I have a feeling Google has finally driven me out of rec.woodworking.
I don't know what they THINK they did, but as of yesterday, every time
I open a thread, I get told I need to sign in to post a response. I'ma
lready signed in.

They've also changed the typeface, shrunk it,and overlaid a dropdown
menu telling me this is rec.woodworking plus all the other info about
the group, right over the upper left corner of the screen. It's like
my first wife: it won't go away.

Charlie Self wrote:
I have a feeling Google has finally driven me out of rec.woodworking.
I don't know what they THINK they did, but as of yesterday, every time
I open a thread, I get told I need to sign in to post a response. I'ma
lready signed in.

They've also changed the typeface, shrunk it,and overlaid a dropdown
menu telling me this is rec.woodworking plus all the other info about
the group, right over the upper left corner of the screen. It's like
my first wife: it won't go away.

The simple solution is to not post/read via Google.

--

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____________________________

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Charlie Self wrote in news:deef1861-3ca9-4921-
:

I have a feeling Google has finally driven me out of rec.woodworking.
I don't know what they THINK they did, but as of yesterday, every time
I open a thread, I get told I need to sign in to post a response. I'ma
lready signed in.

They've also changed the typeface, shrunk it,and overlaid a dropdown
menu telling me this is rec.woodworking plus all the other info about
the group, right over the upper left corner of the screen. It's like
my first wife: it won't go away.

Charlie, why not throw $10 at it and try out a 25GB credit at
astraweb.com? It has lasted me for a year now, and I still have a 24GB
credit.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

"Charlie Self" wrote in message
I have a feeling Google has finally driven me out of rec.woodworking.
I don't know what they THINK they did, but as of yesterday, every time
I open a thread, I get told I need to sign in to post a response. I'm
already signed in.

Google has been adding many options and new capabilities. I'd suggest you go
through all your Google settings and reset / renter them.

Charlie Self wrote:
I have a feeling Google has finally driven me out of rec.woodworking.
I don't know what they THINK they did, but as of yesterday, every time
I open a thread, I get told I need to sign in to post a response. I'ma
lready signed in.

They've also changed the typeface, shrunk it,and overlaid a dropdown
menu telling me this is rec.woodworking plus all the other info about
the group, right over the upper left corner of the screen. It's like
my first wife: it won't go away.

The problem lies more with you for using Google than with Google itself.

There are many news servers, some fee-based, many free. Your ISP may even
have one as part of its full-service offering.

Charlie Self wrote in news:deef1861-3ca9-4921-
:

I have a feeling Google has finally driven me out of rec.woodworking.
I don't know what they THINK they did, but as of yesterday, every time
I open a thread, I get told I need to sign in to post a response. I'ma
lready signed in.

They've also changed the typeface, shrunk it,and overlaid a dropdown
menu telling me this is rec.woodworking plus all the other info about
the group, right over the upper left corner of the screen. It's like
my first wife: it won't go away.

Sometimes a cookie or page gets screwed up on your system. Do you know
how to clear the cache and cookies? (In many browsers, you can delete
only certain cookies, so your other pages won't be affected.)

Otherwise, it's something on Google's end and there's nothing much you
can do other than file a bug report and/or complain to Google.

Puckdropper
--
"The potential difference between the top and bottom of a tree is the
reason why all trees have to be grounded..." -- Bored Borg on
rec.woodworking

To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm

On 2009-07-07, Charlie Self wrote:

my first wife: it won't go away.

Usenet, also known as newsgroups, has been around long before Google and
better methods of accessing and enjoying it have too. Get a good newsgroup
client (software) and a good usenet service provider. Here is some good
info:

http://www.newsgroupreviews.com/usenet-providers.html
http://www.newsreaders.com/

Using Google to read usenet is like like asking your MIL what your wife
said. Get a divorce and lose 'em both!


nb

Well, if ya gotta go, ya gotta go.

To me, it is like throwing out the baby with the bath water, but I
understand. FREE isn't what it once was as far as service,
reliability and ease of use.

I use GG as well, and from time to time they make some changes that
change the appearance and the user features as well. The changes can
be irritating, but I still find the price to features ratio worth the
irritation.

Robert

What you are describing is pretty much the way it has been for me
during the past few months since I started accessing through Google
Groups.

Didn't know I had a problem.

