On 21/12/2020 14:07, newshound wrote:
On 21/12/2020 11:04, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Â*Â*Â* alan_m wrote:
On 21/12/2020 06:52, jim.gm4dhj wrote:
Shortages and rationing coming our way.....panic buy now ! ..... this
time we need to ...... I've done mine freezers are full ..... this is
the big one.....

I read a few warnings to the farming communities about not taking
certain livestock to market today because it was likely that there would
be very low prices because exporters wouldn't be buying. It was expected
that the rest of Europe may impose travel and trucking bans and to/from
the UK in an effort to stop the spread of the new variant of the virus.

Must admit to wondering how political this is. Is this 'new' version of
Covid really just in the UK - or have we just noticed it before others?

But of course limiting movement of anything and everything is likely to
help contain the virus.

FWIW I think "Cancel Christmas" was just another government panic
recognising that there would be a post holiday spike so that now they
can say "we did something, it would have been worse".

More intriguing is whether the French 48 hour ban is actually just a
Brexit curve-ball, "See what no-deal will be like" to encourage a U turn
on fish. Not from the EU, just the French being typically bloody minded.
(And I like the French).
but the French don't like you ....

On 21/12/2020 14:39, charles wrote:
In article ,
newshound wrote:
On 21/12/2020 11:04, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
alan_m wrote:
On 21/12/2020 06:52, jim.gm4dhj wrote:
Shortages and rationing coming our way.....panic buy now ! ..... this
time we need to ...... I've done mine freezers are full ..... this is
the big one.....

I read a few warnings to the farming communities about not taking
certain livestock to market today because it was likely that there would
be very low prices because exporters wouldn't be buying. It was expected
that the rest of Europe may impose travel and trucking bans and to/from
the UK in an effort to stop the spread of the new variant of the virus.

Must admit to wondering how political this is. Is this 'new' version of
Covid really just in the UK - or have we just noticed it before others?

But of course limiting movement of anything and everything is likely to
help contain the virus.

FWIW I think "Cancel Christmas" was just another government panic
recognising that there would be a post holiday spike so that now they
can say "we did something, it would have been worse".

as my Rev daughter sausy "Christmas hasn't been cancelled - the parties
that often go with it have been."

a sausy rev...cool

Of course. If we got what leavers said was going to be so easy - all the
benefits with none of the responsibilities - other would want the same.

The EU certainly does...
--
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On 21/12/2020 11:04, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
alan_m wrote:
On 21/12/2020 06:52, jim.gm4dhj wrote:
Shortages and rationing coming our way.....panic buy now ! ..... this
time we need to ...... I've done mine freezers are full ..... this is
the big one.....

I read a few warnings to the farming communities about not taking
certain livestock to market today because it was likely that there would
be very low prices because exporters wouldn't be buying. It was expected
that the rest of Europe may impose travel and trucking bans and to/from
the UK in an effort to stop the spread of the new variant of the virus.

Must admit to wondering how political this is. Is this 'new' version of
Covid really just in the UK - or have we just noticed it before others?

Viruses mutate all the time, so variants are to be expected. This one
seems to have originated in Kent, so probably is still mainly confined
to the UK. Other countries probably have their own new variants, but
whether or not they have found them is another matter.

But of course limiting movement of anything and everything is likely to
help contain the virus.

Although, if everybody followed the guidelines, it probably wouldn't be
necessary.


--
Colin Bignell

On 21/12/2020 16:40, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 11:08:11 +0000, Fredxx
....
I'm pretty sure they can't lawfully do what they've done as it's
against *at least* one of the treaties....

Public health legislation usually trumps any other treaty or law.


--
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On 21/12/2020 11:43, GB wrote:
On 21/12/2020 11:39, Radio Man wrote:

But in case it's escaped your notice, we've spent years trying to
negotiate effectively retaining EU 'membership' for the bits of it we
like.


Not remotely accurate the EU want us to sign up for more than we want to.

Can you explain what the difference is?



We want limited trade deals no free movement etc and not handing over
control of things.

The EU aren't accepting that. I suppose that they are just exercising
their sovereignty. Now, who'd have expected that, eh?

