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Quote: Why we build
The fun I had experienced in making things as a
boy was magnified a hundredfold when I began making things as a man. There is in manufacturing a creative joy that only poets are supposed to know. Some day I'd like to show a poet how it feels to design and build a railroad locomotive. - Walter P. Chrysler, Life of An American Workman (1937) |
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On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:31:20 GMT, "patrick conroy"
wrote: The fun I had experienced in making things as a boy was magnified a hundredfold when I began making things as a man. There is in manufacturing a creative joy that only poets are supposed to know. Some day I'd like to show a poet how it feels to design and build a railroad locomotive. - Walter P. Chrysler, Life of An American Workman (1937) I like that. Thanks for sharing! Aut inveniam viam aut faciam |
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"patrick conroy" wrote in message ... The fun I had experienced in making things as a boy was magnified a hundredfold when I began making things as a man. There is in manufacturing a creative joy that only poets are supposed to know. Some day I'd like to show a poet how it feels to design and build a railroad locomotive. - Walter P. Chrysler, Life of An American Workman (1937) Here's another one I've always liked... he was writing about software development (teaching that is my job), but it applies just as much to woodworking (my sanity check): First is the sheer joy of making things. As the child delights in his mud pie, so the adult enjoys building things, especially things of his own design. Second is the pleasure of making things that are useful to other people. Deep within, we want others to use our work and to find it helpful. Third is the fascination of fashioning complex puzzle-like objects of interlocking moving parts and watching them work in subtle cycles, playing out the consequences of principles built in from the beginning. Fourth is the joy of always learning. In one way or another the problem is ever new, and its solver learns something. Fred Brooks on "Why Is Programming Fun?" |
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"patrick conroy" wrote The fun I had experienced in making things as a boy was magnified a hundredfold when I began making things as a man. There is in manufacturing a creative joy that only poets are supposed to know. Some day I'd like to show a poet how it feels to design and build a railroad locomotive. - Walter P. Chrysler, Life of An American Workman (1937) Because it's on SWMBO's list. G Max D. |
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On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:31:20 GMT, "patrick conroy"
wrote: The fun I had experienced in making things as a boy was magnified a hundredfold when I began making things as a man. There is in manufacturing a creative joy that only poets are supposed to know. Some day I'd like to show a poet how it feels to design and build a railroad locomotive. - Walter P. Chrysler, Life of An American Workman (1937) The joy that I have in walking down a wood row In a yard run by a man who knows trees and the cutting of them Who keeps his best stock in a private place And expects to be asked where it is When I have in my mind a list Of pieces and parts that will go into my current paramour To make her legs slim and refined To give life to the curves that haunt my imagining Some men say that what I do is naught but geometry Sad fools Best to leave them to their confines I come upon a bole of Cherry Grown in the mountains of Pennsylvania For so long that saws can not slab it with a single cut A force of nature beyond the measure and manipulation of man It is ruddy with its essence It is rough as the soil that it has sprung form It is as honest and true as any thing can be It is perfect When I am finished If I am true to my task I will have preserved its ruddiness I will have smoothed its roughness I will have applied the art of man To the art of God And it will be as honest and true As any man made thing can be Amen Tom Watson - WoodDorker tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (email) http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/ (website) |
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On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:31:23 -0400, the inscrutable Tom Watson