RonB

On 2009-07-07, RonB wrote:

Didn't know I had a problem.

Even if you've had some one hitting your thumb with a hammer since
childbirth, it still feels good when it stops.

nb

On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 02:34:39 -0700 (PDT), Charlie Self
wrote:

I have a feeling Google has finally driven me out of rec.woodworking.
I don't know what they THINK they did, but as of yesterday, every time
I open a thread, I get told I need to sign in to post a response. I'ma
lready signed in.

They've also changed the typeface, shrunk it,and overlaid a dropdown
menu telling me this is rec.woodworking plus all the other info about
the group, right over the upper left corner of the screen. It's like
my first wife: it won't go away.

IMO, using Google for newsgroups is like using a fingernail file to sand a table
top..
I paid $30 for Agent a few years ago and love it.. I also pay $3 a month for
APN, a great news server...

Compared to what I've paid for small hand tools, this investment is nothing...
YMWV


mac

Please remove splinters before emailing

On Jul 7, 8:11*am, "Upscale" wrote:
"Charlie Self" wrote in message
I have a feeling Google has finally driven me out of rec.woodworking.
I don't know what they THINK they did, but as of yesterday, every time
I open a thread, I get told I need to sign in to post a response. I'm
already signed in.

Google has been adding many options and new capabilities. I'd suggest you go
through all your Google settings and reset / renter them.

I've done that. Twice. No difference.

On Jul 7, 7:20*am, Han wrote:
Charlie Self wrote in news:deef1861-3ca9-4921-
:

I have a feeling Google has finally driven me out of rec.woodworking.
I don't know what they THINK they did, but as of yesterday, every time
I open a thread, I get told I need to sign in to post a response. I'ma
lready signed in.

They've also changed the typeface, shrunk it,and overlaid a dropdown
menu telling me this is rec.woodworking plus all the other info about
the group, right over the upper left corner of the screen. It's like
my first wife: it won't go away.

Charlie, why not throw $10 at it and try out a 25GB credit at
astraweb.com? *It has lasted me for a year now, and I still have a 24GB
credit.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

Astraweb? Worth a shot, I guess.

On Jul 7, 9:22*am, "
wrote:
Well, if ya gotta go, ya gotta go.

To me, it is like throwing out the baby with the bath water, but I
understand. *FREE isn't what it once was as far as service,
reliability and ease of use.

I use GG as well, and from time to time they make some changes that
change the appearance and the user features as well. *The changes can
be irritating, but I still find the price to features ratio worth the
irritation.

Robert

It would be fine if I cold read all the posts, but somehow, they've
managed to run the whole deal to the far left of my screen, losing at
least one letter in each sentence. It's sad when a 24" monitor ain't
wide enough. Especially when it's a single program and all else works
just fine.

I don't hit the wreck that often these days, so if I fold the hand, it
won't deprive me of much, nor, in fact, will it deprive the wreck of
much.

On Jul 7, 8:11*am, "Upscale" wrote:
"Charlie Self" wrote in message
I have a feeling Google has finally driven me out of rec.woodworking.
I don't know what they THINK they did, but as of yesterday, every time
I open a thread, I get told I need to sign in to post a response. I'm
already signed in.

Google has been adding many options and new capabilities. I'd suggest you go
through all your Google settings and reset / renter them.

I've got a lot of Google programs on my machine. The NG is the only
one that has problems. No other programs have problems. I'm tired of
screwing with it, as this is about the fifth time in a year.

I can't wait to see Google's OS...on someone else's machine.

"Charlie Self" wrote

Astraweb? Worth a shot, I guess.
===========================

Works for me. I can't see paying monthly for something when I can make one
payment and have it last me a long time. I know nothing is forever on the
internet. But I have had good service and fully expect this to give me more
bang for my buck than other solutions.

On 2009-07-08, Jack Stein wrote:

Free is pretty darn good if you use http://www.eternal-september.org/
unless you want binaries. If you want binaries, I'd use the one you pay
for 25 gigs or whatever it is, and never pay again until you use up all
25 gigs. Someone in here uses that, and you can get a hell of a lot of
ABPW pictures with 25gigs.

If no binaries, you can get 5 gigs for $3 at usenet-news.net. I've had it
for 18 mos (I don't do binaries) and frequent a dozen groups. I've yet to use
even a 1/3 gig.

http://www.newsgroupreviews.com/usenet-news.html


nb

wrote:
Well, if ya gotta go, ya gotta go.

