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Shortages and rationing coming our way.....panic buy now ! ..... this
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jim.gm4dhj wrote:
Shortages and rationing coming our way.....panic buy now ! ..... this time we need to ...... I've done mine freezers are full ..... this is the big one..... Sunlit uplands! Theres definitely some kind of cosmic justice going on here, that a pandemic is running wild on us just as were severing the secure links we spent decades building with our neighbours. Still, blue passports, eh? Looking forward to seeing Kent gridlocked from about this afternoon when people start hitting the supermarkets in a panic for Christmas food and bog roll. -- STC / M0TEY |
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On 21/12/2020 08:53, Stephen Cole wrote:
jim.gm4dhj wrote: Shortages and rationing coming our way.....panic buy now ! ..... this time we need to ...... I've done mine freezers are full ..... this is the big one..... Sunlit uplands! Theres definitely some kind of cosmic justice going on here, that a pandemic is running wild on us just as were severing the secure links we spent decades building with our neighbours. Still, blue passports, eh? Looking forward to seeing Kent gridlocked from about this afternoon when people start hitting the supermarkets in a panic for Christmas food and bog roll. brian is about to get a preview of a no deal brexit...tee hee |
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On 21/12/2020 11:16, Jim Stewart ... wrote:
Looking forward to seeing Kent gridlocked from about this afternoon when people start hitting the supermarkets in a panic for Christmas food and bog roll. You be lucky to find bog roll on the shelves - if you do grab whilst you can. Also, in some areas supermarket home deliveries are already rationing bulky items (presumably so they can get the orders for a greater number of customers in the same van delivery) -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 11:16:03 +0000, "Jim Stewart ..."
wrote: On 21/12/2020 08:53, Stephen Cole wrote: jim.gm4dhj wrote: Shortages and rationing coming our way.....panic buy now ! ..... this time we need to ...... I've done mine freezers are full ..... this is the big one..... Sunlit uplands! There’s definitely some kind of cosmic justice going on here, that a pandemic is running wild on us just as we’re severing the secure links we spent decades building with our neighbours. Still, blue passports, eh? Looking forward to seeing Kent gridlocked from about this afternoon when people start hitting the supermarkets in a panic for Christmas food and bog roll. brian is about to get a preview of a no deal brexit...tee hee Bring it on. We're not scared. The BEST deal is NO DEAL. |
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On 21/12/2020 16:26, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 11:16:03 +0000, "Jim Stewart ..." wrote: On 21/12/2020 08:53, Stephen Cole wrote: jim.gm4dhj wrote: Shortages and rationing coming our way.....panic buy now ! ..... this time we need to ...... I've done mine freezers are full ..... this is the big one..... Sunlit uplands! Theres definitely some kind of cosmic justice going on here, that a pandemic is running wild on us just as were severing the secure links we spent decades building with our neighbours. Still, blue passports, eh? Looking forward to seeing Kent gridlocked from about this afternoon when people start hitting the supermarkets in a panic for Christmas food and bog roll. brian is about to get a preview of a no deal brexit...tee hee Bring it on. We're not scared. The BEST deal is NO DEAL. Have you moved back? |
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On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 18:00:22 +0000, Richard
wrote: On 21/12/2020 16:26, Cursitor Doom wrote: On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 11:16:03 +0000, "Jim Stewart ..." wrote: On 21/12/2020 08:53, Stephen Cole wrote: jim.gm4dhj wrote: Shortages and rationing coming our way.....panic buy now ! ..... this time we need to ...... I've done mine freezers are full ..... this is the big one..... Sunlit uplands! There’s definitely some kind of cosmic justice going on here, that a pandemic is running wild on us just as we’re severing the secure links we spent decades building with our neighbours. Still, blue passports, eh? Looking forward to seeing Kent gridlocked from about this afternoon when people start hitting the supermarkets in a panic for Christmas food and bog roll. brian is about to get a preview of a no deal brexit...tee hee Bring it on. We're not scared. The BEST deal is NO DEAL. Have you moved back? Nope. I'll wait til the dust settles. |
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On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 16:26:37 +0000, Cursitor Doom
