I just heard the mayor of New Orleans talking on CNN. He said that the
hurricane is likely to shut down 1/3 of the gasoline and natural gas imports
to the United States this week, and that the shutdown would last for months
to come. This sounds like some serious ****.

"Oscar_Lives" wrote:

I just heard the mayor of New Orleans talking on CNN. He said that the
hurricane is likely to shut down 1/3 of the gasoline and natural gas imports
to the United States this week, and that the shutdown would last for months
to come. This sounds like some serious ****.

Cat 5 Hurricanes are. Lives will be lost, which is even worse.

Speaking of worse, at least it didn't hit Galveston, TX.

Well I suppose they will take advantage of this situation to raise gasoline
prices even higher. No problem for me... My "fat belly" could use a bit of
bike riding. Hummm... I guess I don't exercise that when bike riding?


"Oscar_Lives" wrote in message
I just heard the mayor of New Orleans talking on CNN. He said that the
hurricane is likely to shut down 1/3 of the gasoline and natural gas
imports
to the United States this week, and that the shutdown would last for
months
to come. This sounds like some serious ****.

"Oscar_Lives" wrote in message
news:IhmQe.313711$xm3.306072@attbi_s21...
I just heard the mayor of New Orleans talking on CNN. He said that the
hurricane is likely to shut down 1/3 of the gasoline and natural gas
imports
to the United States this week, and that the shutdown would last for
months
to come. This sounds like some serious ****.

They shut down the off shore drilling rigs and the shipping lanes from South
America are blocked or disrupted for a time. I don't know how real it all
is, but you can be sure the price will go up.

Gas today was 2.629 here in CT. Home heating oil is 2.27 to 2.35. I was able
to lock in at 2.35 for the season, up from 1.60 last year.

Bad time to be a Hummer dealer. Or an owner too I guess.

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
news

"Oscar_Lives" wrote in message
news:IhmQe.313711$xm3.306072@attbi_s21...
I just heard the mayor of New Orleans talking on CNN. He said that the
hurricane is likely to shut down 1/3 of the gasoline and natural gas imports
to the United States this week, and that the shutdown would last for months
to come. This sounds like some serious ****.

They shut down the off shore drilling rigs and the shipping lanes from South
America are blocked or disrupted for a time. I don't know how real it all is,
but you can be sure the price will go up.

Gas today was 2.629 here in CT. Home heating oil is 2.27 to 2.35. I was able
to lock in at 2.35 for the season, up from 1.60 last year.

Bad time to be a Hummer dealer. Or an owner too I guess.

This is Turtle.

Edwin , New Orleans does off load a good amount of import oil but there is other
ports that can take up any slack New Orleans may fall behind on. Sabine Pass/
Houston and Lake Charles / cameron can take in what New Orleans takes in today.
Both of these are running at 50 % to 60% of their ability.

And another thing : Where they off load tankers at in New Orleans it will not be
hit by the high water and tidel wave. All this docking to do this is inland and
not exposed to the gulf. The water will rise in that area and then go back down
and they can go back to off loading the oil. Also about 1/2 the oil that is off
loaded at New Orleans . The ships go on up to Baton Rouge to off load about 60
miles inland from New Orleans. Only the Super tankers have to stop in New
Orleans. Also just about all the refinerey are not in the city but up on high
ground out of the city.

It's just a bunch of hooppla going on here.

TURTLE

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote:


"Oscar_Lives" wrote in message
news:IhmQe.313711$xm3.306072@attbi_s21...
I just heard the mayor of New Orleans talking on CNN. He said that the
hurricane is likely to shut down 1/3 of the gasoline and natural gas
imports
to the United States this week, and that the shutdown would last for
months
to come. This sounds like some serious ****.

They shut down the off shore drilling rigs and the shipping lanes from South
America are blocked or disrupted for a time. I don't know how real it all
is, but you can be sure the price will go up.

http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/28/news...ex.htm?cnn=yes

From that fine article:
"As of Saturday, 563,000 barrels daily crude output had been shut in due
to the threatening storm. Shell Oil Co., which was evacuating all 1,019
of its offshore workers in the central and eastern Gulf on Saturday, had
the bulk of closed Gulf daily oil production, with 420,000 barrels
turned off."

