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Earlier I asked about downlighters and several replies suggested LED
panels, having experimented with a few types of downlighters I'm
unimpressed so want to explore the options with LED panels. The problem
is that it's not possible to look at them in shops, or to pick one up
(cheaply) to experiment with, so I hope there's a bit more experience
with them out there in uk.d-i-y.

The circular panels penetrate the ceiling but I can't find any mention
of them being "fire rated", are there any that are? If not, what do
people do?
It seems that some (most?) of the rectangular and square panels can sit
under an unbroken ceiling, which would be wise because when one fails it
probably won't be easy to find a replacement to fit into a girt big hole.
What are people's experiences with these panels?
Prices seem to vary from tens of pounds to hundreds for similar light
output. I'm loath to fork out for two or three at £150, or so, each.
Are there any makes/models to look for or avoid?
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I have just installed a LED panel in our kitchen, it rated at 4000K and gives a very pleasant even light. The panel came complete with driver which connected to the panel by a short plugged lead. Most of the panels come in standard sizes designed to be fitted into the frames of suspended ceilings, the most common sizes are 600×600, 1200×600 and ours 1200×300.. If you are surface mounting then you need a mounting frame and most suppliers usually stock one to suit.

We bought ours from here

https://www.wholesaleledlights.co.uk/

As mentioned we are very pleased with the light output, I was less impressed with the frame which is flimsy to put up and not as accurately engineered.. It's up now and from ground level looks fine.

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On 11/10/2019 10:14, wrote:
Earlier I asked about downlighters and several replies suggested LED
panels, having experimented with a few types of downlighters I'm
unimpressed so want to explore the options with LED panels. The problem
is that it's not possible to look at them in shops, or to pick one up
(cheaply) to experiment with, so I hope there's a bit more experience
with them out there in uk.d-i-y.

The circular panels penetrate the ceiling but I can't find any mention
of them being "fire rated", are there any that are? If not, what do
people do?
It seems that some (most?) of the rectangular and square panels can sit
under an unbroken ceiling, which would be wise because when one fails it
probably won't be easy to find a replacement to fit into a girt big hole.
What are people's experiences with these panels?
Prices seem to vary from tens of pounds to hundreds for similar light
output. I'm loath to fork out for two or three at £150, or so, each.
Are there any makes/models to look for or avoid?


You can get surface mounting frames for most of them, so they can be
installed without a false ceiling etc, and no need for a big lump out of
the fire break. e.g.:

https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_In...200/index.html


(reports from a mate of mine who has one like that over a workbench are
very favourable - bright even shadow free illumination)


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On 11/10/2019 14:44, John Rumm wrote:
On 11/10/2019 10:14, wrote:
Earlier I asked about downlighters and several replies suggested LED
panels, having experimented with a few types of downlighters I'm
unimpressed so want to explore the options with LED panels. The
problem is that it's not possible to look at them in shops, or to pick
one up (cheaply) to experiment with, so I hope there's a bit more
experience with them out there in uk.d-i-y.

The circular panels penetrate the ceiling but I can't find any mention
of them being "fire rated", are there any that are? If not, what do
people do?
It seems that some (most?) of the rectangular and square panels can
sit under an unbroken ceiling, which would be wise because when one
fails it probably won't be easy to find a replacement to fit into a
girt big hole.
What are people's experiences with these panels?
Prices seem to vary from tens of pounds to hundreds for similar light
output. I'm loath to fork out for two or three at £150, or so, each.
Are there any makes/models to look for or avoid?


You can get surface mounting frames for most of them, so they can be
installed without a false ceiling etc, and no need for a big lump out of
the fire break. e.g.:

https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_In...200/index.html


(reports from a mate of mine who has one like that over a workbench are
very favourable - bright even shadow free illumination)


I thought that looks a bit expensive; then I spotted how big and
powerful it was! It would certainly improve my kitchen, but I think I'd
want a dimmable one for the adjacent dining area.


