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I bought an LED outside light less than 3 years ago from Homebase.
It was white and less obtrusive against our white walls. Recently it started to barely glow. My electrician, as friend for over 50 years popped i to deliver something. I showed him the lamp which he had fitted. He laughed and said 'you need to get a new one'. The original came in a sealed unit so couldn't be repaired. He will no longer supply them because so many are unreliable. He mentioned a brand that he claimed was more reliable than most but I could not find it on the web so purchased one that claimed that it was water- proof. I should have come here first and sought advice but I reckon I am losing it. -- Mint 19.1, kernel 4.15.0-55-generic, Cinnamon 4.0.9 running on an AMD Phenom II X4 Black edition. |
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I bought an LED outside light less than 3 years ago from Homebase. It was white and less obtrusive against our white walls. Recently it started to barely glow. My electrician, as friend for over 50 years popped i to deliver something. I showed him the lamp which he had fitted. He laughed and said 'you need to get a new one'. The original came in a sealed unit so couldn't be repaired. He will no longer supply them because so many are unreliable. He mentioned a brand that he claimed was more reliable than most but I could not find it on the web so purchased one that claimed that it was water- proof. I should have come here first and sought advice but I reckon I am losing it. I've had one of the Lucky Golden Hedgehog LEDs, they tend to be underpowered compared to the claim on the box, and tend to have an earth wire flapping around unattached inside. I swapped to an "iSpot", only had it a couple of years, but it seems much more well made than the cheapo, the PSU is on-board with the LED, whole case heatsink is massive. https://www.ryness.co.uk/30w-ispot-c-led-floodlight-in-black?variant=14491 I don't think I paid anything like that price for it, but Screwfix have stopped stocking them for some reason, so far no problems with it (apart from a fairly short mains cable on it). |
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I have recently installed two of these and their 30W big brother and can recommend them. My reasons for choosing is they are completely waterproof IP65, they come with a short length of cable attached with waterproof gland so no worrying about making a waterproof connection hanging off a ladder. The cable entry is in the bottom edge and as I wanted them to be nearer horizontal than vertical means added protection from ingress. If like me you want to have them pointed downwards then I suggest you use a separate PIR, the ones that come with an attached PIR are often difficult to angle either the lamp or the PIR.
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On 10/08/2019 17:19, Tricky Dicky wrote:
I have recently installed two of these and their 30W big brother and can recommend them. My reasons for choosing is they are completely waterproof IP65, they come with a short length of cable attached with waterproof gland so no worrying about making a waterproof connection hanging off a ladder. The cable entry is in the bottom edge and as I wanted them to be nearer horizontal than vertical means added protection from ingress. If like me you want to have them pointed downwards then I suggest you use a separate PIR, the ones that come with an attached PIR are often difficult to angle either the lamp or the PIR. Richard I've fitted this type that appears to work well https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/LTUSF10MCW.html They come in 10, 30 or 50W versions The function can be changed by a remote control. The light flashes once to acknowledge a change of function and the last function selected is remembered even if the power is removed. It has a inbuilt microwave motion sensor. The whole light fitting is slim/small. However it only comes with a very short fitted cable and I've used a waterproof connector to connect it to the mains https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/WPQC1.html -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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On 10/08/2019 16:52, Andy Burns wrote:
I don't think I paid anything like that price for it, but Screwfix have stopped stocking them for some reason, so far no problems with it (apart from a fairly short mains cable on it). I fitted a couple of screwfix ones a little while ago, ended up going inside the box to fit a new mains lead and on one of them the original earth connection failed (dry soldered to an internal screw). That might be why Screwfix are being more careful). |
