Good Evening,

I'm struggling on a basic brickwork design to replace an old boundary
fence. The wall I wish to build would be stretcher bond double skin,
comprising of double attach piers and end piers. The part I'm I having
problem with is the brickwork for the piers, as I wish for the
stretcher main part of the wall to join the piers in the middle and
the piers must be 327mm (1.5 bricks)

Please see a very quick sketch I've drawn.

http://oli4uk.tripod.com/brickwall.htm

Comments or alternate methods will be much appreciated,

Thanks – Oliver.

Oliver Brearley wrote:
Good Evening,

I'm struggling on a basic brickwork design to replace an old boundary
fence. The wall I wish to build would be stretcher bond double skin,
comprising of double attach piers and end piers. The part I'm I
having
problem with is the brickwork for the piers, as I wish for the
stretcher main part of the wall to join the piers in the middle and
the piers must be 327mm (1.5 bricks)

Please see a very quick sketch I've drawn.

http://oli4uk.tripod.com/brickwall.htm

Comments or alternate methods will be much appreciated,

Thanks - Oliver.


The brickwork only needs to be halfway into the pier every other
course.

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got it!
Reverse this pattern every course and it'll all bond nicely. Not one of
the easier puzzles. I might use a fill of mortar where the half brick
is.


NT

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Oliver Brearley wrote:
Good Evening,

I'm struggling on a basic brickwork design to replace an old boundary
fence. The wall I wish to build would be stretcher bond double skin,
comprising of double attach piers and end piers. The part I'm I
having
problem with is the brickwork for the piers, as I wish for the
stretcher main part of the wall to join the piers in the middle and
the piers must be 327mm (1.5 bricks)

Please see a very quick sketch I've drawn.

http://oli4uk.tripod.com/brickwall.htm

Comments or alternate methods will be much appreciated,

Thanks - Oliver.


The brickwork only needs to be halfway into the pier every other
course.

: _
: | |_
: |_| |
: | |_|
: |_| |_
: | |_| |
: |_|_|_|
: | |_ _|
: |_| |
: | |_|
: |_|

got it!
Reverse this pattern every course and it'll all bond nicely. Not one of
the easier puzzles. I might use a fill of mortar where the half brick
is.


NT


Hi,



Thanks for the reply, looking through my notes (A load of A4 sheets taken
from the printer !) that was one idea. I've updated the URL with a new pic.
It's just that I wished for the double skin stretcher to join the pier in
the middle. i.e. central to it This is purely for design though, so if I
were to build your suggestion I'd build the piers pointing towards my own
land. This is so I'm able to add some fancing coping to the stretcher wall
inbetween.



Many Thanks - Oliver

oli4uk wrote:

Thanks for the reply, looking through my notes (A load of A4 sheets
taken
from the printer !) that was one idea. I've updated the URL with a
new pic.
It's just that I wished for the double skin stretcher to join the
pier in
the middle. i.e. central to it This is purely for design though, so
if I
were to build your suggestion I'd build the piers pointing towards my
own
land. This is so I'm able to add some fancing coping to the stretcher
wall
inbetween.



Many Thanks - Oliver

The only way youre going to do that is if you slice bricks in half down
the middle, and use those half bricks all over the place. A recipe for
instability I'd imagine, not how I'd want to build a supporting pier.
Ss eml could be included in the piers to resist brick shift and thus
improve stability.

The other way would be to use cast concrete piers. Making them pretty
is a challenge, but perfectly doable if youre willing to spend some
extra time on them.

The final option would be to use stone cut for the job, but not cheap.
Or possibly concrete blocks sawn to fit, but more work and hard to make
them look good, uneles you just go for a lime plaster finish on the
piers.


Did youhave any other ideas in mind?


NT

In article .com,
" says...
oli4uk wrote:

Thanks for the reply, looking through my notes (A load of A4 sheets
taken
from the printer !) that was one idea. I've updated the URL with a
new pic.
It's just that I wished for the double skin stretcher to join the
pier in
the middle. i.e. central to it This is purely for design though, so
if I
were to build your suggestion I'd build the piers pointing towards my
own
land. This is so I'm able to add some fancing coping to the stretcher
wall
inbetween.

The only way youre going to do that is if you slice bricks in half down
the middle, and use those half bricks all over the place. A recipe for
instability I'd imagine, not how I'd want to build a supporting pier.
Ss eml could be included in the piers to resist brick shift and thus
improve stability.

How about building a simple pier, and tying it to the wall with a few
metal ties?

Looks like my reply never made it. Offered a few options.

In article . com,
" says...
Looks like my reply never made it. Offered a few options.

I see two previous posts from you in this thread - "got it!" and
"cast concrete piers"

wrote in message oups.com...
Looks like my reply never made it. Offered a few options.