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I thought that looks a bit expensive; then I spotted how big and
powerful it was! It would certainly improve my kitchen, but I think I'd
want a dimmable one for the adjacent dining area.


https://www.lampshoponline.com/led/led-panels/1200x600-led-panel/72w-led-panel-1200mm-x-600mm-triac-dimmable-8464.html
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On 11/10/2019 14:44, John Rumm wrote:
On 11/10/2019 10:14, wrote:
Earlier I asked about downlighters and several replies suggested LED
panels, having experimented with a few types of downlighters I'm
unimpressed so want to explore the options with LED panels. The
problem is that it's not possible to look at them in shops, or to pick
one up (cheaply) to experiment with, so I hope there's a bit more
experience with them out there in uk.d-i-y.

The circular panels penetrate the ceiling but I can't find any mention
of them being "fire rated", are there any that are? If not, what do
people do?
It seems that some (most?) of the rectangular and square panels can
sit under an unbroken ceiling, which would be wise because when one
fails it probably won't be easy to find a replacement to fit into a
girt big hole.
What are people's experiences with these panels?
Prices seem to vary from tens of pounds to hundreds for similar light
output. I'm loath to fork out for two or three at £150, or so, each.
Are there any makes/models to look for or avoid?


You can get surface mounting frames for most of them, so they can be
installed without a false ceiling etc, and no need for a big lump out of
the fire break. e.g.:


They often come with a separate driver (power source - switched mode
power supply) which has to be fitted somewhere. The panel has a short
lead and socket.

For my bathroom 300mm x 300mm (surface mount) panel I installed the
power supply (and junction box to replace the old ceiling rose) in the
loft and just ran the low voltage cable/plug through the hole in the
ceiling. My panel came with a rigid aluminium frame with 4 keyhole type
holes. 4 screws in the ceiling with heads that fit through the wider
part of the keyhole and the panel just slides into place.

I also have some round surface mounted panels where with a bit of
careful planning the power supply/driver sits in the fitting within the
*enclosed) gap between the panel and the ceiling. Again they don't fit
to a ceiling rose so some alternative method of connecting existing
wires has to be adopted. In my case I did some minor modifications to
the cheap and nasty fixing bracket to which the panel assembly fixes to.


Some fitting ideas (depending on what you purchase)
https://cdn2.ledhut.co.uk/media/prod...tionManual.pdf

https://www.ledhut.co.uk/18w-300x300...ver-5000k.html

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On 11/10/2019 14:59, newshound wrote:
On 11/10/2019 14:44, John Rumm wrote:
On 11/10/2019 10:14, wrote:
Earlier I asked about downlighters and several replies suggested LED
panels, having experimented with a few types of downlighters I'm
unimpressed so want to explore the options with LED panels. The
problem is that it's not possible to look at them in shops, or to
pick one up (cheaply) to experiment with, so I hope there's a bit
more experience with them out there in uk.d-i-y.

The circular panels penetrate the ceiling but I can't find any
mention of them being "fire rated", are there any that are? If not,
what do people do?
It seems that some (most?) of the rectangular and square panels can
sit under an unbroken ceiling, which would be wise because when one
fails it probably won't be easy to find a replacement to fit into a
girt big hole.
What are people's experiences with these panels?
Prices seem to vary from tens of pounds to hundreds for similar light
output. I'm loath to fork out for two or three at £150, or so, each.
Are there any makes/models to look for or avoid?


You can get surface mounting frames for most of them, so they can be
installed without a false ceiling etc, and no need for a big lump out
of the fire break. e.g.:

https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_In...200/index.html


(reports from a mate of mine who has one like that over a workbench
are very favourable - bright even shadow free illumination)


I thought that looks a bit expensive; then I spotted how big and
powerful it was! It would certainly improve my kitchen, but I think I'd
want a dimmable one for the adjacent dining area.