spake: The joy that I have in walking down a wood row In a yard run by a man who knows trees and the cutting of them Who keeps his best stock in a private place And expects to be asked where it is When I have in my mind a list Of pieces and parts that will go into my current paramour To make her legs slim and refined To give life to the curves that haunt my imagining Some men say that what I do is naught but geometry Sad fools Best to leave them to their confines I come upon a bole of Cherry Grown in the mountains of Pennsylvania For so long that saws can not slab it with a single cut A force of nature beyond the measure and manipulation of man It is ruddy with its essence It is rough as the soil that it has sprung form It is as honest and true as any thing can be It is perfect When I am finished If I am true to my task I will have preserved its ruddiness I will have smoothed its roughness I will have applied the art of man To the art of God And it will be as honest and true As any man made thing can be Amen Good'un, Tawm. Now fix your typoes and grammar. ("came" vs. "come", "sprung from" vs. "sprung form") LJ--Critic & WET At Large ------------------------------------------------------------------- Do. Or do not. * Stylin' Web Design Services There is no try. --Yoda * http://www.diversify.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 18:03:40 -0700, The Clueless C-Less Larry Jaques
wrote: Good'un, Tawm. Now fix your typoes and grammar. ("came" vs. "come", "sprung from" vs. "sprung form") LJ--Critic & WET At Large ------------------------------------------------------------------- Do. Or do not. * Stylin' Web Design Services There is no try. --Yoda * http://www.diversify.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- It's "typos". Are you perhaps related to Dan Quayle? "...the man ain't got no culture..." (rob z.) You will never understand poetry, nor high language, C-Less. You've proven it over and over again. BTW - I still love you for whom you are (now, isn't that damned awkward - the language, I mean?) Tom Watson - WoodDorker tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (email) http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/ (website) |
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On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 21:14:18 -0400, the inscrutable Tom Watson
spake: On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 18:03:40 -0700, The Clueless C-Less Larry Jaques wrote: Good'un, Tawm. Now fix your typoes and grammar. ("came" vs. "come", "sprung from" vs. "sprung form") LJ--Critic & WET At Large ------------------------------------------------------------------- Do. Or do not. * Stylin' Web Design Services There is no try. --Yoda * http://www.diversify.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- It's "typos". Are you perhaps related to Dan Quayle? No, you? He added an "e" to a singular where it didn't belong. As Margaret Shertzer wrote in her book, The Elements of Grammar, "Most common nouns ending in "o" preceded by a consonant form their plurals by adding an "es" to the singular." typo, typoes. Webster agreed in their New Collegiate dictionary with "The plural form of a noun ending in a consonant and "o" is -oes: hero, heroes." P.S: You didn't address the grammar issue, "spring form", did you? I wonder why not. tsk, tsk, tsk "...the man ain't got no culture..." (rob z.) I freely admit that's true, but you ain't go no couth; goin' 'round spouting poetry in public and all. You will never understand poetry, nor high language, C-Less. You've proven it over and over again. I prefer NOT to "understand" poetry, thanks. I preferred Blake's art. Now, a good limerick is another thing altogether. Gimme more! BTW - I still love you for whom you are (now, isn't that damned awkward - the language, I mean?) smack (Oops, that provides for an even more awkward situation.) ------------------------------------------------------------------- Do. Or do not. * Stylin' Web Design Services There is no try. --Yoda * http://www.diversify.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 05:10:20 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote: A bunch of funny stuff. You made me laugh out loud, C-Less. Thanks. |
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Creating things is what I do, the more challenging, the better.