"Shell also said 1.345 billion cubic feet per day, or Bfd, of natural
gas had been shut by Saturday."

"Chalmette Refining LLC, which operates a New Orleans-area refinery, was
shutting down production in preparation for the approach of the
hurricane, which is predicted to produce winds near 131 mph (210 kph)
when it charges ashore on Monday. "

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"Oscar_Lives" wrote in message
news:IhmQe.313711$xm3.306072@attbi_s21...

I just heard the mayor of New Orleans talking on CNN. He said that the
hurricane is likely to shut down 1/3 of the gasoline and natural gas
imports
to the United States this week, and that the shutdown would last for
months
to come. This sounds like some serious ****.


They shut down the off shore drilling rigs and the shipping lanes from South
America are blocked or disrupted for a time. I don't know how real it all
is, but you can be sure the price will go up.

Gas today was 2.629 here in CT. Home heating oil is 2.27 to 2.35. I was able
to lock in at 2.35 for the season, up from 1.60 last year.

Bad time to be a Hummer dealer. Or an owner too I guess.



Come to sunny CA, where 3.15 is common for low grade gas now.



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"TURTLE" wrote in message
. ..

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
news

"Oscar_Lives" wrote in message
news:IhmQe.313711$xm3.306072@attbi_s21...
I just heard the mayor of New Orleans talking on CNN. He said that the
hurricane is likely to shut down 1/3 of the gasoline and natural gas
imports
to the United States this week, and that the shutdown would last for
months
to come. This sounds like some serious ****.

They shut down the off shore drilling rigs and the shipping lanes from
South America are blocked or disrupted for a time. I don't know how real
it all is, but you can be sure the price will go up.

Gas today was 2.629 here in CT. Home heating oil is 2.27 to 2.35. I was
able to lock in at 2.35 for the season, up from 1.60 last year.

Bad time to be a Hummer dealer. Or an owner too I guess.

This is Turtle.

Edwin , New Orleans does off load a good amount of import oil but there is
other ports that can take up any slack New Orleans may fall behind on.
Sabine Pass/ Houston and Lake Charles / cameron can take in what New
Orleans takes in today. Both of these are running at 50 % to 60% of their
ability.

And another thing : Where they off load tankers at in New Orleans it will
not be hit by the high water and tidel wave. All this docking to do this
is inland and not exposed to the gulf. The water will rise in that area
and then go back down and they can go back to off loading the oil. Also
about 1/2 the oil that is off loaded at New Orleans . The ships go on up
to Baton Rouge to off load about 60 miles inland from New Orleans. Only
the Super tankers have to stop in New Orleans. Also just about all the
refinerey are not in the city but up on high ground out of the city.

It's just a bunch of hooppla going on here.

I always suspect that reasons are given for higher prices that in reality
aren't true.


TURTLE

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 17:14:16 GMT, "Oscar_Lives"
wrote:

I just heard the mayor of New Orleans talking on CNN. He said that the
hurricane is likely to shut down 1/3 of the gasoline and natural gas imports
to the United States this week, and that the shutdown would last for months
to come. This sounds like some serious ****.


You also have to worry about the very large refinery in Pascagoula,
MS. It might be offline for a while if damaged.

Bad time to be a Hummer dealer. Or an owner too I guess.


Ed,
If you can afford a hummer, you can afford the gas at most any price.
I don't know if that goes for all the owners of those other big SUVs
too.

Stretch

"TURTLE" wrote in message
. ..

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
news

"Oscar_Lives" wrote in message
news:IhmQe.313711$xm3.306072@attbi_s21...
I just heard the mayor of New Orleans talking on CNN. He said that the
hurricane is likely to shut down 1/3 of the gasoline and natural gas
imports
to the United States this week, and that the shutdown would last for
months
to come. This sounds like some serious ****.

They shut down the off shore drilling rigs and the shipping lanes from
South
America are blocked or disrupted for a time. I don't know how real it
all is,
but you can be sure the price will go up.

Gas today was 2.629 here in CT. Home heating oil is 2.27 to 2.35. I was
able
to lock in at 2.35 for the season, up from 1.60 last year.

Bad time to be a Hummer dealer. Or an owner too I guess.

This is Turtle.

