Anyone else think they'd look a bit 'industrial' (or office) in a kitchen?

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On 12/10/2019 14:48, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Anyone else think they'd look a bit 'industrial' (or office) in a kitchen?


No but I do think a kitchen, bathroom or hallway with multiple
down-lighters looks naff. I also think that the fad for butler sinks
and wooden draining boards makes a kitchen look if it desperately needs
modernising. The same with those impractical sinks that sit on top of
bathroom worktops.


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On 12/10/2019 14:48, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Anyone else think they'd look a bit 'industrial' (or office) in a kitchen?


+1.

I don't think you can beat a Mazda Netaline.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zAzsMFn1j8

LED conversion is optional:-)

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote

Anyone else think they'd look a bit 'industrial' (or office) in a kitchen?

Nope, look fine to me. Tho with most of the kitchen
I prefer under cupboard led strips which give much
better lighting for the work surfaces. Doesn’t work
for the island bench tho. I'd prefer a modular led
panel for the island bench extending the entire
length of the island bench but that’s not going
to be cheap with current led panels and since
the Hue system doesn’t have led panels yet,
I currently have led strip suspended from the
ceiling at a bit over head height for that.

I don’t have lighting above the cupboards
reflecting off a white ceiling because I prefer
the look of cupboards going right up to the
ceiling even if the top shelves don’t get used.

But then I never gave a damn about what
looks a bit industrial or office and had
normal double tube fluoros before the leds.

ARW wrote:
On 12/10/2019 14:48, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Anyone else think they'd look a bit 'industrial' (or office) in a kitchen?


+1.

I don't think you can beat a Mazda Netaline.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zAzsMFn1j8

LED conversion is optional:-)


A lovely bit of design.

Tim

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On Sun, 13 Oct 2019 05:12:50 +1100, ZakJames, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:


Anyone else think they'd look a bit 'industrial' (or office) in a kitchen?

Nope, look fine to me.

NOBODY asked you ANYTHING, senile asshole troll from Oz! LOL

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alan_m wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote

Anyone else think they'd look a bit 'industrial' (or office) in a
kitchen?

No but I do think a kitchen, bathroom or hallway with multiple
down-lighters looks naff.

Yeah, me too. Tho you can certainly claim that I might not
be the one to talk given that the original house design
done in the very early 70s had twin tube fluoros recessed
into the ceiling right throughout the entire house with
a translucent plastic panel visible in the room. And I
then added PAR38 floods in the main room and those
with a movement sensor in the bathroom/laundry.

I also think that the fad for butler sinks and wooden draining boards
makes a kitchen look if it desperately needs modernising.

True. Stainless steel double sink there for me. I wont
post a photo because that would certainly kill Pam.

The same with those impractical sinks that sit on top of bathroom
worktops.

Yeah, I have those very narrow china basins in the
separate dunnys. The basins look fine, but the
exposed waste piping doesnt.

"ARW" wrote in message
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On 12/10/2019 14:48, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Anyone else think they'd look a bit 'industrial' (or office) in a
kitchen?


+1.

I don't think you can beat a Mazda Netaline.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zAzsMFn1j8

Wonder why you never hear anyone talk like that anymore, either one.

LED conversion is optional:-)

On Sun, 13 Oct 2019 08:56:49 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


No but I do think a kitchen, bathroom or hallway with multiple
down-lighters looks naff.

Yeah, me too.

NOBODY gives a ****, obnoxious trolling senile cretin!

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On Sun, 13 Oct 2019 09:09:11 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


Wonder why you never hear anyone talk like that anymore, either one.

You'd better wonder you got NOBODY in real life to talk to, you clinically
insane cantankerous asshole troll!

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In article ,
alan_m wrote:
On 12/10/2019 14:48, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Anyone else think they'd look a bit 'industrial' (or office) in a kitchen?


No but I do think a kitchen, bathroom or hallway with multiple
down-lighters looks naff. I also think that the fad for butler sinks
and wooden draining boards makes a kitchen look if it desperately needs
modernising. The same with those impractical sinks that sit on top of
bathroom worktops.

Luckily we all have different tastes. Thing would be very boring otherwise.

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On 13/10/2019 11:57, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
alan_m wrote:
On 12/10/2019 14:48, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Anyone else think they'd look a bit 'industrial' (or office) in a kitchen?