wrote: On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 11:16:03 +0000, "Jim Stewart ..." wrote: On 21/12/2020 08:53, Stephen Cole wrote: jim.gm4dhj wrote: Shortages and rationing coming our way.....panic buy now ! ..... this time we need to ...... I've done mine freezers are full ..... this is the big one..... Sunlit uplands! There’s definitely some kind of cosmic justice going on here, that a pandemic is running wild on us just as we’re severing the secure links we spent decades building with our neighbours. Still, blue passports, eh? Looking forward to seeing Kent gridlocked from about this afternoon when people start hitting the supermarkets in a panic for Christmas food and bog roll. brian is about to get a preview of a no deal brexit...tee hee Bring it on. We're not scared. The BEST deal is NO DEAL. It's all very well for you foreigners to say that. Unlike we Brits you won't have to endure the impending train crash that brexit will be. |
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On 22/12/2020 19:06, R Souls wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 16:26:37 +0000, Cursitor Doom wrote: On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 11:16:03 +0000, "Jim Stewart ..." wrote: On 21/12/2020 08:53, Stephen Cole wrote: jim.gm4dhj wrote: Shortages and rationing coming our way.....panic buy now ! ..... this time we need to ...... I've done mine freezers are full ..... this is the big one..... Sunlit uplands! Theres definitely some kind of cosmic justice going on here, that a pandemic is running wild on us just as were severing the secure links we spent decades building with our neighbours. Still, blue passports, eh? Looking forward to seeing Kent gridlocked from about this afternoon when people start hitting the supermarkets in a panic for Christmas food and bog roll. brian is about to get a preview of a no deal brexit...tee hee Bring it on. We're not scared. The BEST deal is NO DEAL. It's all very well for you foreigners to say that. Unlike we Brits you won't have to endure the impending train crash that brexit will be. Im a brit. I live here. I will be delighted with a no deal exit. You will be surprised at events if you actually open your eyes, but I suspect you will keep them tight shut. There is a limit to how far the 27 will let the EU cut *their* noses off to spite *Britain's* face. Remember, Europe is realising that people in the Union may suffer, but never the people who have usurped authority. The unsackable Brussels bureaucrats and their gold plated pensions. They are currently tolerated, but for how much longer? -- Gun Control: The law that ensures that only criminals have guns. |
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On 21/12/2020 08:53, Stephen Cole wrote:
jim.gm4dhj wrote: Shortages and rationing coming our way.....panic buy now ! ..... this time we need to ...... I've done mine freezers are full ..... this is the big one..... Sunlit uplands! Theres definitely some kind of cosmic justice going on here, that a pandemic is running wild on us just as were severing the secure links we spent decades building with our neighbours. Still, blue passports, eh? Looking forward to seeing Kent gridlocked from about this afternoon when people start hitting the supermarkets in a panic for Christmas food and bog roll. WE should just declare war on France! there is plenty of british grown food, if only the supermarkets would buy british not french/spanish/italian vegetables and supplies. |
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Jack Harry Teesdale wrote: On 21/12/2020 08:53, Stephen Cole wrote: jim.gm4dhj wrote: Shortages and rationing coming our way.....panic buy now ! ..... this time we need to ...... I've done mine freezers are full ..... this is the big one..... Sunlit uplands! There‘s definitely some kind of cosmic justice going on here, that a pandemic is running wild on us just as we‘re severing the secure links we spent decades building with our neighbours. Still, blue passports, eh? Looking forward to seeing Kent gridlocked from about this afternoon when people start hitting the supermarkets in a panic for Christmas food and bog roll. WE should just declare war on France! there is plenty of british grown food, if only the supermarkets would buy british not french/spanish/italian vegetables and supplies. Is that what you mean by 'taking back control? Control what vegetables etc the UK public can buy? The UK isn't self sufficient. It exists in its current form by trading with others - goods and services. If everyone world wide decided only to buy locally produced goods, etc, we'd be in a worse mess than now. -- *That's it! I‘m calling grandma! Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 21/12/2020 06:52, jim.gm4dhj wrote:
Shortages and rationing coming our way.....panic buy now ! ..... this time we need to ...... I've done mine freezers are full ..... this is the big one..... I read a few warnings to the farming communities about not taking certain livestock to market today because it was likely that there would be very low prices because exporters wouldn't be buying. It was expected that the rest of Europe may impose travel and trucking bans and to/from the UK in an effort to stop the spread of the new variant of the virus. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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On 21/12/2020 10:35, alan_m wrote:
