"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
tim... wrote:
Since you've already mentioned NZ, another island state, look at how
they've handled it.

NZ is not the slightest bit comparable with the UK (from a Covid pov)

It is geographically the same size as the UK with one tenth the
population

Its nearest trading partner is 2000 miles away (yes I was surprised it
was
that far too)

consequently it can close its borders and be 100% self sufficient if it
needs to be

So just to be clear. You're saying NZ contained Covid by stopping all
imports and exports, including food etc?

As far as it was possible

yes that's exactly what it did

On 16/02/2021 20:36, bert wrote:
In article , T i m
writes
On 15 Feb 2021 18:16:48 GMT, Tim Streater
wrote:

On 15 Feb 2021 at 18:04:21 GMT, George Miles
wrote:

they know the lies of £350 milllion saved for the NHS ,

Oh is this a lie? Do tell me in what way. I'm keen to know.

I appreciate you are only a goblin and really don't understand all
this human stuff but we have *NEVER* paid £350M/w to the EU EVER,
because a discount was agreed (the UK wanting to have special
treatment again) and so we only *ever* paid the sum after discount.

And even if the net sum was that it 'cost' us being in the EU, that's
part of the deal, that all those who can help those who can't so they
can become stronger themselves (and it's working).

And even if it was the case there is nothing in writing to say that
this '£350 million / week' would *EVER* be given to the NHS *instead*.
Exactly, so for remoaners to say it was promised is indeed a lie.

The whole remoan campaign is turning out to be a lie.

As we finally understand what we have escaped from.


--
"I guess a rattlesnake ain't risponsible fer bein' a rattlesnake, but ah
puts mah heel on um jess the same if'n I catches him around mah chillun".

On 16/02/2021 20:37, bert wrote:
In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
Â* Tim Streater wrote:
On 15 Feb 2021 at 18:04:21 GMT, George Miles
wrote:

they know the lies of £350 milllion saved for the NHS ,

Oh is this a lie? Do tell me in what way. I'm keen to know.

No, they dont want more chaos in the EU with more countries leaving,

Whether countries leave or not is not a matter for the EU, it's a matter
for the country concerned. More particularly, for its population. This
is obviously the case since it's wired into the Lisbon Treaty. But I
don't recall there being any text there that the EU reserved the right
to sulk about it, or could veto countries which chose to leave, or treat
them in a ****ty childish way. If you disagree, feel free to point me at
the relevant text.

But, of course, the last thing the UK wanted was to leave the EU. They
expected to still be in it (as it were) except for all the bits they
didn't like. An EU lite, designed by the UK.

Surely it comes as no surprise that the EU simply isn't having it?

It will be very interesting to see how the leave supporters treat
Scotland
if it gains independence.

Scotland will not "gain independence". It may in due course decide to
withdraw from the Union it entered voluntarily.

I don't think it was that voluntary. They were bankrupt. Union was the
price of financial support.

And still is


--
"I guess a rattlesnake ain't risponsible fer bein' a rattlesnake, but ah
puts mah heel on um jess the same if'n I catches him around mah chillun".

"Adrian" wrote in message
...
In message , Steve Walker
writes
If they are UK residents who want to have a break and return to the UK,
then there are two options. 1) they need to go straight into isolation on
returning to the UK or 2) they can show that they have not been in contact
(directly or indirectly) with people outside their crew for 10 days.


The problem seems to be two fold. The country where the ships are won't
let the crew come ashore (even to go directly to an airport), and they
won't let the replacement crew enter the country.

that's the problem of having ships registered in Liberia which they never
actually visit

I don't think this happens with ships registered in sensible places that the
ship does visit occasionally

"bert" wrote in message
...
In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
bert wrote:
Very simple. By the way they've handled this pandemic. Constantly too
little too late.

15m jabs too late?

120,000 deaths too late.

So you think it was possible to have zero deaths. Not even China managed
that.

ITYM

Not even China tried to pretend that

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
bert wrote:
Very simple. By the way they've handled this pandemic. Constantly too
little too late.

15m jabs too late?

120,000 deaths too late.

and what would you have done to get the death rate even approaching zero?

"Jim Jackson" wrote in message
...
On 2021-02-16, bert wrote:
In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
bert wrote:
Very simple. By the way they've handled this pandemic. Constantly too
little too late.

15m jabs too late?

120,000 deaths too late.

So you think it was possible to have zero deaths. Not even China managed
that.

