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I bought one of those 3.5 cu ft Cement Mixers from HFT and mixed two
80# bags of SAKRETE concrete mix accodring to the directions adding (at first) .75 gallons of water per bag. The mix was dry. And balls of mix developed .75" to about 1.5" and rolled about the mixer without mixing in very well. I wound up adding more water about a gallon per bag to get a mix that looked something like the mix the pros bring when I order several years from a regular cement truck. Or the mixes I used to do in a shallow plastic tub with hoe and rake to mix the SAKRETE. Adding the water was essential to getting a mix I felt comfortable with - with the exception that I fear the additional water might effectively ruin the mix and deck footers I was pouring. I thought to ask here in case anyone had experience mixing concrete in a similar mixer or the one from HFT. Or maybe one of you can point me to a source that will help answer my questions. Thank you. |
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On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 18:29:38 -0700 (PDT), Gooey wrote:
I bought one of those 3.5 cu ft Cement Mixers from HFT and mixed two 80# bags of SAKRETE concrete mix accodring to the directions adding (at first) .75 gallons of water per bag. The mix was dry. And balls of mix developed .75" to about 1.5" and rolled about the mixer without mixing in very well. I wound up adding more water about a gallon per bag to get a mix that looked something like the mix the pros bring when I order several years from a regular cement truck. Or the mixes I used to do in a shallow plastic tub with hoe and rake to mix the SAKRETE. Adding the water was essential to getting a mix I felt comfortable with - with the exception that I fear the additional water might effectively ruin the mix and deck footers I was pouring. I thought to ask here in case anyone had experience mixing concrete in a similar mixer or the one from HFT. Or maybe one of you can point me to a source that will help answer my questions. Thank you. Not in a mixer, but a gallon per bag is the mix I've always started with. Once in a while I've had to add a little (maybe a cup) more. |
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Gooey wrote:
I bought one of those 3.5 cu ft Cement Mixers from HFT and mixed two 80# bags of SAKRETE concrete mix accodring to the directions adding (at first) .75 gallons of water per bag. The mix was dry. And balls of mix developed .75" to about 1.5" and rolled about the mixer without mixing in very well. I wound up adding more water about a gallon per bag to get a mix that looked something like the mix the pros bring when I order several years from a regular cement truck. Or the mixes I used to do in a shallow plastic tub with hoe and rake to mix the SAKRETE. Adding the water was essential to getting a mix I felt comfortable with - with the exception that I fear the additional water might effectively ruin the mix and deck footers I was pouring. I thought to ask here in case anyone had experience mixing concrete in a similar mixer or the one from HFT. Or maybe one of you can point me to a source that will help answer my questions. Thank you. Can't point you to a source, so you'll have to do a little google legwork. That said - it's not the mixer's fault, it's doing it's job just fine. The amount of water to add is something of an artform - dependent upon a few variables. As long as you didn't pour it soupy, then don't worry about the strength. It'll be fine. -- -Mike- |
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On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 18:29:38 -0700 (PDT), Gooey
wrote: I bought one of those 3.5 cu ft Cement Mixers from HFT and mixed two 80# bags of SAKRETE concrete mix accodring to the directions adding (at first) .75 gallons of water per bag. The mix was dry. And balls of mix developed .75" to about 1.5" and rolled about the mixer without mixing in very well. I wound up adding more water about a gallon per bag to get a mix that looked something like the mix the pros bring when I order several years from a regular cement truck. Or the mixes I used to do in a shallow plastic tub with hoe and rake to mix the SAKRETE. Adding the water was essential to getting a mix I felt comfortable with - with the exception that I fear the additional water might