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Lay out a sine curve?
I'm making a wine rack:
http://www.uniqueprojects.com/projec...k/winerack.htm and I was wondering how to lay out that sine curve on the piece of wood to cut it. At first I thought of using a disk of some sort, but that would yield a series of half-circles. If I can't finger this one out, that's probably what I'll wind up doing, but I was wondering if y'all had done something like this. Thanks, -Phil Crow |
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wrote in message oups.com... I'm making a wine rack: http://www.uniqueprojects.com/projec...k/winerack.htm and I was wondering how to lay out that sine curve on the piece of wood to cut it. At first I thought of using a disk of some sort, but that would yield a series of half-circles. If I can't finger this one out, that's probably what I'll wind up doing, but I was wondering if y'all had done something like this. The plans give a link to the pattern that they used http://www.uniqueprojects.com/projects/winerack/3b.pdf Print and attach to the wood! Frank |
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Frank Ketchum wrote: The plans give a link to the pattern that they used http://www.uniqueprojects.com/projects/winerack/3b.pdf Print and attach to the wood! Frank D'oh! Must have missed that on the read-through. Boy, is my face red. However, the question remains--what if I wanted a curve with a different amplitude or wavelength? This template idea crossed my mind, but how to generate such a curve? Can Autocad do it? I've just received a copy of Autocad 2005, but really don't have much clue as to how to actually use it. I've bought the "for dummies" book, but haven't sat down and dug in yet. At any rate, thanks, Frank. |
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On 18 Feb 2006 06:59:47 -0800, wrote:
I'm making a wine rack: http://www.uniqueprojects.com/projec...k/winerack.htm and I was wondering how to lay out that sine curve on the piece of wood to cut it. For future reference, if you want a real sine curve, and not an approximation [within the bounds of the tools and shaky hands] use a math program like Graphmatica, then copy/paste into a word processor or image editor for printing to the scale you want/need. Graphmatica is shareware, but free for those who can't afford it [so just use it if you can't.] PhotoFiltre , or "The Gimp" are freeware image editors. OpenOffice is a great free office suite with a wordprocessor and spreadsheet and much more. If you do it intelligently, you can do it to suit your project scale. One hint: in Graphmatica type in y = sin(x) for the unit sine curve, and you might want to change the default colours to black and white. You can change the equation if you want varied results; something like y = 3sin(x) or y = sin(3x) or whatever. You likely don't need that though. Or, any basic trig text shows how to draw it from the unit circle. |
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Morris Dovey wrote: (in ) said: Phil... I use DesignCAD and found that the "curve" (connect-the-dots with a smooth line) function will provide a close approximation when sufficiently many points are provided. I ended up writing a macro to produce a half-cycle cosine curve given the two end points (This gave me the ability to make smooth transitions between two horizontal lines, which was what I really wanted.) If you'd like, I can produce a full-cycle sine/cosine curve and attempt to export as a dwg or dxf file... -- Morris Dovey DeSoto Solar DeSoto, Iowa USA http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto Thanks, Morris, but I think I'll just use the pattern in the plans for this one. I do appreciate the effort, though. I guess my post was more in the spirit of knowing how for the next time, rather than having a "canned" curve to use. Writing macros, huh? Is that a hard thing to do? I can barely draw a straight line with Autocad, so I guess macros are not in my immediate future, but it's good to know that when I get there, there's a utility that will help me out for the next time. 'Preciate the feedback. -Phil Crow |
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Frank Ketchum wrote: The plans give a link to the pattern that they used http://www.uniqueprojects.com/projects/winerack/3b.pdf Print and attach to the wood! Frank D'oh! Must have missed that on the read-through. Boy, is my face red. However, the question remains--what if I wanted a curve with a different amplitude or wavelength? This template idea crossed my mind, but how to generate such a curve? Can Autocad do it? I've just received a copy of Autocad 2005, but really don't have much clue as to how to actually use it. I've bought the "for dummies" book, but haven't sat down and dug in yet. Sure, most CAD packages can do curve fitting or there not very much "CAD." I do it in turbocad. However, historically the problem with Autocad is that its more of a workbench. Its a corporate product and lots of the nifty features come in add-ons that you also have to pay for. But this particular feature should be built in. It may not be tweakable by the parameters you wish to tweak, but it can be done. At any rate, thanks, Frank. -- Thank you, "Then said I, Wisdom [is] better than strength: nevertheless the poor man's wisdom [is] despised, and his words are not heard." Ecclesiastes 9:16 |
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press F2 to see the commands/ review the co-ords you entered. F2 again to
