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Here's my vote: ANY Wagner homeowner's paint sprayer. I bought the
expensive one (The Paint Crew) first and then tried the $100 "Wide Shot". The sales help in the BORGs know nothing about any of these products, because, they tell me that Wagner has no reps and nobody to demonstrate or teach the products to them. The Owner's Manuals are disgustingly bad but I followed the directions to the best of my ability. I thinned the (latex) paint to the maximum allowed by the manufacturer. I strained the paint through a paint strainer, all just like they said. First of all "The Paint Crew" couldn't pump the paint at all. Even when it was thinned per manufacturer's specs. I continued to thin until the unit could actually pump but by that time, it was so thin that it just ran right off the work piece. Brought that one back. Got the "Wide Shot". This one actually worked with the thinned and strained paint - for about ten minutes until the first clog. Cleaned out the pickup tube and got 5 more minutes till the next clog. Cleaned again, got 2 more minutes. Thoroughly cleaned entire gun of all paint and started up again. Got 5 more minutes before it clogged again. Gave up, and returned this POS to the store. They didn't even bother to ask what was wrong, they just gave me the refund. I am sure these units will be repackaged and back on a shelf near you within a month. Never Wagner, ever again! Chuck |
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wrote in message ps.com... Here's my vote: ANY Wagner homeowner's paint sprayer. You haven't lived then. My Wagner actually works, and isn't bad for the price. My PC444 on the other hand... If it was $10 I would say fine, but not for $100. |
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wrote in message ps.com... Here's my vote: ANY Wagner homeowner's paint sprayer. I bought the expensive one (The Paint Crew) first and then tried the $100 "Wide Shot". The sales help in the BORGs know nothing about any of these products, because, they tell me that Wagner has no reps and nobody to demonstrate or teach the products to them. I have foolishly bought 3 different Wagner products over the last 25 years. I agree, If it has the name Wagner on it, it is probably not going to please you. |
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"Leon" wrote in message m... wrote in message ps.com... Here's my vote: ANY Wagner homeowner's paint sprayer. I bought the expensive one (The Paint Crew) first and then tried the $100 "Wide Shot". The sales help in the BORGs know nothing about any of these products, because, they tell me that Wagner has no reps and nobody to demonstrate or teach the products to them. I have foolishly bought 3 different Wagner products over the last 25 years. I agree, If it has the name Wagner on it, it is probably not going to please you. I recently purchased the Wagner Paint Eater to take paint off of siding. Worked GREAT. |
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wrote in message ps.com... Here's my vote: ANY Wagner homeowner's paint sprayer. Must be the new stuff. I have 2 Power Painters that work great. Painted 2 houses and stained another one with them. Had to thin latex some, but not a whole lot. Did you thin with Floetrol? My worst purchase was a DeWalt jigsaw. To replace my old (back when they weren't crap) B&D jigsaw. Completely useless. Start a cut, the blade jams in the wood, and the saw reciprocates up and down on the wood. Yes, I tried different blades. Solved it with a Bosch. Next in line would be the Delta 9" bandsaw. |
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"David" wrote in message . .. wrote: Here's my vote: ANY Wagner homeowner's paint sprayer. I bought the Agreed! I've got a Wagner sprayer sitting in the attic where it belongs until some noob buys it off me at a garage sale. Runner-up: Rotozip. Mostly I use it to grind my dog's nails down. Dave I used my Rotozip over the weekend to cut out the sink hole in a formica countertop. In woodworking it doesn't get much use, but I don't know what I would do without it when I am rehabbing houses. |
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On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:14:51 -0400, "gw" wrote:
wrote in message ups.com... Here's my vote: ANY Wagner homeowner's paint sprayer. Must be the new stuff. I have 2 Power Painters that work great. Painted 2 houses and stained another one with them. Had to thin latex some, but not a whole lot. Did you thin with Floetrol? My worst purchase was a DeWalt jigsaw. To replace my old (back when they weren't crap) B&D jigsaw. Completely useless. Years ago I bought a BIG top of the line Craftsman jigsaw that was absolute crap. It vibrated so badly it was useless, and kept shearing off a tiny pin inside that kept the head connected to the motor . It was HUGE but just like using a $29 cheapie. Then a couple years ago I decided to buy a Craftsman belt sander. It's useless with course 50-80 grit paper because it won't track them once they contact to wood and runs the paper into the housing chewing it up. Never again... Bought the Mastercrap Spinsaw, thought it might be handy cutting electrical box holes in plywood that went back a day later. Start a cut, the blade jams in the wood, and the saw reciprocates up and down on the wood. Yes, I tried different blades. Solved it with a Bosch. Next in line would be the Delta 9" bandsaw. My Bosch jigsaw is one of the best tools I've ever bought. |