Edwin , New Orleans does off load a good amount of import oil but there is
other
ports that can take up any slack New Orleans may fall behind on. Sabine
Pass/
Houston and Lake Charles / cameron can take in what New Orleans takes in
today.
Both of these are running at 50 % to 60% of their ability.

And another thing : Where they off load tankers at in New Orleans it will
not be
hit by the high water and tidel wave. All this docking to do this is
inland and
not exposed to the gulf. The water will rise in that area and then go back
down
and they can go back to off loading the oil. Also about 1/2 the oil that
is off
loaded at New Orleans . The ships go on up to Baton Rouge to off load
about 60
miles inland from New Orleans. Only the Super tankers have to stop in New
Orleans. Also just about all the refinerey are not in the city but up on
high
ground out of the city.

It's just a bunch of hooppla going on here.

TURTLE


Katrina cuts oil output by a third
As storm gathers strength and heads toward land, there's plenty to fear in
the oil patch.
August 28, 2005: 5:27 PM EDT

HOUSTON (Reuters) - U.S. energy companies said U.S. Gulf of Mexico crude oil
output was cut by more than one-third on Saturday as Hurricane Katrina
appeared poised to charge through central production areas toward New
Orleans.

The Gulf of Mexico is home to roughly a quarter of U.S. domestic oil and gas
output, with a capacity to produce about 1.5 million barrels per day of
crude and 12.3 billion cubic feet per day of gas.

As of Saturday, 563,000 barrels daily crude output had been shut in due to
the threatening storm.

Shell Oil Co., which was evacuating all 1,019 of its offshore workers in the
central and eastern Gulf on Saturday, had the bulk of closed Gulf daily oil
production, with 420,000 barrels turned off.

Shell also said 1.345 billion cubic feet per day, or Bfd, of natural gas had
been shut by Saturday.

Total daily Gulf natural gas output shut on Saturday was 1.9 billion cubic
feet.

Chalmette Refining LLC, which operates a New Orleans-area refinery, was
shutting down production in preparation for the approach of the hurricane,
which is predicted to produce winds near 131 mph (210 kph) when it charges
ashore on Monday.

Chalmette is a joint venture between Exxon Mobil Corp. and Venezuelan state
oil company Petroleos de Venezuela SA and operates a 190,000-bpd refinery 9
miles east of downtown New Orleans.

The shutdown was to be completed by Katrina's predicted landfall on Monday
afternoon, said Chalmette spokeswoman Nora Scheller.

Other southeast Louisiana refineries were operating on Saturday but were
reducing staff and preparing for possible shutdowns, the companies said.

Ship traffic along the Mississippi River from the Gulf of Mexico to New
Orleans was halted on Saturday when ship pilots said conditions were already
unsafe to continue moving vessels along the waterway.

The U.S. Coast Guard was warning mariners of possible waterway closures
along the Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama coasts as early as Sunday
afternoon.

The Louisiana Offshore Oil Port LLC stopped offloading tankers in the Gulf
of Mexico at midday on Saturday. The LOOP, which is the only U.S. offshore
oil port, takes an average 1 million barrels in foreign crude from tankers
in the Gulf.

While offloading is halted, the LOOP is supplying refiners via pipeline with
crude stored on shore.

Katrina was a Category 5 hurricane on the five-step Saffir-Simpson scale,
with catastrophic winds of 175 mph (284 kph), just before 2 p.m. EDT (1800
GMT) on Sunday, said the U.S. National Hurricane Center in Miami.

Its central pressure -- a measure of a storm's intensity -- fell to 906
millibars, making Katrina the second strongest storm on record after the
Labor Day hurricane of 1935 that hit the Florida Keys. That storm recorded a
minimum central pressure of 892 millibars on landfall.

"If it stayed at this intensity, it would be one of the two or three
strongest to ever hit this country," Ed Rappaport, deputy director of the
hurricane center, told CNN. "And on top of that of course we have a special
concern for the area -- New Orleans is below sea level."

Katrina was 180 miles south-southeast of the mouth of the Mississippi River
and heading northwest at 13 mph (21 kph). Hurricane force winds could be
felt 105 miles out from the center.

The hurricane center warned of destructive winds along the Gulf Coast from
the Florida-Alabama border, through Mississippi and west to Morgan City in
Louisiana, and said Katrina could bring up to 15 inches of rain.