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wrote in message oups.com... wrote: Frank Ketchum wrote: The plans give a link to the pattern that they used http://www.uniqueprojects.com/projects/winerack/3b.pdf Print and attach to the wood! Frank D'oh! Must have missed that on the read-through. Boy, is my face red. However, the question remains--what if I wanted a curve with a different amplitude or wavelength? This template idea crossed my mind, but how to generate such a curve? Can Autocad do it? I've just received a copy of Autocad 2005, but really don't have much clue as to how to actually use it. I've bought the "for dummies" book, but haven't sat down and dug in yet. You could plot points on paper for 0 to 90 degrees, connect the dots with a french curve, cut it out and use it as a template, flipping it from right-to-left and upside down as needed. -- FF Get Mastering Autocad by George O'mura. Autocad 2005 is a state of the art cad program. You need a good source of info. You probably can find a lisp routine using Google that will draw it. I suspect Mathcad could draw it. |
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"Lowell Holmes" wrote in message news:%gJJf.2715$6f2.438@trnddc02... wrote in message oups.com... SNIP FF Get Mastering Autocad by George O'mura. Autocad 2005 is a state of the art cad program. You need a good source of info. You probably can find a lisp routine using Google that will draw it. I suspect Mathcad could draw it. As I thought, the link will lead you to a free lisp routine. http://manufacturing.cadalyst.com/ma....jsp?id=150513 |
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What's the chances of someone throwing his wine rack up on comparator and
measuring the frequency and amplitude of it. The man said he had AutoCAD. Those curves can be drawn in about a minute. Close enough for a wine rack. "Guess who" wrote in message news On 18 Feb 2006 06:59:47 -0800, wrote: I'm making a wine rack: http://www.uniqueprojects.com/projec...k/winerack.htm and I was wondering how to lay out that sine curve on the piece of wood to cut it. For future reference, if you want a real sine curve, and not an approximation [within the bounds of the tools and shaky hands] use a math program like Graphmatica, then copy/paste into a word processor or image editor for printing to the scale you want/need. Graphmatica is shareware, but free for those who can't afford it [so just use it if you can't.] PhotoFiltre , or "The Gimp" are freeware image editors. OpenOffice is a great free office suite with a wordprocessor and spreadsheet and much more. If you do it intelligently, you can do it to suit your project scale. One hint: in Graphmatica type in y = sin(x) for the unit sine curve, and you might want to change the default colours to black and white. You can change the equation if you want varied results; something like y = 3sin(x) or y = sin(3x) or whatever. You likely don't need that though. Or, any basic trig text shows how to draw it from the unit circle. |
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You're kidding, right?
"Lowell Holmes" wrote in message news:%gJJf.2715$6f2.438@trnddc02... Autocad 2005 is a state of the art cad program. |
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You can lay out a curve like this in Autocad just fine though, in Turbocad,
you can edit the shape in ways Autocad can't. "dnoyeB" wrote in message news:Ep- Sure, most CAD packages can do curve fitting or there not very much "CAD." I do it in turbocad. However, historically the problem with Autocad is that its more of a workbench. Its a corporate product and lots of the nifty features come in add-ons that you also have to pay for. But this particular feature should be built in. It may not be tweakable by the parameters you wish to tweak, but it can be done. |
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"bent" wrote in message ... Draw, Point, Multiple Point, enter co-ordinates of one point (x,y) and press enter, repeat for all points Why go to that much trouble entering coordinates? DDE/Direct Distance Entry would be much simpler and faster |
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"CW" wrote in message .net... You're kidding, right? "Lowell Holmes" wrote in message news:%gJJf.2715$6f2.438@trnddc02... Autocad 2005 is a state of the art cad program. Nope, not kidding. Been using it for 25 years, make my living with it. I have a legal seat on my home computer. I know what it can do. |
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oups.com: I'm making a wine rack: http://www.uniqueprojects.com/projec...k/winerack.htm and I was wondering how to lay out that sine curve on the piece of wood to cut it. At first I thought of using a disk of some sort, but that would yield a series of half-circles. If I can't finger this one out, that's probably what I'll wind up doing, but I was wondering if y'all had done something like this. Thanks, -Phil Crow In the days before computers and fancy stuff, we used nails, sheet metal or thin wood. Layout the points of the peaks and valleys (or wave points if you prefer) and spot a 4d nail at the point. Take the sheet metal ( 1" wide x 20 - 24 ga. ) and weave it through the nails. Trace the pattern and now you know the rest of the story. |
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On 18 Feb 2006 06:59:47 -0800, wrote:
I'm making a wine rack: http://www.uniqueprojects.com/projec...k/winerack.htm and I was wondering how to lay out that sine curve on the piece of wood to cut it. At first I thought of using a disk of some sort, but that would yield a series of half-circles. If I can't finger this one out, that's probably what I'll wind up doing, but I was wondering if y'all had done something like this. Thanks, -Phil Crow Make a template. Lay out a grid. Use a spreadsheet to plot points. Use a French curve to connect the dots. Read up on how to use a French curve. |
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State of the art as long as you don't compare it to Inventor, Alibre,
