So much for "there was no reason to invade":

http://www.nysun.com/pf.php?id=26514&access=569798

Long suspected, now confirmed by a *primary source*. Let us now
gather to watch the Western political Left once again deny Reality
in a desparate last gasp to retain anything slightly resembling
relevance...


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Tim Daneliuk writes:
So much for "there was no reason to invade":

http://www.nysun.com/pf.php?id=26514&access=569798

Long suspected, now confirmed by a *primary source*. Let us now
gather to watch the Western political Left once again deny Reality
in a desparate last gasp to retain anything slightly resembling
relevance...


Another example of your grasping at justification straws. A newspaper
article is not evidence of anything. Most of the single-sources that
were used to justify the war were wrong, or lying for various reasons;
what makes General Sada any more trustworthy?

And why does the opinion of a christian NGO matter as to the veracity
of the General?

scott

"Tim Daneliuk" wrote in message
...
So much for "there was no reason to invade":

http://www.nysun.com/pf.php?id=26514&access=569798

Long suspected, now confirmed by a *primary source*. Let us now
gather to watch the Western political Left once again deny Reality
in a desparate last gasp to retain anything slightly resembling
relevance...

I indicated a couple of years ago that if you warn a terrorist government 6
months in advance that you are going to invade and they know there is no
chance of stopping you, they are going to hide what they do not what you to
see and have 6 months to do it.

"Leon" wrote in message
om...

I indicated a couple of years ago that if you warn a terrorist government
6 months in advance that you are going to invade and they know there is no
chance of stopping you, they are going to hide what they do not what you
to see and have 6 months to do it.


In addition do you remember the news indicating that a passenger airliner
had been stolen and simply disappeared?

and you also wouldn't fire a guy "who got his degree over the Internet".
You're not only foolish but pretty damn stupid too.

you got Bush beat!




"Leon" wrote in message
om...

"Tim Daneliuk" wrote in message
...
So much for "there was no reason to invade":

http://www.nysun.com/pf.php?id=26514&access=569798

Long suspected, now confirmed by a *primary source*. Let us now
gather to watch the Western political Left once again deny Reality
in a desparate last gasp to retain anything slightly resembling
relevance...

I indicated a couple of years ago that if you warn a terrorist government
6 months in advance that you are going to invade and they know there is no
chance of stopping you, they are going to hide what they do not what you
to see and have 6 months to do it.

On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:15:40 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 02:29:48 GMT, "Leon"
wrote:

In addition do you remember the news indicating that a passenger airliner
had been stolen and simply disappeared?

They found that 727 flying a local route in south america. Scary (no
maintenance protocol) but not that sinister.

What was any different about that 727 from any other plan flying local
routes in South America? :-)



+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+

If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough

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wrote in message
...
On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 02:29:48 GMT, "Leon"
wrote:

In addition do you remember the news indicating that a passenger airliner
had been stolen and simply disappeared?

They found that 727 flying a local route in south america. Scary (no
maintenance protocol) but not that sinister.

OK.

Scott Lurndal wrote:

Tim Daneliuk writes:

So much for "there was no reason to invade":

http://www.nysun.com/pf.php?id=26514&access=569798

Long suspected, now confirmed by a *primary source*. Let us now
gather to watch the Western political Left once again deny Reality
in a desparate last gasp to retain anything slightly resembling
relevance...



Another example of your grasping at justification straws. A newspaper
article is not evidence of anything. Most of the single-sources that
were used to justify the war were wrong, or lying for various reasons;
what makes General Sada any more trustworthy?

And why does the opinion of a christian NGO matter as to the veracity
of the General?

scott


Let's take a leisurely stroll through history, shall we:


FDR: There are Commies in my administration but they're
harmless.

... 50 years of misery and oppression go by...

Reagan: It's time for the Commies to go.
Western Left: You are a crazy and dangerous nut, how dare
you even suggest such a thing?

... Hundreds of millions of people are free for the first
time in almost a Century.

Bush 41: Sadaam is a dangerous presence on the planet and
must be stopped.
Western Left: You're overreacting. Stop that. We'll
need more social funding for cultural exchange
because everyone knows ballet is better than
bullets when dealing with dictators.