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Locutus wrote:
"David" wrote in message . .. wrote: Here's my vote: ANY Wagner homeowner's paint sprayer. I bought the Agreed! I've got a Wagner sprayer sitting in the attic where it belongs until some noob buys it off me at a garage sale. Runner-up: Rotozip. Mostly I use it to grind my dog's nails down. Dave I used my Rotozip over the weekend to cut out the sink hole in a formica countertop. In woodworking it doesn't get much use, but I don't know what I would do without it when I am rehabbing houses. It does have some uses, but I had to repair mine early on, and other than cutting sheetrock (an unholy mess, unless you use the vacuum attachment, which I picked up at Sears), I've not found much use for it. My comments about it are purely from my personal POV. There must be SOME use for it, or I'd expect it to have been pulled from the market. Dave |
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I bought a Wagner power roller many years ago. Pre-use setup and
post-use cleaning took way longer than any time it might have saved in the rolling process. Plus, the infernal noise of the compressor running almost constantly left me with ringing ears and a splitting headache. I couldn't sell it at three garage sales.... but the insurance company finally paid for it when Hurricane Katrina flooded my house! |
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In article , "Charlie M. 1958" wrote:
I bought a Wagner power roller many years ago. Pre-use setup and post-use cleaning took way longer than any time it might have saved in the rolling process. There's a problem in general with almost all gadgets that are intended to make painting faster: they're speeding up the wrong part of the process. _By_far_ the most time-consuming aspect of doing a proper paint job is the prep work: patching, washing, scraping, sanding, masking, etc. The actual application of the paint goes quickly by comparison. Plus, the infernal noise of the compressor running almost constantly left me with ringing ears and a splitting headache. No ear protection? -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 18:08:27 GMT, "Leon"
wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Here's my vote: ANY Wagner homeowner's paint sprayer. I bought the expensive one (The Paint Crew) first and then tried the $100 "Wide Shot". The sales help in the BORGs know nothing about any of these products, because, they tell me that Wagner has no reps and nobody to demonstrate or teach the products to them. I have foolishly bought 3 different Wagner products over the last 25 years. I agree, If it has the name Wagner on it, it is probably not going to please you. On the airless sprayers I agree, but I got a HVLP Wagner which for a $100 was a bargain (spraying fencing was it first job). Mark (sixoneeight) = 618 |
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Never tried any Wagner. I've borrowed a professional ($800) paint
sprayer from a neighbor, and it works GREAT. My vote: A cheap Sears router (1/2 or 3/4 HP) from the early 90s. Height adjustment is done with a plastic ring that's clamped onto the base, and goes all the way around the motor. The motor itself is in a plastic housing, and has a spiral plastic thread that engages the height adjustment ring - or not, depending on the phase of the moon. And the height adjustment ring isn't tight, so it spins around by itself. All this gives rise to ... ARHA - a feature available only on Sears routers: Automatic Random Height Adjust -- The address in the header is invalid for obvious reasons. Please reconstruct the address from the information below (look for _). Ralph Becker-Szendy |
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Doug Miller wrote:
_By_far_ the most time-consuming aspect of doing a proper paint job is the prep work: patching, washing, scraping, sanding, masking, etc. The actual application of the paint goes quickly by comparison. So true! |
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Doug Miller wrote:
Plus, the infernal noise of the compressor running almost constantly left me with ringing ears and a splitting headache. No ear protection? Only used it once - would have definitely worn ear protection the second time. As I recall, there was no mention of that in the instructions - the compressor was only supposed to run intermittently. But the thing didn't seal properly - that was another problem. But, alas, taking the drudgery out of painting is a much more elusive goal than building a better mousetrap. |