They do a 600x600 version which is smaller / cheaper etc. Still 3600
lumens though.

https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_In...ars/index.html


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On 11/10/2019 10:40, Tricky Dicky wrote:
I have just installed a LED panel in our kitchen, it rated at 4000K and gives a very pleasant even light. The panel came complete with driver which connected to the panel by a short plugged lead. Most of the panels come in standard sizes designed to be fitted into the frames of suspended ceilings, the most common sizes are 600×600, 1200×600 and ours 1200×300. If you are surface mounting then you need a mounting frame and most suppliers usually stock one to suit.

We bought ours from here

https://www.wholesaleledlights.co.uk/

As mentioned we are very pleased with the light output, I was less impressed with the frame which is flimsy to put up and not as accurately engineered. It's up now and from ground level looks fine.

Richard

Thanks.
OOI, what size is the kitchen and what's the output of the panel? - some
of the panels on the website seem not to spec the light output. Also, do
you know what the CRI spec is?

I've seen different figures for daylight colour temperature, ranging
from 4000K to 7000K - how would you rate the colour?
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On 11/10/2019 14:44, John Rumm wrote:
On 11/10/2019 10:14, wrote:
Earlier I asked about downlighters and several replies suggested LED
panels, having experimented with a few types of downlighters I'm
unimpressed so want to explore the options with LED panels. The
problem is that it's not possible to look at them in shops, or to pick
one up (cheaply) to experiment with, so I hope there's a bit more
experience with them out there in uk.d-i-y.

The circular panels penetrate the ceiling but I can't find any mention
of them being "fire rated", are there any that are? If not, what do
people do?
It seems that some (most?) of the rectangular and square panels can
sit under an unbroken ceiling, which would be wise because when one
fails it probably won't be easy to find a replacement to fit into a
girt big hole.
What are people's experiences with these panels?
Prices seem to vary from tens of pounds to hundreds for similar light
output. I'm loath to fork out for two or three at £150, or so, each.
Are there any makes/models to look for or avoid?


You can get surface mounting frames for most of them, so they can be
installed without a false ceiling etc, and no need for a big lump out of
the fire break. e.g.:

https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_In...200/index.html


(reports from a mate of mine who has one like that over a workbench are
very favourable - bright even shadow free illumination)


Thanks.
I've been concerned about taking the plunge without trying but have just
seen that they, and others, accept returns (with a possible 15% stocking
charge and postage) so this seems like a fairly low cost way to explore
and not be stuck with a £100 panel.


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On 11/10/2019 14:59, newshound wrote:
On 11/10/2019 14:44, John Rumm wrote:
On 11/10/2019 10:14, wrote:
Earlier I asked about downlighters and several replies suggested LED
panels, having experimented with a few types of downlighters I'm
unimpressed so want to explore the options with LED panels. The
problem is that it's not possible to look at them in shops, or to
pick one up (cheaply) to experiment with, so I hope there's a bit
more experience with them out there in uk.d-i-y.

The circular panels penetrate the ceiling but I can't find any
mention of them being "fire rated", are there any that are? If not,
what do people do?
It seems that some (most?) of the rectangular and square panels can
sit under an unbroken ceiling, which would be wise because when one
fails it probably won't be easy to find a replacement to fit into a
girt big hole.
What are people's experiences with these panels?
Prices seem to vary from tens of pounds to hundreds for similar light
output. I'm loath to fork out for two or three at £150, or so, each.
Are there any makes/models to look for or avoid?


You can get surface mounting frames for most of them, so they can be
installed without a false ceiling etc, and no need for a big lump out
of the fire break. e.g.:

https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_In...200/index.html


(reports from a mate of mine who has one like that over a workbench
are very favourable - bright even shadow free illumination)


I thought that looks a bit expensive; then I spotted how big and
powerful it was! It would certainly improve my kitchen, but I think I'd
want a dimmable one for the adjacent dining area.