Who said anything about zero? That's just a stupid arguing tactic.

We are at the worse end of the country overall death rate for covid. We
can debate till the cows come home whose fault that is, or even if that
is the likely end result - remember when Italy had the worst death rate?

I said at the time. I am saying it again

the big mistake that we made was in not closing our borders to casual
visitors in March 2020

That's something that virtually ever other country in the world did

"T i m" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 13:15:56 +0000, Steve Walker
wrote:

snip

What is so hard about wearing a mask properly; getting what you, as
quickly as possible; queuing according to the floor markings; and then
getting out.

Loads. To do and keep doing that you have to both consider others and
understand the rules / reasons / processes and few do, well, till they
or someone close to them catches / dies of it ... then they at least
realise what they should have been doing all along (possibly).

As always it's a selfish / ignorant minority who spoil it for everyone
else (like those flying into Heathrow then getting the train into
Scotland to avoid being locked down, putting all of us at risk).

being told that you have to follow some snake around every aisle when you
only want 1 item, is daft

On 16/02/2021 22:25, Steve Walker wrote:
On 16/02/2021 21:09, Jim Jackson wrote:
On 2021-02-16, bert wrote:
In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
Â*Â* bert wrote:
Very simple. By the way they've handled this pandemic. Constantly too
little too late.

15m jabs too late?

120,000 deaths too late.

So you think it was possible to have zero deaths. Not even China managed
that.

Who said anything about zero?Â* That's just a stupid arguing tactic.

We are at the worse end of the country overall death rate for covid. We
can debate till the cows come home whose fault that is, or even if that
is the likely end result - remember when Italy had the worst death rate?

We may or may not be.

I have no idea of how the figures are calculated and adjusted, but I do
know that while we were counting Covid deaths from all sources, Germany
was counting them only from hospital deaths. Unless everyone is
measuring the same way or we make corrections for it, we cannot compare
the UK death rate to other countries.

In a few years, once accurate data and corrections can be gathered, we
will know more.

We probably never will.

People die - old people die - from pneumonia a lot.


Art students and other binary thinkers will decide that if they had
covid 19 in their blood that means they either did, or didn't die from that.

intelligent people realise its not that simple and really the only thing
that is meaningful is excess death rate, and even that is arguable on
account of the lack of hospital care being afforded to other potentially
lethal conditions.

But that's all to hard for little Lefty Brains to come to terms with -
they want clear simple 'two legs bad four legs good' notions to rule
what passes for a brain


It is similar to the effects on the economy. The UK comes out worst in
the EU/UK group, as the papers are keep to tell us - however, correcting
for the differing methods of calculation (they at least are already
known and can be adjusted for), the UK actually comes out slap-bang in
the middle of the list.

Or at the top. It depends what metric...


--
"I guess a rattlesnake ain't risponsible fer bein' a rattlesnake, but ah
puts mah heel on um jess the same if'n I catches him around mah chillun".

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
On 15 Feb 2021 at 18:04:21 GMT, George Miles
wrote:

they know the lies of £350 milllion saved for the NHS ,

Oh is this a lie? Do tell me in what way. I'm keen to know.

No, they dont want more chaos in the EU with more countries leaving,

Whether countries leave or not is not a matter for the EU, it's a matter
for the country concerned. More particularly, for its population. This
is obviously the case since it's wired into the Lisbon Treaty. But I
don't recall there being any text there that the EU reserved the right
to sulk about it, or could veto countries which chose to leave, or treat
them in a ****ty childish way. If you disagree, feel free to point me at
the relevant text.

But, of course, the last thing the UK wanted was to leave the EU. They
expected to still be in it (as it were) except for all the bits they
didn't like. An EU lite, designed by the UK.

Surely it comes as no surprise that the EU simply isn't having it?

It will be very interesting to see how the leave supporters treat Scotland
if it gains independence.

and what makes you think it will be in any way other than courteously?

Frankly, I don't give a toss if Scotland wants to leave

It's a money pit that get's more than its fair share of government spending
(admittedly for reasonable socially responsible reasons)

If it wants to walk away from that, more fool it IMHO

On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 08:15:31 -0000, "tim..."
wrote:
snip

Loads. To do and keep doing that you have to both consider others and
understand the rules / reasons / processes and few do, well, till they
or someone close to them catches / dies of it ... then they at least
realise what they should have been doing all along (possibly).