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"pinnerite" wrote in message ... I bought an LED outside light less than 3 years ago from Homebase. It was white and less obtrusive against our white walls. Recently it started to barely glow. My electrician, as friend for over 50 years popped i to deliver something. I showed him the lamp which he had fitted. He laughed and said 'you need to get a new one'. The original came in a sealed unit so couldn't be repaired. He will no longer supply them because so many are unreliable. He mentioned a brand that he claimed was more reliable than most but I could not find it on the web so purchased one that claimed that it was water- proof. I should have come here first and sought advice but I reckon I am losing it. Hm, I've got a sealed for life LED lamp in my kitchen, admittedly on a switch Hope that I get better than 3 years out of it. It came from B&Q and I think it was what appears to be their "own" brand "Colours" tim |
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Oooops! Forgot to include the relevent URL in the last post
https://www.cef.co.uk/catalogue/prod...ht-4000k-black Richard |
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o.uk: On 10/08/2019 16:52, Andy Burns wrote: I don't think I paid anything like that price for it, but Screwfix have stopped stocking them for some reason, so far no problems with it (apart from a fairly short mains cable on it). I fitted a couple of screwfix ones a little while ago, ended up going inside the box to fit a new mains lead and on one of them the original earth connection failed (dry soldered to an internal screw). That might be why Screwfix are being more careful). Make sure you mount them to dazzle other people!!! |
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On Saturday, 10 August 2019 23:06:44 UTC+1, tim... wrote:
"pinnerite" wrote in message ... I bought an LED outside light less than 3 years ago from Homebase. It was white and less obtrusive against our white walls. Recently it started to barely glow. My electrician, as friend for over 50 years popped i to deliver something. I showed him the lamp which he had fitted. He laughed and said 'you need to get a new one'. The original came in a sealed unit so couldn't be repaired. He will no longer supply them because so many are unreliable. He mentioned a brand that he claimed was more reliable than most but I could not find it on the web so purchased one that claimed that it was water- proof. I should have come here first and sought advice but I reckon I am losing it. Hm, I've got a sealed for life LED lamp in my kitchen, admittedly on a switch Hope that I get better than 3 years out of it. It came from B&Q and I think it was what appears to be their "own" brand "Colours" tim Why do people buy light fittings with bulbs they can't change? |
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On 11/08/2019 08:47, Brian Gaff wrote:
Seems to me that nobody wants to build to last due to the way the sheds and other vendors make the price margin so low. IE if they were allowed to make them better, then they would be more expensive but last much longer. Its the planned obsolescence thing again. I've noticed the same with most things, insulated mugs, portable radios and all sorts. Brian My Smiths industries bulkhead light with PIR, bought in 1986 is still working fine. These days I have connected it via a 3pin plug with a cheap mechanical timer, so it is only energised from 6pm to 6am, otherwise it uses 20 watts of power all through the day as well. |
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On Saturday, 10 August 2019 23:06:44 UTC+1, tim... wrote: "pinnerite" wrote in message ... I bought an LED outside light less than 3 years ago from Homebase. It was white and less obtrusive against our white walls. Recently it started to barely glow. My electrician, as friend for over 50 years popped i to deliver something. I showed him the lamp which he had fitted. He laughed and said 'you need to get a new one'. The original came in a sealed unit so couldn't be repaired. He will no longer supply them because so many are unreliable. He mentioned a brand that he claimed was more reliable than most but I could not find it on the web so purchased one that claimed that it was water- proof. I should have come here first and sought advice but I reckon I am losing it. Hm, I've got a sealed for life LED lamp in my kitchen, admittedly on a switch Hope that I get better than 3 years out of it. It came from B&Q and I think it was what appears to be their "own" brand "Colours" tim Why do people buy light fittings with bulbs they can't change? Because the concept of a "bulb" belongs to a time when the light emitting part of a luminaire was a short life relatively cheap to make encapsulated hot wire. Now that the light emitting part is an electronic component with many other components to control it and makes up a significant fraction of the cost to the whole fitting, the idea of a separate bulb is completely obsolete. Not least because it imposes artificial restrictions of size and cost on the electronics. There is no reason why a light fitting should not have the same life as any other electronic consumer device, and no reason at all why you should expect to replace part of it rather than the whole. -- Roger Hayter |