On 21/12/2020 06:52, jim.gm4dhj wrote: Shortages and rationing coming our way.....panic buy now ! ..... this time we need to ...... I've done mine freezers are full ..... this is the big one..... I read a few warnings to the farming communities about not taking certain livestock to market today because it was likely that there would be very low prices because exporters wouldn't be buying. It was expected that the rest of Europe may impose travel and trucking bans and to/from the UK in an effort to stop the spread of the new variant of the virus. It's very unusual to stop freight. I do wonder if this is further punishment for daring to leave the EU. The French are especially ****ed off but truck drivers were never seen as a vector spreading disease. |
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In article ,
Fredxx wrote: On 21/12/2020 10:35, alan_m wrote: On 21/12/2020 06:52, jim.gm4dhj wrote: Shortages and rationing coming our way.....panic buy now ! ..... this time we need to ...... I've done mine freezers are full ..... this is the big one..... I read a few warnings to the farming communities about not taking certain livestock to market today because it was likely that there would be very low prices because exporters wouldn't be buying. It was expected that the rest of Europe may impose travel and trucking bans and to/from the UK in an effort to stop the spread of the new variant of the virus. It's very unusual to stop freight. I do wonder if this is further punishment for daring to leave the EU. The French are especially ****ed off but truck drivers were never seen as a vector spreading disease. Perhaps if we'd just left the EU that would be true. But in case it's escaped your notice, we've spent years trying to negotiate effectively retaining EU 'membership' for the bits of it we like. Why does it come as a surprise that other EU members aren't having this? Try looking at it from their point of view. -- *Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Fredxx wrote: On 21/12/2020 10:35, alan_m wrote: On 21/12/2020 06:52, jim.gm4dhj wrote: Shortages and rationing coming our way.....panic buy now ! ..... this time we need to ...... I've done mine freezers are full ..... this is the big one..... I read a few warnings to the farming communities about not taking certain livestock to market today because it was likely that there would be very low prices because exporters wouldn't be buying. It was expected that the rest of Europe may impose travel and trucking bans and to/from the UK in an effort to stop the spread of the new variant of the virus. It's very unusual to stop freight. I do wonder if this is further punishment for daring to leave the EU. The French are especially ****ed off but truck drivers were never seen as a vector spreading disease. Perhaps if we'd just left the EU that would be true. But in case it's escaped your notice, we've spent years trying to negotiate effectively retaining EU 'membership' for the bits of it we like. Not remotely accurate the EU want us to sign up for more than we want to. We want limited trade deals no free movement etc and not handing over control of things. If we gave in to your version the deal would have been done under May. The EU need money and are worried if we leave others will follow. |
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On 21/12/2020 11:39, Radio Man wrote:
But in case it's escaped your notice, we've spent years trying to negotiate effectively retaining EU 'membership' for the bits of it we like. Not remotely accurate the EU want us to sign up for more than we want to. Can you explain what the difference is? We want limited trade deals no free movement etc and not handing over control of things. The EU aren't accepting that. I suppose that they are just exercising their sovereignty. Now, who'd have expected that, eh? |
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On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 11:39:33 -0000 (UTC), Radio Man
wrote: Not remotely accurate the EU want us to sign up for more than we want to. We want limited trade deals no free movement etc and not handing over control of things. If we gave in to your version the deal would have been done under May. The EU need money and are worried if we leave others will follow. "If we leave"?? You need to stop watching the BBC and get up to speed mate! |
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on 21/12/2020, Radio Man supposed :
Not remotely accurate the EU want us to sign up for more than we want to. We want limited trade deals no free movement etc and not handing over control of things. If we gave in to your version the deal would have been done under May. The EU need money and are worried if we leave others will follow. +1 |
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Jethro_uk wrote: But in case it's escaped your notice, we've spent years trying to negotiate effectively retaining EU 'membership' for the bits of it we like. Not remotely accurate the EU want us to sign up for more than we want to. Not remotely accurate. The EU - just like everyone else - has no intention of giving things away. Much as the likes of BoJo thinks it's the gawd given right of the UK to demand and be given. We want limited trade deals no free movement etc and not handing over control of things. If we gave in to your version the deal would have been done under May. All you've repeated is what we all knew from the start - leavers want their cake and to eat it. And thought the EU would be perfectly happy with that. The EU need money and are worried if we leave others will follow. Of course. If we got what leavers said was going to be so easy - all the benefits with none of the responsibilities - other would want the same. -- *I'm not a paranoid, deranged millionaire. Dammit, I'm a billionaire. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 11:08:11 +0000, Fredxx
