I do hope you are nowhere near a radio ham or short wave listener, its open
season on these blights to receiving am from the far distant places. In
theory, they are illegal, but they have tried to get around the regs by
attempting to notch out the ham bands, but other services are beginning to
realise that they are being affected, overseas shortwave broadcasters to
countries who sensor the internet and even aircraft HF and Sea HF radio. The
more we get the more ticking and noise bursts over such a huge bandwidth add
up to create blanketing noise. Its kind of a bit like single use plastic in
that it seems like just a local problem until enough are doing the same
thing.
So beware, plug based internets days will be numbered I fancy.
Brian

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beware, plug based internets days will be numbered I fancy

There's a whole herd of horses rampaging around while the stable door
gently creaks ....

I don't own any powerline devices, but I'd say most people who live in
anything larger than a flat tend to have a few of them.

On Friday, 19 July 2019 16:58:00 UTC+1, Brian Gaff wrote:
I do hope you are nowhere near a radio ham or short wave listener,...
So beware, plug based internets days will be numbered I fancy.

I think it's more likely the days of ham radio and short wave listening are numbered, at least as far as being a hobby of mass interest and low entry cost.

However maybe the 19th Edition Wiring Regs mandating steel conduit and metalclad accessories for all wiring will reduce the radiation.

Owain

On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 09:42:43 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Friday, 19 July 2019 16:58:00 UTC+1, Brian Gaff wrote:
I do hope you are nowhere near a radio ham or short wave listener,...
So beware, plug based internets days will be numbered I fancy.

I think it's more likely the days of ham radio and short wave listening are numbered, at least as far as being a hobby of mass interest and low entry cost.

Bingo ... and I'm not sure introducing the Novice licence and free
licence renewal slowed anything.

However maybe the 19th Edition Wiring Regs mandating steel conduit and metalclad accessories for all wiring will reduce the radiation.

That might help (but not retrospectively of course).

Cheers, T i m

(G7ICW who only got the licence to use Packet Radio. I could get into
GB7HSN on 2m / 70cms with my converted ex FDK PMR radio and BSXII or
KPC3 and roof mounted tri-band dipole). ;-)

Brian Gaff wrote:
I do hope you are nowhere near a radio ham or short wave listener, its open
season on these blights to receiving am from the far distant places. In
theory, they are illegal, but they have tried to get around the regs by
attempting to notch out the ham bands, but other services are beginning to
realise that they are being affected, overseas shortwave broadcasters to
countries who sensor the internet and even aircraft HF and Sea HF radio. The
more we get the more ticking and noise bursts over such a huge bandwidth add
up to create blanketing noise. Its kind of a bit like single use plastic in
that it seems like just a local problem until enough are doing the same
thing.
So beware, plug based internets days will be numbered I fancy.
Brian


The posts that have leaked into this group from UKAR show that the far from
being afforded any consideration
the weirdos who indulge in the hobby of Ham Radio shouldnt be granted any
spectrum at all.

Radio Amateurs performed a service in the earlier days of radio
transmissions in development but I doubt any have come up with a new idea
that can add to knowledge for decades and so are just not important enough
in the greater scheme of things to justify preventing the majority of the
population to use a device that makes implementing communications within
their home easier.
I would take a punt that far more people are now using such devices than
there are Radio Amateurs.
If the Hams start to kick up a fuss who do you think would win, the general
public or those whose behavior on here could be held up as what radio Hams
are really like.

And what power do overseas broadcasters have to stop there use here,and who
cares.
As for HF used for Air and Marine how much of it is going to be emanating
from a plane or vessel that is going to be near enough to a house using
powerline adaptors .
And if the receiving station has got equipment that cannot tune into HF
transmissions well enough that it cannot discriminate between the message
sender and a powerline adapter then it isnt fit enough for purpose
anyway.

Your Days are numbered warning is just wishful thinking.

GH

On 19/07/2019 17:42, wrote:
On Friday, 19 July 2019 16:58:00 UTC+1, Brian Gaff wrote:
I do hope you are nowhere near a radio ham or short wave listener,...
So beware, plug based internets days will be numbered I fancy.

I think it's more likely the days of ham radio and short wave listening are numbered, at least as far as being a hobby of mass interest and low entry cost.

There are QRP CW kits for under £200 for _REAL_ Radio Hams

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On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 09:42:43 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Friday, 19 July 2019 16:58:00 UTC+1, Brian Gaff wrote:
I do hope you are nowhere near a radio ham or short wave listener,...
So beware, plug based internets days will be numbered I fancy.

