"We currently have no available shipping methods" With a bloc we havce a
free trade deal with.

Ordered them from Hong Kong instead. No problem although we don't have a
free trade deal with China...

The EU are behaving like sulky teenagers aren't they?

We are being treated worse than any other independent country.

Financial equivalence from te Telegraph..

"Mr Bailey said: "It would be reasonable to think that a common
framework of global standards combined with the common basis of the
rules €“ since the UK transposed EU rules from the outset €“ would be
enough to base equivalence on global standards. Less than this was
enough when Canada, the US, Australia, Hong Kong and Brazil were all
deemed equivalent.

"The EU has argued it must better understand how the UK intends to amend
or alter the rules going forward. This is a standard that the EU holds
*no other country to* and would, I suspect, not agree to be held to itself."

This stance only made sense, Mr Bailey said, if rules were either not
allowed to change €“ which the Bank chief called "unrealistic, dangerous
and inconsistent with practice" €“ or if Britain had to obtain Brussels'
permission to change the rules, which "is not acceptable".

The Governor said he did not want "a low regulation, high-risk, anything
goes financial centre and system", but that it was important rules could
be improved.

British regulations could be changed to free small, UK-only banks from
rules designed for international lenders, he said, something which is
common practice in the US and Switzerland, which are still deemed to be
equivalent by the EU.

Whitehall sources said that Mr Gove was expected to stress the need for
"urgent progress" on Northern Ireland, and for the EU to recognise the
problems being felt by businesses and people living in the region.

'A world in which the EU dictates what rules and standards we have in
the UK is not going to work' "


The EU has declared war on us hasn't it?
That's how scared they are that other nations will follow us.


--
Of what good are dead warriors? €¦ Warriors are those who desire battle
more than peace. Those who seek battle despite peace. Those who thump
their spears on the ground and talk of honor. Those who leap high the
battle dance and dream of glory €¦ The good of dead warriors, Mother, is
that they are dead.
Sheri S Tepper: The Awakeners.

On 11/02/2021 11:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

"We currently have no available shipping methods" With a bloc we have a
free trade deal with.

Ordered them from Hong Kong instead. No problem although we don't have a
free trade deal with China...

The EU are behaving like sulky teenagers aren't they?

We are being treated worse than any other independent country.

Financial equivalence from the Telegraph..

"Mr Bailey said: "It would be reasonable to think that a common
framework of global standards combined with the common basis of the
rules €“ since the UK transposed EU rules from the outset €“ would be
enough to base equivalence on global standards. Less than this was
enough when Canada, the US, Australia, Hong Kong and Brazil were all
deemed equivalent.

"The EU has argued it must better understand how the UK intends to amend
or alter the rules going forward. This is a standard that the EU holds
*no other country to* and would, I suspect, not agree to be held to itself."

This stance only made sense, Mr Bailey said, if rules were either not
allowed to change €“ which the Bank chief called "unrealistic, dangerous
and inconsistent with practice" €“ or if Britain had to obtain Brussels'
permission to change the rules, which "is not acceptable".

The Governor said he did not want "a low regulation, high-risk, anything
goes financial centre and system", but that it was important rules could
be improved.

British regulations could be changed to free small, UK-only banks from
rules designed for international lenders, he said, something which is
common practice in the US and Switzerland, which are still deemed to be
equivalent by the EU.

Whitehall sources said that Mr Gove was expected to stress the need for
"urgent progress" on Northern Ireland, and for the EU to recognise the
problems being felt by businesses and people living in the region.

'A world in which the EU dictates what rules and standards we have in
the UK is not going to work' "

The EU has declared war on us hasn't it?
That's how scared they are that other nations will follow us.

Don't forget that that nice, amiable Jean-Claude Juncker, who at the
time was General Secretary and Head of the EU Supreme Soviet, said "If
you leave, we will hurt you".

We are now seeing this in action. Expect more of the same.

I hope that the UK government realises that the only way to deal with
threats from the General Secretaries, Kommissars, and Apparatchiks is
with superior force, otherwise there's going to be some form of Prague
Spring from the EUSSR - although not using military force, that would
look just too crude.

--
Spike

On 11/02/2021 11:47, Spike wrote:

snip

Don't forget that that nice, amiable Jean-Claude Juncker, who at the
time was General Secretary and Head of the EU Supreme Soviet, said "If
you leave, we will hurt you".

When did he actually say this? Can you provide a cite?

On 11/02/2021 13:34, Fredxx wrote:
On 11/02/2021 11:47, Spike wrote:

snip

Don't forget that that nice, amiable Jean-Claude Juncker, who at the
time was General Secretary and Head of the EU Supreme Soviet, said "If
you leave, we will hurt you".

When did he actually say this? Can you provide a cite?