... Sadaam's army is routed and Kuwait liberated.

.... 9-11 Murders Take Place ...

GWB: We will find and kill anyone who partipates or
or supports terror.

Western Left: It's *our* fault for not being more
multiculturally sensitive to those poor
downtrodden, cavedwelling Al Queda members.
We *told* you that more folk dancing would
have helped.

... Afghanistan is liberated and millions freed
from the groteque and oppressive Taliban regime ...

GWB: Because of our limp-wristed fiddling around (aka The
Leftwing Ballet Option) Sadaam is a growing and dangerous
threat. He has WMDs and we know he will use them
given the chance because he already has.

Western Left: You are a crazy and dangerous nut, how dare
you even suggest such a thing? You need to
spend more time working with Cameroon to get
permission from the UN to act in the US'
interest. Besides you're stupid, not smart
like us.

... Iraq is invaded and liberated. Millions are freed ...

Western Left: Well *sure* you won, but it wasn't perfect. Some
innocent people died. If just one child/innocent/
womyn/gay person/minority/underclass/underprivileged
person got killed, it means the war was wrong.

... Winning the peace turns out to be really hard because,
well, it always is. Meanwhile back in Baghdad, no
one can find: a) WMDs, b) A bunch of missing money,
c) Sadaam & Sons

Western Left: Where are the WMDs? GWB Lied! He's a Liar!
He's stupid and ugly and we don't like him and
he LIED! Why aren't you listening to us?

... Sadaam's evil children get to go to hell early ...


GWB/Rummy/Cheney: There is some evidence that the WMDs
were moved into Syria before the war.
Western Left: Where are the WMDs? GWB Lied! He's a Liar!
He's stupid and ugly and we don't like him and
he LIED! Why aren't you listening to us?
Liar, liar, liar ....

... Sadaam is captured ...


Western Left: Where are the WMDs? GWB Lied! He's a Liar!
He's stupid and ugly and we don't like him and
he LIED! Why aren't you listening to us?

... Free elections take place in Iraq - Twice! ...


Western Left: Where are the WMDs? GWB Lied! He's a Liar!
He's stupid and ugly and we don't like him and
he LIED! Why aren't you listening to us?

... A former General in the Iraq Air Force - a primary
source of information - publishes a book describing
how WMDs were moved into Syria before the war ...

Western Left: Where are the WMDs? GWB Lied ... oh, wait,
no that's not today's chant shuffling of
papers, coughing, squirming, kicking the dust
with feet Hey, who SOLD him those weapons
anyway???? Huh? Huh? See, we told you from
the beginning it was all *OUR OWN FAULT*.
Now, let's get back to those ballet exchanges.

The Western Right is wrong about many, many things. But they would have
to work 29 hours a day to be a pathetic, ridiculous and flatly
dangerous to civil society as the Western Left.

Stay tuned for future installations of this screed. Upcoming
chapters include:

"How Iran Learned To Love The Bomb"
"Syria: The World's Largest Parking Lot"
"Adventures Of Jimmy Carter And The Cuban Snowbirds"
"Where In The World Is Chappaquidick Ted?"
"Joe Biden Unleashed: An Expose' In 45 Volumes"
"Dick Durbin And The Case Of The Missing Brain"
"My Name Is Barak Obama And That's All You Need To Know"
"Hillary Clinton Goes To Jail (For Spousal Abuse)"
"A 12-Step Program For Recovering Lefties"

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"Tim Daneliuk" wrote in message
news

Western Left: You are a crazy and dangerous nut, how dare
you even suggest such a thing? You need to
spend more time working with Cameroon to get
permission from the UN to act in the US'
interest. Besides you're stupid, not smart
like us.


Wrong wrong wrong! At this point, democrats in congress demanded that W
return to congress and get a vote on the Iraq invasion. Anyone paying any
sort of attention remembers this and remembers that congress passed the
resolution almost unanimously. Not to mention the voluminous number of
democrats on record in the past railing against Iraq's WMD programs.


... Iraq is invaded and liberated. Millions are freed ...


then:
Democrats loose 2002 midterms
Democrats loose 2004 presidential
Democrats now are well on their way to a loss in the 2006 midterms with
their lack of adgenda. This will be #4 consecutive by my count running
against W.