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tim Why do people buy light fittings with bulbs they can't change? If there are no user - servicable parts then hatches and seals, etc are not needed and the cost should be lower. |
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On 11/08/2019 11:01, Roger Hayter wrote:
wrote: On Saturday, 10 August 2019 23:06:44 UTC+1, tim... wrote: "pinnerite" wrote in message ... I bought an LED outside light less than 3 years ago from Homebase. It was white and less obtrusive against our white walls. Recently it started to barely glow. My electrician, as friend for over 50 years popped i to deliver something. I showed him the lamp which he had fitted. He laughed and said 'you need to get a new one'. The original came in a sealed unit so couldn't be repaired. He will no longer supply them because so many are unreliable. He mentioned a brand that he claimed was more reliable than most but I could not find it on the web so purchased one that claimed that it was water- proof. I should have come here first and sought advice but I reckon I am losing it. Hm, I've got a sealed for life LED lamp in my kitchen, admittedly on a switch Hope that I get better than 3 years out of it. It came from B&Q and I think it was what appears to be their "own" brand "Colours" tim Why do people buy light fittings with bulbs they can't change? Because the concept of a "bulb" belongs to a time when the light emitting part of a luminaire was a short life relatively cheap to make encapsulated hot wire. Now that the light emitting part is an electronic component with many other components to control it and makes up a significant fraction of the cost to the whole fitting, the idea of a separate bulb is completely obsolete. Not least because it imposes artificial restrictions of size and cost on the electronics. There is no reason why a light fitting should not have the same life as any other electronic consumer device, and no reason at all why you should expect to replace part of it rather than the whole. Against which it made it simple to market vast ranges of lamps in many different designs and powers using a relatively small number bulbs; for those bulbs to be replaced easily by end-users; and for end users to keep a stock of them as spares if they wished. Compa a. nonagenarian pensioner has ceiling pendant with B22 bulb. Bulb fails. Neighbour (herself in her 70s) stands on kitchen steps and replaces it. Cost: £7. (She bought it at Tesco.) b. octogenarian pensioner has a LED lamp fitted by a handyman. It fails after 2 years. No family, neighbours etc nearby comfortable with unscrewing, disconnecting and wiring in a replacement. So another job for the handyman. Cost (with lamp) over £50. (Not London!) (These are not fictional examples.) -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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On 11/08/2019 11:22, Robin wrote:
On 11/08/2019 11:01, Roger Hayter wrote: wrote: On Saturday, 10 August 2019 23:06:44 UTC+1, tim...Â* wrote: "pinnerite" wrote in message ... I bought an LED outside light less than 3 years ago from Homebase. It was whiteÂ* and less obtrusiveÂ* against our white walls. Recently it started to barely glow. My electrician, as friend for over 50 years popped i to deliver something. I showed him the lamp which he had fitted. He laughed and said 'you need to get a new one'. The original came in a sealed unit so couldn't be repaired. He will no longer supply them because so many are unreliable. He mentioned a brand that he claimed was more reliable than most but I could not find it on the web so purchased one that claimed that it was water- proof. I should have come here first and sought advice but I reckon I am losing it. Hm, I've got a sealed for life LED lamp in my kitchen, admittedly on a switch Hope that I get better than 3 years out of it. It came from B&Q and I think it was what appears to be their "own" brand "Colours" tim Why do people buy light fittings with bulbs they can't change? Because the concept of a "bulb" belongs to a time when the light emitting part of a luminaire was a short life relatively cheap to make encapsulated hot wire.Â*Â* Now that the light emitting part is an electronic component with many other components to control it and makes up a significant fraction of the cost to the whole fitting, the idea of a separate bulb is completely obsolete.Â*Â* Not least because it imposes artificial restrictions of size and cost on the electronics.Â* There is no reason why a light fitting should not have the same life as any other electronic consumer device, and no reason at all why you should expect to replace part of it rather than the whole. Against which it made it simple to market vast ranges of lamps in many different designs and powers using a relatively small number bulbs; for those bulbs to be replaced easily by end-users; and for end users to keep a stock of them as spares if they wished. Compa a.Â*Â*Â* nonagenarian pensioner has ceiling pendant with B22 bulb. Bulb fails. Neighbour (herself in her 70s) stands on kitchen steps and replaces it. Cost: £7.Â* (She bought it at Tesco.) b.Â*Â*Â* octogenarian pensioner has a LED lamp fitted by a handyman.Â* It fails after 2 years.Â* No family, neighbours etc nearby comfortable with unscrewing, disconnecting and wiring in a replacement.Â* So another job for the handyman.Â* Cost (with lamp) over £50.Â* (Not London!) (These are not fictional examples.) No reason you can't fit a suitable plug and socket to allow the fitting to be easily replaced if desired. |