My recollection is that Juncker was shown making the remark in a TV news
report aired before the 2016 Referendum. I was struck at the time by the
demonstration of the EUSSR's line of thought, and have since been mildly
surprised that there appears little mention of it on the interweb.

--
Spike

In article ,
Spike wrote:
On 11/02/2021 13:34, Fredxx wrote:
On 11/02/2021 11:47, Spike wrote:

snip

Don't forget that that nice, amiable Jean-Claude Juncker, who at the
time was General Secretary and Head of the EU Supreme Soviet, said "If
you leave, we will hurt you".

When did he actually say this? Can you provide a cite?

My recollection is that Juncker was shown making the remark in a TV news
report aired before the 2016 Referendum. I was struck at the time by the
demonstration of the EUSSR's line of thought, and have since been mildly
surprised that there appears little mention of it on the interweb.

To balance things up you might quote some of the more outrageous things
said by Farage and BoJo about the EU and consequences of us leaving? Fat
chance of that.

--
*There are two kinds of pedestrians... the quick and the dead.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 12/02/2021 15:18, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Spike wrote:
On 11/02/2021 13:34, Fredxx wrote:
On 11/02/2021 11:47, Spike wrote:

snip

Don't forget that that nice, amiable Jean-Claude Juncker, who at the
time was General Secretary and Head of the EU Supreme Soviet, said "If
you leave, we will hurt you".

When did he actually say this? Can you provide a cite?

My recollection is that Juncker was shown making the remark in a TV news
report aired before the 2016 Referendum. I was struck at the time by the
demonstration of the EUSSR's line of thought, and have since been mildly
surprised that there appears little mention of it on the interweb.

To balance things up you might quote some of the more outrageous things
said by Farage and BoJo about the EU and consequences of us leaving? Fat
chance of that.

Why the reply? I also remember some outrageous statements by some
established remainers?

I recall the atmosphere of revenge with us leaving. I was hoping Spike
might have provided some evidence that created this atmosphere.

On 11/02/2021 11:47, Spike wrote:
On 11/02/2021 11:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

"We currently have no available shipping methods" With a bloc we have a
free trade deal with.

Ordered them from Hong Kong instead. No problem although we don't have a
free trade deal with China...

The EU are behaving like sulky teenagers aren't they?

We are being treated worse than any other independent country.

Financial equivalence from the Telegraph..

"Mr Bailey said: "It would be reasonable to think that a common
framework of global standards combined with the common basis of the
rules €“ since the UK transposed EU rules from the outset €“ would be
enough to base equivalence on global standards. Less than this was
enough when Canada, the US, Australia, Hong Kong and Brazil were all
deemed equivalent.

"The EU has argued it must better understand how the UK intends to amend
or alter the rules going forward. This is a standard that the EU holds
*no other country to* and would, I suspect, not agree to be held to itself."

This stance only made sense, Mr Bailey said, if rules were either not
allowed to change €“ which the Bank chief called "unrealistic, dangerous
and inconsistent with practice" €“ or if Britain had to obtain Brussels'
permission to change the rules, which "is not acceptable".

The Governor said he did not want "a low regulation, high-risk, anything
goes financial centre and system", but that it was important rules could
be improved.

British regulations could be changed to free small, UK-only banks from
rules designed for international lenders, he said, something which is
common practice in the US and Switzerland, which are still deemed to be
equivalent by the EU.

Whitehall sources said that Mr Gove was expected to stress the need for
"urgent progress" on Northern Ireland, and for the EU to recognise the
problems being felt by businesses and people living in the region.

'A world in which the EU dictates what rules and standards we have in
the UK is not going to work' "

The EU has declared war on us hasn't it?
That's how scared they are that other nations will follow us.

Don't forget that that nice, amiable Jean-Claude Juncker, who at the
time was General Secretary and Head of the EU Supreme Soviet, said "If
you leave, we will hurt you".

We are now seeing this in action. Expect more of the same.

I hope that the UK government realises that the only way to deal with
threats from the General Secretaries, Kommissars, and Apparatchiks is
with superior force, otherwise there's going to be some form of Prague
Spring from the EUSSR - although not using military force, that would
look just too crude.

Its amazing how scared the EU are to break international law and treat
Britain deliberately worse than any other independent country.

They have effectively declared war.

This will not end well for them



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No Apple devices were knowingly used in the preparation of this post.

On 11/02/2021 15:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 11/02/2021 11:47, Spike wrote:
On 11/02/2021 11:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

"We currently have no available shipping methods" With a bloc we have a
free trade deal with.

Ordered them from Hong Kong instead. No problem although we don't have a
free trade deal with China...

The EU are behaving like sulky teenagers aren't they?

We are being treated worse than any other independent country.