I'm here, sorry for the lack of feedback. Whilst reading up on
people's comments I've also been canvassing peoples views in the
office. I'll provide and fuller update and review of suggestions
tonight.

The metal ties option maybe a goer, but just with a slight
modification as a friends Dad mentioned Wickes sell something that is
bolted to the pier and has ties attached to that.

A further review and yet more poxy sketches to come :-)

Thanks for the suggestions so far.

- Oliver.

"Oliver Brearley" wrote in message
om...
Good Evening,

I'm struggling on a basic brickwork design to replace an old boundary
fence. The wall I wish to build would be stretcher bond double skin,
comprising of double attach piers and end piers. The part I'm I having
problem with is the brickwork for the piers, as I wish for the
stretcher main part of the wall to join the piers in the middle and
the piers must be 327mm (1.5 bricks)

Please see a very quick sketch I've drawn.

http://oli4uk.tripod.com/brickwall.htm

Comments or alternate methods will be much appreciated,

Thanks - Oliver.

First thought is why the wall's stretcher bond - is it to match existing
brickwork? I'm probably going to be replacing a fence with a 1/2 wall, 1/2
fence, with piers arrangement this year & I'm going with english bond or
english wall bond & 1 1/2 brick piers. I've planned to build the piers
hollow & then fill with mortar & reinforcing rod for additional strenght.

From memory, http://www.pavingexpert.com/ has some guidance on wall
construction which may be of some use.

--
Richard Sampson

mail me at
richard at olifant d-ot co do-t uk

Oliver Brearley wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
Looks like my reply never made it. Offered a few options.

I'm here, sorry for the lack of feedback. Whilst reading up on
people's comments I've also been canvassing peoples views in the
office. I'll provide and fuller update and review of suggestions
tonight.

The metal ties option maybe a goer, but just with a slight
modification as a friends Dad mentioned Wickes sell something that is
bolted to the pier and has ties attached to that.

A further review and yet more poxy sketches to come :-)

Thanks for the suggestions so far.

- Oliver.


yep, thats an option, the use of ss EML on each layer might also be an
optoin. Those adjustable metal things seem a lot of dough for what
little they are. Some 2-3mm ss wire would be way less.


Briefly...

the only ways to do it with bricks a

1. to slice bricks in half long ways, and use them all over the place
in the piers. This would lead to instability in the brickwork. This
could be countered to a probably satisfactory extent by including full
width EML between every layer, to tie everything together. Must be ss,
not galv. But all this would not be my choice.

2. to just butt the bricks up and use ss eml at every mortar layer.
Cant say Im overly keen on that either.

3. as 2 but using 2-3mm ss wi strong and stable. Use the wire cross
ply style to prevent movement. Ready made ss wall ties might fit the
bill.

4. To use cast crete piers. The challenge is then how to make them look
good. Lime plastering the piers would be the simplest option, with
decorative stone inlay being a fancier one: terrazzo being its finest
incarnation.

4. to use stones cut to fit everything - not cheap I assume.

5. or to make life easy and do 18" brick piers instead of 13.


NT

First thought is why the wall's stretcher bond - is it to match existing
brickwork? I'm probably going to be replacing a fence with a 1/2 wall,
1/2
fence, with piers arrangement this year & I'm going with english bond or
english wall bond & 1 1/2 brick piers. I've planned to build the piers
hollow & then fill with mortar & reinforcing rod for additional strenght.

From memory, http://www.pavingexpert.com/ has some guidance on wall
construction which may be of some use.

--
Richard Sampson

mail me at
richard at olifant d-ot co do-t uk


As promised, my evening update !

I'm liking the metal wall plate / ties idea (ss EML), and now also a fence
fill

o Loads less cuts (Tidier, more stable)
o Less cuts = less mistakes = less money ;-)

Yet more details at : (Scroll to the foot of the page)
http://oli4uk.tripod.com/brickwall.htm

Questions, for various subscribers to the "Brick wall design" uk.d-i-y Team
!
o I'm Ok with ss being Stainless Steel, but what does EML stand for ?
o For the height I'm working to (See URL above) 13 bricks (~1 metre) what
would the cost of 4 ss EMLs be ?
- Note, it's now ~1 metre due to a fence filler panel - Diagram at the foot
of the URL
o Filling a hollow pier, what's the detail on performing this ?
- E.g. Is it still a 1:5 ratio, does the mortar mix need to have more water
mixed in so to make sure it fills up nicely ?

....and to share some of the more useful URLs I found on the web :

http://www.ibstock.uk.com/self-build...ads.asp?pNum=2

This is a cool page :
http://www.ibstock.uk.com/highlights...tor.asp?pNum=2

http://www.pavingexpert.com/featur03.htm
http://www.pavingexpert.com/featur09.htm

http://cig.bre.co.uk/nsdl/docs/fsw_doc.htm

http://www.baggeridge.co.uk/flashmenu.htm Jewsons stock them !

http://www.quikrete.com/diy/BasicBrickConstruction.html

In article , "oli4uk"
says...
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Questions, for various subscribers to the "Brick wall design" uk.d-i-y Team
!
o I'm Ok with ss being Stainless Steel, but what does EML stand for ?

expanded metal lath

oli4uk wrote:

As promised, my evening update !

