I had a new job on top of my to-do list yesterday morning.

Ice and frozen snow on the screen, snapped my scraper jabbing away at
it, so I poured some tepid water on it and hit the wipers upon which the
blades promptly tore from the arms.

Nightmare.

On Mon, 12 Apr 2021 12:54:45 +0100, R D S wrote:

I had a new job on top of my to-do list yesterday morning.

Ice and frozen snow on the screen, snapped my scraper jabbing away at
it, so I poured some tepid water on it and hit the wipers upon which the
blades promptly tore from the arms.


My wife puts some very warm water in a sealable plastic bag which she
then wipes over the glass.

My car has a windscreen heater and the blower doesn't take long to get
warm so I just listen to the radio for a few minutes whilst the car
readies itself and maybe scrape the mirrors, side windows and rear
glass clear. I never touch the blades, they stick and tear if not
careful, and if careless the blades promptly tear from the arms.

--
AnthonyL

Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next?

In article ,
R D S wrote:
I had a new job on top of my to-do list yesterday morning.

Ice and frozen snow on the screen, snapped my scraper jabbing away at
it, so I poured some tepid water on it and hit the wipers upon which the
blades promptly tore from the arms.

Rule one. Always check the blades ain't stuck to the screen before
switching on. You can check this by lifting them off the screen against
the springs while scraping etc the ice off.

--
*My wife and I had words. But I didn't get to use mine.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Dave Plowman wrote:

R D S wrote:

Ice and frozen snow on the screen, snapped my scraper jabbing away at
it, so I poured some tepid water on it and hit the wipers upon which the
blades promptly tore from the arms.

Rule one. Always check the blades ain't stuck to the screen before
switching on. You can check this by lifting them off the screen against
the springs while scraping etc the ice off.

Rule two. Always check the automatic windscreen wiper setting is off
before turning on the ignition, or the sensor may interpret scraping the
windscreen or pouring tepid water on the windscreen/blades as "rain".

On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 2:50:40 PM UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
R D S wrote:
I had a new job on top of my to-do list yesterday morning.

Ice and frozen snow on the screen, snapped my scraper jabbing away at
it, so I poured some tepid water on it and hit the wipers upon which the
blades promptly tore from the arms.
Rule one. Always check the blades ain't stuck to the screen before
switching on. You can check this by lifting them off the screen against
the springs while scraping etc the ice off.

--
*My wife and I had words. But I didn't get to use mine.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

I just run the engine with the heater, screen and rear window demisters turned on and the heated seats. An advantage of living in the sticks. The other car has a phone app which allows me to preheat the interior on preset days at preset times or immediately, which is equally delicious

In message , Andy Burns
writes
Dave Plowman wrote:

R D S wrote:

Ice and frozen snow on the screen, snapped my scraper jabbing away at
it, so I poured some tepid water on it and hit the wipers upon which the
blades promptly tore from the arms.
Rule one. Always check the blades ain't stuck to the screen before
switching on. You can check this by lifting them off the screen against
the springs while scraping etc the ice off.

Rule two. Always check the automatic windscreen wiper setting is off
before turning on the ignition, or the sensor may interpret scraping
the windscreen or pouring tepid water on the windscreen/blades as "rain".
Do auto screen wiper cars not have sighted drivers?


--
Tim Lamb

Andy Burns explained :
Rule two. Always check the automatic windscreen wiper setting is off before
turning on the ignition, or the sensor may interpret scraping the windscreen
or pouring tepid water on the windscreen/blades as "rain".

My auto-wipers cancel themselves, even if left on auto, fast or slow,
if the ignition is switched off. The wiper switch has to be moved to
reselect them. A constant annoyance and I've always wondered why, but
frozen wipers seems to explain it doing that, though I suppose the
system could just check the temperature outside before inhibiting them.

On 12/04/2021 12:54, R D S wrote:
I had a new job on top of my to-do list yesterday morning.