To me, it is like throwing out the baby with the bath water, but I
understand. FREE isn't what it once was as far as service,
reliability and ease of use.

Free is pretty darn good if you use http://www.eternal-september.org/
unless you want binaries. If you want binaries, I'd use the one you pay
for 25 gigs or whatever it is, and never pay again until you use up all
25 gigs. Someone in here uses that, and you can get a hell of a lot of
ABPW pictures with 25gigs.

--
Jack
Using FREE News Server: http://www.eternal-september.org/
http://jbstein.com

"Charlie Self" wrote in message
...
I have a feeling Google has finally driven me out of rec.woodworking.
I don't know what they THINK they did, but as of yesterday, every time
I open a thread, I get told I need to sign in to post a response. I'ma
lready signed in.

They've also changed the typeface, shrunk it,and overlaid a dropdown
menu telling me this is rec.woodworking plus all the other info about
the group, right over the upper left corner of the screen. It's like
my first wife: it won't go away.

For $3 a month Giganews will get'cha into any most any news group with no
hassle.

"Charlie Self" wrote:

I have a feeling Google has finally driven me out of
rec.woodworking.

Who is your ISP?

Lew

Lew Hodgett wrote:
"Charlie Self" wrote:

I have a feeling Google has finally driven me out of
rec.woodworking.

Who is your ISP?

He appears to be using wildblue.net, which looks to be *very* google
centric.

--
Froz...

On 2009-07-09, Jack Stein wrote:

Ya butt E-S is FREE. Paying $3 for something that is free is goofy.
Would be like you sending me $3 for the air you breath... The only
reason to pay for air which is free, is if it were somehow better. You
are paying $3 for something worse, a 5 gig limit. OK, you will never
use 5 gigs of text, but E-S is NOT limited, and it is FREE.

Don't have a freakin' cow, dude! It was only a suggestion, not personal
attack on your worth as a human being. sheesh....

Besides, I'n not real happy with their TOU policy. To wit:

"Sender Address
The e-mail addresses given in "From:", "Reply-To:", and "Sender:" SHOULD be
yours (i.e. you should be entitled to use it) and SHOULD be valid (= should
not bounce because of invalidity)"......

I'm not real sure how strict they are on that "SHOULD", but I don't like the
implication. No matter. You seem to be happy with yours and I'm happy with
mine. What could be better. Relax and have a nice day.

nb

notbob wrote:
On 2009-07-08, Jack Stein wrote:

Free is pretty darn good if you use http://www.eternal-september.org/
unless you want binaries. If you want binaries, I'd use the one you pay
for 25 gigs or whatever it is, and never pay again until you use up all
25 gigs. Someone in here uses that, and you can get a hell of a lot of
ABPW pictures with 25gigs.

If no binaries, you can get 5 gigs for $3 at usenet-news.net. I've had it
for 18 mos (I don't do binaries) and frequent a dozen groups. I've yet to use
even a 1/3 gig.

http://www.newsgroupreviews.com/usenet-news.html

Ya butt E-S is FREE. Paying $3 for something that is free is goofy.
Would be like you sending me $3 for the air you breath... The only
reason to pay for air which is free, is if it were somehow better. You
are paying $3 for something worse, a 5 gig limit. OK, you will never
use 5 gigs of text, but E-S is NOT limited, and it is FREE.

Personally, I liked getting binaries free from comcast (giganews) and
enjoyed them. Not sure I want to pay for them now, even $3/month,
primarily because I suspect few people post in binary groups now because
they have to actually pay to participate. ABPW was not that active when
it was all free, so I can't imagine it would get busier. I used to like
Alt binaries picture original a lot, which had/has a lot of great
photographers and really nice people, and I suspect it is still really
active because those folks were pretty serious. It was so active when
everything was free, I couldn't keep up with it, so it may even be
better now. Still, I haven't decided to go through the aggravation of a
pay service. It's not just the $3/month for giganews, but getting the
money to them is an aggravation in itself.

--
Jack
Using FREE News Server: http://www.eternal-september.org/
http://jbstein.com

On Jul 9, 10:24*am, notbob wrote:
On 2009-07-09, Jack Stein wrote:

Ya butt E-S is FREE. *Paying $3 for something that is free is goofy.
Would be like you sending me $3 for the air you breath... The only
reason to pay for air which is free, is if it were somehow better. *You
are paying $3 for something worse, a 5 gig limit. *OK, you will never
use 5 gigs of text, but E-S is NOT limited, and it is FREE.