They have no sovereignty. Only countries can have that.

--
Max Demian

On 21/12/2020 14:44, Dave Liquorice wrote:

Are there any? Live export mainly goes through Ramsgate and not all
live exports are for slaughter, some are for fattening. Everything
living dies, it's one of the very few absolute guarantees of life.


Yes but we shouldn't allow unnecessary suffering. We have a moral duty
to take care of all animals.

Bill

On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 20:28:08 +0000, williamwright
wrote:

On 21/12/2020 14:44, Dave Liquorice wrote:

Are there any? Live export mainly goes through Ramsgate and not all
live exports are for slaughter, some are for fattening. Everything
living dies, it's one of the very few absolute guarantees of life.


Yes but we shouldn't allow unnecessary suffering. We have a moral duty
to take care of all animals.


Ok, jokes over, what have you done with Bill? ;-(

Cheers, T i m

On 21/12/2020 20:42, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 20:28:08 +0000, williamwright
wrote:

On 21/12/2020 14:44, Dave Liquorice wrote:

Are there any? Live export mainly goes through Ramsgate and not all
live exports are for slaughter, some are for fattening. Everything
living dies, it's one of the very few absolute guarantees of life.


Yes but we shouldn't allow unnecessary suffering. We have a moral duty
to take care of all animals.


Ok, jokes over, what have you done with Bill? ;-(


He's turned Vegan.


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On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 18:00:22 +0000, Richard
wrote:

On 21/12/2020 16:26, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 11:16:03 +0000, "Jim Stewart ..."
wrote:

On 21/12/2020 08:53, Stephen Cole wrote:
jim.gm4dhj wrote:
Shortages and rationing coming our way.....panic buy now ! ..... this
time we need to ...... I've done mine freezers are full ..... this is
the big one.....

Sunlit uplands!

There’s definitely some kind of cosmic justice going on here, that a
pandemic is running wild on us just as we’re severing the secure links we
spent decades building with our neighbours. Still, blue passports, eh?

Looking forward to seeing Kent gridlocked from about this afternoon when
people start hitting the supermarkets in a panic for Christmas food and bog
roll.

brian is about to get a preview of a no deal brexit...tee hee

Bring it on. We're not scared. The BEST deal is NO DEAL.

Have you moved back?

Nope. I'll wait til the dust settles.

On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 19:02:45 +0000, nightjar
wrote:

On 21/12/2020 16:40, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 11:08:11 +0000, Fredxx
...
I'm pretty sure they can't lawfully do what they've done as it's
against *at least* one of the treaties....

Public health legislation usually trumps any other treaty or law.

Arbitrary French reprisals usually trump international laws and
treaties.

On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 20:56:04 +0000, alan_m
wrote:

On 21/12/2020 20:42, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 20:28:08 +0000, williamwright
wrote:

On 21/12/2020 14:44, Dave Liquorice wrote:

Are there any? Live export mainly goes through Ramsgate and not all
live exports are for slaughter, some are for fattening. Everything
living dies, it's one of the very few absolute guarantees of life.


Yes but we shouldn't allow unnecessary suffering. We have a moral duty
to take care of all animals.


Ok, jokes over, what have you done with Bill? ;-(


He's turned Vegan.

The irony of course is 'most people' are vegan (in their principals re
cruelty towards animals) they are just conditioned ... normalised to
switch that compassion off when it comes to some animals that others
have told them aren't sentient creatures that share many of the same
needs, desires and sensations as us but are just there to be food?

Give a child an apple and a rabbit and it will play with the rabbit
and eat the apple. If on a desert island and without the conditioning,
at what point do you think it would think to eat the rabbit?

Cheers, T i m

On 21/12/2020 23:42, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 20:56:04 +0000, alan_m
wrote:

On 21/12/2020 20:42, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 20:28:08 +0000, williamwright
wrote:

On 21/12/2020 14:44, Dave Liquorice wrote:

Are there any? Live export mainly goes through Ramsgate and not all
live exports are for slaughter, some are for fattening. Everything
living dies, it's one of the very few absolute guarantees of life.