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"Markem" wrote in message ... On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 18:08:27 GMT, "Leon" wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Here's my vote: ANY Wagner homeowner's paint sprayer. I bought the expensive one (The Paint Crew) first and then tried the $100 "Wide Shot". The sales help in the BORGs know nothing about any of these products, because, they tell me that Wagner has no reps and nobody to demonstrate or teach the products to them. I have foolishly bought 3 different Wagner products over the last 25 years. I agree, If it has the name Wagner on it, it is probably not going to please you. On the airless sprayers I agree, but I got a HVLP Wagner which for a $100 was a bargain (spraying fencing was it first job). My experience was that the product works great the first time. After that they never worked correctly. |
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On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:15:46 GMT, wrote:
On 12 Oct 2006 10:58:46 -0700, wrote: Here's my vote: ANY Wagner homeowner's paint sprayer. I bought the expensive one (The Paint Crew) first and then tried the $100 "Wide Shot". The sales help in the BORGs know nothing about any of these products, because, they tell me that Wagner has no reps and nobody to demonstrate or teach the products to them. Your way too hard on Wagner.. Some 30 years ago my brother bought one (about 40$) and offered to paint my car with it. Being dumber then than now, I agreed. The paint job actually looked good - from across the street, in the dark, and if you squinted . I have a Wagner, I inherited it a few years ago and it's never let me down. I've never tried it, and never plan to try it. |
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dpb wrote:
: If you want/need a decent but not terribly expensive spray unit, try : the lower-range Grayco that HD sells (or at least did a couple years : ago--haven't been back to see since it's 2-hr drive to get to one). : Have done the entire barn and house w/ oil primer and latex topcoat w/ : no problems. Wasn't cheap, but not terribly expensive, either. About : $200-250 iirc... I bought the next one up, which was either $299 or $399. Terrific tool -- painted a whole house interior faster than I would have thought possible, and pretty easy cleanup IF you follow the directions to a T. -- Andy Barss |
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In article , "Charlie M. 1958" wrote:
But, alas, taking the drudgery out of painting is a much more elusive goal than building a better mousetrap. I don't find painting to be drudgery at all -- I enjoy it. Painting is fun. It's the *prep* work that sucks. *That's* drudgery. That, and cleaning up afterward. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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Doug Miller wrote:
In article , "Charlie M. 1958" wrote: But, alas, taking the drudgery out of painting is a much more elusive goal than building a better mousetrap. I don't find painting to be drudgery at all -- I enjoy it. Painting is fun. It's the *prep* work that sucks. *That's* drudgery. That, and cleaning up afterward. That's exactly what I meant, Doug. Guess I wasn't quite clear. |
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A metal bender from Harbor Freight - First and last time I'll shop at that
junk shop. After getting the bender home, after assembling, it broke the first time I pulled on it. Returned it, second one snaped in the same place. Returned it, third one, same snap. Tossed it. Best tools - Lie-Nielsen planes/chisels - Snap-on hand tools. Dave |
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On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:34:45 -0700, "Teamcasa" wrote:
A metal bender from Harbor Freight - First and last time I'll shop at that junk shop. After getting the bender home, after assembling, it broke the first time I pulled on it. Returned it, second one snaped in the same place. Returned it, third one, same snap. Tossed it. Well at least you didn't go blind... |
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On Oct 12, 5:13 pm, wrote: On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:34:45 -0700, "Teamcasa" wrote: A metal bender from Harbor Freight - First and last time I'll shop at that junk shop. After getting the bender home, after assembling, it broke the first time I pulled on it. Returned it, second one snaped in the same place. Returned it, third one, same snap. Tossed it.Well at least you didn't go blind... STOPPIT you guys... I'm laughing so hard it hurts. |