As always it's a selfish / ignorant minority who spoil it for everyone
else (like those flying into Heathrow then getting the train into
Scotland to avoid being locked down, putting all of us at risk).

being told that you have to follow some snake around every aisle when you
only want 1 item, is daft

Quite and no one is saying you should, when the options support
overtaking whilst maintaining social distancing etc, but when they
lean over your shoulder to get what they want while you are getting
stuff yourself, then they becomes an issue.

This is what I was saying about people not understanding or caring
(about themselves, their family members or anyone else).

The odd few times I've been in shops since lockdown (generally only
big / open places and when they were quiet) it's like being Pacman,
choosing routes that avoid the Pandemic Enthusiasts whilst still
getting what I need and getting out alive.

Cheers, T i m

On 2021-02-17, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 16/02/2021 18:06, Jim Jackson wrote:
On 2021-02-16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
When. One way or another it will happen.

If it does it will be a massive boost to England, especially if there is
a hard border so the third world starving jocks cant emigrate to England.


You really are not a nice person are you?

I am a very nice person.

But I don't think that snowflakes need protecting from the truth. I
think they should be confronted with it.

So you do that by using the verbal equivalent of a baseball bat round
the head? Very grown up.

.....snip...

On 2021-02-17, tim... wrote:

It will be very interesting to see how the leave supporters treat Scotland
if it gains independence.

and what makes you think it will be in any way other than courteously?

Have you seen the bile handed out round here? Not much courtesy shown.

On 17/02/2021 17:08, Jim Jackson wrote:
On 2021-02-17, tim... wrote:

It will be very interesting to see how the leave supporters treat Scotland
if it gains independence.

and what makes you think it will be in any way other than courteously?

Have you seen the bile handed out round here? Not much courtesy shown.

Its not bile. Its reason

If Scotland wants to leave, good luck, BUT their bile against the
English must stop and they must take full economic responsibility even
when it results in a 50% drop in living standards and people dying on
the streets. England would be under no obligation:

- to subsidise their windmills
- to subsidise their welfare
- to underwrite or guarantee their currency
- to protect their banks from total failure
- to give them access to capital at preferential rates
- to guarantee free movement of their citizens in and out of the rest of
the UK
- to allow them to work in the UK unless they complied with the 'rest of
the world' immigration requirements
- to allow them access to the NHS
- to pay them social security or pensions

The problem is that this is simply not being faced up to by the SNP. who
are simply lying to them.

All well and good you may say, but at some point the truth needs to be told

Scotland is a ****y little county of 5 million that is smaller in
importance than London or Manchester and Birmingham together.Its less
than 8% of UK population and is overall parasitic on the rest of the UK

Its got **** all natural resources, a bolshy population, a ****ty
government that couldn't run a car boot sale and a massive drug problem.

If it were an island in the Atlantic we would have encouraged it to ****
off years ago. The problem is it has a land border to England, and
unless that was made a very hard border indeed, it would export its
dross to England just as Mexico does to the USA.


The cost benefit analysis that needs to be applied is a Boris Bus one.
"Why don't we take the £3.5bn we send to Scotland every year and spend
it on sentry guns for Hadrian's wall instead?"











All te carp that et EU threatened would happen to the UK but didnt. WILL
happen to scotland


--
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On 17/02/2021 17:05, Jim Jackson wrote:
On 2021-02-17, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 16/02/2021 18:06, Jim Jackson wrote:
On 2021-02-16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
When. One way or another it will happen.

If it does it will be a massive boost to England, especially if there is
a hard border so the third world starving jocks cant emigrate to England.


You really are not a nice person are you?

I am a very nice person.

But I don't think that snowflakes need protecting from the truth. I
think they should be confronted with it.

So you do that by using the verbal equivalent of a baseball bat round
the head? Very grown up.

silly snoflake. Yes. a baseball hat around the head is about the only
thing your average SNP supporter understands



--
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign,
that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."

Jonathan Swift.

"tim..." wrote in message
...


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
tim... wrote:
Since you've already mentioned NZ, another island state, look at how
they've handled it.

NZ is not the slightest bit comparable with the UK (from a Covid pov)

It is geographically the same size as the UK with one tenth the
population

Its nearest trading partner is 2000 miles away (yes I was surprised it
was
that far too)

consequently it can close its borders and be 100% self sufficient if it
needs to be

So just to be clear. You're saying NZ contained Covid by stopping all
imports and exports, including food etc?