I think we'll want 4 or 6 panels for light distribution (there's a steel
beam in the way), and also so that we aren't stuffed if (when!) one
fails, so 600x300 and 2000-3000 lumens/panel is starting to feel like
the starting point, with a colour temp at least 4000K and CRI of at
least 80.
Life was easier when we fitted a ceiling rose and bought a pendant bulb
holder, a 100W bulb and a lampshade! Which reminds me, I tried to buy
some ES pendant lampholders the other day but none of the usual culprits
seem to stock them, yet many LED bulbs are ES or SES.
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On 11/10/2019 15:30, alan_m wrote:
On 11/10/2019 14:44, John Rumm wrote:
On 11/10/2019 10:14, wrote:
Earlier I asked about downlighters and several replies suggested LED
panels, having experimented with a few types of downlighters I'm
unimpressed so want to explore the options with LED panels. The
problem is that it's not possible to look at them in shops, or to
pick one up (cheaply) to experiment with, so I hope there's a bit
more experience with them out there in uk.d-i-y.

The circular panels penetrate the ceiling but I can't find any
mention of them being "fire rated", are there any that are? If not,
what do people do?
It seems that some (most?) of the rectangular and square panels can
sit under an unbroken ceiling, which would be wise because when one
fails it probably won't be easy to find a replacement to fit into a
girt big hole.
What are people's experiences with these panels?
Prices seem to vary from tens of pounds to hundreds for similar light
output. I'm loath to fork out for two or three at £150, or so, each.
Are there any makes/models to look for or avoid?


You can get surface mounting frames for most of them, so they can be
installed without a false ceiling etc, and no need for a big lump out
of the fire break. e.g.:


They often come with a separate driver (power source - switched mode
power supply) which has to be fitted somewhere. The panel has a short
lead and socket.

For my bathroom 300mm x 300mm (surface mount) panel I installed the
power supply (and junction box to replace the old ceiling rose) in the
loft and just ran the low voltage cable/plug through the hole in the
ceiling. My panel came with a rigid aluminium frame with 4 keyhole type
holes. 4 screws in the ceiling with heads that fit through the wider
part of the keyhole and the panel just slides into place.

I also have some round surface mounted panels where with a bit of
careful planning the power supply/driver sits in the fitting within the
*enclosed) gap between the panel and the ceiling. Again they don't fit
to a ceiling rose so some alternative method of connecting existing
wires has to be adopted. In my case I did some minor modifications to
the cheap and nasty fixing bracket to which the panel assembly fixes to.


Some fitting ideas (depending on what you purchase)
https://cdn2.ledhut.co.uk/media/prod...tionManual.pdf


https://www.ledhut.co.uk/18w-300x300...ver-5000k.html


Thanks.
I see that some panels are advertised with a "flicker-free driver",
which makes me wonder whether the others flicker ...

The round surface mount lights seem to be about 70mm, much more than the
square/rectangular panels.
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On 11/10/2019 15:06, Andy Burns wrote:
newshound wrote:

I thought that looks a bit expensive; then I spotted how big and
powerful it was! It would certainly improve my kitchen, but I think
I'd want a dimmable one for the adjacent dining area.


https://www.lampshoponline.com/led/led-panels/1200x600-led-panel/72w-led-panel-1200mm-x-600mm-triac-dimmable-8464.html


The other one looks more interesting

https://www.lampshoponline.com/dali-...m-x-600mm.html

You need the manuals to see what exactly they mean by interfaces and
where do the drop down menus appear.
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The other one looks more interesting
https://www.lampshoponline.com/dali-...m-x-600mm.html


Yes, the DALI one took my eye first, as I'm considering that for a
new-build, but I guess most people would prefer a trailing-edge dimmer,
they also do 0-10V dimming.

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On 11/10/2019 16:39, dennis@home wrote:
On 11/10/2019 15:06, Andy Burns wrote:
newshound wrote:

I thought that looks a bit expensive; then I spotted how big and
powerful it was! It would certainly improve my kitchen, but I think
I'd want a dimmable one for the adjacent dining area.


https://www.lampshoponline.com/led/led-panels/1200x600-led-panel/72w-led-panel-1200mm-x-600mm-triac-dimmable-8464.html


The other one looks more interesting

https://www.lampshoponline.com/dali-...m-x-600mm.html


You need the manuals to see what exactly they mean by interfaces and
where do the drop down menus appear.