Yes but we shouldn't allow unnecessary suffering. We have a moral duty
to take care of all animals.


Ok, jokes over, what have you done with Bill? ;-(


He's turned Vegan.

The irony of course is 'most people' are vegan (in their principals re
cruelty towards animals) they are just conditioned ... normalised to
switch that compassion off when it comes to some animals that others
have told them aren't sentient creatures that share many of the same
needs, desires and sensations as us but are just there to be food?

Give a child an apple and a rabbit and it will play with the rabbit
and eat the apple. If on a desert island and without the conditioning,
at what point do you think it would think to eat the rabbit?

Probably when all his B12 has been exhausted.

I think the world has gone mad. 1 For any new variant to be detected, it
probably already exists in most of Europe.
2 It could well be that by trying to stop the spread, we have bred the new
variant simply by natural selection, since only the strain best at spreading
will spread. This is how evolution works. I'm just surprised its taken so
long.
However it will also breed for a less fatal version as well, since
incapacitating a host animal will by itself limit spreading. The crucial
thing we breed for as it mutates is a long period when the person is
affected but not ill. After all the underlying driving force is replication,
is it not? Its no good replicating if you end up killing your host.

So yes its about a lot at the moment, I know four people who have it. None
are that ill, but of course have probably infected many others. The main
thing why its spreading is Christmas. It was bleedin obvious to me that the
students coming home, the school children being about more and too many
people shopping at the same time was basically a recipe for infection with
all sorts of things
So all this silliness at the ports is stupid, since in the last couple of
weeks there has been ample time for people to take any new strain all over
the world, not just Europe.

Well, I still don't understand panic buying. If there is a problem you are
merely forcing it to be quicker, and if there is not, in the end you are
giving a lot of people who are sensible, a big headache to find essential
goods. We should by now be over all this ****. The people predicting
rationing will by their actions bring it about. Stupid or what?
Brian

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On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 18:00:22 +0000, Richard
wrote:

On 21/12/2020 16:26, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 11:16:03 +0000, "Jim Stewart ..."
wrote:

On 21/12/2020 08:53, Stephen Cole wrote:
jim.gm4dhj wrote:
Shortages and rationing coming our way.....panic buy now ! ..... this
time we need to ...... I've done mine freezers are full ..... this is
the big one.....

Sunlit uplands!

There's definitely some kind of cosmic justice going on here, that a
pandemic is running wild on us just as we're severing the secure links
we
spent decades building with our neighbours. Still, blue passports, eh?

Looking forward to seeing Kent gridlocked from about this afternoon
when
people start hitting the supermarkets in a panic for Christmas food
and bog
roll.

brian is about to get a preview of a no deal brexit...tee hee

Bring it on. We're not scared. The BEST deal is NO DEAL.

Have you moved back?

Nope. I'll wait til the dust settles.

On 22/12/2020 07:39, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
Well, I still don't understand panic buying. If there is a problem you are
merely forcing it to be quicker, and if there is not, in the end you are
giving a lot of people who are sensible, a big headache to find essential
goods. We should by now be over all this ****. The people predicting
rationing will by their actions bring it about. Stupid or what?
Brian


Panic buying seems to mean just your normal shop but with less on
shelves to begin with. Even with the initial toilet roll shortage, tell
people that they are going to be in lockdown for months then you get in
supplies that last for months! That's not panic buying - just common sense.

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Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote

I think the world has gone mad.

It always has been.

1 For any new variant to be detected, it probably already exists in most of
Europe.

Yeah, those wogs cant get anything right.

2 It could well be that by trying to stop the spread, we have bred the new
variant simply by natural selection,

That happens even when no one is trying to stop the spread.

since only the strain best at spreading will spread.

Duh.

This is how evolution works.

Duh.

I'm just surprised its taken so long.

I'm not, some viruses mutate more slowly than others.

SARS died out.

However it will also breed for a less fatal version as well, since
incapacitating a host animal will by itself limit spreading.

There is no evidence that this variant is more lethal.

The crucial thing we breed for as it mutates is a long period when the
person is affected but not ill.

That’s what all the approved western ones do.

After all the underlying driving force is replication, is it not?