As far as it was possible

yes that's exactly what it did

No it is not with imports and exports.

"tim..." wrote in message
...


"Adrian" wrote in message
...
In message , Steve Walker
writes
If they are UK residents who want to have a break and return to the UK,
then there are two options. 1) they need to go straight into isolation on
returning to the UK or 2) they can show that they have not been in
contact (directly or indirectly) with people outside their crew for 10
days.


The problem seems to be two fold. The country where the ships are won't
let the crew come ashore (even to go directly to an airport), and they
won't let the replacement crew enter the country.

that's the problem of having ships registered in Liberia which they never
actually visit

I don't think this happens with ships registered in sensible places that
the ship does visit occasionally

It does actually.

We don't even allow all out nationals who are out of the
country to return without going thru quarantine for 2 weeks
locked up in quarantine hotels at their expense. And we have
very severe quotas on how many can arrive each month too.

"tim..." wrote in message
...


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
bert wrote:
Very simple. By the way they've handled this pandemic. Constantly too
little too late.

15m jabs too late?

120,000 deaths too late.

and what would you have done to get the death rate even approaching zero?

What Taiwan did very successfully indeed.

"tim..." wrote in message
...


"Jim Jackson" wrote in message
...
On 2021-02-16, bert wrote:
In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
bert wrote:
Very simple. By the way they've handled this pandemic. Constantly too
little too late.

15m jabs too late?

120,000 deaths too late.

So you think it was possible to have zero deaths. Not even China managed
that.

Who said anything about zero? That's just a stupid arguing tactic.

We are at the worse end of the country overall death rate for covid. We
can debate till the cows come home whose fault that is, or even if that
is the likely end result - remember when Italy had the worst death rate?

I said at the time. I am saying it again

the big mistake that we made was in not closing our borders to casual
visitors in March 2020

That's something that virtually ever other country in the world did

Most EU countrys didn't. The USA didn't either.

On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 08:17:43 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


As far as it was possible

yes that's exactly what it did

No it is not with imports and exports.

ROTFLOL! In auto-contradicting mode again, you CLINICALLY INSANE,
sociopathic, senile swine?

--
Kerr-Mudd,John addressing the auto-contradicting senile cretin:
"Auto-contradictor Rod is back! (in the KF)"
MID:

On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 08:24:24 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread

Keep your senile stench out of normally evolved humans' ngs, you disgusting
86-year-old senile Ozzie pest!

--
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cretin's pathological trolling:
https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/r...d-faq.2973853/

On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 08:27:28 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


That's something that virtually ever other country in the world did

Most EU countrys didn't. The USA didn't either.

In auto-contradicting mode again, you clinically insane trolling senile
cretin?

--
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Rod Speed is an entirely modern phenomenon. Essentially, Rod Speed
is an insecure and worthless individual who has discovered he can
enhance his own self-esteem in his own eyes by playing "the big, hard
man" on the InterNet."
https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/r...d-faq.2973853/

In article ,
bert wrote:
In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
bert wrote:
Very simple. By the way they've handled this pandemic. Constantly too
little too late.

15m jabs too late?

120,000 deaths too late.

So you think it was possible to have zero deaths. Not even China managed
that.

Good ol' bert. Can always be relied on to talk ****e.

--
*Why is the third hand on the watch called a second hand?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
On 16 Feb 2021 at 20:33:30 GMT, bert wrote:

In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
bert wrote:
Very simple. By the way they've handled this pandemic. Constantly too
little too late.

15m jabs too late?

120,000 deaths too late.

So you think it was possible to have zero deaths. Not even China managed
that.

That's because he is a stupid fool.

Good ol' Timmy. Defending his party to the bitter end. Perhaps if one of
the 120,000 was close to him, he might not be so happy. But I doubt it.

--
*I didn't say it was your fault, I said I was blaming you.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
tim... wrote:


"Jim Jackson" wrote in message
...
On 2021-02-16, bert wrote:
In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
bert wrote:
Very simple. By the way they've handled this pandemic. Constantly too
little too late.

15m jabs too late?

120,000 deaths too late.

So you think it was possible to have zero deaths. Not even China managed
that.

Who said anything about zero? That's just a stupid arguing tactic.

We are at the worse end of the country overall death rate for covid. We
can debate till the cows come home whose fault that is, or even if that
is the likely end result - remember when Italy had the worst death rate?