If was easy, anyone could do it. Dave Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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"Teamcasa" wrote in :
Creating things is what I do, the more challenging, the better. If was easy, anyone could do it. Dave There has to be a good reason. Any fool can beat their head against the wall, and call it a challenge. There's no satisfaction in that. BTDT. Patriarch |
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On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 05:10:20 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote: As Margaret Shertzer wrote in her book, The Elements of Grammar, "Most common nouns ending in "o" preceded by a consonant form their plurals by adding an "es" to the singular." typo, typoes. Webster agreed in their New Collegiate dictionary with "The plural form of a noun ending in a consonant and "o" is -oes: hero, heroes." OK - I had to run this morning and didn't have time to look up the reference until now: Webster's New World College Dictionary, Fourth Edition. 2000. p. 1549: "Typo" n., pl. "pos"... Now pay up! |
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On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:12:18 -0400, the inscrutable Tom Watson
spake: On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 05:10:20 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: As Margaret Shertzer wrote in her book, The Elements of Grammar, "Most common nouns ending in "o" preceded by a consonant form their plurals by adding an "es" to the singular." typo, typoes. Webster agreed in their New Collegiate dictionary with "The plural form of a noun ending in a consonant and "o" is -oes: hero, heroes." OK - I had to run this morning and didn't have time to look up the reference until now: Webster's New World College Dictionary, Fourth Edition. 2000. p. 1549: "Typo" n., pl. "pos"... Now pay up! Damn those revisionist historians! I'm still 2:1 on ya, so it's time for your crowbar, not mine. Now pay up! -- Don't forget the 7 P's: Proper Prior Planning Prevents ****-Poor Performance ---------------------------------------------------- http://diversify.com Website Application Programming |
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On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:51:12 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote: On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:12:18 -0400, the inscrutable Tom Watson spake: On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 05:10:20 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: As Margaret Shertzer wrote in her book, The Elements of Grammar, "Most common nouns ending in "o" preceded by a consonant form their plurals by adding an "es" to the singular." typo, typoes. Webster agreed in their New Collegiate dictionary with "The plural form of a noun ending in a consonant and "o" is -oes: hero, heroes." OK - I had to run this morning and didn't have time to look up the reference until now: Webster's New World College Dictionary, Fourth Edition. 2000. p. 1549: "Typo" n., pl. "pos"... Now pay up! Damn those revisionist historians! I'm still 2:1 on ya, so it's time for your crowbar, not mine. Now pay up! There's something about 'Murricans fighting over the English language that just makes me smile.... It's good to see you two haven't changed. cheers, Groggy [poo suit /on} |
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Groggy wrote:
There's something about 'Murricans fighting over the English language that just makes me smile.... This coming from an Aussie? It's good to see you two haven't changed. cheers, Groggy [poo suit /on} Hee, hee. Same here. Chuck Vance |
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On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 10:34:31 GMT, the inscrutable Groggy
spake: On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:12:18 -0400, the inscrutable Tom Watson spake: On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 05:10:20 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: Now pay up! Damn those revisionist historians! I'm still 2:1 on ya, so it's time for your crowbar, not mine. Now pay up! There's something about 'Murricans fighting over the English language that just makes me smile.... It's good to see you two haven't changed. Tanks, Grogs. -- Don't forget the 7 P's: Proper Prior Planning Prevents ****-Poor Performance ---------------------------------------------------- http://diversify.com Website Application Programming |
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On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 07:58:38 -0500, the inscrutable Conan The
Librarian spake: Groggy wrote: There's something about 'Murricans fighting over the English language that just makes me smile.... This coming from an Aussie? Yeah, cuz' we usually hassle him, the Poms, and the Canuckistanis over their misspellings of our language. nomex=ON -- Don't forget the 7 P's: Proper Prior Planning Prevents ****-Poor Performance ---------------------------------------------------- http://diversify.com Website Application Programming |
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Groggy wrote in