Ice and frozen snow on the screen, snapped my scraper jabbing away at
it, so I poured some tepid water on it and hit the wipers upon which the
blades promptly tore from the arms.

Nightmare.
haaaaaaaaaaaa lucky the screen didn't crack...tee hee

Wrong type of ice clearly, I'd complain.
Brian

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"R D S" wrote in message
...
I had a new job on top of my to-do list yesterday morning.

Ice and frozen snow on the screen, snapped my scraper jabbing away at it,
so I poured some tepid water on it and hit the wipers upon which the
blades promptly tore from the arms.

Nightmare.

On 12/04/2021 02:05 pm, AnthonyL wrote:

On Mon, 12 Apr 2021 12:54:45 +0100, R D S wrote:

I had a new job on top of my to-do list yesterday morning.

Ice and frozen snow on the screen, snapped my scraper jabbing away at
it, so I poured some tepid water on it and hit the wipers upon which the
blades promptly tore from the arms.


My wife puts some very warm water in a sealable plastic bag which she
then wipes over the glass.

My car has a windscreen heater and the blower doesn't take long to get
warm so I just listen to the radio for a few minutes whilst the car
readies itself and maybe scrape the mirrors, side windows and rear
glass clear. I never touch the blades, they stick and tear if not
careful, and if careless the blades promptly tear from the arms.

Imagine what waiting for the heaters to defrost the screen will be like
when you can only have an electric car.

It might be OK at home, where you might be able to bring some warm water
or maybe a hairdryer to the car. But what if you're frozen-up miles from
home and have to rely on what's in the battery to get you there.

R D S wrote:
I had a new job on top of my to-do list yesterday morning.

Ice and frozen snow on the screen, snapped my scraper jabbing away at
it, so I poured some tepid water on it and hit the wipers upon which the
blades promptly tore from the arms.

Nightmare.

One of the secrets, is the right kind of scraper. There are many items like
this that you can buy, that don't measure up to the name, including those
hand-scrapers that are just a bit bigger than your hand. These are made
with a wooden handle, which resists snapping. The brush on one end, you
can use that until the bristles curl up on it. The blade, hardly ever breaks.
Occasionally a corner will snap on one, if you try and score too-thick ice.

https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/m...4424p.html#srp

The other thing, is keep a Windex trigger bottle with this stored in it.
You can use this stuff, four seasons. But also put some in a used Windex
bottle, for deployment as necessary (like before fitting keys to ignition).
This stuff freezes at -45C. If the jets are frozen on the windshield washer,
your portable solution can get things started. The brand doesn't matter,
we have several colours and green is the one you want, pink and blue are no good.
Green is -45C, blue is -35C, pink is summer.

https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/r...-0290005p.html

You don't want to go with anything too caustic, because of the potential for
damage to the drain channels or the frame around the windshield. There are
probably a few chemicals that would make great ice melters, that would not be
healthy for where the fluids drain. The green stuff is pretty tame.

As for using heated liquids on the windshield, that's pretty safe when
the windshield is still bedded down on the sealant. It's when the
windshield frame steel rusts and raises a "bump" under the windshield
and the rusty "bump" touches the windshield, that's bad. That will cause
windshield failures. Many lazy windshield replacement shops will ignore the
damage to the frame and not tell you. I had to go to a small family shop, where
the guy phoned me up while doing the job and told me what a mess it was.
And he sanded it down flush ("angle grinder") and put a new finish on
the frame, then sealant and windshield, and no more broken windshields
after that. That doubles the cost of the job. The idea is, the windshield
has to be "floating on sealant" to work properly. Then heated water
won't hurt it.

Paul

On 12/04/2021 14:05, AnthonyL wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2021 12:54:45 +0100, R D S wrote:

I had a new job on top of my to-do list yesterday morning.

Ice and frozen snow on the screen, snapped my scraper jabbing away at
it, so I poured some tepid water on it and hit the wipers upon which the
blades promptly tore from the arms.