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On 11/08/2019 11:01, Roger Hayter wrote: wrote: On Saturday, 10 August 2019 23:06:44 UTC+1, tim... wrote: "pinnerite" wrote in message ... I bought an LED outside light less than 3 years ago from Homebase. It was white and less obtrusive against our white walls. Recently it started to barely glow. My electrician, as friend for over 50 years popped i to deliver something. I showed him the lamp which he had fitted. He laughed and said 'you need to get a new one'. The original came in a sealed unit so couldn't be repaired. He will no longer supply them because so many are unreliable. He mentioned a brand that he claimed was more reliable than most but I could not find it on the web so purchased one that claimed that it was water- proof. I should have come here first and sought advice but I reckon I am losing it. Hm, I've got a sealed for life LED lamp in my kitchen, admittedly on a switch Hope that I get better than 3 years out of it. It came from B&Q and I think it was what appears to be their "own" brand "Colours" tim Why do people buy light fittings with bulbs they can't change? Because the concept of a "bulb" belongs to a time when the light emitting part of a luminaire was a short life relatively cheap to make encapsulated hot wire. Now that the light emitting part is an electronic component with many other components to control it and makes up a significant fraction of the cost to the whole fitting, the idea of a separate bulb is completely obsolete. Not least because it imposes artificial restrictions of size and cost on the electronics. There is no reason why a light fitting should not have the same life as any other electronic consumer device, and no reason at all why you should expect to replace part of it rather than the whole. Against which it made it simple to market vast ranges of lamps in many different designs and powers using a relatively small number bulbs; for those bulbs to be replaced easily by end-users; and for end users to keep a stock of them as spares if they wished. Compa a. nonagenarian pensioner has ceiling pendant with B22 bulb. Bulb fails. Neighbour (herself in her 70s) stands on kitchen steps and replaces it. Cost: £7. (She bought it at Tesco.) Cost of hip replacement and aftercare; 10,000-250,000 pounds. Not fictional either. b. octogenarian pensioner has a LED lamp fitted by a handyman. It fails after 2 years. No family, neighbours etc nearby comfortable with unscrewing, disconnecting and wiring in a replacement. So another job for the handyman. Cost (with lamp) over £50. (Not London!) (These are not fictional examples.) -- Roger Hayter |
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On 11/08/2019 11:06, DerbyBorn wrote:
tim Why do people buy light fittings with bulbs they can't change? If there are no user - servicable parts then hatches and seals, etc are not needed and the cost should be lower. With LED (and previous energy saving) technologies the electronic parts, including the LED, need to be kept cool. Traditional light bulb shapes/fittings are not the best of environments to keep the electronics cool. More modern LEDS lights may have circuits that monitor temperatures and reduce the light output in order to maintain lower temperatures. With many LED floodlights the LED is directly bolted to the metal casing which acts as a large heat-sink. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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On Sunday, 11 August 2019 11:01:26 UTC+1, Roger Hayter wrote:
tabbypurr wrote: Why do people buy light fittings with bulbs they can't change? Because the concept of a "bulb" belongs to a time when the light emitting part of a luminaire was a short life relatively cheap to make still is encapsulated hot wire. Now that the light emitting part is an electronic component with many other components to control it and makes up a significant fraction of the cost to the whole fitting, the idea of a separate bulb is completely obsolete. not even remotely. Not least because it imposes artificial restrictions of size and cost on the electronics. There is no reason why a light fitting should not have the same life as any other electronic consumer device, and no reason at all why you should expect to replace part of it rather than the whole. Let's see. Each time the Led fails I can replace the Led with a new one for £3, or if I were fool enough to fall for what you claim one can buy a new £20 unit and pay an electrician £50 to replace the thing each time. Which do you think is smarter? NT |