Solidworks, Solidedge, Catia, Mastercam, Surfcam, ect, ect. AutoCAD survives for two reasons, name and the fact that a great many people don't need the power and flexibility that other programs provide. In the industry I'm in, aerospace, AutoCAD has long been a has-been. Seen from time to time but generally only in low level support roles. "Lowell Holmes" wrote in message news:V3NJf.1398$0z.561@trnddc01... "CW" wrote in message .net... You're kidding, right? "Lowell Holmes" wrote in message news:%gJJf.2715$6f2.438@trnddc02... Autocad 2005 is a state of the art cad program. Nope, not kidding. Been using it for 25 years, make my living with it. I have a legal seat on my home computer. I know what it can do. |
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"CW" wrote in message nk.net... State of the art as long as you don't compare it to Inventor, Alibre, Solidworks, Solidedge, Catia, Mastercam, Surfcam, ect, ect. AutoCAD survives for two reasons, name and the fact that a great many people don't need the power and flexibility that other programs provide. In the industry I'm in, aerospace, AutoCAD has long been a has-been. Seen from time to time but generally only in low level support roles. "Lowell Holmes" wrote in message Well, one thing is for sure, neither of us is going to change the others mind, and this is a ridiculous exchange. I don't know why anyone needs cad to draw a sine curve anyway. :-) OBTW, my quartersawn white oak rocking chair is coming along just fine. |
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I'm making a wine rack: http://www.uniqueprojects.com/projec...k/winerack.htm and I was wondering how to lay out that sine curve on the piece of wood to cut it. At first I thought of using a disk of some sort, but that would yield a series of half-circles. If I can't finger this one out, that's probably what I'll wind up doing, but I was wondering if y'all had done something like this. You've had all sorts of answers for how to do this with various computer programs (or a pocket calculator), but here's another way that doesn't involve anything but a compass, straightedge and protractor, and you can lay it out directly on the board: 1.) Draw a horizontal line down the middle of where you want to put the sine curve, with the ends aligned with where you want the ends of the curve to go. Call this the "center line" 2.) Make marks (call them "section marks") to divide this line into equally-spaced sections, one section for each up-and-down-and-back-up of the sine curve that you want. Mark off divisions of each of the sections into 16ths. 3.) Set the compass to draw circles with a diameter equal to the height of the sine curve that you want to draw. Draw a half-circle centered at each end of the center line, so it looks sort of like a C at the right end and a reverse-C at the left end, and the center line goes from the center of one half-circle to the center of the other. 4.) With the protractor, mark off angles on each half circle, at every 45-degree point, and every 22.5-degree point between these. 5.) Draw lines parallel to the center line by connecting the tops and bottoms of the half-circles, and each corresponding pair of angle-marks. 6.) Go back to the marks you made in step 2. Starting at the left-hand end of the center line, draw a line perpendicular to the center line that goes all the way up to the top line. Put a dot where it crosses the top line. (You don't actually need to draw the perpendicular line; just draw the dot. But it's easier to explain if I say to draw the line.) 7.) Go to the right along the center line. For the next mark, draw another perpendicular line and dot, but put the dot where it crosses the second line from the top. For the next one, draw the dot on the third line, then the fourth, and so on. When you get to the bottom, start going back up. If you've counted right, you should get back to the top line when you get to the first section-mark. Keep going until you get to the other end. 8.) Connect the dots. If you're not good at sketching smooth lines, use a french curve or something. Obviously, the division into 16ths and the angles I picked are somewhat arbitrary -- just so long as you divide the sections on the center-line into twice as many divisions as you divide the half-circles into, it will work out. If you're using drafting triangles instead of a protractor, 12ths and marks at 30-degrees and 60-degrees will work well. Or, if you're good at sketching with only a few dots (I'm not), just make marks at 45 degrees and divide it into 8ths. Is that clear enough, or should I do up some sketches and post them? - Brooks -- The "bmoses-nospam" address is valid; no unmunging needed. |
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you could use something like this:
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.a...936,42958&ap=1 Christian wrote in message oups.com... I'm making a wine rack: http://www.uniqueprojects.com/projec...k/winerack.htm and I was wondering how to lay out that sine curve on the piece of wood to cut it. At first I thought of using a disk of some sort, but that would yield a series of half-circles. If I can't finger this one out, that's probably what I'll wind up doing, but I was wondering if y'all had done something like this. Thanks, -Phil Crow |
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Christian (in ) said:
| you could use something like this: | | http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.a...1,42936,42958& ap=1 You'd probably want to find one with a smaller minimum radius. ;-) -- Morris Dovey DeSoto Solar DeSoto, Iowa USA http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto |
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Brooks Moses wrote: ... Is that clear enough, or should I do up some sketches and post them? - Brooks -- The "bmoses-nospam" address is valid; no unmunging needed. That's a pretty good idea. Plotting points, but no need to calculate their values. Josh |
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if you enter the co-ors in the size you need
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do a FULL preview to not only see the outline of the objects, but the