My wife puts some very warm water in a sealable plastic bag which she
then wipes over the glass.

My car has a windscreen heater and the blower doesn't take long to get
warm so I just listen to the radio for a few minutes whilst the car
readies itself and maybe scrape the mirrors, side windows and rear
glass clear. I never touch the blades, they stick and tear if not
careful, and if careless the blades promptly tear from the arms.


I have noted that my more energy efficient diesel car takes much longer
to warm up than the previous petrol ones I had. I treasure an ice
scraper with a metal blade that I bought in Sweden that has a metal
blade. I do have to be careful not to scratch the side windows.


--
Michael Chare

On 12/04/2021 18:55, Michael Chare wrote:
I have noted that my more energy efficient diesel car takes much longer
to warm up than the previous petrol ones I had.

Don't they?

When I set off driving with the heating set to auto it's about a mile
before there is enough warmth for the car to bother with the blowers.

On 12/04/2021 14:43, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Rule one. Always check the blades ain't stuck to the screen before
switching on. You can check this by lifting them off the screen against
the springs while scraping etc the ice off.


I was sat in it.

I poured the water and watched as it crept satisfyingly behind the snow
and appeared to free it up.

I genuinely screamed as I watched the arms oscillate alone.

On 12/04/2021 16:49, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 12/04/2021 12:54, R D S wrote:
I had a new job on top of my to-do list yesterday morning.

Ice and frozen snow on the screen, snapped my scraper jabbing away at
it, so I poured some tepid water on it and hit the wipers upon which
the blades promptly tore from the arms.

Nightmare.
haaaaaaaaaaaa lucky the screen didn't crack...tee hee

Tepid Jim, not cracked a screen in thirty plus years.

On 12/04/2021 18:12, JNugent wrote:
On 12/04/2021 02:05 pm, AnthonyL wrote:

On Mon, 12 Apr 2021 12:54:45 +0100, R D S wrote:

I had a new job on top of my to-do list yesterday morning.

Ice and frozen snow on the screen, snapped my scraper jabbing away at
it, so I poured some tepid water on it and hit the wipers upon which the
blades promptly tore from the arms.


My wife puts some very warm water in a sealable plastic bag which she
then wipes over the glass.

My car has a windscreen heater and the blower doesn't take long to get
warm so I just listen to the radio for a few minutes whilst the car
readies itself and maybe scrape the mirrors, side windows and rear
glass clear.Â* I never touch the blades, they stick and tear if not
careful, and if careless the blades promptly tear from the arms.

Imagine what waiting for the heaters to defrost the screen will be like
when you can only have an electric car.

It might be OK at home, where you might be able to bring some warm water
or maybe a hairdryer to the car. But what if you're frozen-up miles from
home and have to rely on what's in the battery to get you there.

Presumably electric Fords will have their brilliant (but patented)
heated screens?

JNugent wrote:
On 12/04/2021 02:05 pm, AnthonyL wrote:

On Mon, 12 Apr 2021 12:54:45 +0100, R D S wrote:

I had a new job on top of my to-do list yesterday morning.

Ice and frozen snow on the screen, snapped my scraper jabbing away at
it, so I poured some tepid water on it and hit the wipers upon which the
blades promptly tore from the arms.


My wife puts some very warm water in a sealable plastic bag which she
then wipes over the glass.

My car has a windscreen heater and the blower doesn't take long to get
warm so I just listen to the radio for a few minutes whilst the car
readies itself and maybe scrape the mirrors, side windows and rear
glass clear. I never touch the blades, they stick and tear if not
careful, and if careless the blades promptly tear from the arms.

Imagine what waiting for the heaters to defrost the screen will be like
when you can only have an electric car.

Yeah, its great. I can lie in my bed and defrost my car from there.