No but I do think a kitchen, bathroom or hallway with multiple
down-lighters looks naff. I also think that the fad for butler sinks
and wooden draining boards makes a kitchen look if it desperately needs
modernising. The same with those impractical sinks that sit on top of
bathroom worktops.

Luckily we all have different tastes. Thing would be very boring otherwise.


Sometimes it's not just taste but from lessons learnt or from experience
of similar.

As I get older I find that I prefer a brighter "daylight" type light,
especially for reading and anywhere that I'm working.

As for basins on top of worktops I've seen these installed in workplace
toilets where they are only used for washing hands and noticed an
amazing amount of water ends up on the worktop rather than in the basin.
I hate to think how much water would end up on the work surface when
washing other body parts

My latest mistake was made a few years ago when purchasing a replacement
toilet suite. Rather than the traditional shape the toilet pan has a
large horizontal ledge before a drop into the water. When seated the
**** tends to land on this flat bit for inspection and leaves skid marks
when flushing unless a bit of paper is placed in the porcelain first.
Whats worse is splash back. Its OK if you manage a strong steam into the
hole but the dribbles hit a near horizontal surface a few inches below
the rim and splashes back up and sideways in all directions. If I'd
had previous experience of this type of design I wouldn't have purchased
it!

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On 13/10/2019 12:29, alan_m wrote:


My latest mistake was made a few years ago when purchasing a replacement
toilet suite. Rather than the traditional shape the toilet pan has a
large horizontal ledge before a drop into the water. When seated the
**** tends to land on this flat bit for inspection and leaves skid marks
when flushing unless a bit of paper is placed in the porcelain first.
Whats worse is splash back. Its OK if you manage a strong steam into the
hole but the dribbles hit a near horizontal surface a few inches below
the rim and splashes back up and sideways in all directions. Â* If I'd
had previous experience of this type of design I wouldn't have purchased
it!

That style is (or used to be) popular on the continent.

I suppose it is handy when you reach the age for DIY bowel cancer
screening. Although the new kit is much nicer than the old three
cardboard sticks.

In article ,
alan_m wrote:
Luckily we all have different tastes. Thing would be very boring
otherwise.


Sometimes it's not just taste but from lessons learnt or from experience
of similar.

As I get older I find that I prefer a brighter "daylight" type light,
especially for reading and anywhere that I'm working.

Well, in a kitchen, you could concentrate that over the work surfaces.
Rather than flood the entire room.

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In article ,
newshound wrote:
On 13/10/2019 12:29, alan_m wrote:


My latest mistake was made a few years ago when purchasing a
replacement toilet suite. Rather than the traditional shape the
toilet pan has a large horizontal ledge before a drop into the water.
When seated the **** tends to land on this flat bit for inspection
and leaves skid marks when flushing unless a bit of paper is placed
in the porcelain first. Whats worse is splash back. Its OK if you
manage a strong steam into the hole but the dribbles hit a near
horizontal surface a few inches below the rim and splashes back up
and sideways in all directions. If I'd had previous experience of
this type of design I wouldn't have purchased it!

That style is (or used to be) popular on the continent.

I suppose it is handy when you reach the age for DIY bowel cancer
screening. Although the new kit is much nicer than the old three
cardboard sticks.

That's when a bidet comes in handy. Some kitchen paper on it - then easy
to transfer to the loo after getting the samples.

Not had the new style kit yet.

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alan_m wrote:

As I get older I find that I prefer a brighter "daylight" type light,
especially for reading and anywhere that I'm working.

Yep, my garage has "daylight" fluoros, and my study has "daylight" LEDs
everywhere else (inside and out) has warm white.

ARW wrote:

I don't think you can beat a Mazda Netaline.

Some friends bought an house that hadn't been refurbish since the 60's,
still had one in use, not sure if they kept it ...

On 13/10/2019 14:15, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

That's when a bidet comes in handy. Some kitchen paper on it - then easy
to transfer to the loo after getting the samples.

Not had the new style kit yet.


The kit I had early in the year still had the 3 cardboard sticks.