Financial equivalence from the Telegraph..

"Mr Bailey said: "It would be reasonable to think that a common
framework of global standards combined with the common basis of the
rules €“ since the UK transposed EU rules from the outset €“ would be
enough to base equivalence on global standards. Less than this was
enough when Canada, the US, Australia, Hong Kong and Brazil were all
deemed equivalent.

"The EU has argued it must better understand how the UK intends to amend
or alter the rules going forward. This is a standard that the EU holds
*no other country to* and would, I suspect, not agree to be held to itself."

This stance only made sense, Mr Bailey said, if rules were either not
allowed to change €“ which the Bank chief called "unrealistic, dangerous
and inconsistent with practice" €“ or if Britain had to obtain Brussels'
permission to change the rules, which "is not acceptable".

The Governor said he did not want "a low regulation, high-risk, anything
goes financial centre and system", but that it was important rules could
be improved.

British regulations could be changed to free small, UK-only banks from
rules designed for international lenders, he said, something which is
common practice in the US and Switzerland, which are still deemed to be
equivalent by the EU.

Whitehall sources said that Mr Gove was expected to stress the need for
"urgent progress" on Northern Ireland, and for the EU to recognise the
problems being felt by businesses and people living in the region.

'A world in which the EU dictates what rules and standards we have in
the UK is not going to work' "

The EU has declared war on us hasn't it?
That's how scared they are that other nations will follow us.

Don't forget that that nice, amiable Jean-Claude Juncker, who at the
time was General Secretary and Head of the EU Supreme Soviet, said "If
you leave, we will hurt you".

We are now seeing this in action. Expect more of the same.

I hope that the UK government realises that the only way to deal with
threats from the General Secretaries, Kommissars, and Apparatchiks is
with superior force, otherwise there's going to be some form of Prague
Spring from the EUSSR - although not using military force, that would
look just too crude.

Its amazing how scared the EU are to break international law and treat
Britain deliberately worse than any other independent country.

They have effectively declared war. This will not end well for them

Unfortunately, we don't seem to have a Bert Harris to hand. but his
quotation made all those years ago might still apply..."They have sown
the wind, they shall reap the whirlwind".

--
Spike

On 11/02/2021 16:25, Spike wrote:
On 11/02/2021 15:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 11/02/2021 11:47, Spike wrote:
On 11/02/2021 11:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

"We currently have no available shipping methods" With a bloc we have a
free trade deal with.

Ordered them from Hong Kong instead. No problem although we don't have a
free trade deal with China...

The EU are behaving like sulky teenagers aren't they?

We are being treated worse than any other independent country.

Financial equivalence from the Telegraph..

"Mr Bailey said: "It would be reasonable to think that a common
framework of global standards combined with the common basis of the
rules €“ since the UK transposed EU rules from the outset €“ would be
enough to base equivalence on global standards. Less than this was
enough when Canada, the US, Australia, Hong Kong and Brazil were all
deemed equivalent.

"The EU has argued it must better understand how the UK intends to amend
or alter the rules going forward. This is a standard that the EU holds
*no other country to* and would, I suspect, not agree to be held to itself."

This stance only made sense, Mr Bailey said, if rules were either not
allowed to change €“ which the Bank chief called "unrealistic, dangerous
and inconsistent with practice" €“ or if Britain had to obtain Brussels'
permission to change the rules, which "is not acceptable".

The Governor said he did not want "a low regulation, high-risk, anything
goes financial centre and system", but that it was important rules could
be improved.

British regulations could be changed to free small, UK-only banks from
rules designed for international lenders, he said, something which is
common practice in the US and Switzerland, which are still deemed to be
equivalent by the EU.

Whitehall sources said that Mr Gove was expected to stress the need for
"urgent progress" on Northern Ireland, and for the EU to recognise the
problems being felt by businesses and people living in the region.

'A world in which the EU dictates what rules and standards we have in
the UK is not going to work' "

The EU has declared war on us hasn't it?
That's how scared they are that other nations will follow us.

Don't forget that that nice, amiable Jean-Claude Juncker, who at the
time was General Secretary and Head of the EU Supreme Soviet, said "If
you leave, we will hurt you".

We are now seeing this in action. Expect more of the same.

I hope that the UK government realises that the only way to deal with
threats from the General Secretaries, Kommissars, and Apparatchiks is
with superior force, otherwise there's going to be some form of Prague
Spring from the EUSSR - although not using military force, that would
look just too crude.

Its amazing how scared the EU are to break international law and treat
Britain deliberately worse than any other independent country.

They have effectively declared war. This will not end well for them

Unfortunately, we don't seem to have a Bert Harris to hand. but his
quotation made all those years ago might still apply..."They have sown
the wind, they shall reap the whirlwind".