I said at the time. I am saying it again

the big mistake that we made was in not closing our borders to casual
visitors in March 2020

That, and not clamping down hard when it became obvious there was going to
be a second peak, and towards the winter, when it would hit harder.
Sensible measures then could have save getting on for half the total
deaths - and not put the NHS under such strain again, with all the knock
ons from that.

That's something that virtually ever other country in the world did



--
*Be nice to your kids. They'll choose your nursing home.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
tim... wrote:
Frankly, I don't give a toss if Scotland wants to leave

It's a money pit that get's more than its fair share of government
spending (admittedly for reasonable socially responsible reasons)

If it wants to walk away from that, more fool it IMHO

I totally agree. Time the SE of England was independent, given it
subsidises the rest of the country. Could rename it Monaco on Thames.

--
*A bartender is just a pharmacist with a limited inventory *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 08:06:48 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 16/02/2021 20:36, bert wrote:
In article , T i m
writes
On 15 Feb 2021 18:16:48 GMT, Tim Streater
wrote:

On 15 Feb 2021 at 18:04:21 GMT, George Miles
wrote:

they know the lies of £350 milllion saved for the NHS ,

Oh is this a lie? Do tell me in what way. I'm keen to know.

I appreciate you are only a goblin and really don't understand all
this human stuff but we have *NEVER* paid £350M/w to the EU EVER,
because a discount was agreed (the UK wanting to have special
treatment again) and so we only *ever* paid the sum after discount.

And even if the net sum was that it 'cost' us being in the EU, that's
part of the deal, that all those who can help those who can't so they
can become stronger themselves (and it's working).

And even if it was the case there is nothing in writing to say that
this '£350 million / week' would *EVER* be given to the NHS *instead*.
Exactly, so for remoaners to say it was promised is indeed a lie.

The whole remoan campaign is turning out to be a lie.

Another one whooshed (not difficult with burk / Spuke / Turnip).

'Nothing in writing about the EU monies going to the NHS instead, but
writ large on the side of a bus. You either accept that it was a lie
or that is was disingenuous to make such a bogus statement on the side
of a bus.

So, it's 'politics' and 'they all lie', then at least that is an
acceptance of the farce of the whole so call 'democracy' where whoever
can make the most outrageous but believable (by enough the great
unwashed) statement, 'wins'.

There was no real remain campaign because 'remaining' is what we were
already doing so few saw a need to campaign / vote for it.

As we finally understand what we have escaped from.

You have no idea what a minority of the population of the UK have
dragged the rest into yet. All you know is you have taken away our
voice when it comes to one of our biggest trading partners

It's pretty sad that the best we can hope for is that leaving the EU
doesn't make things worse.

Cheers, T i m

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...


"tim..." wrote in message
...


"Adrian" wrote in message
...
In message , Steve Walker
writes
If they are UK residents who want to have a break and return to the UK,
then there are two options. 1) they need to go straight into isolation
on returning to the UK or 2) they can show that they have not been in
contact (directly or indirectly) with people outside their crew for 10
days.


The problem seems to be two fold. The country where the ships are won't
let the crew come ashore (even to go directly to an airport), and they
won't let the replacement crew enter the country.

that's the problem of having ships registered in Liberia which they never
actually visit

I don't think this happens with ships registered in sensible places that
the ship does visit occasionally

It does actually.

We don't even allow all out nationals who are out of the
country to return without going thru quarantine for 2 weeks
locked up in quarantine hotels at their expense. And we have
very severe quotas on how many can arrive each month too.

imposing a quarantine is not the same as saying "you're not allowed off the
ship at all "

is it

On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 17:05:03 -0000 (UTC), Jim Jackson
wrote:

On 2021-02-17, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 16/02/2021 18:06, Jim Jackson wrote:
On 2021-02-16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
When. One way or another it will happen.

If it does it will be a massive boost to England, especially if there is
a hard border so the third world starving jocks cant emigrate to England.


You really are not a nice person are you?

I am a very nice person.

But I don't think that snowflakes need protecting from the truth. I
think they should be confronted with it.

So you do that by using the verbal equivalent of a baseball bat round
the head? Very grown up.

....snip...

This is where Turnip has difficulty differentiating what he thinks
with fact, as is the way with left brainers. Because he's on his own,
he doesn't have anyone to pull him back from his more extreme
behaviour, hence we see what we see.