: There's something about 'Murricans fighting over the English language that just makes me smile.... As well as watching two parsimonius tightwads tough it out. Watch. It will eventually degrade into one agreeing to pay but then "realizing" he left his wallet at home. Ad hominem not far away... I'm pretty sure this is how the whole Hatfield/McCoy thing started too, |
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On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 16:30:47 GMT, the inscrutable Patrick Conroy
spake: Groggy wrote in : There's something about 'Murricans fighting over the English language that just makes me smile.... As well as watching two parsimonius tightwads tough it out. Ain't that a bit redundant there, Roy? Watch. It will eventually degrade into one agreeing to pay but then "realizing" he left his wallet at home. It could happen. Ad hominem not far away... Not from here. I prefer grits. I'm pretty sure this is how the whole Hatfield/McCoy thing started too, Careful you don't start a Jaquesfield/Conroy thing, son. (Ma, fetch my bucket o' buckshot. I feel a bit of joyful entertaining about to happ'n...) - Every day above ground is a Good Day(tm). ----------- http://diversify.com Website Application Programming |
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"Patrick Conroy" wrote in message ... I'm pretty sure this is how the whole Hatfield/McCoy thing started too, Nope. As a Hatfield descendant on Mom's side, I can say it was, as always, a woman. Family bible has a lot of Hatfield-McCoy marriages prior. |
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On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 16:30:47 GMT, Patrick Conroy
wrote: Groggy wrote in : There's something about 'Murricans fighting over the English language that just makes me smile.... As well as watching two parsimonius tightwads tough it out. Is a 'parsimonious tightwad' the same as a 'cheap bastige'? If it is, you're about half right. I know for a fact that C-Less hasn't cracked his wallet open in so long that George Washington's gonna need sunglasses when the light hits him. Watch. It will eventually degrade into one agreeing to pay but then "realizing" he left his wallet at home. I was gonna hide mine under the seat in the truck. Ad hominem not far away... I ain't no 'hominem'. I got two kids. I'm pretty sure this is how the whole Hatfield/McCoy thing started too, Nah, me and C-Less are bottomlanders. Tom Watson - WoodDorker tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (email) http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/ (website) |
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On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 09:49:20 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote: On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 16:30:47 GMT, the inscrutable Patrick Conroy spake: Groggy wrote in m: There's something about 'Murricans fighting over the English language that just makes me smile.... As well as watching two parsimonius tightwads tough it out. Ain't that a bit redundant there, Roy? Watch. It will eventually degrade into one agreeing to pay but then "realizing" he left his wallet at home. It could happen. Ad hominem not far away... Not from here. I prefer grits. I'm pretty sure this is how the whole Hatfield/McCoy thing started too, Careful you don't start a Jaquesfield/Conroy thing, son. (Ma, fetch my bucket o' buckshot. I feel a bit of joyful entertaining about to happ'n...) - Every day above ground is a Good Day(tm). ----------- http://diversify.com Website Application Programming Ya see, this is why it's fun to ask Larry to come out and play. Except for that part about the wallet. I'm pretty sure he was serious about that. "Rochester, start up the Maxwell." "Right away Mr. C-Less." "Now, cut that out!" Tom Watson - WoodDorker tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (email) http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/ (website) |
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Larry Jaques wrote in
: Ain't that a bit redundant there, Roy? CYA - well CMA, actually. I wasn't sure if akshully I knew what "parsimonious" meant. Careful you don't start a Jaquesfield/Conroy thing, son. No sir - the last thing I need. My "Aunt Dot" is still ****ed over the whole Sherman's burning of Atlanta. Seems it's my fault, and all. 'Cause I was born in the "Nawth". |
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On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:51:12 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote: On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:12:18 -0400, the inscrutable Tom Watson spake: On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 05:10:20 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: As Margaret Shertzer wrote in her book, The Elements of Grammar, "Most common nouns ending in "o" preceded by a consonant form their plurals by adding an "es" to the singular." typo, typoes. Webster agreed in their New Collegiate dictionary with "The plural form of a noun ending in a consonant and "o" is -oes: hero, heroes." OK - I had to run this morning and didn't have time to look up the reference until now: Webster's New World College Dictionary, Fourth Edition. 2000. p. 1549: "Typo" n., pl. "pos"... Now pay up! Damn those revisionist historians! I'm still 2:1 on ya, so it's time for your crowbar, not mine. Now pay up! Noun 1. poetic license - license used by a writer or artist to heighten the effect of their work licence, license - freedom to deviate deliberately from normally applicable rules or practices (especially in behavior or speech) http://www.thefreedictionary.com OK, so it ain't the OED. I'm still ahead 2:1. (hee hee hee) BTW - you might need this: http://www.klownhammer.org/crowbar/ Tom Watson - WoodDorker tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (email) http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/ (website) |