effectively ruin the mix and deck footers I was pouring. It _very_ likely didn't. I've seen idiots fill holes with water, toss in the 4x4, dump in a bag of crete, stir with the 4x4, then set vertical. The resultant lump 'o crete was nice and solid the week after. I was fairly surprised. Do try to use as little water as possible, though. I thought to ask here in case anyone had experience mixing concrete in a similar mixer or the one from HFT. Or maybe one of you can point me to a source that will help answer my questions. Thank you. I should measure it the next time I put in a fence post. I believe I use about a gallon for a #60 bag of fence post mix. -- Life is an escalator: You can move forward or backward; you can not remain still. -- Patricia Russell-McCloud |
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"Larry Jaques" wrote It _very_ likely didn't. I've seen idiots fill holes with water, toss in the 4x4, dump in a bag of crete, stir with the 4x4, then set vertical. The resultant lump 'o crete was nice and solid the week after. I was fairly surprised. Do try to use as little water as possible, though. Sakrete makes a no-mix fence post formula. They also make a lightweight aggregate mix. |
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On 7/18/11 12:10 PM, Josepi wrote:
Your water may vary in wetness... Brilliant. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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On 07/18/2011 12:18 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 7/18/11 12:10 PM, Josepi wrote: Your water may vary in wetness... Brilliant. You beat me to it. -- "Our beer goes through thousands of quality Czechs every day." (From a Shiner Bock billboard I saw in Austin some years ago) To reply, eat the taco. http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/ |
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-MIKE- wrote:
On 7/18/11 12:10 PM, Josepi wrote: Your water may vary in wetness... Brilliant. http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=74&pcid=10 lowers surface tension. technically, it would make water 'wetter'. |
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Ohhh... the tension goes deep into the roots of the group, not just the
surface. ------- "chaniarts" wrote in message ... http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=74&pcid=10 lowers surface tension. technically, it would make water 'wetter'. |
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On 7/18/11 12:41 PM, chaniarts wrote:
-MIKE- wrote: On 7/18/11 12:10 PM, Josepi wrote: Your water may vary in wetness... Brilliant. http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=74&pcid=10 lowers surface tension. technically, it would make water 'wetter'. Well, that wouldn't be water, now, would it. That would be "water plus additive." That's no different than saying, your water may have more caffeine than other water and what you're actually talking about is coffee. Why am I even explaining this? -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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chaniarts wrote:
-MIKE- wrote: On 7/18/11 12:10 PM, Josepi wrote: Your water may vary in wetness... Brilliant. http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=74&pcid=10 lowers surface tension. technically, it would make water 'wetter'. Probably colder too! Cooler drinks? : ) |
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-MIKE- wrote:
On 7/18/11 12:41 PM, chaniarts wrote: -MIKE- wrote: On 7/18/11 12:10 PM, Josepi wrote: Your water may vary in wetness... Brilliant. http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=74&pcid=10 lowers surface tension. technically, it would make water 'wetter'. Well, that wouldn't be water, now, would it. That would be "water plus additive." That's no different than saying, your water may have more caffeine than other water and what you're actually talking about is coffee. Why am I even explaining this? But not very well. There is water, then there is water. With distilled water, you can float a paper clip on its surface. In some locals, there are enough dissolved solids to lower the surface tension sufficiently so the paper clip will not float. Distilled water is an insulator. Non-distilled water is a conductor. And so on. |
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Wow! Sure is a lot of A.D.D. in this group!