wrote: On 21/12/2020 10:35, alan_m wrote: On 21/12/2020 06:52, jim.gm4dhj wrote: Shortages and rationing coming our way.....panic buy now ! ..... this time we need to ...... I've done mine freezers are full ..... this is the big one..... I read a few warnings to the farming communities about not taking certain livestock to market today because it was likely that there would not be very low prices because exporters wouldn't be buying. It was expected that the rest of Europe may impose travel and trucking bans and to/from the UK in an effort to stop the spread of the new variant of the virus. It's very unusual to stop freight. I do wonder if this is further punishment for daring to leave the EU. The French are especially ****ed off but truck drivers were never seen as a vector spreading disease. I'm pretty sure they can't lawfully do what they've done as it's against *at least* one of the treaties. But that's the French for you and they only obey the laws that suit them (and they're not alon e in that - the UK was one of the few who slavishly followed every dictat.) |
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On 21/12/2020 16:40, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 11:08:11 +0000, Fredxx .... I'm pretty sure they can't lawfully do what they've done as it's against *at least* one of the treaties.... Public health legislation usually trumps any other treaty or law. -- Colin Bignell |
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On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 19:02:45 +0000, nightjar
wrote: On 21/12/2020 16:40, Cursitor Doom wrote: On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 11:08:11 +0000, Fredxx ... I'm pretty sure they can't lawfully do what they've done as it's against *at least* one of the treaties.... Public health legislation usually trumps any other treaty or law. Arbitrary French reprisals usually trump international laws and treaties. |
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On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 11:13:12 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk
wrote: On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 11:08:11 +0000, Fredxx wrote: On 21/12/2020 10:35, alan_m wrote: On 21/12/2020 06:52, jim.gm4dhj wrote: Shortages and rationing coming our way.....panic buy now ! ..... this time we need to ...... I've done mine freezers are full ..... this is the big one..... I read a few warnings to the farming communities about not taking certain livestock to market today because it was likely that there would be very low prices because exporters wouldn't be buying. It was expected that the rest of Europe may impose travel and trucking bans and to/from the UK in an effort to stop the spread of the new variant of the virus. It's very unusual to stop freight. I do wonder if this is further punishment for daring to leave the EU. The French are especially ****ed off but truck drivers were never seen as a vector spreading disease. Not quite sure why El Salvador has also banned travel from UK then. Did we miss their accession to the EU ? Give it time. They'll probably be in with the rest of central America in the next phase of expansion. |
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alan_m wrote: On 21/12/2020 06:52, jim.gm4dhj wrote: Shortages and rationing coming our way.....panic buy now ! ..... this time we need to ...... I've done mine freezers are full ..... this is the big one..... I read a few warnings to the farming communities about not taking certain livestock to market today because it was likely that there would be very low prices because exporters wouldn't be buying. It was expected that the rest of Europe may impose travel and trucking bans and to/from the UK in an effort to stop the spread of the new variant of the virus. Must admit to wondering how political this is. Is this 'new' version of Covid really just in the UK - or have we just noticed it before others? But of course limiting movement of anything and everything is likely to help contain the virus. -- *I know a guy who's addicted to brake fluid. He says he can stop any time.* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 21/12/2020 11:04, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Must admit to wondering how political this is. Is this 'new' version of Covid really just in the UK - or have we just noticed it before others? Apparently, our ability in genomic science is one of the very best so we've found it before others. -- Frank |