I think so. They want to break their own rules to attract financial
services and expect us to stick to them

Well we may just decide to follow their example.


--
"Anyone who believes that the laws of physics are mere social
conventions is invited to try transgressing those conventions from the
windows of my apartment. (I live on the twenty-first floor.) "

Alan Sokal

Spike wrote:
Don't forget that that nice, amiable Jean-Claude Juncker, who at the
time was General Secretary and Head of the EU Supreme Soviet, said "If
you leave, we will hurt you".
We are now seeing this in action. Expect more of the same.

Jean-Claude Juncker (b. 1954) served as President of the
European Commission from 2014-19 & as the 23rd PM of Luxembourg
1995-2013. He was also the Minister for Finances from 1989-2009.
By the time he left office, he was the longest-serving head
of any national govt in the EU and one of the longest-serving
democratically elected leaders in the world, with his tenure
encompassing the height of the European financial and sovereign
debt crisis. From 2005-13, he served as the first permanent
President of the Eurogroup.

His father, Joseph, was a steel worker and Christian trade
unionist who was forcibly conscripted into the German Wehrmacht,
following the Nazi occupation. Juncker has often remarked that
the horrors of war he heard from his father's experiences had
a profound influence in shaping his views on the need for
European reconciliation and integration. His mother was born
Marguerite Hecker. He studied at the Roman Catholic "école
apostolique", before returning to Luxembourg to study for his
Baccalaureate at the Lycée Michel Rodange. He joined the
Christian Social People's Party in 1974. He studied law at the
Univ of Strasbourg, graduating with a master's in 1979; although
he was sworn into the Luxembourg Bar Council in 1980, he never
practised as a lawyer.

Juncker was one of 12 children in a large household where money
was tight. His father was heavily wounded during his service at
the Eastern Front in Russia, which left him visibly scared.
Throughout his life Joseph Juncker was also as a member in the
Christian Labour union, he took his son to several union and
party meetings, which made an impact on his son political views
already in his early days. Coming from a poor family, it was a
key aspect of his political ideology to fight social inequalities,
strive for equal opportunities and fairness amongst all people.
He had to learn from a quite young age, that saving money is a
valuable asset. This skill of economizing assets came in handy
in his later position as minister of finance.

Shortly before the 1989 election Juncker was seriously injured
in a road accident, spending two weeks in a coma. He has stated
that the accident has caused him difficulty with balancing since.

In early Nov 2014, just days after becoming head of the Commission,
Juncker was hit by media disclosures€”derived from a document leak
known as LuxLeaks€”that Luxembourg under his premiership had turned
into a major European centre of corporate tax avoidance.

During his tenure, Juncker also oversaw the 2014 opening of
the Luxembourg Freeport, which former German Member of Euro
Parliament Wolf Klinz dubbed "fertile ground for money laundering
and tax evasion". In Mar 2015, Juncker called for the formation of
a European army, because "a common army among the Europeans would
convey to Russia that we are serious about defending the values
of the EU".

In August 2016, Juncker received criticism over his remarks on
immigration at the European Forum Alpbach in Austria. During his
speech, Juncker, a supporter of Angela Merkel's open door response
to the European migrant crisis, made news by telling the audience
that "borders are the worst invention ever made by politicians".

Upon hearing the news of Cuban leader Fidel Castro's death in
Dec 2016, Juncker said, "With the death of Fidel Castro, the
world has lost a man who was a hero for many."

On 4 May 2018, Juncker attended and spoke at an event commemorating
Karl Marx's 200th birthday. Critics accused Juncker of insulting
the victims of communism.

Juncker suffers from sciatica attacks following a 1989 car
accident, which cause him occasional unsteadiness while walking.
A video of Juncker stumbling and receiving assistance from several
EU politicians at a NATO leaders' event in July 2018 prompted
comments about his health, though his spokesman dismissed the concerns.

Speculations about alcoholism surrounded Juncker for several years
and have been discussed by several high-profile EU politicians.
In 2014, Jeroen Dijsselbloem, at the time Dutch Minister of
Finance, described Juncker in an interview as a "heavy smoker
and drinker", but later apologized for his comments. Juncker
himself has always denied these allegations in interviews.

In article ,
Spike wrote:
Don't forget that that nice, amiable Jean-Claude Juncker, who at the
time was General Secretary and Head of the EU Supreme Soviet, said "If
you leave, we will hurt you".

We are now seeing this in action. Expect more of the same.

Don't know why they bother. BoJo and pals are perfectly capable of
bringing this country to its knees without help from the EU.

--
*Geeks shall inherit the earth *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 12/02/2021 15:07, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Spike wrote:
Don't forget that that nice, amiable Jean-Claude Juncker, who at the
time was General Secretary and Head of the EU Supreme Soviet, said "If
you leave, we will hurt you".