He's not passionate because he's protecting anyone else, he's arrogant
and opinionated *because* he has little compassion or empathy.

Cheers, T i m

On 2021-02-17, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 17/02/2021 17:08, Jim Jackson wrote:
On 2021-02-17, tim... wrote:

It will be very interesting to see how the leave supporters treat Scotland
if it gains independence.

and what makes you think it will be in any way other than courteously?

Have you seen the bile handed out round here? Not much courtesy shown.

Its not bile. Its reason

biliously expressed!

On 2021-02-17, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 17/02/2021 17:05, Jim Jackson wrote:
On 2021-02-17, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 16/02/2021 18:06, Jim Jackson wrote:
On 2021-02-16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
When. One way or another it will happen.

If it does it will be a massive boost to England, especially if there is
a hard border so the third world starving jocks cant emigrate to England.


You really are not a nice person are you?

I am a very nice person.

But I don't think that snowflakes need protecting from the truth. I
think they should be confronted with it.

So you do that by using the verbal equivalent of a baseball bat round
the head? Very grown up.

silly snoflake. Yes. a baseball hat around the head is about the only
thing your average SNP supporter understands

You seem to conflate things - I was making a third person comment on the
way you express yourself which reflects on your personality.

As I said before you are really not a very nice person, and have simply
confirmed it.

On 18/02/2021 14:48, Jim Jackson wrote:
On 2021-02-17, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 17/02/2021 17:05, Jim Jackson wrote:
On 2021-02-17, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 16/02/2021 18:06, Jim Jackson wrote:
On 2021-02-16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
When. One way or another it will happen.

If it does it will be a massive boost to England, especially if there is
a hard border so the third world starving jocks cant emigrate to England.


You really are not a nice person are you?

I am a very nice person.

But I don't think that snowflakes need protecting from the truth. I
think they should be confronted with it.

So you do that by using the verbal equivalent of a baseball bat round
the head? Very grown up.

silly snoflake. Yes. a baseball hat around the head is about the only
thing your average SNP supporter understands

You seem to conflate things - I was making a third person comment on the
way you express yourself which reflects on your personality.

As I said before you are really not a very nice person, and have simply
confirmed it.

Might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb.

I've been a fabulously nice person nearly all my life and it got me nowhere.

Sometimes you need someone who calls a spade a spade, online.

Let's say its a persona to counter political correctness (which is
simply a way of making a virtue out of being an unpleasant ****)




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Its easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.
Mark Twain

"tim..." wrote in message
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"Adrian" wrote in message
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In message , Steve Walker
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If they are UK residents who want to have a break and return to the UK,
then there are two options. 1) they need to go straight into isolation
on returning to the UK or 2) they can show that they have not been in
contact (directly or indirectly) with people outside their crew for 10
days.


The problem seems to be two fold. The country where the ships are
won't let the crew come ashore (even to go directly to an airport), and
they won't let the replacement crew enter the country.

that's the problem of having ships registered in Liberia which they
never actually visit

I don't think this happens with ships registered in sensible places that
the ship does visit occasionally

It does actually.

We don't even allow all out nationals who are out of the
country to return without going thru quarantine for 2 weeks
locked up in quarantine hotels at their expense. And we have
very severe quotas on how many can arrive each month too.

imposing a quarantine is not the same as saying "you're not allowed off
the ship at all "

is it

Its quarantine on the ship, stupid.

On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 03:00:15 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the trolling senile pest's latest troll**** unread

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"You are now exposed as a liar, as well as an ignorant troll."
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On 2021-02-18, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
silly snoflake. Yes. a baseball hat around the head is about the only
thing your average SNP supporter understands

You seem to conflate things - I was making a third person comment on the
way you express yourself which reflects on your personality.

As I said before you are really not a very nice person, and have simply
confirmed it.

Might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb.

I've been a fabulously nice person nearly all my life and it got me nowhere.

Sometimes you need someone who calls a spade a spade, online.

Let's say its a persona to counter political correctness (which is
simply a way of making a virtue out of being an unpleasant ****)

There is an observation that it takes one to know one.

On 18/02/2021 18:36, Jim Jackson wrote:
On 2021-02-18, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
silly snoflake. Yes. a baseball hat around the head is about the only
thing your average SNP supporter understands

You seem to conflate things - I was making a third person comment on the
way you express yourself which reflects on your personality.