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On Sunday, 11 August 2019 12:39:33 UTC+1, Roger Hayter wrote:
Cost of hip replacement and aftercare; 10,000-250,000 pounds. Not fictional either. Is it perhaps time we stopped putting rock hard floors in new builds that do this? Performance floors aren't hard to fit or expensive. And is it perhaps time for nonogenarians to wear some sort of foam thing around their more fragile bits? Or some sort of personal airbag? And is it not time the NHS got more informed about bone health? It seems to me we're still in the cave era on this. NT |
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On Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:13:08 UTC+1, alan_m wrote:
On 11/08/2019 11:06, DerbyBorn wrote: NT: Why do people buy light fittings with bulbs they can't change? If there are no user - servicable parts then hatches and seals, etc are not needed and the cost should be lower. With LED (and previous energy saving) technologies the electronic parts, including the LED, need to be kept cool. Traditional light bulb shapes/fittings are not the best of environments to keep the electronics cool. More modern LEDS lights may have circuits that monitor temperatures and reduce the light output in order to maintain lower temperatures. With many LED floodlights the LED is directly bolted to the metal casing which acts as a large heat-sink. The extra cooling is a useful feature, but it should not eclipse the far more useful feature of bulb replacement costing £3 not £70. NT |
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On Sunday, 11 August 2019 12:39:33 UTC+1, Roger Hayter wrote: Cost of hip replacement and aftercare; 10,000-250,000 pounds. Not fictional either. Is it perhaps time we stopped putting rock hard floors in new builds that do this? Performance floors aren't hard to fit or expensive. And is it perhaps time for nonogenarians to wear some sort of foam thing around their more fragile bits? Or some sort of personal airbag? And is it not time the NHS got more informed about bone health? It seems to me we're still in the cave era on this. NT All good suggestions but the original postulate was climbing on a chair to replace a light bulb - as though that were an *advantage* of replaceable bulbs! -- Roger Hayter |
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On Sunday, 11 August 2019 23:46:50 UTC+1, Roger Hayter wrote:
tabbypurr wrote: On Sunday, 11 August 2019 12:39:33 UTC+1, Roger Hayter wrote: Cost of hip replacement and aftercare; 10,000-250,000 pounds. Not fictional either. Is it perhaps time we stopped putting rock hard floors in new builds that do this? Performance floors aren't hard to fit or expensive. And is it perhaps time for nonogenarians to wear some sort of foam thing around their more fragile bits? Or some sort of personal airbag? And is it not time the NHS got more informed about bone health? It seems to me we're still in the cave era on this. NT All good suggestions but the original postulate was climbing on a chair to replace a light bulb - as though that were an *advantage* of replaceable bulbs! Obviously it is. What fool thinks it better to pay someone else £70 to change the bulb for them? This discussion is too silly to continue with. NT |
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On 11/08/2019 23:46, Roger Hayter wrote:
wrote: On Sunday, 11 August 2019 12:39:33 UTC+1, Roger Hayter wrote: Cost of hip replacement and aftercare; 10,000-250,000 pounds. Not fictional either. Is it perhaps time we stopped putting rock hard floors in new builds that do this? Performance floors aren't hard to fit or expensive. And is it perhaps time for nonogenarians to wear some sort of foam thing around their more fragile bits? Or some sort of personal airbag? And is it not time the NHS got more informed about bone health? It seems to me we're still in the cave era on this. NT All good suggestions but the original postulate was climbing on a chair to replace a light bulb - as though that were an *advantage* of replaceable bulbs! Chair? What chair? *I* referred to "kitchen steps". If you wanted disambiguation you only had to ask: 2 wide rubber-coated steps, hand rail at top, non-slip feet. -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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On 11/08/2019 23:46, Roger Hayter wrote: wrote: On Sunday, 11 August 2019 12:39:33 UTC+1, Roger Hayter wrote: Cost of hip replacement and aftercare; 10,000-250,000 pounds. Not fictional either. Is it perhaps time we stopped putting rock hard floors in new builds that do this? Performance floors aren't hard to fit or expensive. And is it perhaps time for nonogenarians to wear some sort of foam thing around their more fragile bits? Or some sort of personal airbag? And is it not time the NHS got more informed about bone health? It seems to me we're still in the cave era on this. NT All good suggestions but the original postulate was climbing on a chair to replace a light bulb - as though that were an *advantage* of replaceable bulbs! Chair? What chair? *I* referred to "kitchen steps". If you wanted disambiguation you only had to ask: 2 wide rubber-coated steps, hand rail at top, non-slip feet. Just add a little dizziness and thin bones. -- Roger Hayter |