We are now seeing this in action. Expect more of the same.

Don't know why they bother. BoJo and pals are perfectly capable of
bringing this country to its knees without help from the EU.

They have nothing on the destruction from Corbyn if he ever got into No 10.

In article ,
Fredxx wrote:
On 12/02/2021 15:07, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Spike wrote:
Don't forget that that nice, amiable Jean-Claude Juncker, who at the
time was General Secretary and Head of the EU Supreme Soviet, said "If
you leave, we will hurt you".

We are now seeing this in action. Expect more of the same.

Don't know why they bother. BoJo and pals are perfectly capable of
bringing this country to its knees without help from the EU.

They have nothing on the destruction from Corbyn if he ever got into No 10.

Perhaps you'd give us the benefit of your thoughts on a scenario where
that could happen? A HofC jolly to foreign parts filling a 747 which
crashed with everyone killed? Or even something more ridiculous?

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 13/02/2021 00:46, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Fredxx wrote:
On 12/02/2021 15:07, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Spike wrote:
Don't forget that that nice, amiable Jean-Claude Juncker, who at the
time was General Secretary and Head of the EU Supreme Soviet, said "If
you leave, we will hurt you".

We are now seeing this in action. Expect more of the same.

Don't know why they bother. BoJo and pals are perfectly capable of
bringing this country to its knees without help from the EU.

They have nothing on the destruction from Corbyn if he ever got into No 10.

Perhaps you'd give us the benefit of your thoughts on a scenario where
that could happen? A HofC jolly to foreign parts filling a 747 which
crashed with everyone killed? Or even something more ridiculous?

I doubt it ever will, given he's now been replaced.

The issue is why you would think "BoJo and pals are perfectly capable of
bringing this country to its knees without help from the EU", not that
it's very likely, vs why you believe that Corbyn wouldn't make a greater
mess assuming there is one?

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Fredxx wrote:
On 12/02/2021 15:07, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Spike wrote:
Don't forget that that nice, amiable Jean-Claude Juncker, who at the
time was General Secretary and Head of the EU Supreme Soviet, said "If
you leave, we will hurt you".

We are now seeing this in action. Expect more of the same.

Don't know why they bother. BoJo and pals are perfectly capable of
bringing this country to its knees without help from the EU.

They have nothing on the destruction from Corbyn if he ever got into No
10.

Perhaps you'd give us the benefit of your thoughts on a scenario where
that could happen?

A renationalisation of almost everything.

The Natural Philosopher was thinking very hard :
The EU has declared war on us hasn't it?

Yep!

That's how scared they are that other nations will follow us.

Simple solution - everyone follows us out of the EU.

On 11/02/2021 11:48, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
The Natural Philosopher was thinking very hard :
The EU has declared war on us hasn't it?

Yep!

That's how scared they are that other nations will follow us.

Simple solution - everyone follows us out of the EU.

The Swiss have already done a deal on financials


--
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign,
that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."

Jonathan Swift.

On 11 Feb 2021 at 11:33:24, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The EU has declared war on us hasn't it?
That's how scared they are that other nations will follow us.


It's what you voted for. Own it.

On 11/02/2021 11:49, Bob Martin wrote:
On 11 Feb 2021 at 11:33:24, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The EU has declared war on us hasn't it?
That's how scared they are that other nations will follow us.


It's what you voted for. Own it.


Sure. I am just surprised at how petty, vindictive, scared and
psychopathic the EU has shown itself to be. They are a serious danger to
Europe.

As their COVID cockups are demonstrating


--
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign,
that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."

Jonathan Swift.

In article ,
Bob Martin wrote:
On 11 Feb 2021 at 11:33:24, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The EU has declared war on us hasn't it?
That's how scared they are that other nations will follow us.


It's what you voted for. Own it.

Not so. They voted for what they were promised by Farage and BoJo, etc.
And when those promises haven't materialised the last ones they'll blame
is those who made those promises. Because that would admit to being conned.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 12/02/2021 15:09, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Bob Martin wrote:
On 11 Feb 2021 at 11:33:24, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The EU has declared war on us hasn't it?
That's how scared they are that other nations will follow us.


It's what you voted for. Own it.

Not so. They voted for what they were promised by Farage and BoJo, etc.
And when those promises haven't materialised the last ones they'll blame
is those who made those promises. Because that would admit to being conned.

I thought we were conned into believing Armageddon and economic meltdown.

Anything else can only be good news.

On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 21:16:09 +0000, Fredxx wrote:

I thought we were conned into believing Armageddon and economic
meltdown.

WE are only 7 weeks in.



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On 12/02/2021 22:22, Bob Eager wrote:
On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 21:16:09 +0000, Fredxx wrote:

I thought we were conned into believing Armageddon and economic
meltdown.