Ahem! I think "drop down menu" refers to the order page, rather than a
control interface. ;-)


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On 2019-10-11 1:02 p.m., Steve Walker wrote:
On 11/10/2019 10:14, wrote:
Earlier I asked about downlighters and several replies suggested LED
panels, having experimented with a few types of downlighters I'm
unimpressed so want to explore the options with LED panels. The
problem is that it's not possible to look at them in shops, or to
pick one up (cheaply) to experiment with, so I hope there's a bit
more experience with them out there in uk.d-i-y.

The circular panels penetrate the ceiling but I can't find any
mention of them being "fire rated", are there any that are? If not,
what do people do?
It seems that some (most?) of the rectangular and square panels can
sit under an unbroken ceiling, which would be wise because when one
fails it probably won't be easy to find a replacement to fit into a
girt big hole.

It probably won't be a problem with square or rectangular ones. Many
panels are likely to be standard sizes, to directly fit in place of
the tiles in office suspended ceilings.

SteveW


you can get ceiling tile up to size 4 by 8 ,
you can cut them easily into any shape


Yes, but most office lighting comes in standard sizes that match the
sizes of lift-out tiles that are commonly used. It doesn't matter that
you can get much larger tiles, the common tile sizes and the matching
lights don't change.

SteveW


they're easy to cut i'm looking up at my ceiling right now it's tiles
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On 2019-10-11 1:24 p.m., Steve Walker wrote:
On 11/10/2019 21:07, % wrote:
On 2019-10-11 1:02 p.m., Steve Walker wrote:
On 11/10/2019 10:14, wrote:
Earlier I asked about downlighters and several replies suggested
LED panels, having experimented with a few types of downlighters
I'm unimpressed so want to explore the options with LED panels. The
problem is that it's not possible to look at them in shops, or to
pick one up (cheaply) to experiment with, so I hope there's a bit
more experience with them out there in uk.d-i-y.

The circular panels penetrate the ceiling but I can't find any
mention of them being "fire rated", are there any that are? If not,
what do people do?
It seems that some (most?) of the rectangular and square panels can
sit under an unbroken ceiling, which would be wise because when one
fails it probably won't be easy to find a replacement to fit into a
girt big hole.

It probably won't be a problem with square or rectangular ones. Many
panels are likely to be standard sizes, to directly fit in place of
the tiles in office suspended ceilings.

SteveW

you can get ceiling tile up to size 4 by 8 ,
you can cut them easily into any shape


Yes, but most office lighting comes in standard sizes that match the
sizes of lift-out tiles that are commonly used. It doesn't matter that
you can get much larger tiles, the common tile sizes and the matching
lights don't change.

SteveW


they're easy to cut i'm looking up at my ceiling right now it's tiles


But the point is the opposite. It doesn't matter that the tiles are easy
to cut. What matters is that there are some standard sizes and that
lighting panel sizes match them. That means that if such a light is
installed in a plasterboard ceiling and it fails, a replacement that
will fit into exactly the same hole will be easy to find.

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I think we'll want 4 or 6 panels for light distribution (there's a
steel beam in the way), and also so that we aren't stuffed if (when!)
one fails, so 600x300 and 2000-3000 lumens/panel is starting to feel
like the starting point, with a colour temp at least 4000K and CRI of
at least 80.
Life was easier when we fitted a ceiling rose and bought a pendant
bulb holder, a 100W bulb and a lampshade! Which reminds me, I tried to
buy some ES pendant lampholders the other day but none of the usual
culprits seem to stock them, yet many LED bulbs are ES or SES.


Ikea do a fitting with several ES bulb holders on, you just cut the
cable off at what length you want and throw the other bit in the use
later bin.

https://www.ikea.com/gb/en/p/hemma-t...hite-10325659/

Thanks, I hadn't thought of that. The nearest Ikea is a couple of hours
away so it will need to wait until we are heading in that direction for
something else.
they also do a smart LED panel

https://www.ikea.com/gb/en/p/floalt-...trum-40436316/


which can be dimmed and has warm to daylight settings using the tradfri
system or hue.