Don't have a freakin' cow, dude! *It was only a suggestion, not personal
attack on your worth as a human being. *sheesh....

Besides, I'n not real happy with their TOU policy. *To wit:

"Sender Address
The e-mail addresses given in "From:", "Reply-To:", and "Sender:" SHOULD be
yours (i.e. you should be entitled to use it) and SHOULD be valid (= should
not bounce because of invalidity)"......

I'm not real sure how strict they are on that "SHOULD", but I don't like the
implication. *No matter. *You seem to be happy with yours and I'm happy with
mine. *What could be better. *Relax and have a nice day. *

Just set up a throw-away Gmail account.

A) It is mine.
B) I am entitled to use it.
C) It is valid. - Will not bounce.
D) I have not once checked to see if there is any email there.
E) Giving a real, unadulterated, email account on a Usenet post is
more than dumb.

On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 15:24:53 +0000, notbob wrote:

Besides, I'n not real happy with their TOU policy. To wit:

"Sender Address
The e-mail addresses given in "From:", "Reply-To:", and "Sender:" SHOULD
be yours (i.e. you should be entitled to use it) and SHOULD be valid (=
should not bounce because of invalidity)"......

Throw away email accounts are easily acquired. I'm using one in this
post. So the above requirement should be no problem.

--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

notbob wrote:
On 2009-07-09, Jack Stein wrote:

Ya butt E-S is FREE. Paying $3 for something that is free is goofy.
Would be like you sending me $3 for the air you breath... The only
reason to pay for air which is free, is if it were somehow better. You
are paying $3 for something worse, a 5 gig limit. OK, you will never
use 5 gigs of text, but E-S is NOT limited, and it is FREE.

Don't have a freakin' cow, dude! It was only a suggestion, not personal
attack on your worth as a human being. sheesh....

My worth as a human being is hardly dependent on whether or not you pay
for air, or not...

Besides, I'n not real happy with their TOU policy. To wit:

"Sender Address
The e-mail addresses given in "From:", "Reply-To:", and "Sender:" SHOULD be
yours (i.e. you should be entitled to use it) and SHOULD be valid (= should
not bounce because of invalidity)"......

I wouldn't know, I never felt the need to hide anything, but my guess is
no one there would have a clue what return address you put in your mail
program unless bad things started happening.

I'm not real sure how strict they are on that "SHOULD", but I don't like the
implication.

I think, without reading it, the implication is he would prefer you use
usenet for legal purpose and not be hiding behind a fake address. I
don't think he has a problem if you add junk to your address in some
wacky attempt to prevent spam. I think he would have a problem if I
posted under say, your name with your email address, or were spewing out
spam across usenet using his servers. Nothing normal folks should be
concerned with.

No matter. You seem to be happy with yours and I'm happy with
mine. What could be better.

I liked it better when I got binaries free from Comcast/Giganews. Other
than that, I got nothing.

Relax and have a nice day.

Ditto.

--
Jack
Using FREE News Server: http://www.eternal-september.org/
http://jbstein.com

"Jack Stein" wrote in message
Ya butt E-S is FREE. Paying $3 for something that is free is goofy. Would
be like you sending me $3 for the air you breath...

I'd agree, but having had their service, I'm willing to pay $3 to get faster
service, less posting hassle, and all of the posts, not just "most" of them.
E-S is free, but not as good as the pay services from my experience.

On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:00:13 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

E) Giving a real, unadulterated, email account on a Usenet post is
more than dumb.

I have been using my real, valid and non-throwaway e-mail on Usenet
since about 1985. I have *never* received any appreciable amount of
spam as a result of my Usenet posts (some minor flaming in the past,
but that's OK). I did, however, make the mistake of putting a valid
e-mail on my web page so people could contact me. Within days I was
receiving dozens of message each day and now it is several hundred a
day - virtually all traceable to that posting on the web.

Usenet is pretty much not a problem to use your real e-mail. The web,
on the other hand....

Tim Douglass

http://www.DouglassClan.com

Two Down - Two to Go!

