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Long story short, trying to do a better job than the bodge-it kitchen
fitter from a few years ago and wondering why I bother. Swapping a back box and socket, the earth in the 2.5 T&E has broken and i'm about 2 inches shy of the terminal. I could put another socket below on the good part of the cable with a new piece of cable between the two but i'm not sure i'd like how that looks. What are my options for joining a new piece, crimp, chock block, wago? FWIW I could 'fix' this and bury it in a way that nobody would notice without fairly major renovation but i'd rather it was 'right'. Ta. |
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On 27/08/2020 11:28, R D S wrote:
Long story short, trying to do a better job than the bodge-it kitchen fitter from a few years ago and wondering why I bother. Swapping a back box and socket, the earth in the 2.5 T&E has broken and i'm about 2 inches shy of the terminal. I could put another socket below on the good part of the cable with a new piece of cable between the two but i'm not sure i'd like how that looks. What are my options for joining a new piece, crimp, chock block, wago? FWIW I could 'fix' this and bury it in a way that nobody would notice without fairly major renovation but i'd rather it was 'right'. Ta. Simplest and safest is to crimp a length of e/w on to existing and reconnect. Job done! |
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On Thursday, 27 August 2020 11:28:57 UTC+1, R D S wrote:
What are my options for joining a new piece, crimp, chock block, wago? Can you use the earth terminal in the back box for joining the earth to the socket? If it's a plastic box replace it with one that has an earth terminal; some do, some don't. Owain |
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On Thu, 27 Aug 2020 11:28:53 +0100, R D S wrote:
Long story short, trying to do a better job than the bodge-it kitchen fitter from a few years ago and wondering why I bother. Swapping a back box and socket, the earth in the 2.5 T&E has broken and i'm about 2 inches shy of the terminal. I could put another socket below on the good part of the cable with a new piece of cable between the two but i'm not sure i'd like how that looks. What are my options for joining a new piece, crimp, chock block, wago? FWIW I could 'fix' this and bury it in a way that nobody would notice without fairly major renovation but i'd rather it was 'right'. Personally, I think you can never have too many sockets, so I would go for another socket but give a bit of thought to the best position. |
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In article ,
R D S wrote: What are my options for joining a new piece, crimp, chock block, wago? Crimp or solder joint is is usually the best option where space is tight. Although personally I'd be happy using a decent quality choc block with the conductors overlapping to both screws, and them tightened till they groan. That, after all, is no different to the connection to the socket. -- *If they arrest the Energizer Bunny, would they charge it with battery? * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Thu, 27 Aug 2020 11:28:53 +0100, R D S wrote:
Long story short, trying to do a better job than the bodge-it kitchen fitter from a few years ago and wondering why I bother. Swapping a back box and socket, the earth in the 2.5 T&E has broken and i'm about 2 inches shy of the terminal. I could put another socket below on the good part of the cable with a new piece of cable between the two but i'm not sure i'd like how that looks. What are my options for joining a new piece, crimp, chock block, wago? FWIW I could 'fix' this and bury it in a way that nobody would notice without fairly major renovation but i'd rather it was 'right'. Ta. Solder, as long as you can do it without melting insulation on other wires. |
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On 27/08/2020 11:28, R D S wrote:
Long story short, trying to do a better job than the bodge-it kitchen fitter from a few years ago and wondering why I bother. Swapping a back box and socket, the earth in the 2.5 T&E has broken and i'm about 2 inches shy of the terminal. I could put another socket below on the good part of the cable with a new piece of cable between the two but i'm not sure i'd like how that looks. What are my options for joining a new piece, crimp, chock block, wago? FWIW I could 'fix' this and bury it in a way that nobody would notice without fairly major renovation but i'd rather it was 'right'. Ta. solder heatshrink -- "And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch". Gospel of St. Mathew 15:14 |
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Was not a problem in my case I simply took the socket off and bent them away