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On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 07:58:38 -0500, Conan The Librarian
wrote: Groggy wrote: There's something about 'Murricans fighting over the English language that just makes me smile.... This coming from an Aussie? Hey! Why you, you, knuckle-dragger you. May all your blades go blunt and rusty Mr Vance! It's good to see you two haven't changed. cheers, Groggy [poo suit /on} Hee, hee. Same here. Good to read you Chuck, I haven't dropped in for a while and it's a pleasure to see some old regulars rather than bovine minded kiddy trolls. cheers, Groggy |
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On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 07:07:23 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote: Yeah, cuz' we usually hassle him, the Poms, and the Canuckistanis over their misspellings of our language. nomex=ON Well Larry, the beauty of "your language" is that (if you do manage to mispell a word) within a year it will appear in Websters. For some reason you guys thought (it seems to be changing now) that it was easier to change the language than to properly educate your children. What does kind of statement do you think *that* made to the world? :-0 GD&R and spraying poo suit with flame retardant Groggy |
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Gack!!! I should have said:
What does^H^H^H^H kind of statement do you think *that* made to the world? :-0 Talk about a self defeating statement - sheesh! |
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On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:18:01 -0500, Patriarch
wrote: "Teamcasa" wrote in : Creating things is what I do, the more challenging, the better. If was easy, anyone could do it. Dave There has to be a good reason. Any fool can beat their head against the wall, and call it a challenge. There's no satisfaction in that. BTDT. FWIW, the reason I create material things to the absolute best of my ability is because 99% of my blood relations are crazier than s**t-house rats. This means that to be a responsible citizen, I cannot (in good faith) have children- whether I would like them or not, (and I would like them, but remember the old saying- "Bad Blood Will Out") The wife agrees with this after meeting the in-laws and my siblings, so I build to leave a legacy to future generations that would otherwise be fulfilled via progeny. Hell, the stuff I make may *never* be worthy of a museum galley- but that's no reason not to try. I've discussed this at length with my wife, and we've come to the understanding that children are a "get out of production free" card of sorts, and as such, we each feel the drive to create items of quality to reflect our individual senses of life for posterity since we will not be providing a future generation to carry on our values. I *know* a lot of folks disagree with this viewpoint, but the whole "nature" V. "nurture" debate has never been satisfacturally resolved for me, and I cannot bear the idea of adding parasites to our already laden societies. Sometimes the whole thing makes me a little sad, but then I go make something beautiful (at least to me,) and the world seems ok again for a little while. Is there any other reason to build? Aut inveniam viam aut faciam |
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On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 18:11:11 -0400, the inscrutable Tom Watson
spake: Ya see, this is why it's fun to ask Larry to come out and play. Except for that part about the wallet. I'm pretty sure he was serious about that. I carry a professionally ported and polished pair of crowbars. "Rochester, start up the Maxwell." "Right away Mr. C-Less." "Now, cut that out!" Tomjack Bennywatson, is that you? --== May The Angst Be With You! ==-- -Yoda, on a bad day -- http://diversify.com Ending Your Web Page Angst. |
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On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 22:30:43 GMT, the inscrutable Patrick Conroy
spake: Larry Jaques wrote in : Ain't that a bit redundant there, Roy? CYA - well CMA, actually. I wasn't sure if akshully I knew what "parsimonious" meant. Well, I know it's not a vegetable and has nothing to do with a preacher. Careful you don't start a Jaquesfield/Conroy thing, son. No sir - the last thing I need. My "Aunt Dot" is still ****ed over the whole Sherman's burning of Atlanta. Seems it's my fault, and all. 'Cause I was born in the "Nawth". That's prolly true, my being raised in the Sayowth and all. P.S: I have an Aunt Dot, too. --== May The Angst Be With You! ==-- -Yoda, on a bad day -- http://diversify.com Ending Your Web Page Angst. |
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On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 18:34:04 -0400, the inscrutable Tom Watson