I'm liking the metal wall plate / ties idea (ss EML), and now also a
fence
fill

o Loads less cuts (Tidier, more stable)
o Less cuts = less mistakes = less money ;-)

less cuts of what?

Yet more details at : (Scroll to the foot of the page)
http://oli4uk.tripod.com/brickwall.htm

i didnt figure out your new diagram.


Questions, for various subscribers to the "Brick wall design"
uk.d-i-y Team
!
o I'm Ok with ss being Stainless Steel, but what does EML stand for ?

expanded metal lath, aka gauze


o For the height I'm working to (See URL above) 13 bricks (~1 metre)
what
would the cost of 4 ss EMLs be ?
- Note, it's now ~1 metre due to a fence filler panel -

1 metre high? EML comes in sheet 2.5m x .7m, cut it with tinsnips. You
can work out how many pier and a bit sized pieces you can cut out of a
sheet, and thus how many courses up a sheet wil take you. My idea was
to put a flat piece of it in each mortar course to bond wall to pier,
the eml piece would be the size of the pier cross section plus 8" into
the walls.


o Filling a hollow pier, what's the detail on performing this ?
- E.g. Is it still a 1:5 ratio, does the mortar mix need to have
more water
mixed in so to make sure it fills up nicely ?

I'd use 3 sand, 1 cement, 8 stone. 1:5 would be much weaker. Stiffer
mixes would shrink during setting, which is no good in contact with a
solid brick wall. Its also an opportunity to put some ss metal in there
if you want the wall bombproof.

If you just want to use whatever mortar youre doing the wall with, and
cant be --ed to mix a separate batch, 3:1 is good for everything, no
stone.


NT

In article , "oli4uk"
says...
snip
I'm liking the metal wall plate / ties idea (ss EML)

Why use a bolted-on metal plate when you can just sandwich some EML
or wire ties between the courses of the pier and the wall?
Surely the bolt-on stuff is for tying a new wall to an existing one,
when it would be difficult to fix normal ties in the old brickwork?

"Rob Morley" wrote in message
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In article , "oli4uk"
says...
snip
I'm liking the metal wall plate / ties idea (ss EML)

Why use a bolted-on metal plate when you can just sandwich some EML
or wire ties between the courses of the pier and the wall?
Surely the bolt-on stuff is for tying a new wall to an existing one,
when it would be difficult to fix normal ties in the old brickwork?

Hi, Another round of replies, thanks for all your help. Looking at the times
they came through, does anyone sleep ?



bigcat : less cuts of what?
- God, you don't follow my chain of thought when I don't explain myself ?
jj

- The less cuts thought was in relation to the building of the pier.



bigcat : My idea was to put a flat piece of it in each mortar course to bond
wall to pier,
the eml piece would be the size of the pier cross section plus 8" into the
walls.

- A very good idea, it might have been mentioned before, but I'd not
thought it through by that time.



bigcat : Thanks for the ratios on the pier mortar fills. Bombproof might not
be a necessity,

but I like the sound of it. :-)



Rob : Surely the bolt-on stuff is for tying a new wall to an existing one,
when it would be difficult to fix normal ties in the old brickwork?

- Fair point, bigcat's idea above covers this one.



-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-



Thanks to everyone that has entertained my questions and crappie sketches.
But without the sketches showing what I intended to do, it would have taken
up a fair few lines of text. I was planning to start next week but laying
bricks at 5C (If we're lucky) just wouldn't suite my soft office keyboard
hands. That and the confidence to order up 700+ bricks and materials.



If it's ok with everyone ... I'll grab your email address and then send you
all an email at a later date with a URL that'll hopefully show you my
masterpiece.



Cheers - Oliver.

oli4uk wrote:

Hi, Another round of replies, thanks for all your help. Looking at
the times
they came through, does anyone sleep ?

only when the bloodlust has been satisfied.


bigcat : Thanks for the ratios on the pier mortar fills. Bombproof
might not
be a necessity,

but I like the sound of it. :-)

if its vulnerable to a car hit, bombproof can be useful. Only needs a
steel rod up each column. But dont make the mistake of using anything
less than ss.


If it's ok with everyone ... I'll grab your email address and then
send you
all an email at a later date with a URL that'll hopefully show you my

masterpiece.

Really not recommended. Suggest posting pic on site, and link here.

Now, quit moaning about the cold and go build! Its very satisfying you
know, once you start seeing progress. Good gloves should keep you warm.


NT