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On Sun, 13 Oct 2019 13:20:30 +0100, newshound wrote:

On 13/10/2019 12:29, alan_m wrote:


My latest mistake was made a few years ago when purchasing a
replacement toilet suite. Rather than the traditional shape the toilet
pan has a large horizontal ledge before a drop into the water. When
seated the **** tends to land on this flat bit for inspection and
leaves skid marks when flushing unless a bit of paper is placed in the
porcelain first. Whats worse is splash back. Its OK if you manage a
strong steam into the hole but the dribbles hit a near horizontal
surface a few inches below the rim and splashes back up and sideways in
all directions. Â* If I'd had previous experience of this type of
design I wouldn't have purchased it!

That style is (or used to be) popular on the continent.

I suppose it is handy when you reach the age for DIY bowel cancer
screening. Although the new kit is much nicer than the old three
cardboard sticks.

It is indeed. Got (and used) mine about a month ago.


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Bob Eager wrote:
On Sun, 13 Oct 2019 13:20:30 +0100, newshound wrote:

On 13/10/2019 12:29, alan_m wrote:


My latest mistake was made a few years ago when purchasing a
replacement toilet suite. Rather than the traditional shape the toilet
pan has a large horizontal ledge before a drop into the water. When
seated the **** tends to land on this flat bit for inspection and
leaves skid marks when flushing unless a bit of paper is placed in the
porcelain first. Whats worse is splash back. Its OK if you manage a
strong steam into the hole but the dribbles hit a near horizontal
surface a few inches below the rim and splashes back up and sideways in
all directions. Â* If I'd had previous experience of this type of
design I wouldn't have purchased it!

That style is (or used to be) popular on the continent.

I suppose it is handy when you reach the age for DIY bowel cancer
screening. Although the new kit is much nicer than the old three
cardboard sticks.

It is indeed. Got (and used) mine about a month ago.



Got mine on Wednesday and chucked it in the bin. Having had a colonoscopy
on Tuesday it seemed a bit superfluous. ;-)

(Incidentally, chucking the kit was done with the agreement of the bowel
screening folk).

Tim

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On 13/10/2019 14:47, Andy Burns wrote:
ARW wrote:

I don't think you can beat a Mazda Netaline.

Some friends bought an house that hadn't been refurbish since the 60's,
still had one in use, not sure if they kept it ...


I did a rewire of a house that had a new owner.

He said "And get rid or that"

I did. I sold it for £50.

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"Andy Burns" wrote in message
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alan_m wrote:

As I get older I find that I prefer a brighter "daylight" type light,
especially for reading and anywhere that I'm working.

Yep, my garage has "daylight" fluoros, and my study has "daylight" LEDs
everywhere else (inside and out) has warm white.

I hated the first Hue warm white leds, very yellow, even tho
I did prefer PAR38 floods inside the house to daylight fluoros.

I put the Hue warm whites in the less used rooms like the
bedroom and the beer storage room and replaced them
with what Hue calls white ambience which can be set to
any color temp you like, and set them to as white as I can.

Dont even notice the warm white in the bedroom anymore
even I use that every single day. I dont read in bed anymore
tho, prefer ebooks with the easy dictionary and google and
dont find that reading ebooks in bed works as well.

On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 06:12:54 +1100, ZakJames, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:


I hated the first Hue warm white leds

But NOBODY talked to you, senile cretin! Just why do you keep telling
everyone that bull****? Because people on Usenet can't as easily get away
from you as in real life? EG

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alan_m wrote:

On 13/10/2019 14:15, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Not had the new style kit yet.

The kit I had early in the year still had the 3 cardboard sticks.

Just had the new one - a slim liquid-filled container from which
you remove a thin plastic rod with a grooved end. Rub it on your
saved deposit and pop it back into the container. Simples!

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alan_m wrote:

Dave Plowman wrote:

That's when a bidet comes in handy. Some kitchen paper on it - then easy
to transfer to the loo after getting the samples.
Not had the new style kit yet.

The kit I had early in the year still had the 3 cardboard sticks.

I've just received my first bowel cancer screening invite, no cardboard
sticks around here, apparently they will post an enema to be "applied"
an hour before the appointment with a video camera up the bum, that'll
be interesting as the hospital is almost an hour's drive away ...

Andy Burns wrote:
alan_m wrote:

Dave Plowman wrote:

That's when a bidet comes in handy. Some kitchen paper on it - then easy
to transfer to the loo after getting the samples.
Not had the new style kit yet.

The kit I had early in the year still had the 3 cardboard sticks.