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if it takes up the whole page, but in the wrong direction, change the
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"bent" wrote in message ... well thats helpful Your welcome. |
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"Lowell Holmes" wrote in message news:4nPJf.9869$dO2.5831@trnddc07... Well, one thing is for sure, neither of us is going to change the others mind, and this is a ridiculous exchange. I don't know why anyone needs cad to draw a sine curve anyway. :-) LOL. Well if it is there why not use it. ;~) |
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I cheated once. Took a coffee can lid and made a hole very near the outside
edge for a pencil. Put a straight edge at the bottom where the sine wave was to go and rolled the lid across the straight edge, marking the plywood. The cutting and sanding were much, much more of a problem than the layout. I gave up after a few attempts, because even the smallest error is noticeable be everyone. Just a guess but the wine rack mentioned by OP might hide small errors in the sine wave due to other objects which would draw the eye. Phil You've had all sorts of answers for how to do this with various computer programs (or a pocket calculator), but here's another way that doesn't involve anything but a compass, straightedge and protractor, and you can lay it out directly on the board: 1.) Draw a horizontal line down the middle of where you want to put the sine curve, with the ends aligned with where you want the ends of the curve to go. Call this the "center line" 2.) Make marks (call them "section marks") to divide this line into equally-spaced sections, one section for each up-and-down-and-back-up of the sine curve that you want. Mark off divisions of each of the sections into 16ths. {snip} |
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Phil-in-MI wrote:
The cutting and sanding were much, much more of a problem than the layout. I gave up after a few attempts, because even the smallest error is noticeable be everyone. When I need to make a curved cut in a piece of wood, I make a pattern from 1/4" hardboard and pattern-route it. Hardboard is easy to cut and sand smooth and if you make a mistake or cut a little too deep, you can fill/repair it with a little 5 minute epoxy and file it smooth. Once the pattern is perfect and smooth with the curve I want, I attach it to the wood and route it. The end result is wonderful and perfect the *first* time with very little sanding. Plus, in some of my woodworking I often make many of the same items, several at a time over a period of time. The pattern allows to me to make perfect pieces time after time and very quickly. Joe Barta |
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Guess who wrote:
On 18 Feb 2006 06:59:47 -0800, wrote: I'm making a wine rack: http://www.uniqueprojects.com/projec...k/winerack.htm and I was wondering how to lay out that sine curve on the piece of wood to cut it. For future reference, if you want a real sine curve, and not an approximation [within the bounds of the tools and shaky hands] use a math program like Graphmatica, then copy/paste into a word processor or image editor for printing to the scale you want/need. [snip] Or, any basic trig text shows how to draw it from the unit circle. That's what I was going to suggest. It's easy, and you can easily scale the sine curve as large or small as you like by choosing an appropriately-sized circle. Since all that's required is a compass and straightedge you don't even have to leave the shop. |
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If this thread is about making support cutouts for wine bottles, I
believe you should be talking ellipses or parabolas, not sine curves. Much simpler formulas too. Bugs |
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Well, thanks everybody for the replies. Apparently there are about 15
ways to skin this particular push stick. -Phil Crow |
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"Bugs" wrote in message ups.com... If this thread is about making support cutouts for wine bottles, I believe you should be talking ellipses or parabolas, not sine curves. Much simpler formulas too. Bugs Perhaps Arcs rather than an ellipse. An Ellipse is very much like a sine curve/wave. |
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says... I'm making a wine rack: http://www.uniqueprojects.com/projec...k/winerack.htm and I was wondering how to lay out that sine curve on the piece of wood to cut it. At first I thought of using a disk of some sort, but that would yield a series of half-circles. Well, sort of... This isn't a sine curve, but it's attractive, and easy to lay out with a disk: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/CurtateCycloid.html |
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wrote: I'm making a wine rack: http://www.uniqueprojects.com/projec...k/winerack.htm and I was wondering how to lay out that sine curve on the piece of wood to cut it. At first I thought of using a disk of some sort, but that would yield a series of half-circles. If I can't finger this one out, that's probably what I'll wind up doing, but I was wondering if y'all had done something like this. Found this for ya http://ferl.becta.org.uk/content_fil.../SineCurve.xls |
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The Guess who entity posted thusly:
That's a cycloid, not a sine. Still far and away the easiest is to use a graphing program like Graphmatica [download from archives.math.utk.edu ...it's awesome and free.] Type in y=sin(x) ENTER, and you then print from there or copy/paste into a word processor. Less than a minute if you have both programs up and running. Sounds interesting, but I have not been able to find it. Is that name correct? If so, would you happen to know what directory it's in? Thanks. |
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