WE are only 7 weeks in.

There are two sides to that!

If leavers were right, things will settle down in time and the country
will do fine.

If remainers were right it'll get worse.

In either case, it's too early to tell.

On 12/02/2021 22:22, Bob Eager wrote:
On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 21:16:09 +0000, Fredxx wrote:

I thought we were conned into believing Armageddon and economic
meltdown.

WE are only 7 weeks in.
We were promised that immediately after the vote, not when we actiually
left.

On 12 Feb 2021 21:25:56 GMT, Tim Streater
wrote:

On 12 Feb 2021 at 15:09:43 GMT, "Dave Plowman News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Bob Martin wrote:
On 11 Feb 2021 at 11:33:24, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The EU has declared war on us hasn't it?
That's how scared they are that other nations will follow us.


It's what you voted for. Own it.

Not so. They voted for what they were promised by Farage and BoJo, etc.

Your usual ********. I'd made my decision about our needing to leave the EU
****show by no loater than 2005 or so.

Yup, and you would be one of a tiny minority who had any opinion on it
(our membership of the EU) at all.

And your 'opinion' is based on a very tiny facet of the bigger
picture.

Dealing with that facet could well cost all of us way more than your
idealism will ever (hope to) resolve.

Well done you.

Cheers, T i m

On 12/02/2021 22:25, T i m wrote:
On 12 Feb 2021 21:25:56 GMT, Tim Streater
wrote:

On 12 Feb 2021 at 15:09:43 GMT, "Dave Plowman News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Bob Martin wrote:
On 11 Feb 2021 at 11:33:24, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The EU has declared war on us hasn't it?
That's how scared they are that other nations will follow us.


It's what you voted for. Own it.

Not so. They voted for what they were promised by Farage and BoJo, etc.

Your usual ********. I'd made my decision about our needing to leave the EU
****show by no loater than 2005 or so.

Yup, and you would be one of a tiny minority who had any opinion on it
(our membership of the EU) at all.

And your 'opinion' is based on a very tiny facet of the bigger
picture.

Dealing with that facet could well cost all of us way more than your
idealism will ever (hope to) resolve.

Well done you.

I would like to congratulate Tim too, and voting despite all the
fear-mongering many succumbed to.

Of course, the worst remainers are those who couldn't be arsed to vote
and still whinge.

On 11 Feb 2021 11:59:40 GMT, Tim Streater
wrote:

On 11 Feb 2021 at 11:49:28 GMT, Bob Martin wrote:

On 11 Feb 2021 at 11:33:24, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The EU has declared war on us hasn't it?
That's how scared they are that other nations will follow us.

It's what you voted for. Own it.

We voted for war with the EU? Funny, I don't recall that being on the ballot
paper.

There were loads of things that weren't on the ballot paper that were
*much more likely* to happen if we left the EU (you stupid, idealist,
blinkered, left-brainer goblin).

Neither do I recall that when British Empire countries gained independence,
that Britain and the rest of the Empire immediately made trade difficult for
the new nations.

Completely different thing.

This is the problem with the left brainers, they don't get the 'human'
stuff in all this, they only go by the black and white rules and then
are surprised when something *they* didn't expect but all the right
brainers saw as clear as day happens.

You take your football home and then are surprised when you don't get
invited to any of the parties or people wouldn't even **** on you if
you were on fire.

ALL of this is *people stuff*, something you will never ever
understand, after all, you think a tiny majority *actually* represents
the 'will of the people'. ;-(

Cheers, T i m

On 11/02/2021 12:22, T i m wrote:

This is the problem with the left brainers, they don't get the 'human'
stuff in all this, they only go by the black and white rules and then
are surprised when something *they* didn't expect but all the right
brainers saw as clear as day happens.

Being a left-brainer is far better than having a dysfunctional right
brain, not least because those with a dysfunctional right brain don't
have the capacity to diagnose their own problem or the root cause of it.

--
Spike

On 11/02/2021 12:22, T i m wrote:
On 11 Feb 2021 11:59:40 GMT, Tim Streater
wrote:

On 11 Feb 2021 at 11:49:28 GMT, Bob Martin wrote:

On 11 Feb 2021 at 11:33:24, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The EU has declared war on us hasn't it?
That's how scared they are that other nations will follow us.

It's what you voted for. Own it.

We voted for war with the EU? Funny, I don't recall that being on the ballot
paper.

There were loads of things that weren't on the ballot paper that were
*much more likely* to happen if we left the EU (you stupid, idealist,
blinkered, left-brainer goblin).

Given the abuse you shower on others, I assume you must be a remainer
with a B12 deficiency.