Its track would send it through key U.S. oil and gas areas in the Gulf of
Mexico, and Katrina seemed likely to affect already sky-high gasoline
prices. Oil rigs were evacuated.

The last Category 5 to strike the area was Hurricane Camille in 1969.
Camille, which registered a minimum pressure of 909 millibars at landfall,
just missed New Orleans but devastated Louisiana and Alabama, killing
hundreds. Hurricane Andrew, which destroyed the city of Homestead south of
Miami in 1992 and ranks as the costliest natural disaster in U.S. history,
was also a Category 5. Its central pressure was 922 millibars.

Katrina was originally projected to take a path west across southern
Florida, turn north in the eastern Gulf and strike the Florida Panhandle as
a minimal hurricane.

As late as Friday afternoon, many producers were taking a wait-and-see
approach common with eastern Gulf storms, where oil and gas drilling and
production are sparse.

But the storm's long drift westward Friday afternoon and evening meant it
was gaining intensity from deep, warm Gulf waters and would not turn north
in time to avoid production areas.

Katrina is expected to reach land sometime Monday morning, according to CNN
meteorologist Brad Huffines.

"Oscar_Lives" wrote in message
news:IhmQe.313711$xm3.306072@attbi_s21...
I just heard the mayor of New Orleans talking on CNN. He said that the
hurricane is likely to shut down 1/3 of the gasoline and natural gas
imports
to the United States this week, and that the shutdown would last for
months
to come. This sounds like some serious ****.


You don't really believe anything you hear on the Communist News Network, do
you?

S1

Click on the site below, and enjoy!

http://toccionline.kizash.com/films/1001/178/index.php

Oscar_Lives wrote:
I just heard the mayor of New Orleans talking on CNN. He said that the
hurricane is likely to shut down 1/3 of the gasoline and natural gas imports
to the United States this week, and that the shutdown would last for months
to come. This sounds like some serious ****.



Dunno, but it's playin' hell with a lot of connections at my online
poker site.

"Savvy 1" nospam@nospam wrote:

"Oscar_Lives" wrote in message
news:IhmQe.313711$xm3.306072@attbi_s21...
I just heard the mayor of New Orleans talking on CNN. He said that the
hurricane is likely to shut down 1/3 of the gasoline and natural gas
imports
to the United States this week, and that the shutdown would last for
months
to come. This sounds like some serious ****.


You don't really believe anything you hear on the Communist News Network, do
you?

Sigh, the young ones don't know their history. CNN is Chicken Noodle
News.

"John Hines" wrote in message
...
"Savvy 1" nospam@nospam wrote:

"Oscar_Lives" wrote in message
news:IhmQe.313711$xm3.306072@attbi_s21...
I just heard the mayor of New Orleans talking on CNN. He said that the
hurricane is likely to shut down 1/3 of the gasoline and natural gas
imports
to the United States this week, and that the shutdown would last for
months
to come. This sounds like some serious ****.


You don't really believe anything you hear on the Communist News Network,
do
you?

Sigh, the young ones don't know their history. CNN is Chicken Noodle
News.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167283,00.html
Storm Fears Push Oil Past $70
Sunday, August 28, 2005



NEW YORK - With crude oil prices already near record levels, Hurricane
Katrina (search) targeted the heart of America's oil and refinery operations
Sunday, shutting down an estimated 1 million barrels of refining capacity
and sharply curbing offshore production in the region.

It is an area crucial to the nation's energy infrastructure - offshore oil
and gas production, import terminals, pipeline networks and numerous
refining operations throughout southern Louisiana and Mississippi.

The impact was immediate Sunday night when electronic trading resumed on the
New York Mercantile Exchange (search), as crude oil futures spiked $4.50 per
barrel, putting the cost above $70 for the first time since oil began
trading there in 1983.

The Category 5 storm was still churning in the Gulf of Mexico but was on a
path to hit New Orleans early Monday.

Last September, Hurricane Ivan (search) also swept across the region causing
heavy damage and reducing the region's output for months.

Katrina's winds were fiercer.

Oil companies evacuated workers and shut down more than 600,000 barrels of
daily production in the Gulf. Refiners closed down more than 1 million
barrels of refining output by Sunday, but that amount could be higher
because not every producer reports data, said Peter Beutel, an oil analyst
with Cameron Hanover.

