On 16/02/2021 20:37, bert wrote:
In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
Â* Tim Streater wrote:
On 15 Feb 2021 at 18:04:21 GMT, George Miles
wrote:

they know the lies of £350 milllion saved for the NHS ,

Oh is this a lie? Do tell me in what way. I'm keen to know.

No, they dont want more chaos in the EU with more countries leaving,

Whether countries leave or not is not a matter for the EU, it's a matter
for the country concerned. More particularly, for its population. This
is obviously the case since it's wired into the Lisbon Treaty. But I
don't recall there being any text there that the EU reserved the right
to sulk about it, or could veto countries which chose to leave, or treat
them in a ****ty childish way. If you disagree, feel free to point me at
the relevant text.

But, of course, the last thing the UK wanted was to leave the EU. They
expected to still be in it (as it were) except for all the bits they
didn't like. An EU lite, designed by the UK.

Surely it comes as no surprise that the EU simply isn't having it?

It will be very interesting to see how the leave supporters treat
Scotland
if it gains independence.

Scotland will not "gain independence". It may in due course decide to
withdraw from the Union it entered voluntarily.

I don't think it was that voluntary. They were bankrupt. Union was the
price of financial support.

And still is


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In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
On 15 Feb 2021 at 18:04:21 GMT, George Miles
wrote:

they know the lies of £350 milllion saved for the NHS ,

Oh is this a lie? Do tell me in what way. I'm keen to know.

No, they dont want more chaos in the EU with more countries leaving,

Whether countries leave or not is not a matter for the EU, it's a matter
for the country concerned. More particularly, for its population. This
is obviously the case since it's wired into the Lisbon Treaty. But I
don't recall there being any text there that the EU reserved the right
to sulk about it, or could veto countries which chose to leave, or treat
them in a ****ty childish way. If you disagree, feel free to point me at
the relevant text.

But, of course, the last thing the UK wanted was to leave the EU. They
expected to still be in it (as it were) except for all the bits they
didn't like. An EU lite, designed by the UK.

Surely it comes as no surprise that the EU simply isn't having it?

It will be very interesting to see how the leave supporters treat Scotland
if it gains independence.

and what makes you think it will be in any way other than courteously?

Frankly, I don't give a toss if Scotland wants to leave

It's a money pit that get's more than its fair share of government spending
(admittedly for reasonable socially responsible reasons)

If it wants to walk away from that, more fool it IMHO

On 2021-02-17, tim... wrote:

It will be very interesting to see how the leave supporters treat Scotland
if it gains independence.

and what makes you think it will be in any way other than courteously?

Have you seen the bile handed out round here? Not much courtesy shown.

On 17/02/2021 17:08, Jim Jackson wrote:
On 2021-02-17, tim... wrote:

It will be very interesting to see how the leave supporters treat Scotland
if it gains independence.

and what makes you think it will be in any way other than courteously?

Have you seen the bile handed out round here? Not much courtesy shown.

Its not bile. Its reason

If Scotland wants to leave, good luck, BUT their bile against the
English must stop and they must take full economic responsibility even
when it results in a 50% drop in living standards and people dying on
the streets. England would be under no obligation:

- to subsidise their windmills
- to subsidise their welfare
- to underwrite or guarantee their currency
- to protect their banks from total failure
- to give them access to capital at preferential rates
- to guarantee free movement of their citizens in and out of the rest of
the UK
- to allow them to work in the UK unless they complied with the 'rest of
the world' immigration requirements
- to allow them access to the NHS
- to pay them social security or pensions

The problem is that this is simply not being faced up to by the SNP. who
are simply lying to them.

All well and good you may say, but at some point the truth needs to be told

Scotland is a ****y little county of 5 million that is smaller in
importance than London or Manchester and Birmingham together.Its less
than 8% of UK population and is overall parasitic on the rest of the UK

Its got **** all natural resources, a bolshy population, a ****ty
government that couldn't run a car boot sale and a massive drug problem.

If it were an island in the Atlantic we would have encouraged it to ****
off years ago. The problem is it has a land border to England, and
unless that was made a very hard border indeed, it would export its
dross to England just as Mexico does to the USA.