" wrote in
:

E) Giving a real, unadulterated, email account on a Usenet post is
more than dumb.

But every spam message I report helps make Yahoo!'s filtering better! They
tell me so every time I select the one or two a day I've been getting.

Puckdropper
--
"The potential difference between the top and bottom of a tree is the
reason why all trees have to be grounded..." -- Bored Borg on
rec.woodworking

To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in
:


"Jack Stein" wrote in message
Ya butt E-S is FREE. Paying $3 for something that is free is goofy.
Would be like you sending me $3 for the air you breath...

I'd agree, but having had their service, I'm willing to pay $3 to get
faster service, less posting hassle, and all of the posts, not just
"most" of them. E-S is free, but not as good as the pay services from
my experience.



One owner of a website pointed out that if you pay for service you've got
someone to complain to when (not if) something goes wrong. Sometimes
free services just cost too much.

Puckdropper
--
"The potential difference between the top and bottom of a tree is the
reason why all trees have to be grounded..." -- Bored Borg on
rec.woodworking

To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm

"Puckdropper" wrote

One owner of a website pointed out that if you pay for service you've got
someone to complain to when (not if) something goes wrong. Sometimes
free services just cost too much.

Ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

Tim Douglass writes:

On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:00:13 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

E) Giving a real, unadulterated, email account on a Usenet post is
more than dumb.

I have been using my real, valid and non-throwaway e-mail on Usenet
since about 1985. I have *never* received any appreciable amount of
spam as a result of my Usenet posts

This week, I received 9 spams addressed to email addresses I ONLY used
on USENET. 4 were send to emails I used in 2004, and 4 from addresses
I used in 2007.

One was harvested from google, because I can see the "...@" in the address.

It was worse when google was not munging email addresses.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
"Jack Stein" wrote in message
Ya butt E-S is FREE. Paying $3 for something that is free is goofy. Would
be like you sending me $3 for the air you breath...

I'd agree, but having had their service, I'm willing to pay $3 to get faster
service, less posting hassle, and all of the posts, not just "most" of them.
E-S is free, but not as good as the pay services from my experience.

I had Giganews for years and E-S is exactly the same as far as speed, no
lost posts and everything showing up? If I had your experience, I would
not be recommending E-S. The only difference I've seen is E-S does not
have binaries. Other than that, it's been close to perfect for me.

--
Jack
Using FREE News Server: http://www.eternal-september.org/
http://jbstein.com

Lee Michaels wrote:
"Puckdropper" wrote
One owner of a website pointed out that if you pay for service you've got
someone to complain to when (not if) something goes wrong. Sometimes
free services just cost too much.

Ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

This is bogus. E-S has a usenet group (motzarella.support) where you
can talk to the developers and users with any complaints, problems and
so on. You can participate as much as you want.

When Motzarella switched over to Eternal-September I got an email
several weeks before it was to happen, with instructions on exactly how
to make the switchover. When Comcast dropped Usenet on me, a service I
paid for, I got nothing, not one notice, nada.

Some people had problems making the switch, and support was instant and
thorough using the Motzarella support group. About the only way it
could be better is if your pay service provided a tech at your side when
an issue arouse, and my experience with techs has always been dismal
compared to support you get from developers and users in a group.

It's like finding out the best method, or product for a woodworking
issue. You get the best answers right here from your fellow
woodworkers. You get multiple views and multiple experiences, with no
bias from people trying to sell you stuff.

Anyway, if you guys can't get it working right, or can't believe free
can be good, don't let me stop you from spending money on free air or
free usenet.

--
Jack
Using FREE News Server: http://www.eternal-september.org/
http://jbstein.com

On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:07:59 -0400, Maxwell Lol
wrote:

Tim Douglass writes:

On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:00:13 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

E) Giving a real, unadulterated, email account on a Usenet post is
more than dumb.

I have been using my real, valid and non-throwaway e-mail on Usenet
since about 1985. I have *never* received any appreciable amount of
spam as a result of my Usenet posts

This week, I received 9 spams addressed to email addresses I ONLY used
on USENET. 4 were send to emails I used in 2004, and 4 from addresses
I used in 2007.

One was harvested from google, because I can see the "...@" in the address.

It was worse when google was not munging email addresses.

I was getting on the order of 500 spam emails a day. Since I munged
my address slightly, it's gone way down (20-50) and many are trivial
to filter (anything with a funky character in the subject, for
example).