As I said before you are really not a very nice person, and have simply
confirmed it.

Might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb.

I've been a fabulously nice person nearly all my life and it got me nowhere.

Sometimes you need someone who calls a spade a spade, online.

Let's say its a persona to counter political correctness (which is
simply a way of making a virtue out of being an unpleasant ****)

There is an observation that it takes one to know one.

which is of course utter bollox.


--
€œI know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the
greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most
obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of
conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which
they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by
thread, into the fabric of their lives.€�

ۥ Leo Tolstoy

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
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"tim..." wrote in message
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"Rod Speed" wrote in message
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"tim..." wrote in message
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"Adrian" wrote in message
...
In message , Steve Walker
writes
If they are UK residents who want to have a break and return to the
UK, then there are two options. 1) they need to go straight into
isolation on returning to the UK or 2) they can show that they have
not been in contact (directly or indirectly) with people outside their
crew for 10 days.


The problem seems to be two fold. The country where the ships are
won't let the crew come ashore (even to go directly to an airport),
and they won't let the replacement crew enter the country.

that's the problem of having ships registered in Liberia which they
never actually visit

I don't think this happens with ships registered in sensible places
that the ship does visit occasionally

It does actually.

We don't even allow all out nationals who are out of the
country to return without going thru quarantine for 2 weeks
locked up in quarantine hotels at their expense. And we have
very severe quotas on how many can arrive each month too.

imposing a quarantine is not the same as saying "you're not allowed off
the ship at all "

is it

Its quarantine on the ship, stupid.

but that's not the same meaning, is it

the "normal" quarantine (for Covid) is for 10/14 days and you can't leave
before then

whereas being told to remain on the ship means that you can leave when the
ship leaves, even if that's only 2 days later

On 19/02/2021 11:25, tim... wrote:


"Rod Speed" wrote in message
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"tim..." wrote in message
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"Rod Speed" wrote in message
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"tim..." wrote in message
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"Adrian" wrote in message
...
In message , Steve Walker
writes
If they are UK residents who want to have a break and return to
the UK, then there are two options. 1) they need to go straight
into isolation on returning to the UK or 2) they can show that
they have not been in contact (directly or indirectly) with
people outside their crew for 10 days.


The problem seems to be two fold.Â* The country where the ships are
won't let the crew come ashore (even to go directly to an
airport), and they won't let the replacement crew enter the country.

that's the problem of having ships registered in Liberia which they
never actually visit

I don't think this happens with ships registered in sensible places
that the ship does visit occasionally

It does actually.

We don't even allow all out nationals who are out of the
country to return without going thru quarantine for 2 weeks
locked up in quarantine hotels at their expense. And we have
very severe quotas on how many can arrive each month too.

imposing a quarantine is not the same as saying "you're not allowed
off the ship at all "

is it

Its quarantine on the ship, stupid.

but that's not the same meaning, is it

the "normal" quarantine (for Covid) is for 10/14 days and you can't
leave before then

whereas being told to remain on the ship means that you can leave when
the ship leaves, even if that's only 2 days later

As long as you are going with the ship, what's the problem there?

"tim..." wrote in message
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"Rod Speed" wrote in message
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"tim..." wrote in message
...


"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...


"tim..." wrote in message
...


"Adrian" wrote in message
...
In message , Steve Walker
writes
If they are UK residents who want to have a break and return to the
UK, then there are two options. 1) they need to go straight into
isolation on returning to the UK or 2) they can show that they have
not been in contact (directly or indirectly) with people outside
their crew for 10 days.


The problem seems to be two fold. The country where the ships are
won't let the crew come ashore (even to go directly to an airport),
and they won't let the replacement crew enter the country.

that's the problem of having ships registered in Liberia which they
never actually visit

I don't think this happens with ships registered in sensible places
that the ship does visit occasionally

It does actually.

We don't even allow all out nationals who are out of the
country to return without going thru quarantine for 2 weeks
locked up in quarantine hotels at their expense. And we have
very severe quotas on how many can arrive each month too.

imposing a quarantine is not the same as saying "you're not allowed off
the ship at all "

is it

Its quarantine on the ship, stupid.

but that's not the same meaning, is it

Same result tho removing the risk of infecting those in the visited country.

the "normal" quarantine (for Covid) is for 10/14 days and you can't leave
before then

whereas being told to remain on the ship means that you can leave when the
ship leaves, even if that's only 2 days later

Duh.