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On 12/08/2019 10:05, Roger Hayter wrote:
Robin wrote: On 11/08/2019 23:46, Roger Hayter wrote: wrote: On Sunday, 11 August 2019 12:39:33 UTC+1, Roger Hayter wrote: Cost of hip replacement and aftercare; 10,000-250,000 pounds. Not fictional either. Is it perhaps time we stopped putting rock hard floors in new builds that do this? Performance floors aren't hard to fit or expensive. And is it perhaps time for nonogenarians to wear some sort of foam thing around their more fragile bits? Or some sort of personal airbag? And is it not time the NHS got more informed about bone health? It seems to me we're still in the cave era on this. NT All good suggestions but the original postulate was climbing on a chair to replace a light bulb - as though that were an *advantage* of replaceable bulbs! Chair? What chair? *I* referred to "kitchen steps". If you wanted disambiguation you only had to ask: 2 wide rubber-coated steps, hand rail at top, non-slip feet. Just add a little dizziness and thin bones. And very many people in their 70s don't have those problems. You seem to favour them losing their agency to decide if they can safely change a light bulb. Oh, and where did that chair come from? -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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On 12/08/2019 10:05, Roger Hayter wrote: Robin wrote: On 11/08/2019 23:46, Roger Hayter wrote: wrote: On Sunday, 11 August 2019 12:39:33 UTC+1, Roger Hayter wrote: Cost of hip replacement and aftercare; 10,000-250,000 pounds. Not fictional either. Is it perhaps time we stopped putting rock hard floors in new builds that do this? Performance floors aren't hard to fit or expensive. And is it perhaps time for nonogenarians to wear some sort of foam thing around their more fragile bits? Or some sort of personal airbag? And is it not time the NHS got more informed about bone health? It seems to me we're still in the cave era on this. NT All good suggestions but the original postulate was climbing on a chair to replace a light bulb - as though that were an *advantage* of replaceable bulbs! Chair? What chair? *I* referred to "kitchen steps". If you wanted disambiguation you only had to ask: 2 wide rubber-coated steps, hand rail at top, non-slip feet. Just add a little dizziness and thin bones. And very many people in their 70s don't have those problems. You seem to favour them losing their agency to decide if they can safely change a light bulb. No, I just want to phase out light bulbs. Oh, and where did that chair come from? What I always use! -- Roger Hayter |
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On Monday, 12 August 2019 01:54:51 UTC+1, Andy Burns wrote:
tabbypurr wrote: alan_m wrote: With many LED floodlights the LED is directly bolted to the metal casing which acts as a large heat-sink. The extra cooling is a useful feature, but it should not eclipse the far more useful feature of bulb replacement costing £3 not £70. With the cheapo LED floods, there's a separate PSU rattling about within the case, but there is a trend for the COB-type to have the driver electronics incorporated onto the same board, e.g. https://amazon.co.uk/Tesfish-Floodlight/dp/B071HPK5X7 The iSpot model I mentioned is like that, with mains L&N soldered direct to the board (and need a very chunky soldering iron to re-make the connection due to the aluminium backed PCB) So there'd need to be a standard form factor and mains connector to allow them to become user-replaceable. There are. They're called ES & BC. NT |
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wrote in message ... On Saturday, 10 August 2019 23:06:44 UTC+1, tim... wrote: "pinnerite" wrote in message ... I bought an LED outside light less than 3 years ago from Homebase. It was white and less obtrusive against our white walls. Recently it started to barely glow. My electrician, as friend for over 50 years popped i to deliver something. I showed him the lamp which he had fitted. He laughed and said 'you need to get a new one'. The original came in a sealed unit so couldn't be repaired. He will no longer supply them because so many are unreliable. He mentioned a brand that he claimed was more reliable than most but I could not find it on the web so purchased one that claimed that it was water- proof. I should have come here first and sought advice but I reckon I am losing it. Hm, I've got a sealed for life LED lamp in my kitchen, admittedly on a switch Hope that I get better than 3 years out of it. It came from B&Q and I think it was what appears to be their "own" brand "Colours" tim Why do people buy light fittings with bulbs they can't change? It's got a 15+ year lifetime It looks nice, it's **** easy to fit and the kitchen should be due for redecoration at about the time it fails Oh and it was cheap. 15 quid IIRC For the location it is in, it isn't that much harder to simply replace with a new one of the same type than replace a bulb, much better than the stupid florescent tube that was previously there (or a load of poxy spawn-of-the-devil down-lighters). tim |