Just sit back and laugh.

After almost 5 years and one Trillion dollars, the perpetrator of that
act still runs around free, with virtually no interst by GWB.

Renata

On 26 Jan 2006 23:34:58 EST, Tim Daneliuk
wrote:
-snip-

.... 9-11 Murders Take Place ...

GWB: We will find and kill anyone who partipates or
or supports terror.

-snip-

In article ,
Tim Daneliuk wrote:

So much for "there was no reason to invade":

http://www.nysun.com/pf.php?id=26514&access=569798

Long suspected, now confirmed by a *primary source*. Let us now
gather to watch the Western political Left once again deny Reality
in a desparate last gasp to retain anything slightly resembling
relevance...

Sounds to me like a run-up/reason to go beat up on Syria. Another pawn in the
game of Middle East chess designed to bring about The Greater Israel.

You know what happens when somebody is trying to sell a book?
Stories.... yup.. stories.

Then again... I wouldn't be surprised if they were true.

Crazy place.

Renata wrote:

After almost 5 years and one Trillion dollars, the perpetrator of that
act still runs around free, with virtually no interst by GWB.

Renata

On 26 Jan 2006 23:34:58 EST, Tim Daneliuk
wrote:
-snip-

.... 9-11 Murders Take Place ...

GWB: We will find and kill anyone who partipates or
or supports terror.


-snip-

Why are you so absorbed by Osama? Yes, he needs to be taken
out when/if found, but he is just one cockroach in an entire building
full of them. Besides, the Left keeps telling us that the whole
thing is *our* fault and that we brought it upon ourselves, so really,
you can't blame Osama, right?

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"Renata" wrote in message
...
After almost 5 years and one Trillion dollars, the perpetrator of that
act still runs around free, with virtually no interst by GWB.

Renata

I guess the same could be said about the Left going after GWB. They seem so
inadequately prepared.

Renata wrote:

After almost 5 years and one Trillion dollars, the perpetrator of that
act still runs around free, with virtually no interst by GWB.

Renata

On 26 Jan 2006 23:34:58 EST, Tim Daneliuk
wrote:
-snip-

.... 9-11 Murders Take Place ...

GWB: We will find and kill anyone who partipates or
or supports terror.


-snip-

BTW, are you equally outraged by the nearly trillion dollars a year
spent in the US on social wealth distribution programs for which
we will never get *any* return?

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Yeah, but we brought democracy to the middle east. You hate
freedom, don't you?

Renata wrote:
After almost 5 years and one Trillion dollars, the perpetrator of that
act still runs around free, with virtually no interst by GWB.

"Mike Berger" wrote in message
...
Yeah, but we brought democracy to the middle east. You hate
freedom, don't you?

Renata wrote:
After almost 5 years and one Trillion dollars, the perpetrator of that
act still runs around free, with virtually no interst by GWB.


How long do you think freedom and democracy, such as they are, in Iraq will
last once the U.S. pulls out? Six weeks or six months? Somewhere between the
two is my estimate, and that might well be generous. With the various Muslim
sects locked on each other's throats, the winner will be for fate to
determine and unless Bush unlocks his brain, the overall winner is bound to
be OBL.

The terrorists have already won, anyway. Once we started changing our lives
extensively in an effort to cope with the problems a lack of security
caused, that was a win for dark side.

Tim Daneliuk wrote:
So much for "there was no reason to invade":

http://www.nysun.com/pf.php?id=26514&access=569798

Long suspected, now confirmed by a *primary source*. Let us now
gather to watch the Western political Left once again deny Reality
in a desparate last gasp to retain anything slightly resembling
relevance...

A "primary source?" A general who alleges he was told by two pilots who
he refuses to name. And what did they allegedly tell him?

"The pilots told Mr. Sada that two Iraqi Airways Boeings were converted
to cargo planes by removing the seats, Mr. Sada said. Then Special
Republican Guard brigades loaded materials onto the planes, he said,
including "yellow barrels with skull and crossbones on each barrel."
The pilots said there was also a ground convoy of trucks."

That's all. No claim about what was in the barrels.

Sorry, I need something a bit more specific.