from the bit being worked on. Brian -- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "Davidm" wrote in message ... On Thu, 27 Aug 2020 11:28:53 +0100, R D S wrote: Long story short, trying to do a better job than the bodge-it kitchen fitter from a few years ago and wondering why I bother. Swapping a back box and socket, the earth in the 2.5 T&E has broken and i'm about 2 inches shy of the terminal. I could put another socket below on the good part of the cable with a new piece of cable between the two but i'm not sure i'd like how that looks. What are my options for joining a new piece, crimp, chock block, wago? FWIW I could 'fix' this and bury it in a way that nobody would notice without fairly major renovation but i'd rather it was 'right'. Ta. Solder, as long as you can do it without melting insulation on other wires. |
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On 27/08/2020 12:32, Scott wrote:
On Thu, 27 Aug 2020 11:28:53 +0100, R D S wrote: Long story short, trying to do a better job than the bodge-it kitchen fitter from a few years ago and wondering why I bother. Swapping a back box and socket, the earth in the 2.5 T&E has broken and i'm about 2 inches shy of the terminal. I could put another socket below on the good part of the cable with a new piece of cable between the two but i'm not sure i'd like how that looks. What are my options for joining a new piece, crimp, chock block, wago? FWIW I could 'fix' this and bury it in a way that nobody would notice without fairly major renovation but i'd rather it was 'right'. Personally, I think you can never have too many sockets, so I would go for another socket but give a bit of thought to the best position. https://metro.co.uk/2019/11/03/house...reet-11033568/ |
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On 27/08/2020 14:47, Davidm wrote:
On Thu, 27 Aug 2020 11:28:53 +0100, R D S wrote: Long story short, trying to do a better job than the bodge-it kitchen fitter from a few years ago and wondering why I bother. Swapping a back box and socket, the earth in the 2.5 T&E has broken and i'm about 2 inches shy of the terminal. I could put another socket below on the good part of the cable with a new piece of cable between the two but i'm not sure i'd like how that looks. What are my options for joining a new piece, crimp, chock block, wago? FWIW I could 'fix' this and bury it in a way that nobody would notice without fairly major renovation but i'd rather it was 'right'. Ta. Solder, as long as you can do it without melting insulation on other wires. Since it is accessible, just use a single section of a choc-block to join an extra bit of CPC ?. machanically twist the two ends and use the choc-block as a 'crimp' (assuming you don't have a decent crimp). |
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On 27/08/2020 11:28, R D S wrote:
Long story short, trying to do a better job than the bodge-it kitchen fitter from a few years ago and wondering why I bother. Swapping a back box and socket, the earth in the 2.5 T&E has broken and i'm about 2 inches shy of the terminal. I could put another socket below on the good part of the cable with a new piece of cable between the two but i'm not sure i'd like how that looks. What are my options for joining a new piece, crimp, chock block, wago? FWIW I could 'fix' this and bury it in a way that nobody would notice without fairly major renovation but i'd rather it was 'right'. Ta. Solder, then heatshrink. Makes a small tidy perfect connection. Bill |
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Davidm Wrote in message:
On Thu, 27 Aug 2020 11:28:53 +0100, R D S wrote: Long story short, trying to do a better job than the bodge-it kitchen fitter from a few years ago and wondering why I bother. Swapping a back box and socket, the earth in the 2.5 T&E has broken and i'm about 2 inches shy of the terminal. I could put another socket below on the good part of the cable with a new piece of cable between the two but i'm not sure i'd like how that looks. What are my options for joining a new piece, crimp, chock block, wago? FWIW I could 'fix' this and bury it in a way that nobody would notice without fairly major renovation but i'd rather it was 'right'. Ta. Solder, as long as you can do it without melting insulation on other wires. Not much on an earth wire? -- Jimk ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 27/08/2020 11:28, R D S wrote:
Long story short, trying to do a better job than the bodge-it kitchen fitter from a few years ago and wondering why I bother. Swapping a back box and socket, the earth in the 2.5 T&E has broken and i'm about 2 inches shy of the terminal. I could put another socket below on the good part of the cable with a new piece of cable between the two but i'm not sure i'd like how that looks. What are my options for joining a new piece, crimp, chock block, wago? Yes, yes, & yes :-) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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In article ,