It might be OK at home, where you might be able to bring some warm water
or maybe a hairdryer to the car. But what if you're frozen-up miles from
home and have to rely on what's in the battery to get you there.

Well youd be a fool to do it if your battery was really low but that would
be a rare event for me away from home.

Tim



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R D S wrote:
On 12/04/2021 16:49, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 12/04/2021 12:54, R D S wrote:
I had a new job on top of my to-do list yesterday morning.

Ice and frozen snow on the screen, snapped my scraper jabbing away at
it, so I poured some tepid water on it and hit the wipers upon which
the blades promptly tore from the arms.

Nightmare.
haaaaaaaaaaaa lucky the screen didn't crack...tee hee

Tepid Jim, not cracked a screen in thirty plus years.


Ive poured really hot water over iced up screens for many years with no
problems.

Tim

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"Tim Lamb" wrote in message
...
In message , Andy Burns
writes
Dave Plowman wrote:

R D S wrote:

Ice and frozen snow on the screen, snapped my scraper jabbing away at
it, so I poured some tepid water on it and hit the wipers upon which
the
blades promptly tore from the arms.
Rule one. Always check the blades ain't stuck to the screen before
switching on. You can check this by lifting them off the screen against
the springs while scraping etc the ice off.

Rule two. Always check the automatic windscreen wiper setting is off
before turning on the ignition, or the sensor may interpret scraping the
windscreen or pouring tepid water on the windscreen/blades as "rain".

Do auto screen wiper cars not have sighted drivers?

Just ones that find it convenient.

On 12/04/2021 14:57, fred wrote:
On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 2:50:40 PM UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
R D S wrote:
I had a new job on top of my to-do list yesterday morning.

Ice and frozen snow on the screen, snapped my scraper jabbing away at
it, so I poured some tepid water on it and hit the wipers upon which the
blades promptly tore from the arms.
Rule one. Always check the blades ain't stuck to the screen before
switching on. You can check this by lifting them off the screen against
the springs while scraping etc the ice off.

--
*My wife and I had words. But I didn't get to use mine.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

I just run the engine with the heater, screen and rear window demisters turned on and the heated seats. An advantage of living in the sticks.

And rev it's knackers off to heat it faster?


--
Adam

"Rod Speed is an entirely modern phenomenon. Essentially, Rod Speed
is an insecure and worthless individual who has discovered he can
enhance his own self-esteem in his own eyes by playing "the big, hard
man" on the InterNet."

https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/r...d-faq.2973853/

--
JimK addressing senile Rodent Speed:
"I really feel the quality of your trolling has dropped in the last few
months..."
MID:

In article ,
Andy Burns wrote:
Dave Plowman wrote:

R D S wrote:

Ice and frozen snow on the screen, snapped my scraper jabbing away at
it, so I poured some tepid water on it and hit the wipers upon which the
blades promptly tore from the arms.

Rule one. Always check the blades ain't stuck to the screen before
switching on. You can check this by lifting them off the screen against
the springs while scraping etc the ice off.

Rule two. Always check the automatic windscreen wiper setting is off
before turning on the ignition, or the sensor may interpret scraping the
windscreen or pouring tepid water on the windscreen/blades as "rain".

My last car with auto wipers (current one doesn't have them) cancelled the
auto setting at switch off.

--
*My wife has a slight impediment in her speech. She stops to breathe.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Andy Burns explained :
Rule two. Always check the automatic windscreen wiper setting is off before
turning on the ignition, or the sensor may interpret scraping the windscreen
or pouring tepid water on the windscreen/blades as "rain".

My auto-wipers cancel themselves, even if left on auto, fast or slow,
if the ignition is switched off. The wiper switch has to be moved to
reselect them. A constant annoyance and I've always wondered why, but
frozen wipers seems to explain it doing that, though I suppose the
system could just check the temperature outside before inhibiting them.

That and perhaps auto car washes.