"Charles Self" wrote in message
...
"Mike Berger" wrote in message
...
Yeah, but we brought democracy to the middle east. You hate
freedom, don't you?

Renata wrote:
After almost 5 years and one Trillion dollars, the perpetrator of that
act still runs around free, with virtually no interst by GWB.


How long do you think freedom and democracy, such as they are, in Iraq
will last once the U.S. pulls out? Six weeks or six months? Somewhere
between the two is my estimate, and that might well be generous. With the
various Muslim sects locked on each other's throats, the winner will be
for fate to determine and unless Bush unlocks his brain, the overall
winner is bound to be OBL.

The terrorists have already won, anyway. Once we started changing our
lives extensively in an effort to cope with the problems a lack of
security caused, that was a win for dark side.
Yea Charlie why not bury your head in the sand and pretend it's not
happening, anyway I guess you can always let your kids try and solve the
problem . If only the previous white house occupant had taken action while
he had numerous chances none of this would have happened....

Charles Self wrote:


..

The terrorists have already won, anyway. Once we started changing our lives
extensively in an effort to cope with the problems a lack of security
caused, that was a win for dark side.



OK, just for fun, let's pretend this bit of rhetoric is correct (it
isn't, at least not to the degree you intimate and not by our own
doing largely). Just *what* would you prefer that the West should
have done in the face of violent terrorist attack and the promise
of more on the way? More meetings at the UN? More cultural
exchanges with the Islamic world? An apology from Bush for all
those WTC victims bleeding messily on the sidewalks of NYC?

See Charlie, *we* didn't change our lives - the little rectal
parasites working as terrorists did. So what do you propose
we *should* have done. I constantly hear *opposition* to what
was done, how Bush acted, and all the rest of the blather. I never
hear a thoughtful and viable alternative.

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Remember Viet Nam and Nixon's "peace with honor"? After Nixon almost
used up our Nato stockpiles, he declared agreement with the north and
victory. And split. Vietnamization.

NVA took a couple weeks to sweep the place.

Your comment about Muslim sects reminds me about some common wisdom
about the Gulf area some years back- Arabs might fight each other like
dogs, but will attack in unison any foreign intruder. For Dubs to think
we'd be welcomed with flowers is way beyond naive. Plain stupid.

For many years to come, the highest price we will pay for our
involvement in Iraq is the reelection of Dubs/Cheney/Rummy and
implementation of his short-sighted policies. (Meaning, once we were
in, many were reluctant to "change horses" for somebody with exercised
brains.)

J

wrote:

Remember Viet Nam and Nixon's "peace with honor"? After Nixon almost
used up our Nato stockpiles, he declared agreement with the north and
victory. And split. Vietnamization.

NVA took a couple weeks to sweep the place.

Your comment about Muslim sects reminds me about some common wisdom
about the Gulf area some years back- Arabs might fight each other like
dogs, but will attack in unison any foreign intruder. For Dubs to think
we'd be welcomed with flowers is way beyond naive. Plain stupid.

For many years to come, the highest price we will pay for our
involvement in Iraq is the reelection of Dubs/Cheney/Rummy and
implementation of his short-sighted policies. (Meaning, once we were
in, many were reluctant to "change horses" for somebody with exercised
brains.)

J


Wow .. it took less than 30 messages to get to the "We lost the election
(twice) but we're still smarter than them, neener, neener" argument.
Well done.

Here's a dose of Reality for you. We won't know for a generation
whether this whole thing has a payoff for freedom and democracy.
You cannot undo thousands of years of tribal savagery in a couple of
years. By about 2025 we should know how the Islamic world is shaping
up...

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"Tim Daneliuk" wrote in message
...


I constantly hear *opposition* to what
was done, how Bush acted, and all the rest of the blather. I never
hear a thoughtful and viable alternative.


You know the old saying, United we stand, Divided we fall. I think the
terrorists best allies are those opposed to the current administration.

"Dhakala" wrote in message
Long suspected, now confirmed by a *primary source*. Let us now
gather to watch the Western political Left once again deny Reality
in a desparate last gasp to retain anything slightly resembling
relevance...

A "primary source?" A general who alleges he was told by two pilots who
he refuses to name. And what did they allegedly tell him?