williamwright wrote: On 27/08/2020 11:28, R D S wrote: Long story short, trying to do a better job than the bodge-it kitchen fitter from a few years ago and wondering why I bother. Swapping a back box and socket, the earth in the 2.5 T&E has broken and i'm about 2 inches shy of the terminal. I could put another socket below on the good part of the cable with a new piece of cable between the two but i'm not sure i'd like how that looks. What are my options for joining a new piece, crimp, chock block, wago? FWIW I could 'fix' this and bury it in a way that nobody would notice without fairly major renovation but i'd rather it was 'right'. Ta. Solder, then heatshrink. Makes a small tidy perfect connection. Do you need that heatshrink on an ECC, which should be sleeved anyway? -- *One nice thing about egotists: they don't talk about other people. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 27/08/2020 18:10, John Rumm wrote:
On 27/08/2020 11:28, R D S wrote: Long story short, trying to do a better job than the bodge-it kitchen fitter from a few years ago and wondering why I bother. Swapping a back box and socket, the earth in the 2.5 T&E has broken and i'm about 2 inches shy of the terminal. I could put another socket below on the good part of the cable with a new piece of cable between the two but i'm not sure i'd like how that looks. What are my options for joining a new piece, crimp, chock block, wago? Yes, yes, & yes :-) Rewire entire house with this stuff - https://www.meteorelectrical.com/cab...able-100m.html to be sure, to be sure ... |
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On Fri, 28 Aug 2020 13:36:26 +0100, Andrew
wrote: On 27/08/2020 18:10, John Rumm wrote: On 27/08/2020 11:28, R D S wrote: Long story short, trying to do a better job than the bodge-it kitchen fitter from a few years ago and wondering why I bother. Swapping a back box and socket, the earth in the 2.5 T&E has broken and i'm about 2 inches shy of the terminal. I could put another socket below on the good part of the cable with a new piece of cable between the two but i'm not sure i'd like how that looks. What are my options for joining a new piece, crimp, chock block, wago? Yes, yes, & yes :-) Rewire entire house with this stuff - https://www.meteorelectrical.com/cab...able-100m.html to be sure, to be sure ... Are the regulations in RoI same as UK? |
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On Friday, 28 August 2020 14:21:57 UTC+1, Scott wrote:
Are the regulations in RoI same as UK? No. Similar but not the same. I think most of Europe uses insulated cpc in cables. Owain |
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On 27/08/2020 11:28, R D S wrote:
Long story short, trying to do a better job than the bodge-it kitchen fitter from a few years ago and wondering why I bother. Who today, as it happens, I learned is a paedophile with numerous convictions and has served time since 'fitting'* our kitchen. The people you invite into your home eh? FFS. *I sent him packing 3 weeks into the job (of fitting a kitchen roughly 3 square metres), his incompetence was remarkable. |
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On 28/08/2020 17:36, Scott wrote:
On Fri, 28 Aug 2020 07:59:08 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Friday, 28 August 2020 14:21:57 UTC+1, Scott wrote: Are the regulations in RoI same as UK? No. Similar but not the same. I think most of Europe uses insulated cpc in cables. Interesting. Looking again, it says: RoHS approved BASEC and BS6004 approved 100 metre coil. Insulated earth which meets regualtions in the Republic of Ireland. This implies the earth needs to be insulated in RoI but not in UK. Why is this? What is the point of insulating the earth - unless maybe in case someone connects it to the live by mistake. However, does insulating it not make such mistake more likely as at present the earth is clearly distinguishable by *not* being insulated. Is an insulated earth permitted in the UK? Dunno. I always thought the uninsulated earth in T&E was so that, if a screw or nail went through it and nicked the insulation on live, there was a good chance it would catch the earth and so trip the circuit one way or the other. |
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On 28/08/2020 17:36, Scott wrote:
On Fri, 28 Aug 2020 07:59:08 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Friday, 28 August 2020 14:21:57 UTC+1, Scott wrote: Are the regulations in RoI same as UK? No. Similar but not the same. I think most of Europe uses insulated cpc in cables. Interesting. Looking again, it says: RoHS approved BASEC and BS6004 approved 100 metre coil. Insulated earth which meets regualtions in the Republic of Ireland. This implies the earth needs to be insulated in RoI but not in UK. Why is this? What is the point of insulating the earth - unless maybe in case someone connects it to the live by mistake. However, does insulating it not make such mistake more likely as at present the earth is clearly distinguishable by *not* being insulated. Is an insulated earth permitted in the UK? Can't see why not - you sleeve it whenever its exposed anyway, so it just saves a job (but increases the price). (the 18A rating for the cable seems wrong for 2.5mm^2 T&E) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On Friday, 28 August 2020 17:36:23 UTC+1, Scott wrote:
On Fri, 28 Aug 2020 07:59:08 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Friday, 28 August 2020 14:21:57 UTC+1, Scott wrote: Are the regulations in RoI same as UK? No. Similar but not the same. I think most of Europe uses insulated cpc in cables. Interesting. Looking again, it says: RoHS approved BASEC and BS6004 approved 100 metre coil. Insulated earth which meets regualtions in the Republic of Ireland. This implies the earth needs to be insulated in RoI but not in UK. Why is this? What is the point of insulating the earth - unless maybe in case someone connects it to the live by mistake. However, does insulating it not make such mistake more likely as at present the earth is clearly distinguishable by *not* being insulated. Is an insulated earth permitted in the UK? I wonder if you might be making the mistake of thinking there must be a good sensible reason for regulations. If there is one for insulating the CPC, it's a mystery to me. NT |
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wrote: I wonder if you might be making the mistake of thinking there must be a good sensible reason for regulations. If there is one for insulating the CPC, it's a mystery to me. Careless paging of the conductors when fitting a socket, etc? Although we manage OK without for many years. -- *Someday, we'll look back on this, laugh nervously and change the subject Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Saturday, 29 August 2020 14:24:54 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , tabbypurr wrote: I wonder if you might be making the mistake of thinking there must be a good sensible reason for regulations. If there is one for insulating the CPC, it's a mystery to me. Careless paging of the conductors when fitting a socket, etc? Although we manage OK without for many years. I don't know what that means. |
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On 29/08/2020 13:45, wrote:
On Friday, 28 August 2020 17:36:23 UTC+1, Scott wrote: On Fri, 28 Aug 2020 07:59:08 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Friday, 28 August 2020 14:21:57 UTC+1, Scott wrote: Are the regulations in RoI same as UK? No. Similar but not the same. I think most of Europe uses insulated cpc in cables. Interesting. Looking again, it says: RoHS approved BASEC and BS6004 approved 100 metre coil. Insulated earth which meets regualtions in the Republic of Ireland. This implies the earth needs to be insulated in RoI but not in UK. Why is this? What is the point of insulating the earth - unless maybe in case someone connects it to the live by mistake. However, does insulating it not make such mistake more likely as at present the earth is clearly distinguishable by *not* being insulated. Is an insulated earth permitted in the UK? I wonder if you might be making the mistake of thinking there must be a good sensible reason for regulations. If there is one for insulating the CPC, it's a mystery to me. There is no benefit to insulating its full length in the cable that I can see, but there are sound reasons for insulating it at the point of use. Otherwise there is a real risk that when dressing wires into an enclosure the CPC will make contact with live or neutral. The former is annoying but relatively easy to fix, the latter creating a latent fault that may be lurking and causing grief for years. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 27/08/2020 11:28, R D S wrote:
Long story short, trying to do a better job than the bodge-it kitchen fitter from a few years ago and wondering why I bother. Swapping a back box and socket, the earth in the 2.5 T&E has broken and i'm about 2 inches shy of the terminal. I could put another socket below on the good part of the cable with a new piece of cable between the two but i'm not sure i'd like how that looks. What are my options for joining a new piece, crimp, chock block, wago? FWIW I could 'fix' this and bury it in a way that nobody would notice without fairly major renovation but i'd rather it was 'right'. Ta. slightly polish the end of copper to make sure clean and solder on same c/s area piece of copper wire with around 30mm overlap, then sleeve it. |
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