Neither do I recall that when British Empire countries gained independence,
that Britain and the rest of the Empire immediately made trade difficult for
the new nations.

Completely different thing.

This is the problem with the left brainers, they don't get the 'human'
stuff in all this, they only go by the black and white rules and then
are surprised when something *they* didn't expect but all the right
brainers saw as clear as day happens.

We do get the human stuff, we eat meat and meat products that prevent us
from abusing others who we disagree with.

You take your football home and then are surprised when you don't get
invited to any of the parties or people wouldn't even **** on you if
you were on fire.

Please explain.

ALL of this is *people stuff*, something you will never ever
understand, after all, you think a tiny majority *actually* represents
the 'will of the people'. ;-(

So it appears a lack of B12 also has effects on numerate brain
functions. Perhaps you have forgotten, through your B12 deficiency, that
the number of brexit votes cast were 8% more than remain votes. Hardly a
minority.

Only someone with a B12 deficiency would think that anyone too lazy to
vote would be a remainer.

On 2021-02-11, Fredxx wrote:
ALL of this is *people stuff*, something you will never ever
understand, after all, you think a tiny majority *actually* represents
the 'will of the people'. ;-(

So it appears a lack of B12 also has effects on numerate brain
functions. Perhaps you have forgotten, through your B12 deficiency, that
the number of brexit votes cast were 8% more than remain votes. Hardly a
minority.

Errr 52% to 48%

Only someone with a B12 deficiency would think that anyone too lazy to
vote would be a remainer.

So what's your excuse for the rubbish about B12 etc?

On 11/02/2021 17:20, Jim Jackson wrote:
On 2021-02-11, Fredxx wrote:
ALL of this is *people stuff*, something you will never ever
understand, after all, you think a tiny majority *actually* represents
the 'will of the people'. ;-(

So it appears a lack of B12 also has effects on numerate brain
functions. Perhaps you have forgotten, through your B12 deficiency, that
the number of brexit votes cast were 8% more than remain votes. Hardly a
minority.

Errr 52% to 48%

If B12 wasn't an issue you would agree that 52 is 8% more than 48. Or
more to the point 17,410,742 is 8% more than 16,141,241. Confirming my
statement, "the number of brexit votes cast were 8% more than remain
votes. Hardly a minority".

Only someone with a B12 deficiency would think that anyone too lazy to
vote would be a remainer.

So what's your excuse for the rubbish about B12 etc?

Are you suggesting B12 isn't an issue for fanatical vegans?

In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
On 11 Feb 2021 at 11:49:28 GMT, Bob Martin wrote:

On 11 Feb 2021 at 11:33:24, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The EU has declared war on us hasn't it?
That's how scared they are that other nations will follow us.

It's what you voted for. Own it.

We voted for war with the EU? Funny, I don't recall that being on the
ballot paper.

I take it you don't remember what was on the ballot paper?

Neither do I recall that when British Empire countries gained
independence, that Britain and the rest of the Empire immediately made
trade difficult for the new nations.

It take a true Tory to equate the British Empire with the EU. But in any
case when the BE fell apart so did free trade between those countries.

--
*Don't worry; it only seems kinky the first time.*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
On 11 Feb 2021 at 11:49:28 GMT, Bob Martin wrote:

On 11 Feb 2021 at 11:33:24, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

The EU has declared war on us hasn't it?
That's how scared they are that other nations will follow us.

It's what you voted for. Own it.

We voted for war with the EU? Funny, I don't recall that being on the
ballot paper.

I take it you don't remember what was on the ballot paper?

Neither do I recall that when British Empire countries gained
independence, that Britain and the rest of the Empire immediately made
trade difficult for the new nations.

It take a true Tory to equate the British Empire with the EU.

But in any case when the BE fell apart so
did free trade between those countries.

Bull**** it did.

On Sat, 13 Feb 2021 09:17:48 +1100, Fred, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:


FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread


--
Keema Nam addressing nym-shifting senile Rodent:
"You are now exposed as a liar, as well as an ignorant troll."
"MID: .com"

On 12/02/2021 22:17, Fred wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
* Tim Streater wrote:
On 11 Feb 2021 at 11:49:28 GMT, Bob Martin
wrote:

On 11 Feb 2021 at 11:33:24, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

* The EU has declared war on us hasn't it?
* That's how scared they are that other nations will follow us.

It's what you voted for.* Own it.

We voted for war with the EU? Funny, I don't recall that being on the
ballot paper.

I take it you don't remember what was on the ballot paper?

Neither do I recall that when British Empire countries gained
independence, that Britain and the rest of the Empire immediately made
trade difficult for the new nations.

It take a true Tory to equate the British Empire with the EU.

But in any case when the BE fell apart so
did free trade between those countries.

Bull**** it did.