I think it's more likely the days of ham radio and short wave listening are numbered, at least as far as being a hobby of mass interest and low entry cost.

Bingo ... and I'm not sure introducing the Novice licence and free
licence renewal slowed anything.

However maybe the 19th Edition Wiring Regs mandating steel conduit and metalclad accessories for all wiring will reduce the radiation.

That might help (but not retrospectively of course).

Cheers, T i m

(G7ICW who only got the licence to use Packet Radio. I could get into
GB7HSN on 2m / 70cms with my converted ex FDK PMR radio and BSXII or
KPC3 and roof mounted tri-band dipole). ;-)


Now it all begins to make sense....;-)
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Yes I know, but gradually if they are outlawed they will eventually die.
The question is which of the vested interests will win the day. The people
wanting to still use hf radio, or the companies who make internet over
power cables devices. Some popular tv boxes now seem to have them built in
which is a little alarming
Brian

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Brian Gaff wrote:

beware, plug based internets days will be numbered I fancy

There's a whole herd of horses rampaging around while the stable door
gently creaks ....

I don't own any powerline devices, but I'd say most people who live in
anything larger than a flat tend to have a few of them.

On 20/07/2019 08:25, Brian Gaff wrote:
Yes I know, but gradually if they are outlawed they will eventually die.
The question is which of the vested interests will win the day. The people
wanting to still use hf radio, or the companies who make internet over
power cables devices. Some popular tv boxes now seem to have them built in
which is a little alarming
Brian




Power line adaptors were always a bodge and Wifi soon (largely) replaced
them. Now that Mesh is becoming common place, only a few will remain in
service- probably (and I don't intend this to be pejorative) in
situations where someone, typically an older person who just wants a
system that works, and their friend/family etc has installed one and it
remains in service.

There were (sometimes) supplied with TV boxes as you say but I rather
doubt this is still the case- Wifi is far more likely these days.

On 20/07/2019 09:35, Brian Reay wrote:
On 20/07/2019 08:25, Brian Gaff wrote:
Yes I know, but gradually if they are outlawed they will eventually die.
Â* The question is which of the vested interests will win the day. The
people
wanting to still use hf radio, or the companies whoÂ* makeÂ* internet over
power cables devices. Some popular tv boxes now seem to have them
built in
which is a little alarming
Â* Brian




Power line adaptors were always a bodge and Wifi soon (largely) replaced
them. Now that Mesh is becoming common place, only a few will remain in
service- probably (and I don't intend this to be pejorative) in
situations where someone, typically an older person who just wants a
system that works, and their friend/family etc has installed one and it
remains in service.

There were (sometimes) supplied with TV boxes as you say but I rather
doubt this is still the case- Wifi is far more likely these days.

The problem is that wifi is less reliable.


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On 20/07/2019 08:25, Brian Gaff wrote:
Yes I know, but gradually if they are outlawed they will eventually die.

You mean like CB radio that trashed the 27MHz radio control models did?

The question is which of the vested interests will win the day. The people
wanting to still use hf radio, or the companies who make internet over
power cables devices. Some popular tv boxes now seem to have them built in
which is a little alarming
Brian

There are comparatively few radio hams remaining on the HF bands
discussing which triode they are using to transmit and what current.

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On 20/07/2019 12:00, Martin Brown wrote:
On 20/07/2019 08:25, Brian Gaff wrote:
Yes I know, but gradually if they are outlawed they will eventually die.

You mean like CB radio that trashed the 27MHz radio control models did?

CB is way down these days.

27Mhz is still legal for model cars IIRC.

And HF RC has gone away - digital at 2.4Ghz rules the waves and using
MAC addresses instead of channel frequencies you dont have to worry what
channel anyone else is on.

The worst that happens is there is no control for a split second. But
with data rates down as low as 400 bytes/sec, there is generally room
for a lot of planes...



Â* The question is which of the vested interests will win the day. The
people
wanting to still use hf radio, or the companies whoÂ* makeÂ* internet over
power cables devices. Some popular tv boxes now seem to have them
built in
which is a little alarming
Â* Brian

There are comparatively few radio hams remaining on the HF bands
discussing which triode they are using to transmit and what current.



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On 20/07/2019 12:08, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 20/07/2019 12:00, Martin Brown wrote:
On 20/07/2019 08:25, Brian Gaff wrote:
Yes I know, but gradually if they are outlawed they will eventually die.

You mean like CB radio that trashed the 27MHz radio control models did?

CB is way down these days.

27Mhz is still legal for model cars IIRC.

And HF RC has gone away - digital at 2.4Ghz rules the waves and using
MAC addresses instead of channel frequencies you dont have to worry what
channel anyone else is on.