The poor OP gets one decent answer and the trolls want to fish for suckers based on an expression that entices the troll bait suckers. Pathetic... just pathetic. We must be pretty bored. (here comes the disputes about using the word `pretty`) --------------------- "HeyBub" wrote in message m... But not very well. There is water, then there is water. With distilled water, you can float a paper clip on its surface. In some locals, there are enough dissolved solids to lower the surface tension sufficiently so the paper clip will not float. Distilled water is an insulator. Non-distilled water is a conductor. And so on. |
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On 7/18/11 3:32 PM, HeyBub wrote:
-MIKE- wrote: On 7/18/11 12:41 PM, chaniarts wrote: -MIKE- wrote: On 7/18/11 12:10 PM, Josepi wrote: Your water may vary in wetness... Brilliant. http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=74&pcid=10 lowers surface tension. technically, it would make water 'wetter'. Well, that wouldn't be water, now, would it. That would be "water plus additive." That's no different than saying, your water may have more caffeine than other water and what you're actually talking about is coffee. Why am I even explaining this? But not very well. There is water, then there is water. With distilled water, you can float a paper clip on its surface. In some locals, there are enough dissolved solids to lower the surface tension sufficiently so the paper clip will not float. Distilled water is an insulator. Non-distilled water is a conductor. And so on. I guess you can go ahead and used distilled water for your concrete if it makes you feel better. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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-Mike- uses more than three IDs in same thread - Was (Deck Project - Concrete)
Hard to miss the gang members that jump in with the stupidest bunch of garbage one can find to carry on a conversation with himself. Note how they all have ADD, share a brain cell, and can`t think independently! ``water wetness`` ROFLMFAO All the OP wanted was a simple answer. get a threading reader and get with the 90s |
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On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 12:34:12 -0500, Steve Turner
wrote: On 07/18/2011 12:18 PM, -MIKE- wrote: On 7/18/11 12:10 PM, Josepi wrote: Your water may vary in wetness... Brilliant. You beat me to it. Why are you two feeding the damned trolls? Or do you -want- to make into our twit filters, too? sigh -- One word frees us of all the weight and pain of life: That word is love. -- Sophocles |
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On 7/18/2011 12:10 PM, Josepi wrote:
Your water may vary in wetness or the package may vary in moisture. Concrete wetness really doesn't matter except for it not getting all mixed (too dry) or too wet and it runs away on you. The consistency is only for your convenience of forming and working with it. Keep in mind concrete does not dry to harden but rather cure. Throw a bag of pre-mixed into the bottom of a river and it will still cure. Does river water have wetter water than say a lake? |
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On 7/18/2011 12:41 PM, chaniarts wrote:
-MIKE- wrote: On 7/18/11 12:10 PM, Josepi wrote: Your water may vary in wetness... Brilliant. http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=74&pcid=10 lowers surface tension. technically, it would make water 'wetter'. It is a chemical additive for coolant, not concrete. |
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On 7/18/11 4:48 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 12:34:12 -0500, Steve Turner wrote: On 07/18/2011 12:18 PM, -MIKE- wrote: On 7/18/11 12:10 PM, Josepi wrote: Your water may vary in wetness... Brilliant. You beat me to it. Why are you two feeding the damned trolls? Or do you -want- to make into our twit filters, too? sigh Yeah, I'm starting to get in that boat with ya. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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On 7/18/2011 5:10 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
"Larry Jaques" wrote It _very_ likely didn't. I've seen idiots fill holes with water, toss in the 4x4, dump in a bag of crete, stir with the 4x4, then set vertical. The resultant lump 'o crete was nice and solid the week after. I was fairly surprised. Do try to use as little water as possible, though. Sakrete makes a no-mix fence post formula. They also make a lightweight aggregate mix. i use the regular sakrete, put in dry. it'll rain eventually. works great. Most posts don't need concrete anyway if they are of proper depth. -- Steve Barker remove the "not" from my address to email |
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On 7/18/2011 5:53 PM, Steve Barker wrote:
On 7/18/2011 5:10 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: "Larry Jaques" wrote It _very_ likely didn't. I've seen idiots fill holes with water, toss in the 4x4, dump in a bag of crete, stir with the 4x4, then set vertical. The resultant lump 'o crete was nice and solid the week after. I was fairly surprised. Do try to use as little water as possible, though. Sakrete makes a no-mix fence post formula. They also make a lightweight aggregate mix. i use the regular sakrete, put in dry. it'll rain eventually. works great. Most posts don't need concrete anyway if they are of proper depth. I have probably built 30-40 fences. I replaced one a few years ago, we were able to simply pull the posts out of the ground with out digging or working the posts back and forth. The previous installer used the wait till rain technique. 8 years later the concrete was still uncured and powdery just like it came out of the bag. Apparently the top got a little wet, cured, and shielded the remainder. That fence failed about 12 years too early due to laziness |
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On Jul 18, 6:53*pm, Steve Barker wrote:
On 7/18/2011 5:10 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: "Most posts don't need concrete anyway if they are of proper depth." Actually, I am not setting posts. Rather U-shaped metal supports that posts fasten to and have a projection or two that is/are embedded in the pour. I have my reasons (for this approach) related to how I plan to attached the beams and joists on this low-level deck and based upon experience using them on another project. I've also had success following the directions on the bags of SAKRETE I get at LOWES - I buy the torn bags for half price. Thanks to those offering the feedback, suggestions and links. My project couldn't wait for same, but seems to be setting up (curing, thank you) quite nicely so far (24 Hours) as I covered the concrete with plastic and am keeping the surface damp for at least 48 hours before putting any stress on the fittings embedded therin. |
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Gooey wrote the following:
On Jul 18, 6:53 pm, Steve Barker wrote: On 7/18/2011 5:10 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: "Most posts don't need concrete anyway if they are of proper depth." The posts in this thread certainly don't need concrete. The thread is getting pretty deep without it. Actually, I am not setting posts. Rather U-shaped metal supports that posts fasten to and have a projection or two that is/are embedded in the pour. I have my reasons (for this approach) related to how I plan to attached the beams and joists on this low-level deck and based upon experience using them on another project. I've also had success following the directions on the bags of SAKRETE I get at LOWES - I buy the torn bags for half price. Thanks to those offering the feedback, suggestions and links. My project couldn't wait for same, but seems to be setting up (curing, thank you) quite nicely so far (24 Hours) as I covered the concrete with plastic and am keeping the surface damp for at least 48 hours before putting any stress on the fittings embedded therin. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY In the original Orange County. Est. 1683 To email, remove the double zeroes after @ |
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wasted the time of those who responded.
Lew Well, if the responses had indicated my extra water would kill the project I would have re-done the work. You are correct in that it would have been better all around if I'd asked before I mixed the concrete, but I didn't see the problem/issue until I started to mix the concrete. Catcha-22 |
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Gooey wrote:
wasted the time of those who responded. Lew Well, if the responses had indicated my extra water would kill the project I would have re-done the work. You are correct in that it would have been better all around if I'd asked before I mixed the concrete, but I didn't see the problem/issue until I started to mix the concrete. Catcha-22 So... not to be critical - but, if you follow the directions on the product you will usually come out just fine. There are those of us who sometimes wonder why people ask obvious questions when 1) the directions are very clear, and 2) they are going to go about it their own way anyway. Not that our wonder makes us right - it is just our wonder. What can I say - we're all just a little screwed up in some way... -- -Mike- |
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On 7/19/2011 12:02 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Gooey wrote: wasted the time of those who responded. Lew Well, if the responses had indicated my extra water would kill the project I would have re-done the work. You are correct in that it would have been better all around if I'd asked before I mixed the concrete, but I didn't see the problem/issue until I started to mix the concrete. Catcha-22 So... not to be critical - but, if you follow the directions on the product you will usually come out just fine. There are those of us who sometimes wonder why people ask obvious questions when 1) the directions are very clear, and 2) they are going to go about it their own way anyway. Not that our wonder makes us right - it is just our wonder. What can I say - we're all just a little screwed up in some way... Speak for yourself buddy! -- See Nad. See Nad go. Go Nad! To reply, eat the taco. http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/ |
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Steve Turner wrote:
On 7/19/2011 12:02 PM, Mike Marlow wrote: Gooey wrote: wasted the time of those who responded. Lew Well, if the responses had indicated my extra water would kill the project I would have re-done the work. You are correct in that it would have been better all around if I'd asked before I mixed the concrete, but I didn't see the problem/issue until I started to mix the concrete. Catcha-22 So... not to be critical - but, if you follow the directions on the product you will usually come out just fine. There are those of us who sometimes wonder why people ask obvious questions when 1) the directions are very clear, and 2) they are going to go about it their own way anyway. Not that our wonder makes us right - it is just our wonder. What can I say - we're all just a little screwed up in some way... Speak for yourself buddy! Correction - all of us but Steve. Geeze, that was embarassing - thanks for the correction Steve. I just hate it when that happens... -- -Mike- |
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Don't worry about the troll responses. Just don't feed them by giving
audience. The group is a success is indicated when you get these fools. They will always find something to poke at even if it is with the way you type your period character, at the end of your sentence....too much pressure or too little pressure on your keyboard, etc.... I have poured premixed concrete into a hole, dry, and walked away, if it will rain in the next day or so. It works just fine and you seem to know what you are doing. Have a good one! --------- "Gooey" wrote in message ... Well, if the responses had indicated my extra water would kill the project I would have re-done the work. You are correct in that it would have been better all around if I'd asked before I mixed the concrete, but I didn't see the problem/issue until I started to mix the concrete. Catcha-22 |
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Josepi wrote the following:
Don't worry about the troll responses. Just don't feed them by giving audience. The group is a success is indicated when you get these fools. They will always find something to poke at even if it is with the way you type your period character, at the end of your sentence....too much pressure or too little pressure on your keyboard, etc.... I have poured premixed concrete into a hole, dry, and walked away, if it will rain in the next day or so. It works just fine and you seem to know what you are doing. Have a good one! It's what my fence company did when they installed my 15 - 6' h x 8' w wooden fence posts. They only poured dry concrete in the corner posts and the posts that hold the gate hinges. All the rest were just buried without any concrete at all. It's been 25 years since. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY In the original Orange County. Est. 1683 To email, remove the double zeroes after @ |
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On 7/19/2011 12:35 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Steve Turner wrote: On 7/19/2011 12:02 PM, Mike Marlow wrote: Gooey wrote: wasted the time of those who responded. Lew Well, if the responses had indicated my extra water would kill the project I would have re-done the work. You are correct in that it would have been better all around if I'd asked before I mixed the concrete, but I didn't see the problem/issue until I started to mix the concrete. Catcha-22 So... not to be critical - but, if you follow the directions on the product you will usually come out just fine. There are those of us who sometimes wonder why people ask obvious questions when 1) the directions are very clear, and 2) they are going to go about it their own way anyway. Not that our wonder makes us right - it is just our wonder. What can I say - we're all just a little screwed up in some way... Speak for yourself buddy! Correction - all of us but Steve. Geeze, that was embarassing - thanks for the correction Steve. I just hate it when that happens... You couldn't help it; you're screwed up! I do appreciate the clarification though. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go mesmerize some more screwed-up people with my infinite wisdom. twitch twitch :-) -- See Nad. See Nad go. Go Nad! To reply, eat the taco. http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/ |
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On 7/19/2011 1:07 PM, Josepi wrote:
Don't worry about the troll responses. Just don't feed them by giving audience. The group is a success is indicated when you get these fools. They will always find something to poke at even if it is with the way you type your period character, at the end of your sentence....too much pressure or too little pressure on your keyboard, etc.... I have poured premixed concrete into a hole, dry, and walked away, if it will rain in the next day or so. It works just fine and you seem to know what you are doing. And what if it does not rain in a day or so? Kind of a stupid gamble. |
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Steve Turner wrote:
On 7/19/2011 12:35 PM, Mike Marlow wrote: Steve Turner wrote: On 7/19/2011 12:02 PM, Mike Marlow wrote: Gooey wrote: wasted the time of those who responded. Lew Well, if the responses had indicated my extra water would kill the project I would have re-done the work. You are correct in that it would have been better all around if I'd asked before I mixed the concrete, but I didn't see the problem/issue until I started to mix the concrete. Catcha-22 So... not to be critical - but, if you follow the directions on the product you will usually come out just fine. There are those of us who sometimes wonder why people ask obvious questions when 1) the directions are very clear, and 2) they are going to go about it their own way anyway. Not that our wonder makes us right - it is just our wonder. What can I say - we're all just a little screwed up in some way... Speak for yourself buddy! Correction - all of us but Steve. Geeze, that was embarassing - thanks for the correction Steve. I just hate it when that happens... You couldn't help it; you're screwed up! I do appreciate the clarification though. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go mesmerize some more screwed-up people with my infinite wisdom. twitch twitch :-) Oh **** - am I in that thread too? Geezus... this is getting too close to life with my wife... -- -Mike- |
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Leon wrote:
On 7/19/2011 1:07 PM, Josepi wrote: Don't worry about the troll responses. Just don't feed them by giving audience. The group is a success is indicated when you get these fools. They will always find something to poke at even if it is with the way you type your period character, at the end of your sentence....too much pressure or too little pressure on your keyboard, etc.... I have poured premixed concrete into a hole, dry, and walked away, if it will rain in the next day or so. It works just fine and you seem to know what you are doing. And what if it does not rain in a day or so? Kind of a stupid gamble. Well - I've dont it both ways. Obviously, the premixed concrete was well set up. Likewise though, the dry bags were equally set up after a couple of years. Couple of years only applies because that's when I had cause to dig around them again. Don't know how soon it actually happened, but I suspect it was by the next spring. -- -Mike- |
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On 7/19/11 2:08 PM, Leon wrote:
On 7/19/2011 1:07 PM, Josepi wrote: Don't worry about the troll responses. Just don't feed them by giving audience. The group is a success is indicated when you get these fools. They will always find something to poke at even if it is with the way you type your period character, at the end of your sentence....too much pressure or too little pressure on your keyboard, etc.... I have poured premixed concrete into a hole, dry, and walked away, if it will rain in the next day or so. It works just fine and you seem to know what you are doing. And what if it does not rain in a day or so? Kind of a stupid gamble. That and the fact that what really happens is you get a crispy shell of cured concrete covering the dry powder concrete on the inside. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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-MIKE- wrote:
On 7/19/11 2:08 PM, Leon wrote: On 7/19/2011 1:07 PM, Josepi wrote: Don't worry about the troll responses. Just don't feed them by giving audience. The group is a success is indicated when you get these fools. They will always find something to poke at even if it is with the way you type your period character, at the end of your sentence....too much pressure or too little pressure on your keyboard, etc.... I have poured premixed concrete into a hole, dry, and walked away, if it will rain in the next day or so. It works just fine and you seem to know what you are doing. And what if it does not rain in a day or so? Kind of a stupid gamble. That and the fact that what really happens is you get a crispy shell of cured concrete covering the dry powder concrete on the inside. I have to disagree. I have dug up posts that I've put in the ground and found the dry mix to be a solid mass as if I had poured it. it depends on the moisture of the ground. -- -Mike- |
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On 7/19/11 4:13 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
-MIKE- wrote: On 7/19/11 2:08 PM, Leon wrote: On 7/19/2011 1:07 PM, Josepi wrote: Don't worry about the troll responses. Just don't feed them by giving audience. The group is a success is indicated when you get these fools. They will always find something to poke at even if it is with the way you type your period character, at the end of your sentence....too much pressure or too little pressure on your keyboard, etc.... I have poured premixed concrete into a hole, dry, and walked away, if it will rain in the next day or so. It works just fine and you seem to know what you are doing. And what if it does not rain in a day or so? Kind of a stupid gamble. That and the fact that what really happens is you get a crispy shell of cured concrete covering the dry powder concrete on the inside. I have to disagree. I have dug up posts that I've put in the ground and found the dry mix to be a solid mass as if I had poured it. it depends on the moisture of the ground. location, location, location...It would have worked in the spring here, now not so much, Leon is in a drought area, probably wouldn't work so well. -- Froz... The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance. |