Not if you want to stamp the virus out like we have
done with smallpox and are close to doing with polio.

Its no good replicating if you end up killing your host.

Its actually about being contagious before you kill the
host with most successful viruses, like influenza.

So yes its about a lot at the moment, I know four people who have it.

I don’t know any but then we dealt with
the virus much better than you lot have.

None are that ill, but of course have probably infected many others.

Depends on how they did things.

The main thing why its spreading is Christmas.

Odd that we don’t have a problem in that regard.

It was bleedin obvious to me that the students coming home, the school
children being about more and too many people shopping at the same time
was basically a recipe for infection with all sorts of things

Odd that we don’t have a problem in that regard.

So all this silliness at the ports is stupid,

Nope, its how NZ and Australia got
a much better result than you lot.

since in the last couple of weeks there has been ample time for people to
take any new strain all over the world, not just Europe.

Not here or New Zealand because we have
enough of a clue to force you lot to quarantine
if you come into the country. n

on 21/12/2020, Radio Man supposed :
Not remotely accurate the EU want us to sign up for more than we want to.
We want limited trade deals no free movement etc and not handing over
control of things. If we gave in to your version the deal would have been
done under May. The EU need money and are worried if we leave others will
follow.

+1

Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote

Well, I still don't understand panic buying.

That’s obvious.

If there is a problem you are merely forcing it to be quicker,

But if you get in early enough and grab enough
to last you thru the panic, it wont affect you.

and if there is not, in the end you are giving a lot of people who are
sensible, a big headache to find essential goods.

Those who panic buy don’t care about that, just themselves.

We should by now be over all this ****.

We arent because it does work for those that do it early enough.

The people predicting rationing will by their actions bring it about.

Doesn’t affect those who buy up enough
early enough to last them thru the panic.

Stupid or what?

What.


On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 18:00:22 +0000, Richard
wrote:

On 21/12/2020 16:26, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 11:16:03 +0000, "Jim Stewart ..."
wrote:

On 21/12/2020 08:53, Stephen Cole wrote:
jim.gm4dhj wrote:
Shortages and rationing coming our way.....panic buy now ! .....
this
time we need to ...... I've done mine freezers are full ..... this
is
the big one.....

Sunlit uplands!

There's definitely some kind of cosmic justice going on here, that a
pandemic is running wild on us just as we're severing the secure
links we
spent decades building with our neighbours. Still, blue passports,
eh?

Looking forward to seeing Kent gridlocked from about this afternoon
when
people start hitting the supermarkets in a panic for Christmas food
and bog
roll.

brian is about to get a preview of a no deal brexit...tee hee

Bring it on. We're not scared. The BEST deal is NO DEAL.

Have you moved back?

Nope. I'll wait til the dust settles.

On Tue, 22 Dec 2020 20:06:56 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


I think the world has gone mad.

It always has been.

Thanks to deranged, self-opinionated sociopaths like you!

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"Rod speed is not a Brexiteer. He is an Australian troll and arsehole."
Message-ID:

On 22/12/2020 08:40, alan_m wrote:
On 22/12/2020 07:39, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
Well, I still don't understand panic buying. If there is a problem you
are
merely forcing it to be quicker, and if there is not, in the end you are
giving a lot of people who are sensible, a big headache to find essential
goods. We should by now be over all thisÂ* ****. The people predicting
rationing will by their actions bring it about. Stupid or what?
Â* Brian


Panic buying seems to mean just your normal shop but with less on
shelves to begin with.Â* Even with the initial toilet roll shortage, tell
people that they are going to be in lockdown for months then you get in
supplies that last for months! That's not panic buying - just common sense.

Except anyone with sense would have realised that e.g. you cant
stockpile 6 months of fresh veggie, so shops would HAVE to stay open.

I didn't stockpile a damned thing. Then or now...


--
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news paper, you are mis-informed."

Mark Twain

On 21/12/2020 22:25, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 19:02:45 +0000, nightjar
wrote:

On 21/12/2020 16:40, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 11:08:11 +0000, Fredxx
...
I'm pretty sure they can't lawfully do what they've done as it's
against *at least* one of the treaties....