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"dennis@home" wrote in message ... On 12/08/2019 01:29, wrote: Obviously it is. What fool thinks it better to pay someone else £70 to change the bulb for them? Someone that has nowhere to put a step ladder? buy a foldable stool-step more than sufficient for this task (not for all, I'll admit) |
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wrote in message ... On Sunday, 11 August 2019 11:01:26 UTC+1, Roger Hayter wrote: tabbypurr wrote: Why do people buy light fittings with bulbs they can't change? Because the concept of a "bulb" belongs to a time when the light emitting part of a luminaire was a short life relatively cheap to make still is encapsulated hot wire. Now that the light emitting part is an electronic component with many other components to control it and makes up a significant fraction of the cost to the whole fitting, the idea of a separate bulb is completely obsolete. not even remotely. Not least because it imposes artificial restrictions of size and cost on the electronics. There is no reason why a light fitting should not have the same life as any other electronic consumer device, and no reason at all why you should expect to replace part of it rather than the whole. Let's see. Each time the Led fails I can replace the Led with a new one for £3, or if I were fool enough to fall for what you claim one can buy a new £20 unit and pay an electrician £50 to replace the thing each time. Which do you think is smarter? If it fails within 2 years I shall, indeed, be ****ed off. But I wont be paying a man 50 quid to replace it. I shall, DIY (that is the name of the group we are in) OTOH I expect it to outlast me and be the next owner's problem tim |
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wrote in message ... On Monday, 12 August 2019 01:54:51 UTC+1, Andy Burns wrote: tabbypurr wrote: alan_m wrote: With many LED floodlights the LED is directly bolted to the metal casing which acts as a large heat-sink. The extra cooling is a useful feature, but it should not eclipse the far more useful feature of bulb replacement costing £3 not £70. With the cheapo LED floods, there's a separate PSU rattling about within the case, but there is a trend for the COB-type to have the driver electronics incorporated onto the same board, e.g. https://amazon.co.uk/Tesfish-Floodlight/dp/B071HPK5X7 The iSpot model I mentioned is like that, with mains L&N soldered direct to the board (and need a very chunky soldering iron to re-make the connection due to the aluminium backed PCB) So there'd need to be a standard form factor and mains connector to allow them to become user-replaceable. There are. They're called ES & BC. what we really need is for them to be plug-inable like remote bell chimes are tim |
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On 10/08/2019 16:36, pinnerite wrote:
I bought an LED outside light less than 3 years ago from Homebase. It was white and less obtrusive against our white walls. Recently it started to barely glow. My electrician, as friend for over 50 years popped i to deliver something. I showed him the lamp which he had fitted. He laughed and said 'you need to get a new one'. The original came in a sealed unit so couldn't be repaired. He will no longer supply them because so many are unreliable. He mentioned a brand that he claimed was more reliable than most but I could not find it on the web so purchased one that claimed that it was water- proof. I should have come here first and sought advice but I reckon I am losing it. I tend to favour "dumb" lamps fed via standalone PIR(s). Much simpler to replace a PIR on its own if it fails, and you can then have the sensing bit in the most appropriate place (or places), which might not be mounted near the lamp. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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"John Rumm" wrote in message o.uk... On 10/08/2019 16:36, pinnerite wrote: I bought an LED outside light less than 3 years ago from Homebase. It was white and less obtrusive against our white walls. Recently it started to barely glow. My electrician, as friend for over 50 years popped i to deliver something. I showed him the lamp which he had fitted. He laughed and said 'you need to get a new one'. The original came in a sealed unit so couldn't be repaired. He will no longer supply them because so many are unreliable. He mentioned a brand that he claimed was more reliable than most but I could not find it on the web so purchased one that claimed that it was water- proof. I should have come here first and sought advice but I reckon I am losing it. I tend to favour "dumb" lamps fed via standalone PIR(s). Much simpler to replace a PIR on its own if it fails, and you can then have the sensing bit in the most appropriate place (or places), which might not be mounted near the lamp. The microwave ones installed inside the lamps are much more sensitive and to a certain extent can "See" round corners tim |