I've just received my first bowel cancer screening invite, no cardboard
sticks around here, apparently they will post an enema to be "applied"
an hour before the appointment with a video camera up the bum, that'll
be interesting as the hospital is almost an hour's drive away ...


Sounds like a half arsed approach. I really cant see you getting adequate
bowel clearance in that time and without proper clearance they cant do a
proper scope. Where is this happening?

Tim

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
newshound wrote:

I suppose it is handy when you reach the age for DIY bowel cancer
screening. Although the new kit is much nicer than the old three
cardboard sticks.

That's when a bidet comes in handy. Some kitchen paper on it - then easy
to transfer to the loo after getting the samples.


Who needs a bidet? Couple of sheets of loo paper in your hand and then
reach under and pinch off a lump as it emerges. Cant get much simpler or
less messy than that.

Tim

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Tim+ wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

I've just received my first bowel cancer screening invite, no cardboard
sticks around here, apparently they will post an enema to be "applied"
an hour before the appointment with a video camera up the bum, that'll
be interesting as the hospital is almost an hour's drive away ...

Sounds like a half arsed approach.

This is just from the first leaflet they've sent, apparently they will
send more info in a couple of months, if I choose to go ahead

I really cant see you getting adequate bowel clearance in that time

They do say allow for up to half a day from start to finish

and without proper clearance they cant do a proper scope. Where is
this happening?

QMC Nottingham

On 14/10/2019 15:59, Tim+ wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:
alan_m wrote:

Dave Plowman wrote:

That's when a bidet comes in handy. Some kitchen paper on it - then easy
to transfer to the loo after getting the samples.
Not had the new style kit yet.

The kit I had early in the year still had the 3 cardboard sticks.

I've just received my first bowel cancer screening invite, no cardboard
sticks around here, apparently they will post an enema to be "applied"
an hour before the appointment with a video camera up the bum, that'll
be interesting as the hospital is almost an hour's drive away ...


Yep, same here. When I explained this to them it'll now involve arriving
30 minuted before the scope, when they'll enemyse me.

I'd add that 2 pals I've discussed this with won't go through screening
because of this self-enema thing - I'm not that happy with it, TBH. I
discussed this with them, and they said the 24 hour orally taken enema
is for a different type of colonscopy.

Sounds like a half arsed approach. I really cant see you getting adequate
bowel clearance in that time and without proper clearance they cant do a
proper scope. Where is this happening?


Exactly what happened to a friend - they couldn't get a proper view
because of it.


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RJH wrote:

2 pals I've discussed this with won't go through screening because of
this self-enema thing - I'm not that happy with it, TBH.

I think I'd prefer to get there early and let them do it ...

I discussed this with them, and they said the 24 hour orally taken
enema is for a different type of colonscopy.

Picolax is the one I've heard horror stories about ...

On 14/10/2019 16:49, Andy Burns wrote:
RJH wrote:

2 pals I've discussed this with won't go through screening because of
this self-enema thing - I'm not that happy with it, TBH.

I think I'd prefer to get there early and let them do it ...


Same here - in fairness, they have offered - but that's more because I'm
over an hour away I think.

I discussed this with them, and they said the 24 hour orally taken
enema is for a different type of colonscopy.

Picolax is the one I've heard horror stories about ...

Ug. Clyssie is the one they sent me, that I don't intend to use.

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Andy Burns wrote:

Tim+ wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

I've just received my first bowel cancer screening invite, no cardboard
sticks around here, apparently they will post an enema to be "applied"
an hour before the appointment with a video camera up the bum, that'll
be interesting as the hospital is almost an hour's drive away ...

Sounds like a half arsed approach.

This is just from the first leaflet they've sent, apparently they will
send more info in a couple of months, if I choose to go ahead

I really cant see you getting adequate bowel clearance in that time

They do say allow for up to half a day from start to finish

and without proper clearance they cant do a proper scope. Where is
this happening?

QMC Nottingham

Thinking about, you probably are having a less invasive procedure, namely
sigmoidoscopy rather than full colonoscopy. Lower bowel prep is
appropriate for that. I jumped to conclusions.

Tim



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Tim+ wrote:

you probably are having a less invasive procedure, namely
sigmoidoscopy rather than full colonoscopy. Lower bowel prep is
appropriate for that.

That seems to agree with their cartoon explanation ...