The cost benefit analysis that needs to be applied is a Boris Bus one.
"Why don't we take the £3.5bn we send to Scotland every year and spend
it on sentry guns for Hadrian's wall instead?"











All te carp that et EU threatened would happen to the UK but didnt. WILL
happen to scotland


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In article ,
tim... wrote:
Frankly, I don't give a toss if Scotland wants to leave

It's a money pit that get's more than its fair share of government
spending (admittedly for reasonable socially responsible reasons)

If it wants to walk away from that, more fool it IMHO

I totally agree. Time the SE of England was independent, given it
subsidises the rest of the country. Could rename it Monaco on Thames.

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On 16/02/2021 10:37, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 01:10:00 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
On 15 Feb 2021 at 18:04:21 GMT, George Miles
wrote:

they know the lies of £350 milllion saved for the NHS ,

Oh is this a lie? Do tell me in what way. I'm keen to know.

No, they dont want more chaos in the EU with more countries leaving,

Whether countries leave or not is not a matter for the EU, it's a
matter for the country concerned. More particularly, for its
population. This is obviously the case since it's wired into the Lisbon
Treaty. But I don't recall there being any text there that the EU
reserved the right to sulk about it, or could veto countries which
chose to leave, or treat them in a ****ty childish way. If you
disagree, feel free to point me at the relevant text.

But, of course, the last thing the UK wanted was to leave the EU. They
expected to still be in it (as it were) except for all the bits they
didn't like. An EU lite, designed by the UK.

Surely it comes as no surprise that the EU simply isn't having it?

It will be very interesting to see how the leave supporters treat
Scotland if it gains independence.

When. One way or another it will happen.

If it does it will be a massive boost to England, especially if there is
a hard border so the third world starving jocks cant emigrate to England.





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intellectuals, in their attempts to control the world. And since...it is
futile to reason someone out of a thing that he was not reasoned into,
we can conclude that Marxism owes its remarkable power to survive every
criticism to the fact that it is not a truth-directed but a
power-directed system of thought.€�
Sir Roger Scruton

In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
On 16/02/2021 10:37, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 01:10:00 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article , Tim Streater
wrote:
On 15 Feb 2021 at 18:04:21 GMT, George Miles
wrote:

they know the lies of £350 milllion saved for the NHS ,

Oh is this a lie? Do tell me in what way. I'm keen to know.

No, they dont want more chaos in the EU with more countries leaving,

Whether countries leave or not is not a matter for the EU, it's a
matter for the country concerned. More particularly, for its
population. This is obviously the case since it's wired into the
Lisbon Treaty. But I don't recall there being any text there that the
EU reserved the right to sulk about it, or could veto countries which
chose to leave, or treat them in a ****ty childish way. If you
disagree, feel free to point me at the relevant text.

But, of course, the last thing the UK wanted was to leave the EU. They
expected to still be in it (as it were) except for all the bits they
didn't like. An EU lite, designed by the UK.

Surely it comes as no surprise that the EU simply isn't having it?

It will be very interesting to see how the leave supporters treat
Scotland if it gains independence.

When. One way or another it will happen.

If it does it will be a massive boost to England, especially if there is
a hard border so the third world starving jocks cant emigrate to England.

there are plenty of us here already.





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On 16/02/2021 11:04, charles wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
On 16/02/2021 10:37, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 01:10:00 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article , Tim Streater
wrote:
On 15 Feb 2021 at 18:04:21 GMT, George Miles
wrote:

they know the lies of £350 milllion saved for the NHS ,

Oh is this a lie? Do tell me in what way. I'm keen to know.

No, they dont want more chaos in the EU with more countries leaving,

Whether countries leave or not is not a matter for the EU, it's a
matter for the country concerned. More particularly, for its
population. This is obviously the case since it's wired into the
Lisbon Treaty. But I don't recall there being any text there that the
EU reserved the right to sulk about it, or could veto countries which
chose to leave, or treat them in a ****ty childish way. If you
disagree, feel free to point me at the relevant text.

But, of course, the last thing the UK wanted was to leave the EU. They
expected to still be in it (as it were) except for all the bits they
didn't like. An EU lite, designed by the UK.

Surely it comes as no surprise that the EU simply isn't having it?

It will be very interesting to see how the leave supporters treat
Scotland if it gains independence.

When. One way or another it will happen.

