Porter Cable "Bammer" What an absolute POS. Couldn't keep a gas
cartridge in it because it would leak down. More often than not you'd
get a weak denotation and a partially (often only slightly) driven nail.
Wish I had that $300 back.
--
"New Wave" Dave In Houston

On 12 Oct 2006 10:58:46 -0700, wrote:

All these posts and not one mentioning the 'good' old Ryobi Detail Sander.

I was so disgusted with a Wagner sprayer that I brought it back to HD
without cleaning it, and demanded, and got, my money back.

Doug Miller wrote:

There's a problem in general with almost all gadgets that are intended to make
painting faster: they're speeding up the wrong part of the process. _By_far_
the most time-consuming aspect of doing a proper paint job is the prep work:
patching, washing, scraping, sanding, masking, etc. The actual application of
the paint goes quickly by comparison.

If you have a large flat area (like priming drywall in a house or
painting all the ceilings one color), an 18 inch roller will really
speed up the painting process.

"justme" wrote in message
.. .


I just finished painting our house with a Wagner PaintCrew, and it seemed
to
go pretty good.

Wait till next time. If you did not get it "factory clean" you may have
different results.

Black & Decker detail sander. Bad bad bad. All about noise and
vibration and *nothing* about sanding. Total junk. POS

Porter Cable 555 biscuit joiner. The damn fence was a fight to get
parallel to the cutter. I didn't toss it, I sold it and recovered
about 80% of what I paid. Not completely a POS though.

The Rockler diamond coated cones for sharpening hollow mortise
chisels. The coating immediately removes itself from the cone upon
application to the chisel. POS.

Craftsman router bit sharpening system. A small stone to be mounted
to the router, a jig attached to the bottom of the router, align the
bit with the stone, turn on and move the bit over the stone. Junk. A
router bit destroying shark if you can get past the idea of spinning a
stone at 25,000 rpm. POS.

Craftsman jigsaw. POS All noise and vibration and very little actual
cutting of wood.

On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 04:21:21 -0400, JKevorkian
wrote:

On 12 Oct 2006 10:58:46 -0700, wrote:

All these posts and not one mentioning the 'good' old Ryobi Detail Sander.


There's a mention in someone else's posting about a detail sander.
And my own experience with the B&D detail sander.

Those two along with your Ryobi experience suggests that *all* detail
sanders are crap.

On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:30:55 -0500, George Max wrote:

There's a mention in someone else's posting about a detail sander.
And my own experience with the B&D detail sander.

Those two along with your Ryobi experience suggests that *all* detail
sanders are crap.

My detail sanders are arthritic, but definitely not crap. But they
came with the package.

Markem
(sixoneeight) = 618

George Max wrote:

Those two along with your Ryobi experience suggests that *all* detail
sanders are crap.


Fein?

We use a Wagner Control Spray to paint doors and have had very good results.
We have sprayed over 25 doors to date.

cm


wrote in message
ps.com...
Here's my vote: ANY Wagner homeowner's paint sprayer. I bought the
expensive one (The Paint Crew) first and then tried the $100 "Wide
Shot". The sales help in the BORGs know nothing about any of these
products, because, they tell me that Wagner has no reps and nobody to
demonstrate or teach the products to them.

The Owner's Manuals are disgustingly bad but I followed the directions
to the best of my ability. I thinned the (latex) paint to the maximum
allowed by the manufacturer. I strained the paint through a paint
strainer, all just like they said.

First of all "The Paint Crew" couldn't pump the paint at all. Even when
it was thinned per manufacturer's specs. I continued to thin until the
unit could actually pump but by that time, it was so thin that it just
ran right off the work piece. Brought that one back. Got the "Wide
Shot".

This one actually worked with the thinned and strained paint - for
about ten minutes until the first clog. Cleaned out the pickup tube and
got 5 more minutes till the next clog. Cleaned again, got 2 more
minutes. Thoroughly cleaned entire gun of all paint and started up
again. Got 5 more minutes before it clogged again. Gave up, and
returned this POS to the store. They didn't even bother to ask what was
wrong, they just gave me the refund. I am sure these units will be
repackaged and back on a shelf near you within a month. Never Wagner,
ever again!

Chuck

I also had an old Wagner airless sprayer with a two gallon bucket hopper on
top. I sprayed several homes both interior and exterior and made thousands
of dollars with it. We used it in our business for 12 years with no repairs.

cm
wrote in message
ps.com...
Here's my vote: ANY Wagner homeowner's paint sprayer. I bought the
expensive one (The Paint Crew) first and then tried the $100 "Wide
Shot". The sales help in the BORGs know nothing about any of these
products, because, they tell me that Wagner has no reps and nobody to
demonstrate or teach the products to them.