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On 21/12/2020 11:22, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 11:17:34 +0000, F wrote: On 21/12/2020 11:04, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Must admit to wondering how political this is. Is this 'new' version of Covid really just in the UK - or have we just noticed it before others? Apparently, our ability in genomic science is one of the very best so we've found it before others. Well considering *I* was talking about mutations in June, I'd hope someone was watching out for them. The trick is, when you are planning things, to ask yourself "What, based on history and science, is most likely to **** things up ?" and the factor that into your plans. If the UK government didn't do that, then what's the point of them ? Seriously ? I have a whole load of statements from them as to what they are *not* about (for example, ensuring food, water and medicines for the population). It doesn't matter a **** about knowing or guessing in advance what mutations will or will not occur. We don't know, and no one knows, yet., For my money the government despite that weaselly **** 'hand on cock' has done a pretty decent job of behaving pragmatically as conservatives should. They have three political axes to optimise - high death rate and hospital overload - electoral disaster - damage to the economy - electoral disaster - loss of credibility - electoral disaster. In short its a no win for them, It's pure damage limitation. That is why I don't think unlike some tinfoil hatters, that this government at any rate, started it or is lying about it. Lockdown is, ex of a vaccine that works, all they have, to try and optimise a three way axis of disaster. If case loads are low, track and trace and quarantine works, but we are now again beyond that. If I survive the winter, it will be interesting to see who else does...in S Africa they have a strain that is attacking young people more than the old, apparently -- "Corbyn talks about equality, justice, opportunity, health care, peace, community, compassion, investment, security, housing...." "What kind of person is not interested in those things?" "Jeremy Corbyn?" |
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On 21 Dec 2020 at 12:02:22 GMT, "The Natural Philosopher"
wrote: On 21/12/2020 11:22, Jethro_uk wrote: On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 11:17:34 +0000, F wrote: On 21/12/2020 11:04, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Must admit to wondering how political this is. Is this 'new' version of Covid really just in the UK - or have we just noticed it before others? Apparently, our ability in genomic science is one of the very best so we've found it before others. Well considering *I* was talking about mutations in June, I'd hope someone was watching out for them. The trick is, when you are planning things, to ask yourself "What, based on history and science, is most likely to **** things up ?" and the factor that into your plans. If the UK government didn't do that, then what's the point of them ? Seriously ? I have a whole load of statements from them as to what they are *not* about (for example, ensuring food, water and medicines for the population). It doesn't matter a **** about knowing or guessing in advance what mutations will or will not occur. We don't know, and no one knows, yet., For my money the government despite that weaselly **** 'hand on cock' has done a pretty decent job of behaving pragmatically as conservatives should. They have three political axes to optimise - high death rate and hospital overload - electoral disaster - damage to the economy - electoral disaster - loss of credibility - electoral disaster. In short its a no win for them, It's pure damage limitation. That is why I don't think unlike some tinfoil hatters, that this government at any rate, started it or is lying about it. Lockdown is, ex of a vaccine that works, all they have, to try and optimise a three way axis of disaster. If case loads are low, track and trace and quarantine works, but we are now again beyond that. If I survive the winter, it will be interesting to see who else does...in S Africa they have a strain that is attacking young people more than the old, apparently I think their biggest mistake was to give track and trace to their pals and the usual suspect outsourcing firms, instead of giving money to the generally excellent and experienced local contract tracing teams. The latter had much local knowledge, plus experience of training newcomers and ad hoc assistants, and were very good at gaining trust for their contact tracing. Contact tracing has been the biggest failure. -- Roger Hayter |
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On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 11:04:41 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: In article , alan_m wrote: On 21/12/2020 06:52, jim.gm4dhj wrote: Shortages and rationing coming our way.....panic buy now ! ..... this time we need to ...... I've done mine freezers are full ..... this is the big one..... I read a few warnings to the farming communities about not taking certain livestock to market today because it was likely that there would be very low prices because exporters wouldn't be buying. It was expected that the rest of Europe may impose travel and trucking bans and to/from the UK in an effort to stop the spread of the new variant of the virus. Must admit to wondering how political this is. Is this 'new' version of Covid really just in the UK - or have we just noticed it before others? But of course limiting movement of anything and everything is likely to help contain the virus. Or all the animals stuck in lorries queuing at Dover. Maybe it doesn't matter as they were going to 'die anyway'. ;-( Cheers, T i m |