"The pilots told Mr. Sada that two Iraqi Airways Boeings were converted
to cargo planes by removing the seats, Mr. Sada said. Then Special
Republican Guard brigades loaded materials onto the planes, he said,
including "yellow barrels with skull and crossbones on each barrel."
The pilots said there was also a ground convoy of trucks."

That's all. No claim about what was in the barrels.

Sorry, I need something a bit more specific.

Like a knock up side the head? Sorry you walked right into that one.

if only GHB had had the balls to finish it off .......................


On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:29:16 -0500, "mike hide"
wrote:


"Charles Self" wrote in message
...
"Mike Berger" wrote in message
...
Yeah, but we brought democracy to the middle east. You hate
freedom, don't you?

Renata wrote:
After almost 5 years and one Trillion dollars, the perpetrator of that
act still runs around free, with virtually no interst by GWB.


How long do you think freedom and democracy, such as they are, in Iraq
will last once the U.S. pulls out? Six weeks or six months? Somewhere
between the two is my estimate, and that might well be generous. With the
various Muslim sects locked on each other's throats, the winner will be
for fate to determine and unless Bush unlocks his brain, the overall
winner is bound to be OBL.

The terrorists have already won, anyway. Once we started changing our
lives extensively in an effort to cope with the problems a lack of
security caused, that was a win for dark side.
Yea Charlie why not bury your head in the sand and pretend it's not
happening, anyway I guess you can always let your kids try and solve the
problem . If only the previous white house occupant had taken action while
he had numerous chances none of this would have happened....

"John Cole" wrote in message
if only GHB had had the balls to finish it off .......................

... or Truman to let McArthur kick the Koreans into China by putting a stop
to the Chinese "volunteers". I don't know if either was strictly a question
of balls or not, but damn, you can't help but wonder.

Goes back to my philosophy as a kid, when I realized that I wasn't ever
going to be silver tongued devil enough to talk my way out of situations, if
you're forced to take a swing, made damn sure you put everything you have
behind the punch, and don't miss.

--
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Last update: 12/13/05

Leon wrote:

Sorry, I need something a bit more specific.

Like a knock up side the head?**Sorry*you*walked*right*into*that*one.


Nope, you did Leon. Even your beloved King George has said the
intelligence was wrong, there were no WMD.

Do you think he'd have admitted that if there'd been the slightest
possibility they'd been shipped elsewhere?

Do you really believe that no Iraqi in the whole country would have
blown the whistle to the army units searching for them if they had been
shipped or hidden?

Wishful thinking, Leon - that source is just promoting his book.

--
It's turtles, all the way down

"Larry Blanchard" wrote in message
...
Leon wrote:

Nope, you did Leon. Even your beloved King George has said the
intelligence was wrong, there were no WMD.

Yeah the intelegence indicated Iraq IIRC. Then they were moved to Syria.


Do you think he'd have admitted that if there'd been the slightest
possibility they'd been shipped elsewhere?

Since they were told Iraq, Yes I do.



Do you really believe that no Iraqi in the whole country would have
blown the whistle to the army units searching for them if they had been
shipped or hidden?

Many did. I believe that is how we learned about them in the first place.


Wishful thinking, Leon - that source is just promoting his book.

No, It only confirms what I have believed from the beginning. Give some one
6 months warning that you are coming after his WMD's and he is going to hide
them. I suppose a swallow of what is in the containers is the only thing
that will ring true with you.

In article , wrote:

Nope, you did Leon. Even your beloved King George has said the
intelligence was wrong, there were no WMD.

Cite, please... I don't remember him saying that there weren't any, just that
we didn't find any.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

In article ,
Tim Daneliuk wrote:

So much for "there was no reason to invade":

http://www.nysun.com/pf.php?id=26514&access=569798

Long suspected, now confirmed by a *primary source*. Let us now
gather to watch the Western political Left once again deny Reality
in a desparate last gasp to retain anything slightly resembling
relevance...

Come on, Tim.. it's just psysop blowback.

Swingman, yeah that's right, SWINGman threw a jab then rounded with:
snip
if
you're forced to take a swing, made damn sure you put everything you have
behind the punch, and don't miss.

AAhhh. Now I get the moniker.