The Owner's Manuals are disgustingly bad but I followed the directions
to the best of my ability. I thinned the (latex) paint to the maximum
allowed by the manufacturer. I strained the paint through a paint
strainer, all just like they said.

First of all "The Paint Crew" couldn't pump the paint at all. Even when
it was thinned per manufacturer's specs. I continued to thin until the
unit could actually pump but by that time, it was so thin that it just
ran right off the work piece. Brought that one back. Got the "Wide
Shot".

This one actually worked with the thinned and strained paint - for
about ten minutes until the first clog. Cleaned out the pickup tube and
got 5 more minutes till the next clog. Cleaned again, got 2 more
minutes. Thoroughly cleaned entire gun of all paint and started up
again. Got 5 more minutes before it clogged again. Gave up, and
returned this POS to the store. They didn't even bother to ask what was
wrong, they just gave me the refund. I am sure these units will be
repackaged and back on a shelf near you within a month. Never Wagner,
ever again!

Chuck

On 12 Oct 2006 10:58:46 -0700, wrote:

My wife had their silly "power" roller when we met...
IMHO, it's as bad as the sprayer as far as taking more time to clean IT than
time it MIGHT save by using it..

My worst?
That would be my first Harbor Fright purchase.... A set of "clamping pliers"
(vise grip knockoffs)
The first time that I used them for anything that required any real clamping
force, the pressed threads in the handle unfolded and left the threaded bolt
wobbling and loose...

Here's my vote: ANY Wagner homeowner's paint sprayer. I bought the
expensive one (The Paint Crew) first and then tried the $100 "Wide
Shot". The sales help in the BORGs know nothing about any of these
products, because, they tell me that Wagner has no reps and nobody to
demonstrate or teach the products to them.

The Owner's Manuals are disgustingly bad but I followed the directions
to the best of my ability. I thinned the (latex) paint to the maximum
allowed by the manufacturer. I strained the paint through a paint
strainer, all just like they said.

First of all "The Paint Crew" couldn't pump the paint at all. Even when
it was thinned per manufacturer's specs. I continued to thin until the
unit could actually pump but by that time, it was so thin that it just
ran right off the work piece. Brought that one back. Got the "Wide
Shot".

This one actually worked with the thinned and strained paint - for
about ten minutes until the first clog. Cleaned out the pickup tube and
got 5 more minutes till the next clog. Cleaned again, got 2 more
minutes. Thoroughly cleaned entire gun of all paint and started up
again. Got 5 more minutes before it clogged again. Gave up, and
returned this POS to the store. They didn't even bother to ask what was
wrong, they just gave me the refund. I am sure these units will be
repackaged and back on a shelf near you within a month. Never Wagner,
ever again!

Chuck

Mac

https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis
https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm

On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:13:52 GMT, B A R R Y
wrote:

George Max wrote:

Those two along with your Ryobi experience suggests that *all* detail
sanders are crap.


Fein?

Maybe it's good. But the other manufacturers are destroying this
category of tool. I won't be taking a chance. after experiencing the
B&D "Mouse" and what's been written here.

In article om,
says...

Craftsman 9" disk / 6" belt sander. The belt never did track quite
straight -- even the tiniest tweak to the tracking adjustment would send
the belt skidding off to one side or the other, and it took only a few
seconds for it to cut completely through the *plastic* dust-collection
port when it did. Plus it was noisy as hell.

On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:16:12 GMT, Doug Miller wrote:

In article om,
says...

Craftsman 9" disk / 6" belt sander. The belt never did track quite
straight -- even the tiniest tweak to the tracking adjustment would send
the belt skidding off to one side or the other, and it took only a few
seconds for it to cut completely through the *plastic* dust-collection
port when it did. Plus it was noisy as hell.

LOL!
I had the same nasty tool. it was complete crap.
I think the only tool I ever bought from Sears that I wasn't disappointed with
was my first Radial Arm Saw. That was a nice tool. Well except for that nasty
planning accessory that nearly broke my fingers.
I loved the 10 inch sanding disk though.

Craftsman router. Not only did it have the random height feature, when you
twised the body to raise or lower the bit there was play in the mechanism so
it didn't necessarily go straight up and down.

-- Mark

On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:08:19 GMT, "Mark Jerde"
wrote:

Craftsman router. Not only did it have the random height feature, when you
twised the body to raise or lower the bit there was play in the mechanism so
it didn't necessarily go straight up and down.

-- Mark



sweet.

I've still got one

But once I got it dialed in with a dovetail cutter for 1/2" dovetails
in 1/2 stock using the Craftsman dovetail jig, I've let it alone. It
waits for that job.

On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:16:12 GMT, Doug Miller wrote:

In article om,
says...