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On Monday, 12 August 2019 21:36:23 UTC+1, tim... wrote:
The microwave ones installed inside the lamps are much more sensitive and to a certain extent can "See" round corners That can be a downside too - I've just installed one and it seems to more easily get triggered by nearby trees/bushes moving and whilst the sensitivity can be reduced it does at the cost of missing 'real' events too. Being a low-power LED light (10W in this case) does lessen this being too much of an issue though. Will be interesting to see what the longevity is like as it's always been the PIR sensors that have failed in my lights in the past. |
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On Monday, 12 August 2019 12:20:37 UTC+1, tim... wrote:
tabbypurr wrote in message ... On Saturday, 10 August 2019 23:06:44 UTC+1, tim... wrote: "pinnerite" wrote in message ... I bought an LED outside light less than 3 years ago from Homebase. It was white and less obtrusive against our white walls. Recently it started to barely glow. My electrician, as friend for over 50 years popped i to deliver something. I showed him the lamp which he had fitted. He laughed and said 'you need to get a new one'. The original came in a sealed unit so couldn't be repaired. He will no longer supply them because so many are unreliable. He mentioned a brand that he claimed was more reliable than most but I could not find it on the web so purchased one that claimed that it was water- proof. I should have come here first and sought advice but I reckon I am losing it. Hm, I've got a sealed for life LED lamp in my kitchen, admittedly on a switch Hope that I get better than 3 years out of it. It came from B&Q and I think it was what appears to be their "own" brand "Colours" tim Why do people buy light fittings with bulbs they can't change? It's got a 15+ year lifetime It looks nice, it's **** easy to fit and the kitchen should be due for redecoration at about the time it fails Oh and it was cheap. 15 quid IIRC Rebulbable lights last far longer, come in a huge range of looks, and are cheaper. For the location it is in, it isn't that much harder to simply replace with a new one of the same type than replace a bulb, much better than the stupid florescent tube that was previously there (or a load of poxy spawn-of-the-devil down-lighters). tim We can replace them, though I'd rather just replace a lightbulb. Most folk can't/won't. NT |
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On Tuesday, 13 August 2019 16:54:37 UTC+1, dennis@home wrote:
On 13/08/2019 10:06, tabbypurr wrote: Rebulbable lights last far longer, come in a huge range of looks, and are cheaper. Lights with fixed LEDs last longer, the life of one LED only. Duh. come in a huge range of looks, and are cheaper. The reason they last longer is because they can be cooled better than some random fitting retrofitted with a LED bulb. No dennis. The reason they last less long is a) the manufacturer couldn't care less as long as it makes a few years b) since it's only on a small % of time they push the LEDs much harder. BC/ES LEDs OTOH are rated at 15-25k hours They come in a bigger range of looks because they dont have the huge E27 or B22 bases to worry about and they don't need to provide ventilation that the bulb needs. they don't They are cheaper than buying flat panels with bulbs behind them, or spirally dangaley bits or any of the other fashions people buy these days which you can't even get bulbs into. which have nothing even to do with the topic. What a great debater you are. NT |
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On Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:09:42 UTC+1, wrote:
On Tuesday, 13 August 2019 16:54:37 UTC+1, dennis@home wrote: On 13/08/2019 10:06, tabbypurr wrote: Rebulbable lights last far longer, come in a huge range of looks, and are cheaper. Lights with fixed LEDs last longer, the life of one LED only. Duh. with is ~10 years if they are only on for 12 hours a day. Some don't even live in the same property for that long. come in a huge range of looks, and are cheaper. The reason they last longer is because they can be cooled better than some random fitting retrofitted with a LED bulb. No dennis. The reason they last less long is a) the manufacturer couldn't care less as long as it makes a few years So don;t buy from a cheap manufacturer. The same goes for any product. b) since it's only on a small % of time they push the LEDs much harder. BC/ES LEDs OTOH are rated at 15-25k hours why would they need to push them harder ? Ah because they are crap quality to start with ? |
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