--
*I can see your point, but I still think you're full of ****.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
R D S wrote:
On 12/04/2021 18:55, Michael Chare wrote:
I have noted that my more energy efficient diesel car takes much longer
to warm up than the previous petrol ones I had.

Don't they?

When I set off driving with the heating set to auto it's about a mile
before there is enough warmth for the car to bother with the blowers.

I've often wondered about that. Surely the answer would be a much smaller
cooling system? Less volume would heat up quicker? But capacities seem
similar to petrol cars. Or could be a diesel efficiency gets much poorer
at full throttle?

--
*Gargling is a good way to see if your throat leaks.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 12/04/2021 08:59 pm, newshound wrote:
On 12/04/2021 18:12, JNugent wrote:
On 12/04/2021 02:05 pm, AnthonyL wrote:

On Mon, 12 Apr 2021 12:54:45 +0100, R D S wrote:

I had a new job on top of my to-do list yesterday morning.

Ice and frozen snow on the screen, snapped my scraper jabbing away at
it, so I poured some tepid water on it and hit the wipers upon which
the
blades promptly tore from the arms.


My wife puts some very warm water in a sealable plastic bag which she
then wipes over the glass.

My car has a windscreen heater and the blower doesn't take long to get
warm so I just listen to the radio for a few minutes whilst the car
readies itself and maybe scrape the mirrors, side windows and rear
glass clear.Â* I never touch the blades, they stick and tear if not
careful, and if careless the blades promptly tear from the arms.

Imagine what waiting for the heaters to defrost the screen will be
like when you can only have an electric car.

It might be OK at home, where you might be able to bring some warm
water or maybe a hairdryer to the car. But what if you're frozen-up
miles from home and have to rely on what's in the battery to get you
there.

Presumably electric Fords will have their brilliant (but patented)
heated screens?

....powered by...?

On 12/04/2021 08:59 pm, Tim+ wrote:
JNugent wrote:
On 12/04/2021 02:05 pm, AnthonyL wrote:

On Mon, 12 Apr 2021 12:54:45 +0100, R D S wrote:

I had a new job on top of my to-do list yesterday morning.

Ice and frozen snow on the screen, snapped my scraper jabbing away at
it, so I poured some tepid water on it and hit the wipers upon which the
blades promptly tore from the arms.


My wife puts some very warm water in a sealable plastic bag which she
then wipes over the glass.

My car has a windscreen heater and the blower doesn't take long to get
warm so I just listen to the radio for a few minutes whilst the car
readies itself and maybe scrape the mirrors, side windows and rear
glass clear. I never touch the blades, they stick and tear if not
careful, and if careless the blades promptly tear from the arms.

Imagine what waiting for the heaters to defrost the screen will be like
when you can only have an electric car.

Yeah, its great. I can lie in my bed and defrost my car from there.

It might be OK at home, where you might be able to bring some warm water
or maybe a hairdryer to the car. But what if you're frozen-up miles from
home and have to rely on what's in the battery to get you there.

Well youd be a fool to do it if your battery was really low but that would
be a rare event for me away from home.

With electric cars, it cannot possibly be a rare event for the battery
charge to be low while away from home.

JNugent wrote:
On 12/04/2021 08:59 pm, Tim+ wrote:
JNugent wrote:
On 12/04/2021 02:05 pm, AnthonyL wrote:

On Mon, 12 Apr 2021 12:54:45 +0100, R D S wrote:

I had a new job on top of my to-do list yesterday morning.

Ice and frozen snow on the screen, snapped my scraper jabbing away at
it, so I poured some tepid water on it and hit the wipers upon which the
blades promptly tore from the arms.


My wife puts some very warm water in a sealable plastic bag which she
then wipes over the glass.

My car has a windscreen heater and the blower doesn't take long to get
warm so I just listen to the radio for a few minutes whilst the car
readies itself and maybe scrape the mirrors, side windows and rear
glass clear. I never touch the blades, they stick and tear if not
careful, and if careless the blades promptly tear from the arms.