The worst that happens is there is no control for a split second. But
with data rates down as low as 400 bytes/sec, there is generally room
for a lot of planes...


Maybe not if I start streaming videos over wifi from my phone to my laptop.

On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 09:35:04 +0100, Brian Reay wrote:

On 20/07/2019 08:25, Brian Gaff wrote:
Yes I know, but gradually if they are outlawed they will eventually
die.
The question is which of the vested interests will win the day. The
people
wanting to still use hf radio, or the companies who make internet
over power cables devices. Some popular tv boxes now seem to have them
built in which is a little alarming
Brian




Power line adaptors were always a bodge and Wifi soon (largely) replaced
them. Now that Mesh is becoming common place, only a few will remain in
service- probably (and I don't intend this to be pejorative) in
situations where someone, typically an older person who just wants a
system that works, and their friend/family etc has installed one and it
remains in service.

There were (sometimes) supplied with TV boxes as you say but I rather
doubt this is still the case- Wifi is far more likely these days.

Well VM recently supplied a newer version of the Tivo box, and the
complete pack came with two powerline adapters.

So up to about a year ago they were being shipped as standard.

This suggests that the Super Hub 3 may not have enough WiFi oomph to cover
the average home at HD streaming speeds.

Cheers


Dave R


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On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 12:00:10 +0100, Martin Brown wrote:

Yes I know, but gradually if they are outlawed they will
eventually
die.

You mean like CB radio that trashed the 27MHz radio control models did?

From the mid 70's Illegal AM CB radio's mostly "imported" from the US
did. The legal UK FM CB radios introduced in 1981 didn't.
Powerline is legal.

There are comparatively few radio hams remaining on the HF bands
discussing which triode they are using to transmit and what current.

A lot of the intersting stuff seems have disappeared from HF, not
many RTTY news feeds left. WeFAX is still about and the observation
reports.

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Dave.

On 20/07/2019 20:08, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 12:00:10 +0100, Martin Brown wrote:

Yes I know, but gradually if they are outlawed they will
eventually
die.

You mean like CB radio that trashed the 27MHz radio control models did?

From the mid 70's Illegal AM CB radio's mostly "imported" from the US
did. The legal UK FM CB radios introduced in 1981 didn't.
Powerline is legal.

wrong.All that happened is that they gave model planes 35Mhz, and
legalised CBs They still interfered with still legal 27Mhz kit


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"Martin Brown" wrote in message
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On 20/07/2019 08:25, Brian Gaff wrote:
Yes I know, but gradually if they are outlawed they will eventually die.

You mean like CB radio that trashed the 27MHz radio control models did?

The question is which of the vested interests will win the day. The
people
wanting to still use hf radio, or the companies who make internet over
power cables devices. Some popular tv boxes now seem to have them built
in
which is a little alarming
Brian

There are comparatively few radio hams remaining on the HF bands
discussing which triode they are using to transmit and what current.

speak for yourself OM ....

On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 23:16:37 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

You mean like CB radio that trashed the 27MHz radio control
models
did?

From the mid 70's Illegal AM CB radio's mostly "imported" from
the US
did. The legal UK FM CB radios introduced in 1981 didn't.
Powerline is legal.

wrong.All that happened is that they gave model planes 35Mhz, and
legalised CBs They still interfered with still legal 27Mhz kit

No. Only imported and Illegal, AM CB radios (26.965 27.405 MHz)
buggered up 27 MHz RC (26.995 27.255 MHz).

In 1981 licenced UK legal FM CB radio appeared (27.60125 27.99125
MHz), these legal sets did not bugger up the 27 MHz RC frequencies.

However since 2006 the CEPT/EU frequencies can be used in the UK,
with type approved kit. The CEPT/EU frequencies are the same as the,
illegal until 2006, AM ones.

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Dave.

On 20/07/2019 11:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
The problem is that wifi is less reliable.

Works fine for me. I run get_iplayer at home over wifi, and we have any
number of wifi devices on every channel there is at work.

Andy

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On 20/07/2019 08:25, Brian Gaff wrote:
Yes I know, but gradually if they are outlawed they will eventually die.

You mean like CB radio that trashed the 27MHz radio control models did?

The question is which of the vested interests will win the day. The
people
wanting to still use hf radio, or the companies who make internet over
power cables devices. Some popular tv boxes now seem to have them built
in
which is a little alarming
Brian

There are comparatively few radio hams remaining on the HF bands
discussing which triode they are using to transmit and what current.

speak for yourself OM ....

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