Public health legislation usually trumps any other treaty or law.

Arbitrary French reprisals usually trump international laws and
treaties.


Its not just France that has closed its borders to people from the UK.

--
Colin Bignell

In article ,
Max Demian wrote:
The EU aren't accepting that. I suppose that they are just exercising
their sovereignty. Now, who'd have expected that, eh?

They have no sovereignty. Only countries can have that.

So explain how we have taken back sovereignty?

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williamwright wrote:
On 21/12/2020 14:44, Dave Liquorice wrote:

Are there any? Live export mainly goes through Ramsgate and not all
live exports are for slaughter, some are for fattening. Everything
living dies, it's one of the very few absolute guarantees of life.


Yes but we shouldn't allow unnecessary suffering. We have a moral duty
to take care of all animals.

Especially Bill.

--
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·

On 22/12/2020 10:10, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


Except anyone with sense would have realised that e.g. you cant
stockpile 6 months of fresh veggie, so shops would HAVE to stay open.



never seen fresh veg in the near of Scotland.....

On 22/12/2020 00:14, Fredxx wrote:
On 21/12/2020 23:42, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 20:56:04 +0000, alan_m
wrote:

On 21/12/2020 20:42, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 20:28:08 +0000, williamwright
wrote:

On 21/12/2020 14:44, Dave Liquorice wrote:

Are there any? Live export mainly goes through Ramsgate and not all
live exports are for slaughter, some are for fattening. Everything
living dies, it's one of the very few absolute guarantees of life.


Yes but we shouldn't allow unnecessary suffering. We have a moral duty
to take care of all animals.


Ok, jokes over, what have you done with Bill? ;-(


He's turned Vegan.

The irony of course is 'most people' are vegan (in their principals re
cruelty towards animals) they are just conditioned ... normalised to
switch that compassion off when it comes to some animals that others
have told them aren't sentient creatures that share many of the same
needs, desires and sensations as us but are just there to be food?

Give a child an apple and a rabbit and it will play with the rabbit
and eat the apple. If on a desert island and without the conditioning,
at what point do you think it would think to eat the rabbit?

Probably when all his B12 has been exhausted.

:-)

Jim Stewart wrote:
On 22/12/2020 10:10, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


Except anyone with sense would have realised that e.g. you cant
stockpile 6 months of fresh veggie, so shops would HAVE to stay open.



never seen fresh veg in the near of Scotland.....

"potato 1.03 million tonnes (lots of seed potatoe)
carrots 231,000 tonnes === Jim, eat yer carrots
turnips 64,000 tonnes
peas 34,000 tonnes
strawberries 25,000 tonnes
Brussels 14,000 tonnes
raspberries 2,900 tonnes

Other vegetables such as peas, beans and turnips are also grown,
sometimes for animal feed and sometimes for human consumption.

Some farmers also grow other vegetables such as cabbages, leeks,
broccoli, mushrooms, Brussels sprouts.
"

*******

Picture of mushrooms. Since it needs a building, that
limits the output.

https://modernfarmer.com/wp-content/.../mushroom1.jpg

I had a mushroom facility five minutes drive from the house,
but they didn't sell retail or roadside. But they did sell
bagged mushroom compost.

Paul

On 22/12/2020 14:49, Paul wrote:
Jim Stewart wrote:
On 22/12/2020 10:10, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


Except anyone with sense would have realised that e.g. you cant
stockpile 6 months of fresh veggie, so shops would HAVE to stay open.



never seen fresh veg in the near of Scotland.....

"potatoÂ*Â*Â*Â* 1.03 million tonnes (lots of seed potatoe)
Â*carrotsÂ*Â*Â*Â* 231,000 tonnesÂ* === Jim, eat yer carrots
Â*turnipsÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* 64,000 tonnes
Â*peasÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 34,000 tonnes
Â*strawberries 25,000 tonnes
Â*BrusselsÂ*Â*Â*Â* 14,000 tonnes
Â*raspberriesÂ*Â* 2,900 tonnes

Â*Other vegetables such as peas, beans and turnips are also grown,
Â*sometimes for animal feed and sometimes for human consumption.