Imagine what waiting for the heaters to defrost the screen will be like
when you can only have an electric car.

Yeah, its great. I can lie in my bed and defrost my car from there.

It might be OK at home, where you might be able to bring some warm water
or maybe a hairdryer to the car. But what if you're frozen-up miles from
home and have to rely on what's in the battery to get you there.

Well youd be a fool to do it if your battery was really low but that would
be a rare event for me away from home.

With electric cars, it cannot possibly be a rare event for the battery
charge to be low while away from home.


How often has your screen frozen up during the day? Besides, I said €œtoo
low€�.

Tim

--
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On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 6:12:11 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 12/04/2021 02:05 pm, AnthonyL wrote:

On Mon, 12 Apr 2021 12:54:45 +0100, R D S wrote:

I had a new job on top of my to-do list yesterday morning.

Ice and frozen snow on the screen, snapped my scraper jabbing away at
it, so I poured some tepid water on it and hit the wipers upon which the
blades promptly tore from the arms.


My wife puts some very warm water in a sealable plastic bag which she
then wipes over the glass.

My car has a windscreen heater and the blower doesn't take long to get
warm so I just listen to the radio for a few minutes whilst the car
readies itself and maybe scrape the mirrors, side windows and rear
glass clear. I never touch the blades, they stick and tear if not
careful, and if careless the blades promptly tear from the arms.
Imagine what waiting for the heaters to defrost the screen will be like
when you can only have an electric car.

It might be OK at home, where you might be able to bring some warm water
or maybe a hairdryer to the car. But what if you're frozen-up miles from
home and have to rely on what's in the battery to get you there.


No problem. A phone app sets it up for me but I do have home charging but would not necessarily plugged in to use pre conditioning

On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 9:07:46 PM UTC+1, ARW wrote:
On 12/04/2021 14:57, fred wrote:
On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 2:50:40 PM UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
R D S wrote:
I had a new job on top of my to-do list yesterday morning.

Ice and frozen snow on the screen, snapped my scraper jabbing away at
it, so I poured some tepid water on it and hit the wipers upon which the
blades promptly tore from the arms.
Rule one. Always check the blades ain't stuck to the screen before
switching on. You can check this by lifting them off the screen against
the springs while scraping etc the ice off.

--
*My wife and I had words. But I didn't get to use mine.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

I just run the engine with the heater, screen and rear window demisters turned on and the heated seats. An advantage of living in the sticks.
And rev it's knackers off to heat it faster?


--
Adam
No. Running all that increases the revs which helps warm uo

On 12/04/2021 18:55, Michael Chare wrote:
On 12/04/2021 14:05, AnthonyL wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2021 12:54:45 +0100, R D S wrote:

I had a new job on top of my to-do list yesterday morning.

Ice and frozen snow on the screen, snapped my scraper jabbing away at
it, so I poured some tepid water on it and hit the wipers upon which the
blades promptly tore from the arms.


My wife puts some very warm water in a sealable plastic bag which she
then wipes over the glass.

My car has a windscreen heater and the blower doesn't take long to get
warm so I just listen to the radio for a few minutes whilst the car
readies itself and maybe scrape the mirrors, side windows and rear
glass clear.Â* I never touch the blades, they stick and tear if not
careful, and if careless the blades promptly tear from the arms.


I have noted that my more energy efficient diesel car takes much longer
to warm up than the previous petrol ones I had.

Yes. Some diesels have much larger alternators and an electric heater to
warm them faster - some Focus diesels had that ... a 1kW electric
heater! Unfortunately, mine didn't, and it would often take 4 or 5 miles
to really get warmed up. My current car is petrol and is much better in
that respect.

On 13/04/2021 01:13, JNugent wrote:
On 12/04/2021 08:59 pm, newshound wrote:
On 12/04/2021 18:12, JNugent wrote:
On 12/04/2021 02:05 pm, AnthonyL wrote:

On Mon, 12 Apr 2021 12:54:45 +0100, R D S wrote:

I had a new job on top of my to-do list yesterday morning.