On Jul 8, 2:43*pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
"Charlie Self" wrote:
I have a feeling Google has finally driven me out of
rec.woodworking.

Who is your ISP?

Lew

WildBlue, I guess. Satellite dish assholes. It rained yesterday, very,
very lightly, forcing me off line, so just now I tried Google again.
All is fine, after I signed in (even though I was already signed in).

On Jul 10, 12:16*am, Puckdropper puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote:
" wrote :

* * E) Giving a real, unadulterated, email account on a Usenet post is
more than dumb.

But every spam message I report helps make Yahoo!'s filtering better! *They
tell me so every time I select the one or two a day I've been getting. *

Puckdropper
--
"The potential difference between the top and bottom of a tree is the
reason why all trees have to be grounded..." -- Bored Borg on
rec.woodworking

To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm

Ah, yes. Yahoo Groups. I joined a Yahoo group about three years ago.
There was so much email, I tried to drop out, only to discover--gasp!--
I hadn't joined. Say what? I didn't belong, anyway. That was the
upshot.

My solution, since I'd used one of my Yahoo email addresses, was to
mark all email from that group as spam. After a couple of years, I'm
now down to maybe a dozen or so emails a week, for which I get the
"improving spam filtering" message.

Charlie Self wrote in
:


Ah, yes. Yahoo Groups. I joined a Yahoo group about three years ago.
There was so much email, I tried to drop out, only to
discover--gasp!-- I hadn't joined. Say what? I didn't belong, anyway.
That was the upshot.

My solution, since I'd used one of my Yahoo email addresses, was to
mark all email from that group as spam. After a couple of years, I'm
now down to maybe a dozen or so emails a week, for which I get the
"improving spam filtering" message.

Long time users of Yahoo! Groups expect things like this. They happen
often enough to be expected, but not often enough to be a real hassle.
Sometimes a problem will crop up and there's nothing you can do but say
Yah-Phooey!

I do feel your pain with Wildblue. AT&T (incompentant idiots) won't let
us have DSL, but my sister's house next door does. However, one part of
AT&T believes we can get DSL so they won't let us use a dial-up account
for internet access. We've got Wildblue now, where at least downloads
don't take forever.

Ever had a day or night just too nice to get a signal? It happens every
so often here.

Puckdropper
--
"The potential difference between the top and bottom of a tree is the
reason why all trees have to be grounded..." -- Bored Borg on
rec.woodworking

To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm

On 12 Jul 2009 19:28:08 GMT, Puckdropper
puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote:

Charlie Self wrote in
:


Ah, yes. Yahoo Groups. I joined a Yahoo group about three years ago.
There was so much email, I tried to drop out, only to
discover--gasp!-- I hadn't joined. Say what? I didn't belong, anyway.
That was the upshot.

My solution, since I'd used one of my Yahoo email addresses, was to
mark all email from that group as spam. After a couple of years, I'm
now down to maybe a dozen or so emails a week, for which I get the
"improving spam filtering" message.

Long time users of Yahoo! Groups expect things like this. They happen
often enough to be expected, but not often enough to be a real hassle.
Sometimes a problem will crop up and there's nothing you can do but say
Yah-Phooey!

I do feel your pain with Wildblue. AT&T (incompentant idiots) won't let
us have DSL, but my sister's house next door does. However, one part of
AT&T believes we can get DSL so they won't let us use a dial-up account
for internet access. We've got Wildblue now, where at least downloads
don't take forever.

What do you mean, "they won't let (you) use a dial-up account"? They
can hardly stop you, if you were so masochistic.

Ever had a day or night just too nice to get a signal? It happens every
so often here.

Puckdropper

krw wrote in
:

On 12 Jul 2009 19:28:08 GMT, Puckdropper
puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote:
*trim*
I do feel your pain with Wildblue. AT&T (incompentant idiots) won't
let us have DSL, but my sister's house next door does. However, one
part of AT&T believes we can get DSL so they won't let us use a
dial-up account for internet access. We've got Wildblue now, where at
least downloads don't take forever.

What do you mean, "they won't let (you) use a dial-up account"? They
can hardly stop you, if you were so masochistic.

Oh, we can use one, but they charge us out the nose for using their line
to access a third-party ISP. I guess it's against their TOS...

*trim*

Puckdropper
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