"This is the big one," he said. "This is unmitigated, bad news for
consumers."

Gasoline futures soared more than 20 cents per gallon, above $2.12 per
gallon, and natural gas was up $2.20 per 1,000 cubic feet in the opening
minutes of trade. The "out of control" buying is spurred by the prospect
that the region's numerous refineries could be idled for weeks by flooding,
power outages, or both, Beutel said.

The U.S. has ample crude oil supplies, even if major hurricane destruction
trims Gulf oil output and foreign imports, but refining capacity is
extraordinarily tight. As a result, prices for gasoline, heating oil, jet
fuel and other products have flirted with records and could go even higher
this week.

"If this thing knocks out significant quantities of refining capacity ...
we're going to be in deep, dark trouble," said Ed Silliere, vice president
of risk management at Energy Merchant LLC in New York.

The market has been on edge for months, with traders and speculators buying
on the slightest fear. With Katrina, all those fears could be realized,
Beutel said.

"Basically I could spill a can of oil at my local gas station and you'd see
the price of crude go up by $1 per barrel," he said.

Crude settled at $66.13 a barrel Friday on the New York Mercantile Exchange,
down $1.36 after hitting $68 last week.

On Friday, Katrina had been expected to be inconsequential to the energy
industry, with many traders selling. That all changed Saturday, when the
system gained power and charged west, directly toward areas of offshore oil
production.

ChevronTexaco Corp. completed evacuations of all workers in the eastern and
central Gulf of Mexico and nonessential workers in the western Gulf late
Saturday, company spokesman Matt Carmichael said.

Chevron has about 2,100 employees and contractors working in the Gulf,
Carmichael said. Chevron will continue to produce 90 percent of its normal
production by remote as long as weather cooperates, he said.

The Louisiana Offshore Oil Port, which processes loads from tankers too
large for mainland ports, evacuated all workers and stopped unloading ships
on Saturday morning said Mark Bugg, the terminal's manager of scheduling.
The LOOP, 20 miles offshore, is the nation's largest oil import terminal and
handles 11 percent of U.S. oil imports.

Royal Dutch-Shell Group evacuated more than 1,000 offshore workers by
Saturday. Only those in the far west remained, the company said on its Web
site. BP PLC and ExxonMobil Corp. also brought workers ashore Saturday.

Shell estimated 420,000 barrels of oil and 1.35 million cubic feet of gas
per day will be shut in at its central and eastern Gulf facilities. Exxon
Mobil said it has ceased daily production of 3,000 barrels of oil and 50
million cubic feet of gas.

Valero Energy Corp. evacuated all but a few workers at its
260,000-barrel-a-day St. Charles refinery on Saturday. Murphy Oil Corp. also
shut down its 120,000-barrel-a-day Meraux, La., refinery, and Exxon Mobil
Corp. planned to shut down its 183,000-barrel-a-day refinery in Chalmette,
La.

Motiva Enterprises, a joint venture of Royal Dutch Shell PLC and state-owned
Saudi Arabian Oil Co., began implementing hurricane contingency plans at its
225,000-barrel-a-day Norco refinery on Saturday. Motiva also was exploring
contingencies for its 235,000-barrel-a-day Convent refinery, about 45 miles
west of New Orleans, Dow Jones Newswires reported.

"Gort" wrote in message
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Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"Oscar_Lives" wrote in message
news:IhmQe.313711$xm3.306072@attbi_s21...

I just heard the mayor of New Orleans talking on CNN. He said that the
hurricane is likely to shut down 1/3 of the gasoline and natural gas imports
to the United States this week, and that the shutdown would last for months
to come. This sounds like some serious ****.


They shut down the off shore drilling rigs and the shipping lanes from South
America are blocked or disrupted for a time. I don't know how real it all
is, but you can be sure the price will go up.

Gas today was 2.629 here in CT. Home heating oil is 2.27 to 2.35. I was able
to lock in at 2.35 for the season, up from 1.60 last year.

Bad time to be a Hummer dealer. Or an owner too I guess.

Come to sunny CA, where 3.15 is common for low grade gas now.


This is Turtle.

Yes , You get $3.15 a Gallon Price but also you don't allow any offshore
drilling for oil and gas and no producing of oil products from you inland
shores. Expect price jumps when you have to buy your oil and gas from other
states.

TURTLE