I don't feel comfortable with the idea of lighting being dependant on
wireless or remote control. I just want it to work when I operate a switch.



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Earlier I asked about downlighters and several replies suggested LED
panels, having experimented with a few types of downlighters I'm
unimpressed so want to explore the options with LED panels. The problem
is that it's not possible to look at them in shops, or to pick one up
(cheaply) to experiment with, so I hope there's a bit more experience
with them out there in uk.d-i-y.

The circular panels penetrate the ceiling but I can't find any mention
of them being "fire rated", are there any that are? If not, what do
people do?
It seems that some (most?) of the rectangular and square panels can sit
under an unbroken ceiling, which would be wise because when one fails it
probably won't be easy to find a replacement to fit into a girt big hole.
What are people's experiences with these panels?
Prices seem to vary from tens of pounds to hundreds for similar light
output. I'm loath to fork out for two or three at £150, or so, each.
Are there any makes/models to look for or avoid?


Has anyone tried the ones available in Lidl from Thursday 3rd October?
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https://www.ikea.com/gb/en/p/floalt-...trum-40436316/


which can be dimmed and has warm to daylight settings using the
tradfri system or hue.

I don't feel comfortable with the idea of lighting being dependant on
wireless or remote control. I just want it to work when I operate a switch.


They usually do, if you turn them off they usually default to 100% on
and whatever colour you set them to. They also usually have some way of
dimming them by switching on and off and on.
The manual can be download on the Ikea site if you want to take a look.

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they also do a smart LED panel

https://www.ikea.com/gb/en/p/floalt-...trum-40436316/

which can be dimmed and has warm to daylight settings using the tradfri
system or hue.

I don't feel comfortable with the idea of lighting being dependant on
wireless or remote control. I just want it to work when I operate a switch.


I view most of these 'smart' items as an added layer of unreliability and
faf.
If I want to turn on the CH just before I get up (times vary and, for most
of the year, there's solar gain in the morning, so timer is set to 10:00h) I
can take the 'stat upstairs and press one button. If that breaks then crude,
manual, control is an option.
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On 12/10/2019 12:46, wrote:
On 11/10/2019 19:09, dennis@home wrote:


they also do a smart LED panel

https://www.ikea.com/gb/en/p/floalt-...trum-40436316/


which can be dimmed and has warm to daylight settings using the
tradfri system or hue.


I don't feel comfortable with the idea of lighting being dependant on
wireless or remote control. I just want it to work when I operate a switch.


Remote control can be ok but it can also have its downsides...

I placed RGB LED tape lighting on the top of my bookcase and media
unit[1] such that you can illuminate the white ceiling for some soft
reflected light. I find for movie watching setting the one behind me on
a low level and set to a yellow/orangy light is just right for some
background lighting.

They are controlled by a small IR remote. The selectivity of the
receiver is narrow enough that the one remote will control each
independently just by pointing the the general direction of the right
one. The only fly in the ointment is there is remote control code
overlap with my Oppo blueray player. Pause a disc, and the lights go
cyan, eject one, and they go into colour cycling disco mode!

[1]

This one behind the sofa:

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/...e_and_cupboard

and

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/...n_media_centre

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John Rumm formulated on Friday :
They do a 600x600 version which is smaller / cheaper etc. Still 3600 lumens
though.

https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_In...ars/index.html


https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_f...light&_sacat=0
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On 12/10/2019 12:46, wrote:
On 11/10/2019 19:09, dennis@home wrote:


they also do a smart LED panel

https://www.ikea.com/gb/en/p/floalt-...trum-40436316/

which can be dimmed and has warm to daylight settings using the tradfri
system or hue.


I don't feel comfortable with the idea of lighting being dependant on
wireless or remote control. I just want it to work when I operate a
switch.


Remote control can be ok but it can also have its downsides...

I placed RGB LED tape lighting on the top of my bookcase and media unit[1]
such that you can illuminate the white ceiling for some soft reflected
light. I find for movie watching setting the one behind me on a low level
and set to a yellow/orangy light is just right for some background
lighting.