On 14/10/2019 15:53, Andy Burns wrote:
alan_m wrote:

Dave Plowman wrote:

That's when a bidet comes in handy. Some kitchen paper on it - then easy
to transfer to the loo after getting the samples.
Not had the new style kit yet.

The kit I had early in the year still had the 3 cardboard sticks.

I've just received my first bowel cancer screening invite, no cardboard
sticks around here, apparently they will post an enema to be "applied"
an hour before the appointment with a video camera up the bum, that'll
be interesting as the hospital is almost an hour's drive away ...

New method for youngsters (55+). Don't they give you a choice? I imagine
many would prefer to take samples at home, even if it is every two
years. This method is once-and-for-all. What if you live to be 95? Can
they really be sure that the absence of polyps at 55 guarantees you will
be clear for the rest of your life?

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Max Demian wrote:

New method for youngsters (55+).

yes, I'm 55

Don't they give you a choice?

I can opt-out of the enema and camera up the bum, if so then they won't
contact me about it again, but I can request it any time until I'm 60

I imagine
many would prefer to take samples at home, even if it is every two
years. This method is once-and-for-all. What if you live to be 95? Can
they really be sure that the absence of polyps at 55 guarantees you will
be clear for the rest of your life?

On 14/10/2019 15:53, Andy Burns wrote:
alan_m wrote:

Dave Plowman wrote:

That's when a bidet comes in handy. Some kitchen paper on it - then easy
to transfer to the loo after getting the samples.
Not had the new style kit yet.

The kit I had early in the year still had the 3 cardboard sticks.

I've just received my first bowel cancer screening invite, no cardboard
sticks around here, apparently they will post an enema to be "applied"
an hour before the appointment with a video camera up the bum, that'll
be interesting as the hospital is almost an hour's drive away ...
Err, this is a DIY forum so you could use a USB endoscope ... (not a
serious suggestion)

ZakJames has brought this to us :
Nope, look fine to me. Tho with most of the kitchen
I prefer under cupboard led strips which give much
better lighting for the work surfaces. Doesnt work
for the island bench tho. I'd prefer a modular led
panel for the island bench extending the entire
length of the island bench but thats not going
to be cheap with current led panels and since
the Hue system doesnt have led panels yet,
I currently have led strip suspended from the
ceiling at a bit over head height for that.

I've fitted a couple of these..

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/253999720189

...to replace a couple of recessed downlighters. I was left with a 5"
diameter hole in the ceiling, so I made up some circular panels to
mount the LED's onto. They are intended for surface mount, with a
supplied base /socket, which they just click into, so very quick to
replace in case of failures.

They claim 120 degree spread and I woud not dispute that, but they do
need a high ceiling to avoid being directly in your eyeline.

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message ...
ZakJames has brought this to us :
Nope, look fine to me. Tho with most of the kitchen
I prefer under cupboard led strips which give much
better lighting for the work surfaces. Doesnt work
for the island bench tho. I'd prefer a modular led
panel for the island bench extending the entire
length of the island bench but thats not going
to be cheap with current led panels and since
the Hue system doesnt have led panels yet,
I currently have led strip suspended from the
ceiling at a bit over head height for that.

I've fitted a couple of these..

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/253999720189

I dont like those because the island bench is long rectangular, 20'x 4'

..to replace a couple of recessed downlighters. I was left with a 5"
diameter hole in the ceiling, so I made up some circular panels to mount
the LED's onto. They are intended for surface mount, with a supplied base
/socket, which they just click into, so very quick to replace in case of
failures.

They claim 120 degree spread and I woud not dispute that, but they do need
a high ceiling to avoid being directly in your eyeline.

I have the led strip for the island bench at around the under cupboard
height off the work bench, but with no cupboard above it. Works fine.

On Wed, 16 Oct 2019 04:14:03 +1100, ZakJames, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

FLUSH senile asshole's latest troll****

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On 12/10/2019 19:23, Tim+ wrote:
ARW wrote:
On 12/10/2019 14:48, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Anyone else think they'd look a bit 'industrial' (or office) in a kitchen?


+1.

I don't think you can beat a Mazda Netaline.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zAzsMFn1j8

LED conversion is optional:-)


A lovely bit of design.

Tim


Snip at 79 shillings and 9 pence (tax paid).

Why not 79 bob and 11 pence though ?.

£4 in 1960 is just over £90 now though :-(