Â*Some farmers also grow other vegetables such as cabbages, leeks,
Â*broccoli, mushrooms, Brussels sprouts.
"

*******

Picture of mushrooms. Since it needs a building, that
limits the output.

https://modernfarmer.com/wp-content/.../mushroom1.jpg

I had a mushroom facility five minutes drive from the house,
but they didn't sell retail or roadside. But they did sell
bagged mushroom compost.

Â*Â* Paul
oh right...tee hee

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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On 22/12/2020 08:40, alan_m wrote:
On 22/12/2020 07:39, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
Well, I still don't understand panic buying. If there is a problem you
are
merely forcing it to be quicker, and if there is not, in the end you are
giving a lot of people who are sensible, a big headache to find
essential
goods. We should by now be over all this ****. The people predicting
rationing will by their actions bring it about. Stupid or what?
Brian


Panic buying seems to mean just your normal shop but with less on shelves
to begin with. Even with the initial toilet roll shortage, tell people
that they are going to be in lockdown for months then you get in supplies
that last for months! That's not panic buying - just common sense.

Except anyone with sense would have realised that e.g. you cant stockpile
6 months of fresh veggie, so shops would HAVE to stay open.

I didn't stockpile a damned thing. Then or now...

I didn't either but then the biggest packs of dunny
paper that I buy for the lowest price per sheet lasts
more than a year and I had got a new pack before
the virus showed up and knew that the shortage
wouldnt last anything like that long.

On 22/12/2020 11:05, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Max Demian wrote:
The EU aren't accepting that. I suppose that they are just exercising
their sovereignty. Now, who'd have expected that, eh?

They have no sovereignty. Only countries can have that.

So explain how we have taken back sovereignty?

We haven't. We've recovered it. It's control we (hope to) take back.

--
Max Demian

On 21/12/2020 08:53, Stephen Cole wrote:
jim.gm4dhj wrote:
Shortages and rationing coming our way.....panic buy now ! ..... this
time we need to ...... I've done mine freezers are full ..... this is
the big one.....

Sunlit uplands!

Theres definitely some kind of cosmic justice going on here, that a
pandemic is running wild on us just as were severing the secure links we
spent decades building with our neighbours. Still, blue passports, eh?

Looking forward to seeing Kent gridlocked from about this afternoon when
people start hitting the supermarkets in a panic for Christmas food and bog
roll.


WE should just declare war on France!

there is plenty of british grown food, if only the supermarkets would
buy british not french/spanish/italian vegetables and supplies.

In article ,
Max Demian wrote:
On 22/12/2020 11:05, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Max Demian wrote:
The EU aren't accepting that. I suppose that they are just exercising
their sovereignty. Now, who'd have expected that, eh?

They have no sovereignty. Only countries can have that.

So explain how we have taken back sovereignty?

We haven't. We've recovered it. It's control we (hope to) take back.

When you make a mutual agreement with anyone (unless they are a total
fool) you give up a degree of control.

--
*Everybody lies, but it doesn't matter since nobody listens*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Jack Harry Teesdale wrote:
On 21/12/2020 08:53, Stephen Cole wrote:
jim.gm4dhj wrote:
Shortages and rationing coming our way.....panic buy now ! ..... this
time we need to ...... I've done mine freezers are full ..... this is
the big one.....

Sunlit uplands!

There‘s definitely some kind of cosmic justice going on here, that a
pandemic is running wild on us just as we‘re severing the secure links we
spent decades building with our neighbours. Still, blue passports, eh?

Looking forward to seeing Kent gridlocked from about this afternoon when
people start hitting the supermarkets in a panic for Christmas food and bog
roll.


WE should just declare war on France!

there is plenty of british grown food, if only the supermarkets would
buy british not french/spanish/italian vegetables and supplies.

Is that what you mean by 'taking back control? Control what vegetables etc
the UK public can buy?

The UK isn't self sufficient. It exists in its current form by trading
with others - goods and services.

If everyone world wide decided only to buy locally produced goods, etc,
we'd be in a worse mess than now.

--
*That's it! I‘m calling grandma!