Ice and frozen snow on the screen, snapped my scraper jabbing away at
it, so I poured some tepid water on it and hit the wipers upon
which the
blades promptly tore from the arms.


My wife puts some very warm water in a sealable plastic bag which she
then wipes over the glass.

My car has a windscreen heater and the blower doesn't take long to get
warm so I just listen to the radio for a few minutes whilst the car
readies itself and maybe scrape the mirrors, side windows and rear
glass clear.Â* I never touch the blades, they stick and tear if not
careful, and if careless the blades promptly tear from the arms.

Imagine what waiting for the heaters to defrost the screen will be
like when you can only have an electric car.

It might be OK at home, where you might be able to bring some warm
water or maybe a hairdryer to the car. But what if you're frozen-up
miles from home and have to rely on what's in the battery to get you
there.

Presumably electric Fords will have their brilliant (but patented)
heated screens?

...powered by...?

Unobtanium, pixie dust and unicorn farts, just like all other 'green'
solutions.




--
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fill the world with fools.€�

Herbert Spencer

On 12/04/2021 18:55, Michael Chare wrote:
On 12/04/2021 14:05, AnthonyL wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2021 12:54:45 +0100, R D S wrote:

I had a new job on top of my to-do list yesterday morning.

Ice and frozen snow on the screen, snapped my scraper jabbing away at
it, so I poured some tepid water on it and hit the wipers upon which the
blades promptly tore from the arms.


My wife puts some very warm water in a sealable plastic bag which she
then wipes over the glass.

My car has a windscreen heater and the blower doesn't take long to get
warm so I just listen to the radio for a few minutes whilst the car
readies itself and maybe scrape the mirrors, side windows and rear
glass clear.Â* I never touch the blades, they stick and tear if not
careful, and if careless the blades promptly tear from the arms.


I have noted that my more energy efficient diesel car takes much longer
to warm up than the previous petrol ones I had. I treasure an ice
scraper with a metal blade that I bought in Sweden that has a metal
blade. I do have to be careful not to scratch the side windows.


It was so bad on my freelander that it was fitted with a small diesel
boiler under the nearside front wing.

I dunno how the XF does it. but its less than 2 mile before it is
starting to get warm. My guess is a smaller and/or alloy block...

No one seems to know whether

- the engine has excellent coolant management
- the engine has an electric water heater
- the car is fitted with a diesel burning auxiliary heater


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fill the world with fools.€�

Herbert Spencer

On 12/04/2021 20:59, Tim+ wrote:
R D S wrote:
On 12/04/2021 16:49, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 12/04/2021 12:54, R D S wrote:
I had a new job on top of my to-do list yesterday morning.

Ice and frozen snow on the screen, snapped my scraper jabbing away at
it, so I poured some tepid water on it and hit the wipers upon which
the blades promptly tore from the arms.

Nightmare.
haaaaaaaaaaaa lucky the screen didn't crack...tee hee

Tepid Jim, not cracked a screen in thirty plus years.


Ive poured really hot water over iced up screens for many years with no
problems.

Tim

ditto


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Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat.

In article ,
Steve Walker wrote:
I have noted that my more energy efficient diesel car takes much longer
to warm up than the previous petrol ones I had.

Yes. Some diesels have much larger alternators and an electric heater to
warm them faster - some Focus diesels had that ... a 1kW electric
heater! Unfortunately, mine didn't, and it would often take 4 or 5 miles
to really get warmed up. My current car is petrol and is much better in
that respect.

Surely a direct diesel burning heater makes more sense? You could set that
going before you get to the car in the morning?

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On Tue, 13 Apr 2021 11:00:08 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Steve Walker wrote:
I have noted that my more energy efficient diesel car takes much
longer to warm up than the previous petrol ones I had.