H

"Robatoy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Tim Daneliuk wrote:

So much for "there was no reason to invade":

http://www.nysun.com/pf.php?id=26514&access=569798

Long suspected, now confirmed by a *primary source*. Let us now
gather to watch the Western political Left once again deny Reality
in a desparate last gasp to retain anything slightly resembling
relevance...

Come on, Tim.. it's just psysop blowback.

I just heard a black helicopter operating in silent mode ....... I think
I'll go back into my woodworking shop.

"hylourgos" wrote in message
oups.com...

Swingman, yeah that's right, SWINGman threw a jab then rounded with:
snip
if
you're forced to take a swing, made damn sure you put everything you have
behind the punch, and don't miss.

AAhhh. Now I get the moniker.


I think the moniker (or as someone recently wrote, monica) relates more to a
band than to a fist. But I've been wrong before. At least once.

"Charles Self" wrote in message

I think the moniker (or as someone recently wrote, monica) relates more to
a
band than to a fist. But I've been wrong before. At least once.

But not this time.

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Charles Self wrote:
The terrorists have already won, anyway. Once we started changing our lives
extensively in an effort to cope with the problems a lack of security
caused, that was a win for dark side.

I'm sure they're basking in the glory of victory, reaping the rewards,
splitting the spoils....errr...something like that. You sound like a
real pussy to me. Defeatist, negative, grumpy and old.

But I could be wrong.

JP

"Jay Pique" wrote in message

splitting the spoils....errr...something like that. You sound like a
real pussy to me. Defeatist, negative, grumpy and old.

But I could be wrong.

Of the above, there are at least two things you can most definitely rule
out, and at least one that is verified, by the fact that defeatist's or
pussies didn't make it through Marine boot camp in the 50's.

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Swingman wrote:
"Jay Pique" wrote in message

splitting the spoils....errr...something like that. You sound like a
real pussy to me. Defeatist, negative, grumpy and old.

But I could be wrong.

Of the above, there are at least two things you can most definitely rule
out, and at least one that is verified, by the fact that defeatist's or
pussies didn't make it through Marine boot camp in the 50's.

I respect that he served.

JP

"Jay Pique" wrote in message
oups.com...

Charles Self wrote:
The terrorists have already won, anyway. Once we started changing our
lives
extensively in an effort to cope with the problems a lack of security
caused, that was a win for dark side.

I'm sure they're basking in the glory of victory, reaping the rewards,
splitting the spoils....errr...something like that. You sound like a
real pussy to me. Defeatist, negative, grumpy and old.

But I could be wrong.


Don't let your pique bite your peak, Pique.

Negative, sure. We're ****ing away lives and money at a ferocious rate.
What's good about that? Defeatist? Only in that we've stupidly allowed the
terrorists to dominate our thinking for several years now. Their avowed
purpose is to destroy our way of life. They've come almighty close.

Grumpy? Only when assholes get too much publicity.

Old? And you won't be one day? Or aren't already?

Chow, twit.

"Jay Pique" wrote in message
oups.com...

Swingman wrote:
"Jay Pique" wrote in message

splitting the spoils....errr...something like that. You sound like a
real pussy to me. Defeatist, negative, grumpy and old.

But I could be wrong.

Of the above, there are at least two things you can most definitely rule
out, and at least one that is verified, by the fact that defeatist's or
pussies didn't make it through Marine boot camp in the 50's.

I respect that he served.

Sure you do. About as much as I respect you.

Doug Miller wrote:

In article ,
wrote:

Nope, you did Leon. Even your beloved King George has said the
intelligence was wrong, there were no WMD.

Cite, please... I don't remember him saying that there weren't any,
just that we didn't find any.


I saw at least one press conference where a reporter asked where were
the WMDs and Bush replied that the intelligence was wrong, there
weren't any. But it was, IIRC, in late 2004 or early 2005 and I can't
find a reference to that specific statement.

But Google finds lots of references to the presidential commission that
said the same thing and Bush praised their findings.

--
It's turtles, all the way down

Jay Pique wrote:

I respect that he served.

Oh that's about the lamest copout word mincing I ever heard. Keep your
respect... it ain't worth having.

Joe Barta