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On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 12:22:08 +0000, T i m wrote:
Must admit to wondering how political this is. Is this 'new' version of Covid really just in the UK - or have we just noticed it before others? Saw a very brief mention that this "new variant" is very similar if not the same as the one found in Mink in the Netherlands. We slammed the door on them at break neck speed compared to HMG's normal (lack of) speed in reacting to the science. Political? I think there is some element of that. But of course limiting movement of anything and everything is likely to help contain the virus. What's shutting the door for 48 hours going to do in regards the spread? SFA. Or all the animals stuck in lorries queuing at Dover. Maybe it doesn't matter as they were going to 'die anyway'. ;-( Are there any? Live export mainly goes through Ramsgate and not all live exports are for slaughter, some are for fattening. Everything living dies, it's one of the very few absolute guarantees of life. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 14:44:12 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote: snip Or all the animals stuck in lorries queuing at Dover. Maybe it doesn't matter as they were going to 'die anyway'. ;-( Are there any? Pass. I thought (hoped) it was going to be banned 'when' we leave the EU but I'm not sure when if / when that's going to happen re 'everything'. Live export mainly goes through Ramsgate and not all live exports are for slaughter, some are for fattening. Ah, that's ok then, fattening to be then set free to live out their natural lives? Everything living dies, it's one of the very few absolute guarantees of life. Sure, but hopefully after a long and natural life, not as a child (as most animals killed for their flesh are very young and getting younger (with foods and drugs) as that's better for profits). We know all about the difference after losing one of our own (and even then she was 39). ;-( Cheers, T i m |
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On 21/12/2020 14:44, Dave Liquorice wrote:
Are there any? Live export mainly goes through Ramsgate and not all live exports are for slaughter, some are for fattening. Everything living dies, it's one of the very few absolute guarantees of life. Yes but we shouldn't allow unnecessary suffering. We have a moral duty to take care of all animals. Bill |
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On 21/12/2020 11:04, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , alan_m wrote: On 21/12/2020 06:52, jim.gm4dhj wrote: Shortages and rationing coming our way.....panic buy now ! ..... this time we need to ...... I've done mine freezers are full ..... this is the big one..... I read a few warnings to the farming communities about not taking certain livestock to market today because it was likely that there would be very low prices because exporters wouldn't be buying. It was expected that the rest of Europe may impose travel and trucking bans and to/from the UK in an effort to stop the spread of the new variant of the virus. Must admit to wondering how political this is. Is this 'new' version of Covid really just in the UK - or have we just noticed it before others? But of course limiting movement of anything and everything is likely to help contain the virus. FWIW I think "Cancel Christmas" was just another government panic recognising that there would be a post holiday spike so that now they can say "we did something, it would have been worse". More intriguing is whether the French 48 hour ban is actually just a Brexit curve-ball, "See what no-deal will be like" to encourage a U turn on fish. Not from the EU, just the French being typically bloody minded. (And I like the French). |
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On 21/12/2020 14:07, newshound wrote:
More intriguing is whether the French 48 hour ban is actually just a Brexit curve-ball, "See what no-deal will be like" to encourage a U turn on fish. Not from the EU, just the French being typically bloody minded. (And I like the French). The problem with a ban now is that the transport of goods is already in somewhat of a mess because of the worldwide effects of Covid. There seems that a large percentage of the worlds transport containers are currently in the wrong places. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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On 21/12/2020 14:16, alan_m wrote:
The problem with a ban now is that the transport of goods is already in somewhat of a mess because of the worldwide effects of Covid. There seems that a large percentage of the worlds transport containers are currently in the wrong places. Indeed. Covid 19 along with third world immigration issues is a greater de globalisation tool than all the nationalist politicians put together When the ship is sailing merrily along, open the watertight doors, but close them quick when it's holed below the waterline -- €śBut what a weak barrier is truth when it stands in the way of an hypothesis!€ť Mary Wollstonecraft |
