreteexchange.com

R

On Oct 1, 9:47*am, jtpr wrote:
Well, I asked a lot of questions here, an...

Thanks again for the guidance

Jim

Bold choice on the top material and color. You get extra points for
that. Way better than any vanilla approach you could have used.

Question: Did you use floating tenons for the apron to leg joint? I
see pins in both sides of the joint. One of my gripes with floating
tenons is that unless you do pin both sides it does not have the same
mechanical integrity asa pinned traditional M&T joint.

On 10/3/2011 12:38 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:


see pins in both sides of the joint. One of my gripes with floating
tenons is that unless you do pin both sides it does not have the same
mechanical integrity asa pinned traditional M&T joint.

Cite please.

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On Oct 3, 1:38*pm, "SonomaProducts.com" wrote:
On Oct 1, 9:47*am, jtpr wrote:

Well, I asked a lot of questions here, an...

Thanks again for the guidance

Jim

Bold choice on the top material and color. You get extra points for
that. Way better than any vanilla approach you could have used.

Question: Did you use floating tenons for the apron to leg joint? I
see pins in both sides of the joint. One of my gripes with floating
tenons is that unless you do pin both sides it does not have the same
mechanical integrity asa pinned traditional M&T joint.

Shear strength of glue will be excellent for the apron-tenon
joints.

On 10/3/2011 12:38 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
On Oct 1, 9:47 am, wrote:
Well, I asked a lot of questions here, an...

Thanks again for the guidance

Jim

Bold choice on the top material and color. You get extra points for
that. Way better than any vanilla approach you could have used.

Question: Did you use floating tenons for the apron to leg joint? I
see pins in both sides of the joint. One of my gripes with floating
tenons is that unless you do pin both sides it does not have the same
mechanical integrity asa pinned traditional M&T joint.

I recall FWW did a mechanical destruction lab test(+) a number of years
ago. W/O looking it up, my recollection is that the difference was
essentially noise; it certainly wasn't any major difference.

(+) They manufactured various joints from simple lap to full M&T in
their shop and took them to a uni lab (I want to say Case Western) where
the loading tests/measurements were done in one of their labs. It was
pretty well done as opposed to some of the writer-submitted homebrew
setups that often lack either control or decent measurement techniques,
etc., ...

--

Cite please.


I should clarify that this is my OPINION.

Show me a test with 100 year old glue where the unpinned joints are
the same as the pinned joints on pull out, then we can have a
conversation. Just MY gripe.

On 10/3/11 5:21 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:

Cite please.


I should clarify that this is my OPINION.

Show me a test with 100 year old glue where the unpinned joints are
the same as the pinned joints on pull out, then we can have a
conversation. Just MY gripe.

I suppose we'd all have to wait several decades to see when modern glues
would give out.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
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http://mikedrums.com

---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

On 10/3/2011 5:06 PM, dpb wrote:
On 10/3/2011 12:38 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:

see pins in both sides of the joint. One of my gripes with floating
tenons is that unless you do pin both sides it does not have the same
mechanical integrity asa pinned traditional M&T joint.

I recall FWW did a mechanical destruction lab test(+) a number of years
ago. W/O looking it up, my recollection is that the difference was
essentially noise; it certainly wasn't any major difference.

Exactly:

1. Half Lap = 1603 lbs to failure
2. Bridle = 1560 lbs
3. Splined Miter = 1498 lbs
4. 3/8" M&T = 1444 lbs
5. 3/8" Floating Tenon = 1396 lbs
6. Miter = 1374 lbs
7. 3/8" Wedged M&T = 1210 lbs
8. 3/8" Pinned M&T = 1162 lbs
9. 5/16" M&T = 988 lbs
10. Beadlock = 836 lbs
11. Dowelmax = 759 lbs
12. 1/4" M&T = 717 lbs
13. Pocket Screw = 698 lbs
14. Domino = 597 lbs
15. Biscuit = 545 lbs
16. Butt 473 lbs
17. Cope & Stick = 313 lbs
18. Stub Teneon = 200 lbs

(+) They manufactured various joints from simple lap to full M&T in
their shop and took them to a uni lab (I want to say Case Western) where
the loading tests/measurements were done in one of their labs. It was
pretty well done as opposed to some of the writer-submitted homebrew
setups that often lack either control or decent measurement techniques,
etc., ...

Answers, in advance, to the next previous statements made in support of
the contention:

Depending upon the grain direction of the traditional tenon, a floating
tenon can be stronger.

Pinning the M&T joint actually made for a weaker joint.

Wood, properly glued, tends to fail at the wood and not the glue surface.

No glued joint will not last "forever".

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Forget the quality of the glue, it is not the only factor and the same
factor in each case.

Which method has the most contact surface for glue to do it's magic on?

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"-MIKE-" wrote in message ...
I suppose we'd all have to wait several decades to see when modern
glues
would give out.


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-DIKE-

On 10/3/11 7:46 PM, m II wrote:
Forget the quality of the glue, it is not the only factor and the same
factor in each case.

Which method has the most contact surface for glue to do it's magic on?

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"-MIKE-" wrote in message ...
I suppose we'd all have to wait several decades to see when modern glues
would give out.


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-DIKE-


What grade are you in?


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http://mikedrums.com

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Another good contribution from Mike.

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"-MIKE-" wrote in message ...

On 10/3/11 7:46 PM, m II wrote:
Forget the quality of the glue, it is not the only factor and the
same
factor in each case.

Which method has the most contact surface for glue to do it's magic
on?

-----------
"-MIKE-" wrote in message ...
I suppose we'd all have to wait several decades to see when modern
glues
would give out.


--

-DIKE-


What grade are you in?


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-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

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On 10/4/2011 9:11 AM, m II wrote:
Another good contribution from Mike.

Leave Mike alone and find something to do that needs doing...



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"-MIKE-" wrote in message ...

On 10/3/11 7:46 PM, m II wrote:
Forget the quality of the glue, it is not the only factor and the same
factor in each case.

Which method has the most contact surface for glue to do it's magic on?

-----------
"-MIKE-" wrote in message ...
I suppose we'd all have to wait several decades to see when modern glues
would give out.


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What grade are you in?

It's definitely a "tit for tat" thing, sock puppet.

Stop top posting.

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Leave Mike alone and find something to do that needs doing...

jtpr wrote:
Well, I asked a lot of questions here, and got a lot of help, for
that I thank all. Took me a loooooong time to get it done, but my
son was good enough to give me an excuse along the way, he got run
over by a semi truck on his bicycle. He has made a full recovery
after 6 months of excellent medical care not the least of which was
given by my bride. Yeah, I guess it's true you never stop worrying
(he's 27).


The only thing left is to paint it white - to match the cabinets. And you're
done!