Yes. Some diesels have much larger alternators and an electric heater
to warm them faster - some Focus diesels had that ... a 1kW electric
heater! Unfortunately, mine didn't, and it would often take 4 or 5
miles to really get warmed up. My current car is petrol and is much
better in that respect.

Surely a direct diesel burning heater makes more sense? You could set
that going before you get to the car in the morning?

A diesel heater is standard fitment for Fords of a certain trim level if
they are destined for a cold country. The UK does not qualify.

On 12/04/2021 12:54, R D S wrote:
I had a new job on top of my to-do list yesterday morning.

Ice and frozen snow on the screen, snapped my scraper jabbing away at
it, so I poured some tepid water on it and hit the wipers upon which the
blades promptly tore from the arms.

Nightmare.

No problem with any of that .

Remove surface snow, quick spray of Iso propyl alcohol(so much cheaper
than demister) .

Quick clean of the windscreen with the windsbreen washers (hopefully
not frozen [but in the winter I use stuff that's good to minus 20 so no
problems there]) if it's below that will seriously consider just going
back into the house and having a 'duvet day'.

No snapped/torn wipers no stuck/snapped scrapers.

Never had a problem with rubber around windscreen and never had
streaking (maybe a tiny bit VERY occasionally but that is cleared by a
quick once with the wipers and the windscreen washer).

I would NEVER NEVER never pour even tepid water onto a screen, I know it
is strong enough to cope with 200+ mile an hour winds, but thermal shock
can do some 'interesting' things.

As I drive a Motability car and they would pay if my windscreen cracked
I have no deep seated qualms about breaking it but I still wouldn't want
to be of the road until the screen was fixed.

On 13/04/2021 10:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 12/04/2021 20:59, Tim+ wrote:
R D S wrote:
On 12/04/2021 16:49, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 12/04/2021 12:54, R D S wrote:
I had a new job on top of my to-do list yesterday morning.

Ice and frozen snow on the screen, snapped my scraper jabbing away at
it, so I poured some tepid water on it and hit the wipers upon which
the blades promptly tore from the arms.

Nightmare.
haaaaaaaaaaaa lucky the screen didn't crack...tee hee

Tepid Jim, not cracked a screen in thirty plus years.


Ive poured really hot water over iced up screens for many years with no
problems.

Tim

ditto


crazy

soup wrote:

I would NEVER NEVER never pour even tepid water onto a screen

Like others, I've only used water for defrosting for at least 30 years,
no issues with cracking.

On 13/04/2021 11:00, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Steve Walker wrote:
I have noted that my more energy efficient diesel car takes much longer
to warm up than the previous petrol ones I had.

Yes. Some diesels have much larger alternators and an electric heater to
warm them faster - some Focus diesels had that ... a 1kW electric
heater! Unfortunately, mine didn't, and it would often take 4 or 5 miles
to really get warmed up. My current car is petrol and is much better in
that respect.

Surely a direct diesel burning heater makes more sense? You could set that
going before you get to the car in the morning?

Have you seen how little space there is under the bonnet of a Focus
diesel? I looked at adding a diesel fired pre-heater and decided it was
pretty well impossible. I also looked at electric heaters, as my car is
normally parked on the drive at night, but even that would have been
difficult, as there was no space for the heater and pump where the pipes
were actually accessible.

I am sure that I could have done it if I'd really wanted to, but I could
put up with slow heating. Aircon kept the screen demisted well enough
and I rarely feel the cold - often de-icing the car with a scraper while
wearing a short-sleeved shirt and no jacket or coat.

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
unicorn farts

Well, I would use them but they aren't vegan, have been
unfairly appropriated by the Norman aristocracy (who all
only have degrees in the humanities), and they only count
as renewable if you feed the unicorns soya grown in the
USA or the EUSSR under LED lighting driven by tidal power
stored in compressed air energy storage systems.

#Paul