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newshound wrote: On 21/12/2020 11:04, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , alan_m wrote: On 21/12/2020 06:52, jim.gm4dhj wrote: Shortages and rationing coming our way.....panic buy now ! ..... this time we need to ...... I've done mine freezers are full ..... this is the big one..... I read a few warnings to the farming communities about not taking certain livestock to market today because it was likely that there would be very low prices because exporters wouldn't be buying. It was expected that the rest of Europe may impose travel and trucking bans and to/from the UK in an effort to stop the spread of the new variant of the virus. Must admit to wondering how political this is. Is this 'new' version of Covid really just in the UK - or have we just noticed it before others? But of course limiting movement of anything and everything is likely to help contain the virus. FWIW I think "Cancel Christmas" was just another government panic recognising that there would be a post holiday spike so that now they can say "we did something, it would have been worse". as my Rev daughter sausy "Christmas hasn't been cancelled - the parties that often go with it have been." -- from KT24 in Surrey, England "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle |
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charles wrote: FWIW I think "Cancel Christmas" was just another government panic recognising that there would be a post holiday spike so that now they can say "we did something, it would have been worse". as my Rev daughter sausy "Christmas hasn't been cancelled - the parties that often go with it have been." Be interesting to know what percentage still consider it primarily a religious festival? -- *He who laughs last, thinks slowest. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 21/12/2020 14:39, charles wrote:
as my Rev daughter sausy "Christmas hasn't been cancelled - the parties that often go with it have been." I'm not even Christian, and I recognise the sense in that. |
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On 21/12/2020 14:39, charles wrote:
In article , newshound wrote: On 21/12/2020 11:04, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , alan_m wrote: On 21/12/2020 06:52, jim.gm4dhj wrote: Shortages and rationing coming our way.....panic buy now ! ..... this time we need to ...... I've done mine freezers are full ..... this is the big one..... I read a few warnings to the farming communities about not taking certain livestock to market today because it was likely that there would be very low prices because exporters wouldn't be buying. It was expected that the rest of Europe may impose travel and trucking bans and to/from the UK in an effort to stop the spread of the new variant of the virus. Must admit to wondering how political this is. Is this 'new' version of Covid really just in the UK - or have we just noticed it before others? But of course limiting movement of anything and everything is likely to help contain the virus. FWIW I think "Cancel Christmas" was just another government panic recognising that there would be a post holiday spike so that now they can say "we did something, it would have been worse". as my Rev daughter sausy "Christmas hasn't been cancelled - the parties that often go with it have been." a sausy rev...cool |
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On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 14:07:10 +0000, newshound
wrote: snip FWIW I think "Cancel Christmas" was just another government panic recognising that there would be a post holiday spike so that now they can say "we did something, it would have been worse". I wonder what percentage of the population it will actually impact (not having whatever they would normally do for Xmyth)? More intriguing is whether the French 48 hour ban is actually just a Brexit curve-ball, "See what no-deal will be like" to encourage a U turn on fish. Not from the EU, just the French being typically bloody minded. (And I like the French). Every time I here honest talk if the whole fishing farce it seems more and more 'petty'. It only accounts for a miniscule part of our GPD. It employs many people that the Brexiteers would prefer weren't here (in all the 'processing' jobs) and much of what we catch goes to the EU anyway (and will now needs loads of paperwork) and we won't be able to afford the fish we do like that's typically bought in from the EU (apparently). At least we can still enjoy our home grown salmon. But hey, it's not just salmon, it's below welfare standards, 'factory farmed', sea lice ridden salmon ... Cheers, T i m |
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On 21/12/2020 15:23, T i m wrote:
It only accounts for a miniscule part of our GPD. And its the same for the French. It's all about political manoeuvring. The French will concede on fishing because they don't really care that much about it as long as the UK concedes on something else more important that will be of more benefit to the French and Germans. Probably measures stopping of the UK Government bailing out industries or giving favourable tax breaks to attract jobs (jobs that may otherwise go to the EU). Some EU countries don't have this problem because the companies they would have bailed out are partially owned by the state and hence it's normal investment or receipt of favourable contracts. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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