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dpb wrote: wrote: Was the particular paint actually rated for spray application and if so, were airless sprayers recommended? Quite a few latex paints, particularly are not intended for spray application and some, even if are approved, have pretty specific requirements for suitable sprayers. That said, there are reasons why inexpensive tools are so... The paint can said it may be thinned to a certain ratio for spray application, which I did. I followed Wagner's (very feeble) directions to the tee. Sometimes I'll buy a cheap tool if I'm not sure how much I'm actually going to use it. If I find that I use the tool a lot and it's worth upgrading, I'll buy a better version. This has worked out well for me in most instances. I bought the Wagner (cheap) because I knew we are at the very end of a major remodel. Most of the painting is done, except for the damned extensive deck railing. This will have been my only use for the tool and I would have been happy to shell out the money if the tool worked at all. It did not. Lesson learned. Someone gave me great advice today: Rent a professional sprayer from my local rental center. Sounds like a great idea and that's my next move. Thanks, Chuck |
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On 2006/10/12 2:49 PM, "
wrote: Never tried any Wagner. I've borrowed a professional ($800) paint sprayer from a neighbor, and it works GREAT. My vote: A cheap Sears router (1/2 or 3/4 HP) from the early 90s. Height adjustment is done with a plastic ring that's clamped onto the base, and goes all the way around the motor. The motor itself is in a plastic housing, and has a spiral plastic thread that engages the height adjustment ring - or not, depending on the phase of the moon. And the height adjustment ring isn't tight, so it spins around by itself. All this gives rise to ... ARHA - a feature available only on Sears routers: Automatic Random Height Adjust Don't forget that collet that either releases the bit while you are routing or seizes up you have rap the bit with a hammer to loosen it. |
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On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:15:46 GMT, wrote:
Your way too hard on Wagner.. Some 30 years ago my brother bought one (about 40$) and offered to paint my car with it. Being dumber then than now, I agreed. The paint job actually looked good - from across the street, in the dark, and if you squinted . Hey, the Jackal used one to paint his white Alfa-Romeo blue (in The Day of the Jackal). He eluded capture for several days. It must be good. -- LRod Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999 http://www.woodbutcher.net Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997 email addy de-spam-ified due to 1,000 spams per month. If you can't figure out how to use it, I probably wouldn't care to correspond with you anyway. |
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Lee Valley corner-rounding gadgets (only things that cut worse than a
#45) Lee Valley scraper plane insert for a #4 (just not rigid enough) Japanese "saw rasp" from Axminster. Works beautifully on builder's insulation foam. So if all you ever work is foam, go get one. Even better, have mine. Japanese flush-cutting dowel saw. Any sander with less than a horsepower behind it. Eclipse honing guide. Narrow single roller wears a groove in your stone. I should point out that the LV tools weren't particularly bad, they were just particularly noticeable - becauseeverything else works so well. |
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On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:24:20 GMT, "Leon"
wrote: "Markem" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 18:08:27 GMT, "Leon" wrote: wrote in message roups.com... Here's my vote: ANY Wagner homeowner's paint sprayer. I bought the expensive one (The Paint Crew) first and then tried the $100 "Wide Shot". The sales help in the BORGs know nothing about any of these products, because, they tell me that Wagner has no reps and nobody to demonstrate or teach the products to them. I have foolishly bought 3 different Wagner products over the last 25 years. I agree, If it has the name Wagner on it, it is probably not going to please you. On the airless sprayers I agree, but I got a HVLP Wagner which for a $100 was a bargain (spraying fencing was it first job). My experience was that the product works great the first time. After that they never worked correctly. Don't you love quality control via the customer. Mark (sixoneeight) = 618 |
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On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:35:10 -0500, "Charlie M. 1958" wrote:
I bought a Wagner power roller many years ago. Pre-use setup and post-use cleaning took way longer than any time it might have saved in the rolling process. Plus, the infernal noise of the compressor running almost constantly left me with ringing ears and a splitting headache. My experience with them is just the opposite. A former neighbor had one of these things many years ago. His retirement scheme in the late 80's during the turndown was to buy up cosmetically challenged homes, fix them up, and then rent them to make the loan payment. I helped him paint 5 or 6 houses with this tool, and it performed flawlessly (except for one unforgettable burst hose caused by a nicked hose). The Power Roller is a great tool. It will really let you put on the paint - a gallon in 15 minutes if you work hard at it. Virtually no dripping once you get the hang of it. The efficiency trick is to paint all rooms and ceilings the same color - off white. It takes the better part of an hour to do a good cleanup job. Not a tool I would reach for to paint one room, but to paint an empty house all the same color? You bet. It would be my first choice. Regards, Roy |
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I have to agree with you on that one. Mine fell apart about 1' into a cut
and even Hercules couldn't tighten the cheap screws enough to make it hold its height. The POS didn't even last one project. I consider it the worst Christmas gift ever. But the most worthless I have is a Crapsman detail sander. The head vibrates so much side to side that it will ruin your work instead of sanding it. Took me 3 hours to fix a 1 minute use of it. I gonna feel bad for the person that buys it in a garage sale. Allen My vote: A cheap Sears router (1/2 or 3/4 HP) from the early 90s. Height adjustment is done with a plastic ring that's clamped onto the base, and goes all the way around the motor. The motor itself is in a plastic housing, and has a spiral plastic thread that engages the height adjustment ring - or not, depending on the phase of the moon. And the height adjustment ring isn't tight, so it spins around by itself. All this gives rise to ... ARHA - a feature available only on Sears routers: Automatic Random Height Adjust |
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"Bruce Barnett" wrote in message ... writes: The paint can said it may be thinned to a certain ratio for spray application, which I did. I followed Wagner's (very feeble) directions to the tee. You know - I had that same problem when I bought a Wagner 25 years ago. The only way it worked without jamming was if the paint was so thin you could see through it. And I always thought it was me. 25 years later and they still don't work? Shouldn't there be a "Wagnersucks.com" web site after all these years? With airless, you need to match the filter and the nozzle to the paint, otherwise you're going to blow a hole in the filter after which the nozzle is going to clog. Not just Wagner--any airless. -- Sending unsolicited commercial e-mail to this account incurs a fee of $500 per message, and acknowledges the legality of this contract. |
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wrote: dpb wrote: wrote: Was the particular paint actually rated for spray application and if so, were airless sprayers recommended? Quite a few latex paints, particularly are not intended for spray application and some, even if are approved, have pretty specific requirements for suitable sprayers. That said, there are reasons why inexpensive tools are so... The paint can said it may be thinned to a certain ratio for spray application, which I did. ... Well, it was a thought and something I had run into previously. ... Someone gave me great advice today: Rent a professional sprayer from my local rental center. Sounds like a great idea and that's my next move. .... For one-time if the rates aren't exorbitant or the required time is short enough, not a bad idea for sure. It seems like quite often what looks like a good reason for renting ends up costing me most of what I could have bought the thing for--and I don't have one, either... But, you can probably rent a really good unit for the cost of one of the lower-end Grayco and if you reallly don't have any further need no real loss and it's one less thing to store until you do. With the deck and railing just be sure you've protected against the overspray problem adequately... |
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In article , Markem markem
says... On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 18:08:27 GMT, "Leon" wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Here's my vote: ANY Wagner homeowner's paint sprayer. I bought the expensive one (The Paint Crew) first and then tried the $100 "Wide Shot". The sales help in the BORGs know nothing about any of these products, because, they tell me that Wagner has no reps and nobody to demonstrate or teach the products to them. I have foolishly bought 3 different Wagner products over the last 25 years. I agree, If it has the name Wagner on it, it is probably not going to please you. On the airless sprayers I agree, but I got a HVLP Wagner which for a $100 was a bargain (spraying fencing was it first job). Mark (sixoneeight) = 618 I just finished painting our house with a Wagner PaintCrew, and it seemed to go pretty good. |
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