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FrozenNorth wrote:
location, location, location...It would have worked in the spring here, now not so much, Leon is in a drought area, probably wouldn't work so well. Correct. Ergo m reply. It cannot be flatly stated (as has been...) that pouring dry mix in the hole will result in less than a complete cure. -- -Mike- |
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On 7/19/11 3:13 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
-MIKE- wrote: On 7/19/11 2:08 PM, Leon wrote: On 7/19/2011 1:07 PM, Josepi wrote: Don't worry about the troll responses. Just don't feed them by giving audience. The group is a success is indicated when you get these fools. They will always find something to poke at even if it is with the way you type your period character, at the end of your sentence....too much pressure or too little pressure on your keyboard, etc.... I have poured premixed concrete into a hole, dry, and walked away, if it will rain in the next day or so. It works just fine and you seem to know what you are doing. And what if it does not rain in a day or so? Kind of a stupid gamble. That and the fact that what really happens is you get a crispy shell of cured concrete covering the dry powder concrete on the inside. I have to disagree. I have dug up posts that I've put in the ground and found the dry mix to be a solid mass as if I had poured it. it depends on the moisture of the ground. I'm assuming you broke it up? :-) Here's my opinion on the matter.... it's laziness for one. Secondly, if you can risk uncured concrete in a post hole, you probably don't need concrete in your post hole. Tamping a dry sand/stone mixture would probably suffice. Like someones else may have stated, most decks don't need concrete in the post holes. If the deck is built properly, it will act as one structure, and gravity will anchor it to the ground. Freeze and thaw can be dealt with my having proper footings under the posts, which depending on the circumstances, could be dry footings. Most fences only need concrete at the corners and every so many posts on long runs. Depending on the soil and how far down you can dig, you can get away with a dry pack, even on corners. If concrete is below the frost line on posts and dry fill above, you won't get any front lift. All Douchepi proved with his front statement is that he neglected to gid his holes deep enough. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 13:35:27 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
wrote: Steve Turner wrote: On 7/19/2011 12:02 PM, Mike Marlow wrote: Gooey wrote: wasted the time of those who responded. Lew Well, if the responses had indicated my extra water would kill the project I would have re-done the work. You are correct in that it would have been better all around if I'd asked before I mixed the concrete, but I didn't see the problem/issue until I started to mix the concrete. Catcha-22 So... not to be critical - but, if you follow the directions on the product you will usually come out just fine. There are those of us who sometimes wonder why people ask obvious questions when 1) the directions are very clear, and 2) they are going to go about it their own way anyway. Not that our wonder makes us right - it is just our wonder. What can I say - we're all just a little screwed up in some way... Speak for yourself buddy! Correction - all of us but Steve. Geeze, that was embarassing - thanks for the correction Steve. I just hate it when that happens... Rightio! Nobody can say Steve is only a LITTLE screwed up, can they? gd&r -- Progress is the product of human agency. Things get better because we make them better. Things go wrong when we get too comfortable, when we fail to take risks or seize opportunities. -- Susan Rice |
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Hey Gooey, I don't mean to pick on you here, but remember the other day when
you replied that my WD-40 post was spam, spam, spam? And you provided links to web sites where the post appeared. Remember that? http://www.homeownershub.com/woodwor...e-518980-1.htm Does this make your post spam, spam, spam? I don't think it does. I think there are web sites that cull posts from newsgroups and post it on their own site. What do you think? Phil "Gooey" wrote in message ... I bought one of those 3.5 cu ft Cement Mixers from HFT and mixed two 80# bags of SAKRETE concrete mix accodring to the directions adding (at first) .75 gallons of water per bag. The mix was dry. And balls of mix developed .75" to about 1.5" and rolled about the mixer without mixing in very well. I wound up adding more water about a gallon per bag to get a mix that looked something like the mix the pros bring when I order several years from a regular cement truck. Or the mixes I used to do in a shallow plastic tub with hoe and rake to mix the SAKRETE. Adding the water was essential to getting a mix I felt comfortable with - with the exception that I fear the additional water might effectively ruin the mix and deck footers I was pouring. I thought to ask here in case anyone had experience mixing concrete in a similar mixer or the one from HFT. Or maybe one of you can point me to a source that will help answer my questions. Thank you. |
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