They are controlled by a small IR remote. The selectivity of the receiver
is narrow enough that the one remote will control each independently just
by pointing the the general direction of the right one. The only fly in
the ointment is there is remote control code overlap with my Oppo blueray
player. Pause a disc, and the lights go cyan, eject one, and they go into
colour cycling disco mode!

[1]

This one behind the sofa:

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/...e_and_cupboard

and

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/...n_media_centre


Not a problem with a fully integrated system like Hue/Homekit.

Trivial to program the remote so it only ever does what you want.

Main current lack is decent led flat panels.

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On 12/10/2019 12:53, polygonum_on_google wrote:
On Friday, 11 October 2019 10:14:59 UTC+1, wrote:
Earlier I asked about downlighters and several replies suggested LED
panels, having experimented with a few types of downlighters I'm
unimpressed so want to explore the options with LED panels. The problem
is that it's not possible to look at them in shops, or to pick one up
(cheaply) to experiment with, so I hope there's a bit more experience
with them out there in uk.d-i-y.

The circular panels penetrate the ceiling but I can't find any mention
of them being "fire rated", are there any that are? If not, what do
people do?
It seems that some (most?) of the rectangular and square panels can sit
under an unbroken ceiling, which would be wise because when one fails it
probably won't be easy to find a replacement to fit into a girt big hole.
What are people's experiences with these panels?
Prices seem to vary from tens of pounds to hundreds for similar light
output. I'm loath to fork out for two or three at £150, or so, each.
Are there any makes/models to look for or avoid?


Has anyone tried the ones available in Lidl from Thursday 3rd October?


No, but how about CPC?

https://tinyurl.com/y3lxnghl

and

https://tinyurl.com/y6cmqef6

As they are mail order, you can return them under the distance selling
regulations.

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On Saturday, 12 October 2019 21:25:24 UTC+1, Steve Walker wrote:
On 12/10/2019 12:53, polygonum_on_google wrote:
On Friday, 11 October 2019 10:14:59 UTC+1, wrote:
Earlier I asked about downlighters and several replies suggested LED
panels, having experimented with a few types of downlighters I'm
unimpressed so want to explore the options with LED panels. The problem
is that it's not possible to look at them in shops, or to pick one up
(cheaply) to experiment with, so I hope there's a bit more experience
with them out there in uk.d-i-y.

The circular panels penetrate the ceiling but I can't find any mention
of them being "fire rated", are there any that are? If not, what do
people do?
It seems that some (most?) of the rectangular and square panels can sit
under an unbroken ceiling, which would be wise because when one fails it
probably won't be easy to find a replacement to fit into a girt big hole.
What are people's experiences with these panels?
Prices seem to vary from tens of pounds to hundreds for similar light
output. I'm loath to fork out for two or three at £150, or so, each.
Are there any makes/models to look for or avoid?


Has anyone tried the ones available in Lidl from Thursday 3rd October?


No, but how about CPC?

https://tinyurl.com/y3lxnghl

and

https://tinyurl.com/y6cmqef6

As they are mail order, you can return them under the distance selling
regulations.

SteveW


I see the first one, at least, says No Longer Stocked (though they have quite a few in stock). Doesn't engender confidence.

I actually got a Lidl one on the basis of returning but wanted to ask before using it at all (easier to take back whilst still sealed up).
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ARW wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

https://www.wholesaleledlights.co.uk/led-ceiling-lights/led-panel-lights/recessed-panel-lights/6w-led-panel-light-450-lumens.html


"Add to this the fact that it comes complete with its own dedicated
transformer":-)

I fitted the PSU in the garage remote from the light in the porch.
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ARW wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

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"Add to this the fact that it comes complete with its own dedicated
transformer":-)


I fitted the PSU in the garage remote from the light in the porch.


Was it a transformer or driver.

And yes I noticed you said PSU.

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Andy Burns wrote:

I fitted the PSU in the garage remote from the light in the porch.


Was it a transformer or driver.

And yes I noticed you said PSU.


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