Dave Plowman London SW
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On Tue, 22 Dec 2020 20:12:26 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


Well, I still don't understand panic buying.

That¢s obvious.

Nobody asked you anything or even talked to you, senile bigmouth!

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On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 16:26:37 +0000, Cursitor Doom
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 11:16:03 +0000, "Jim Stewart ..."
wrote:

On 21/12/2020 08:53, Stephen Cole wrote:
jim.gm4dhj wrote:
Shortages and rationing coming our way.....panic buy now ! ..... this
time we need to ...... I've done mine freezers are full ..... this is
the big one.....

Sunlit uplands!

There’s definitely some kind of cosmic justice going on here, that a
pandemic is running wild on us just as we’re severing the secure links we
spent decades building with our neighbours. Still, blue passports, eh?

Looking forward to seeing Kent gridlocked from about this afternoon when
people start hitting the supermarkets in a panic for Christmas food and bog
roll.

brian is about to get a preview of a no deal brexit...tee hee

Bring it on. We're not scared. The BEST deal is NO DEAL.

It's all very well for you foreigners to say that. Unlike we Brits you
won't have to endure the impending train crash that brexit will be.

On 22/12/2020 19:06, R Souls wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 16:26:37 +0000, Cursitor Doom
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 11:16:03 +0000, "Jim Stewart ..."
wrote:

On 21/12/2020 08:53, Stephen Cole wrote:
jim.gm4dhj wrote:
Shortages and rationing coming our way.....panic buy now ! ..... this
time we need to ...... I've done mine freezers are full ..... this is
the big one.....

Sunlit uplands!

Theres definitely some kind of cosmic justice going on here, that a
pandemic is running wild on us just as were severing the secure links we
spent decades building with our neighbours. Still, blue passports, eh?

Looking forward to seeing Kent gridlocked from about this afternoon when
people start hitting the supermarkets in a panic for Christmas food and bog
roll.

brian is about to get a preview of a no deal brexit...tee hee

Bring it on. We're not scared. The BEST deal is NO DEAL.

It's all very well for you foreigners to say that. Unlike we Brits you
won't have to endure the impending train crash that brexit will be.

Im a brit. I live here.
I will be delighted with a no deal exit.
You will be surprised at events if you actually open your eyes, but I
suspect you will keep them tight shut.
There is a limit to how far the 27 will let the EU cut *their* noses off
to spite *Britain's* face.
Remember, Europe is realising that people in the Union may suffer, but
never the people who have usurped authority. The unsackable Brussels
bureaucrats and their gold plated pensions.

They are currently tolerated, but for how much longer?




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On 22/12/2020 16:37, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Max Demian wrote:
On 22/12/2020 11:05, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Max Demian wrote:
The EU aren't accepting that. I suppose that they are just exercising
their sovereignty. Now, who'd have expected that, eh?

They have no sovereignty. Only countries can have that.

So explain how we have taken back sovereignty?

We haven't. We've recovered it. It's control we (hope to) take back.

When you make a mutual agreement with anyone (unless they are a total
fool) you give up a degree of control.

That "mutual agreement" was our membership of the EU.

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On 21/12/2020 23:42, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 20:56:04 +0000, alan_m
wrote:

On 21/12/2020 20:42, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 20:28:08 +0000, williamwright
wrote:

On 21/12/2020 14:44, Dave Liquorice wrote:

Are there any? Live export mainly goes through Ramsgate and not all
live exports are for slaughter, some are for fattening. Everything
living dies, it's one of the very few absolute guarantees of life.


Yes but we shouldn't allow unnecessary suffering. We have a moral duty
to take care of all animals.


Ok, jokes over, what have you done with Bill? ;-(


He's turned Vegan.

The irony of course is 'most people' are vegan (in their principals re
cruelty towards animals) they are just conditioned ... normalised to
switch that compassion off when it comes to some animals that others
have told them aren't sentient creatures that share many of the same
needs, desires and sensations as us but are just there to be food?

Give a child an apple and a rabbit and it will play with the rabbit
and eat the apple. If on a desert island and without the conditioning,
at what point do you think it would think to eat the rabbit?