Craftsman 9" disk / 6" belt sander. The belt never did track quite
straight -- even the tiniest tweak to the tracking adjustment would send
the belt skidding off to one side or the other, and it took only a few
seconds for it to cut completely through the *plastic* dust-collection
port when it did. Plus it was noisy as hell.

Kind of funny... my brother has that same machine and it's been nothing but
trouble, but I bought the same machine at Harbor Fright on sale for 1/2 the cost
of his Crapman WITH a stand and it's been a great work horse for almost 5 years
now...
You just never know what you're going to get, I guess..
Mac

https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis
https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm

When I lived in upstate NY, there was an outfit that sold 88-cent hand
tools. Thrifty me - I bought the 88-cent claw hammer that lost a claw
to the first nail that I tried to pull (10d as I recall). I pulled the
nail with a pair of pliars and a block of wood. Then when I tried to
re-nail the piece, the handle broke about 3" from the head.

I don't think I ever returned.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto

In article ,
says...

"justme" wrote in message
.. .


I just finished painting our house with a Wagner PaintCrew, and it seemed
to
go pretty good.

Wait till next time. If you did not get it "factory clean" you may have
different results.




I'm actually quite anal about getting and keeping things clean, so I'm hoping
for the best. Even if I have to junk it, it was cheaper than renting a
sprayer for the two days, and I don't plan on painting for as many years as
my wife will let me get away with.

On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:16:24 -0500, "Morris Dovey"
wrote:

When I lived in upstate NY, there was an outfit that sold 88-cent hand
tools. Thrifty me - I bought the 88-cent claw hammer that lost a claw
to the first nail that I tried to pull (10d as I recall). I pulled the
nail with a pair of pliars and a block of wood. Then when I tried to
re-nail the piece, the handle broke about 3" from the head.

I don't think I ever returned.

How hard is it to make a hammer? One might think this is one of the
most screw up proof tools. I stand corrected.

George Max wrote:
On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:16:24 -0500, "Morris Dovey"
wrote:

When I lived in upstate NY, there was an outfit that sold 88-cent hand
tools. Thrifty me - I bought the 88-cent claw hammer that lost a claw
to the first nail that I tried to pull (10d as I recall). I pulled the
nail with a pair of pliars and a block of wood. Then when I tried to
re-nail the piece, the handle broke about 3" from the head.

I don't think I ever returned.

How hard is it to make a hammer? One might think this is one of the
most screw up proof tools. I stand corrected.

Probably a junk pot metal casting from china

"Whatmeworry" wrote in message
news:8ysYg.4151$gM1.603@fed1read12...
George Max wrote:
On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:16:24 -0500, "Morris Dovey"
wrote:

When I lived in upstate NY, there was an outfit that sold 88-cent hand
tools. Thrifty me - I bought the 88-cent claw hammer that lost a claw
to the first nail that I tried to pull (10d as I recall). I pulled the
nail with a pair of pliars and a block of wood. Then when I tried to
re-nail the piece, the handle broke about 3" from the head.

I don't think I ever returned.

How hard is it to make a hammer? One might think this is one of the
most screw up proof tools. I stand corrected.

Probably a junk pot metal casting from china

This is why the Army pays 600 bucks for hammer. Not because it's 600 bucks
worth of tool but because it takes 600 bucks worth of tests to make sure
that they haven't been ripped off by the lowest bidder.

wrote in news:1160675925.993303.72840
@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:

Here's my vote: ANY Wagner homeowner's paint sprayer. I bought the
expensive one (The Paint Crew) first and then tried the $100 "Wide
Shot". The sales help in the BORGs know nothing about any of these
products, because, they tell me that Wagner has no reps and nobody to
demonstrate or teach the products to them.

The Owner's Manuals are disgustingly bad but I followed the directions
to the best of my ability. I thinned the (latex) paint to the maximum
allowed by the manufacturer. I strained the paint through a paint
strainer, all just like they said.

First of all "The Paint Crew" couldn't pump the paint at all. Even when
it was thinned per manufacturer's specs. I continued to thin until the
unit could actually pump but by that time, it was so thin that it just
ran right off the work piece. Brought that one back. Got the "Wide
Shot".

This one actually worked with the thinned and strained paint - for
about ten minutes until the first clog. Cleaned out the pickup tube and
got 5 more minutes till the next clog. Cleaned again, got 2 more
minutes. Thoroughly cleaned entire gun of all paint and started up
again. Got 5 more minutes before it clogged again. Gave up, and
returned this POS to the store. They didn't even bother to ask what was
wrong, they just gave me the refund. I am sure these units will be
repackaged and back on a shelf near you within a month. Never Wagner,
ever again!

Chuck


Anything B&D.

"Locutus" wrote in message
...