If it does it will be a massive boost to England, especially if there is
a hard border so the third world starving jocks cant emigrate to England.

there are plenty of us here already.


Well yes. as with Britain in the 1950s and 1960s, the best mostly emigrated.




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thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly
persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid
before him."

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In article ,
charles wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
On 16/02/2021 10:37, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 01:10:00 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article , Tim Streater
wrote:
On 15 Feb 2021 at 18:04:21 GMT, George Miles
wrote:

they know the lies of £350 milllion saved for the NHS ,

Oh is this a lie? Do tell me in what way. I'm keen to know.

No, they dont want more chaos in the EU with more countries
leaving,

Whether countries leave or not is not a matter for the EU, it's a
matter for the country concerned. More particularly, for its
population. This is obviously the case since it's wired into the
Lisbon Treaty. But I don't recall there being any text there that
the EU reserved the right to sulk about it, or could veto
countries which chose to leave, or treat them in a ****ty childish
way. If you disagree, feel free to point me at the relevant text.

But, of course, the last thing the UK wanted was to leave the EU.
They expected to still be in it (as it were) except for all the
bits they didn't like. An EU lite, designed by the UK.

Surely it comes as no surprise that the EU simply isn't having it?

It will be very interesting to see how the leave supporters treat
Scotland if it gains independence.

When. One way or another it will happen.

If it does it will be a massive boost to England, especially if there
is a hard border so the third world starving jocks cant emigrate to
England.

there are plenty of us here already.

And subsidising the penniless Turnip through our taxes.

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On 2021-02-16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
When. One way or another it will happen.

If it does it will be a massive boost to England, especially if there is
a hard border so the third world starving jocks cant emigrate to England.


You really are not a nice person are you?

On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 18:06:15 -0000 (UTC), Jim Jackson
wrote:

On 2021-02-16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
When. One way or another it will happen.

If it does it will be a massive boost to England, especially if there is
a hard border so the third world starving jocks cant emigrate to England.


You really are not a nice person are you?

I think anyone here long enough will learn who are the 'cold and
pricklies' (like Turnip) and the 'warm and fuzzies', those of us who
try to be good / kind / considerate and actually think of others (inc
other species).

I bet there are some parallels between each basic group and the most
extreme of those who voted *for* (especially) Brexit etc.

Those who call others 'them' and don't consider them to actually be
'us'.

Often down to a certain age, arrogance, lack of empathy or compassion
etc.

Cheers, T i m

On 16/02/2021 18:06, Jim Jackson wrote:
On 2021-02-16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
When. One way or another it will happen.

If it does it will be a massive boost to England, especially if there is
a hard border so the third world starving jocks cant emigrate to England.


You really are not a nice person are you?

I am a very nice person.

But I don't think that snowflakes need protecting from the truth. I
think they should be confronted with it.

Scotland is an economic parasite on Britain If we were independent, we
would benefit immeasurably by that. Scots are in denial of the fact that
not through any fault of theirs, it's a ****ty **** poor country with a
lot of mountains and moors and sod all else of any value whatsoever. It
had a bit of steel iron and coal at one time, but that's dead along with
shipbuilding. It briefly had a little boost from North Sea oil, but
really that's pretty much gone now and there is **** all left except
romantic dreams of Braveheart, a twice daily shot of scag in a glasgow
tenement, hatred of England and the dole.

We pay Scotland to keep their problems in Scotland, We pay them an
enormous amount. An amount that the EU would never pay and the scots
themselves could never pay.

Scotland isn't even as big populations wise as London.

Why if the scots want independence, should we stop them?

There is nothing in Scotland anyone wants least of all Scots.

The problem is that the Scots were bought for cash and that's how we got
Scotland to start with. They needed bailing out and the price was
economic and political union. Because they couldn't run themselves .

Why would we choose to do that again? 5 years of 'independence' so
called and they would be back begging for charity.

I am sick of the whining scots and wee krankie and her slick lies.
Blames her own total failure to achieve anything, on England. Well if
that is what the Scots believe they can **** off and die in thousands
under 'independence' a pathetic little republic, globally isolated with
less people than Libya, no natural resources, and led by political
carpetbaggers?

Why wouldn't we put a damned hard border down hadrian's wall?




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