I would have it first, and save the apple for desert...

Not to mention many days of sustenance from the rabbit, with a nice high
nutrient density (one of the highest percentages of protein of all
meats). Lean but also rich in B3 and B12. Stays fresh for extended
periods without refrigeration as well. And when you are done, some nice
fur mitts to keep you hands warm. The less palatable bits can be used
for fishing bait. There is very little wasted in a rabbit.

If you have some breading rabbits, even better - they reproduce fast and
help harvest nutrients from the flora of the island without needing
organised agriculture. They are easy to keep and survive in a good range
of temperatures.

As a bonus you get 4 lucky rabbit feet per rabbit... (although its fair
to say at that point they did not work so well for bunnykins).


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On 23/12/2020 00:58, John Rumm wrote:
On 21/12/2020 23:42, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 20:56:04 +0000, alan_m
wrote:

On 21/12/2020 20:42, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 20:28:08 +0000, williamwright
wrote:

On 21/12/2020 14:44, Dave Liquorice wrote:

Are there any? Live export mainly goes through Ramsgate and not all
live exports are for slaughter, some are for fattening. Everything
living dies, it's one of the very few absolute guarantees of life.


Yes but we shouldn't allow unnecessary suffering. We have a moral duty
to take care of all animals.


Ok, jokes over, what have you done with Bill? ;-(


He's turned Vegan.

The irony of course is 'most people' are vegan (in their principals re
cruelty towards animals) they are just conditioned ... normalised to
switch that compassion off when it comes to some animals that others
have told them aren't sentient creatures that share many of the same
needs, desires and sensations as us but are just there to be food?

Give a child an apple and a rabbit and it will play with the rabbit
and eat the apple. If on a desert island and without the conditioning,
at what point do you think it would think to eat the rabbit?


I would have it first, and save the apple for desert...

Not to mention many days of sustenance from the rabbit, with a nice high
nutrient density (one of the highest percentages of protein of all
meats). Lean but also rich in B3 and B12. Stays fresh for extended
periods without refrigeration as well. And when you are done, some nice
fur mitts to keep you hands warm. The less palatable bits can be used
for fishing bait. There is very little wasted in a rabbit.

If you have some breading rabbits, even better - they reproduce fast and
help harvest nutrients from the flora of the island without needing
organised agriculture. They are easy to keep and survive in a good range
of temperatures.

As a bonus you get 4 lucky rabbit feet per rabbit... (although its fair
to say at that point they did not work so well for bunnykins).

You is a naughty boy and are due for an education about yer brain and
other things.

On Wed, 23 Dec 2020 00:58:33 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

snip

Give a child an apple and a rabbit and it will play with the rabbit
and eat the apple. If on a desert island and without the conditioning,
at what point do you think it would think to eat the rabbit?


I would have it first, and save the apple for desert...

snip

Would you though? If you weren't brought up in a culture where animals
were seen as food, what would make you think they were edible?

With no fire (knowledge of or the means to make one), how would you
process it to even make it consumable?

This is my point, if 'most people' see an injured animal or one in
distress they will generally do all they can to help. Releasing it
from being caught and / or taking it to a vet / rescue to ensure it
gets treatment (as we did recently with a goose with a leg that was
about to drop off because of fishing line).

The cognitive dissonance would be after rescuing said animal, people
would go and tuck into the remains of another animal that would have
suffered at some point?

Animals who wouldn't generally be here (or exist as a sub species)
*naturally*, they are only here because of *artificial* insemination.

Farmed Turkeys are probably not alone in being a farmed animal (even
the terms now disgusts me) unable to breed naturally, because of how
much we have mutated them for our own needs.

So, killing anything should only ever be done out of necessity, kill
of be killed, self defence (when that is the only assured solution),
.... or survival and the latter doesn't apply to the vast majority re
animals and food in 2020.

This (98 year old) sums most of it up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX58PyQwrcI

I get though why you would try to defend the idea of seeing (a
restricted sub set of all species of) animals as food, because that's
both how you were brought up and you say you have relatives who earn
their livelihoods off the exploitation of other creatures (as I and
millions of others would see it).


Cheers, T i m