"David" wrote in message
. ..
wrote:
Here's my vote: ANY Wagner homeowner's paint sprayer. I bought the


Agreed! I've got a Wagner sprayer sitting in the attic where it belongs
until some noob buys it off me at a garage sale.

Runner-up: Rotozip. Mostly I use it to grind my dog's nails down.

Dave

I used my Rotozip over the weekend to cut out the sink hole in a formica
countertop. In woodworking it doesn't get much use, but I don't know what
I would do without it when I am rehabbing houses.

Used my rotary tool over the weekend as a laminate trimmer, installed a 1/4"
flush trim bit, worked great!

Robert Haar wrote:


ARHA - a feature available only on Sears routers:

Automatic
Random
Height
Adjust

Don't forget that collet that either releases the bit while you are routing
or seizes up you have rap the bit with a hammer to loosen it.

Oh yes, the Automatic Bit Release Feature.. Nothing like it.. Scared
the crap out of me enough to immediately stop working on the project
and buy a real router.

R. Pierce Butler wrote:

Anything B&D.

99% of what's in Harbor Frieght.

On 17 Oct 2006 13:52:16 -0700, "bf" wrote:


R. Pierce Butler wrote:

Anything B&D.

99% of what's in Harbor Frieght.

Harbor Freight sold me a real nice furniture dolly. I don't know that
it'd be possible to mess that up too much.

On 2006/10/17 4:45 PM, "bf" wrote:


Robert Haar wrote:


ARHA - a feature available only on Sears routers:

Automatic
Random
Height
Adjust

Don't forget that collet that either releases the bit while you are routing
or seizes up you have rap the bit with a hammer to loosen it.

Oh yes, the Automatic Bit Release Feature.. Nothing like it.. Scared
the crap out of me enough to immediately stop working on the project
and buy a real router.

Exactly! I was routing a dado on a router table. When the bit came loose, it
broke through the top of the work piece and scared me silly (although my
brother who also inhabits the wreck might say that condition is congenital).

Doug Miller wrote:

In article om,
says...

Craftsman 9" disk / 6" belt sander. The belt never did track quite
straight -- even the tiniest tweak to the tracking adjustment would send
the belt skidding off to one side or the other, and it took only a few
seconds for it to cut completely through the *plastic* dust-collection
port when it did. Plus it was noisy as hell.

I have the same machine. On the advise of Keeter I tried a couple of
wraps of electrical tape around the center of the idler drum to give it
sort of a crown. It still sucks but I can get it to track somewhat.

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA

bf wrote:

R. Pierce Butler wrote:

Anything B&D.


99% of what's in Harbor Frieght.


Anybody remember WEN tools...

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA

Nova wrote:

....

All dug out?

It's nice to see you're OK! G

Nova wrote:

Anybody remember WEN tools...



I remember Wen...

Anybody remember WEN tools...

Yes. I had a POS Wen jig saw. I did finally did the right thing--threw
it away.

Dave

On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:44:25 GMT, Nova wrote:

bf wrote:

R. Pierce Butler wrote:

Anything B&D.


99% of what's in Harbor Frieght.


Anybody remember WEN tools...

Were those the square looking aluminum body tools?

I didn't buy it, but I have had the frustrating experience of using one
of the new B&D jigsaws with the plastic wheel for locking down the
baseplate, which completely ruins the tool. A wing nut would be vastly
better.

I have a triangular detail sander that I dind less than useful. That
seems to be the consensus on these, unless it's a Fein.

5" rotary sander for $25 from Grizzly. The vibration murders your
hands, and as far as I can tell, there's no way to keep it from going
wobbly and wrecking the wood. Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but I
think I understand the concept of the sander, and this thing doesn't do
it. Maybe I got a lemon.

Nova wrote in news:JRsZg.5355$AR6.5341@trndny02:

bf wrote:

R. Pierce Butler wrote:

Anything B&D.


99% of what's in Harbor Frieght.


Anybody remember WEN tools...


Somebody, and it may have even been me, years ago, bought an electric WEN
chain saw. That POS was certainly in the running for the prize. Ugh!
Wouldn't cut anything right.

Patriarch

On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:44:25 GMT, Nova wrote:

bf wrote:

R. Pierce Butler wrote:

Anything B&D.


99% of what's in Harbor Frieght.


Anybody remember WEN tools...

Had a Wen soldering gun. Put together a fair number of Heathkits with
it.



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Mark & Juanita wrote:

: Had a Wen soldering gun. Put together a fair number of Heathkits with
: it.

Wen was that?


-- Andy Barss

On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 03:28:25 +0000 (UTC), Andrew Barss
wrote:

Mark & Juanita wrote:

: Had a Wen soldering gun. Put together a fair number of Heathkits with
: it.

Wen was that?


Actually, that was wen I was quite a bit younger than now.




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