Correct. Trade with ex-empire, Commonwealth countries collapsed when we
joined the Common Market/EEC/EC/EU and were stuck with protectionist
tariffs and quotas.

On 13/02/2021 00:03, Steve Walker wrote:
On 12/02/2021 22:17, Fred wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
* Tim Streater wrote:
On 11 Feb 2021 at 11:49:28 GMT, Bob Martin
wrote:

On 11 Feb 2021 at 11:33:24, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

* The EU has declared war on us hasn't it?
* That's how scared they are that other nations will follow us.

It's what you voted for.* Own it.

We voted for war with the EU? Funny, I don't recall that being on the
ballot paper.

I take it you don't remember what was on the ballot paper?

Neither do I recall that when British Empire countries gained
independence, that Britain and the rest of the Empire immediately made
trade difficult for the new nations.

It take a true Tory to equate the British Empire with the EU.

But in any case when the BE fell apart so
did free trade between those countries.

Bull**** it did.

Correct. Trade with ex-empire, Commonwealth countries collapsed when we
joined the Common Market/EEC/EC/EU and were stuck with protectionist
tariffs and quotas.

I recall a New Zealand article how we single handedly decimated their
exports. I hope there has been sufficient passage of time for
forgiveness on what we did to their economy.

"Steve Walker" wrote in message
...
On 12/02/2021 22:17, Fred wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
On 11 Feb 2021 at 11:49:28 GMT, Bob Martin
wrote:

On 11 Feb 2021 at 11:33:24, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

The EU has declared war on us hasn't it?
That's how scared they are that other nations will follow us.

It's what you voted for. Own it.

We voted for war with the EU? Funny, I don't recall that being on the
ballot paper.

I take it you don't remember what was on the ballot paper?

Neither do I recall that when British Empire countries gained
independence, that Britain and the rest of the Empire immediately made
trade difficult for the new nations.

It take a true Tory to equate the British Empire with the EU.

But in any case when the BE fell apart so
did free trade between those countries.

Bull**** it did.

Correct. Trade with ex-empire, Commonwealth countries collapsed when we
joined the Common Market/EEC/EC/EU and were stuck with protectionist
tariffs and quotas.

And he appears to be talking about trade between
commonwealth countries too. That didn’t collapse
with the end of empire either.

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
"We currently have no available shipping methods" With a bloc we havce a
free trade deal with.

Well I just ordered something from Portugal and there was no problem.

The exporters did say that their shippers had had some issues just
around the date of the actual changeover (i.e. around beginning of
January) but that these were sorted out now and things are running
smoothly again.

--
Chris Green
·

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
"We currently have no available shipping methods" With a bloc we havce a
free trade deal with.

as I have explained elsewhere

An FTA only affects commercial wholesale importation

it has no effect on domestic retail importation

domestic retail importation is still subject to the rules that local (UK)
VAT should be paid on the item, and where appropriate, import duty

Ordered them from Hong Kong instead. No problem although we don't have a
free trade deal with China...

because the HK company is "winging it" hoping that the package wont be
intercepted and duty applied.

The EU are behaving like sulky teenagers aren't they?

No, the rules are at our end


We are being treated worse than any other independent country.

you mean - our domestic shippers apply the rules more thoroughly that other
countries

probably because it gives them an opportunity to whack on a extortionate
handling fee

On Thursday, 11 February 2021 at 13:20:53 UTC, tim... wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
"We currently have no available shipping methods" With a bloc we havce a
free trade deal with.
as I have explained elsewhere

An FTA only affects commercial wholesale importation

it has no effect on domestic retail importation

domestic retail importation is still subject to the rules that local (UK)
VAT should be paid on the item, and where appropriate, import duty
Ordered them from Hong Kong instead. No problem although we don't have a
free trade deal with China...
because the HK company is "winging it" hoping that the package wont be
intercepted and duty applied.
The EU are behaving like sulky teenagers aren't they?
No, the rules are at our end

We are being treated worse than any other independent country.
you mean - our domestic shippers apply the rules more thoroughly that other
countries

probably because it gives them an opportunity to whack on a extortionate
handling fee

The issue that I am seeing is companies being unwilling to register with the UK's HMRC for VAT.

Thus, they have problems sending lower value goods to the UK. If they operate any sort of online portal, there is no choice, they must register. I suspect many carriers will refuse to accept unless the VAT has been sorted.

Over GBP 135, it appears that they can get the carrier to collect the VAT (and duty, if applicable). But at extra cost (likely to the recipient on or before delivery).

It appears some major portals, like Aliexpress and iHerb, are adding the VAT and it is no practical issue. But for smaller companies, it could be quite an overhead.

Hitting this change to rules - related to but not expressly brexit - alongside loss of low value consignment relief, has resulted in an unpleasant mess.