spake: Damn those revisionist historians! I'm still 2:1 on ya, so it's time for your crowbar, not mine. Now pay up! Noun 1. poetic license - license used by a writer or artist to heighten the effect of their work licence, license - freedom to deviate deliberately from normally applicable rules or practices (especially in behavior or speech) http://www.thefreedictionary.com OK, so it ain't the OED. I'm still ahead 2:1. I'm sorry, sir, but your poe has a tic. We don't allow those in here. We's decent folk 'n all. Quotation disqualified. (hee hee hee) BTW - you might need this: http://www.klownhammer.org/crowbar/ Please review my first paragraph, sir. (Hmmm, I suppose it couldn't hurt to see the "HOW DO I USE IT" section, could it? (Hmm, OTOH, that one George might become lonely without the other one...) --== May The Angst Be With You! ==-- -Yoda, on a bad day -- http://diversify.com Ending Your Web Page Angst. |
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On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 00:53:12 GMT, the inscrutable Groggy
spake: On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 07:07:23 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: Yeah, cuz' we usually hassle him, the Poms, and the Canuckistanis over their misspellings of our language. nomex=ON Well Larry, the beauty of "your language" is that (if you do manage to mispell a word) within a year it will appear in Websters. sigh I'm surprised that "truley" hasn't appeared there yet. All the words I had trouble with as a kid are coming out misspelled in the new dictionaries. It's truly sick. "Truely" if you believe the newest one. It's an Anglo-Canucki plot, I tell ya! For some reason you guys thought (it seems to be changing now) that it was easier to change the language than to properly educate your children. What does kind of statement do you think *that* made to the world? :-0 It sucks to live in a revisionist society up here. How is it in a disarmed society down there? GD&R and spraying poo suit with flame retardant None needed for this round. --== May The Angst Be With You! ==-- -Yoda, on a bad day -- http://diversify.com Ending Your Web Page Angst. |
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On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 00:56:08 GMT, the inscrutable Groggy
spake: Gack!!! I should have said: What does^H^H^H^H kind of statement do you think *that* made to the world? :-0 Talk about a self defeating statement - sheesh! Oh, I thought you were just a product of the Aussie school system and felt that you were, no doubt, -rapidly- gaining on us. nomex=ON --== May The Angst Be With You! ==-- -Yoda, on a bad day -- http://diversify.com Ending Your Web Page Angst. |
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Groggy wrote:
On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 07:58:38 -0500, Conan The Librarian wrote: This coming from an Aussie? Hey! Why you, you, knuckle-dragger you. May all your blades go blunt and rusty Mr Vance! OK, that does it, kangaroo-breath. You can call me names, but when you mention blunt and rusty and my tools in the same sentence ... You know, that previous sentence didn't come out quite like I expected. Good to read you Chuck, I haven't dropped in for a while and it's a pleasure to see some old regulars rather than bovine minded kiddy trolls. You too, Greg. I usually just lurk these days, and watch for an interesting subject or a poster I enjoy reading. Between all the political bullcrap and the trolls (is alt.syntax.tactical still around?), there just hasn't been a whole lot worth reading these days. Chuck Vance |
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Larry Jaques wrote:
On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:31:23 -0400, the inscrutable Tom Watson spake: The joy that I have in walking down a wood row In a yard run by a man who knows trees and the cutting of them Who keeps his best stock in a private place And expects to be asked where it is When I have in my mind a list Of pieces and parts that will go into my current paramour To make her legs slim and refined To give life to the curves that haunt my imagining Some men say that what I do is naught but geometry Sad fools Best to leave them to their confines I come upon a bole of Cherry Grown in the mountains of Pennsylvania For so long that saws can not slab it with a single cut A force of nature beyond the measure and manipulation of man It is ruddy with its essence It is rough as the soil that it has sprung form It is as honest and true as any thing can be It is perfect When I am finished If I am true to my task I will have preserved its ruddiness I will have smoothed its roughness I will have applied the art of man To the art of God And it will be as honest and true As any man made thing can be Amen Good'un, Tawm. Now fix your typoes and grammar. ("came" vs. "come", "sprung from" vs. "sprung form") LJ--Critic & WET At Large ------------------------------------------------------------------- Do. Or do not. * Stylin' Web Design Services There is no try. --Yoda * http://www.diversify.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- Good'un, Tawm. Now fix your typoes and grammar. And write it in blank verse. Stewart |
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