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Powerline adaptors.
I do hope you are nowhere near a radio ham or short wave listener, its open
season on these blights to receiving am from the far distant places. In theory, they are illegal, but they have tried to get around the regs by attempting to notch out the ham bands, but other services are beginning to realise that they are being affected, overseas shortwave broadcasters to countries who sensor the internet and even aircraft HF and Sea HF radio. The more we get the more ticking and noise bursts over such a huge bandwidth add up to create blanketing noise. Its kind of a bit like single use plastic in that it seems like just a local problem until enough are doing the same thing. So beware, plug based internets days will be numbered I fancy. Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! |
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Brian Gaff wrote:
beware, plug based internets days will be numbered I fancy There's a whole herd of horses rampaging around while the stable door gently creaks .... I don't own any powerline devices, but I'd say most people who live in anything larger than a flat tend to have a few of them. |
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On Friday, 19 July 2019 16:58:00 UTC+1, Brian Gaff wrote:
I do hope you are nowhere near a radio ham or short wave listener,... So beware, plug based internets days will be numbered I fancy. I think it's more likely the days of ham radio and short wave listening are numbered, at least as far as being a hobby of mass interest and low entry cost. However maybe the 19th Edition Wiring Regs mandating steel conduit and metalclad accessories for all wiring will reduce the radiation. Owain |
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Powerline adaptors.
Brian Gaff wrote:
I do hope you are nowhere near a radio ham or short wave listener, its open season on these blights to receiving am from the far distant places. In theory, they are illegal, but they have tried to get around the regs by attempting to notch out the ham bands, but other services are beginning to realise that they are being affected, overseas shortwave broadcasters to countries who sensor the internet and even aircraft HF and Sea HF radio. The more we get the more ticking and noise bursts over such a huge bandwidth add up to create blanketing noise. Its kind of a bit like single use plastic in that it seems like just a local problem until enough are doing the same thing. So beware, plug based internets days will be numbered I fancy. Brian The posts that have leaked into this group from UKAR show that the far from being afforded any consideration the weirdos who indulge in the hobby of Ham Radio shouldnt be granted any spectrum at all. Radio Amateurs performed a service in the earlier days of radio transmissions in development but I doubt any have come up with a new idea that can add to knowledge for decades and so are just not important enough in the greater scheme of things to justify preventing the majority of the population to use a device that makes implementing communications within their home easier. I would take a punt that far more people are now using such devices than there are Radio Amateurs. If the Hams start to kick up a fuss who do you think would win, the general public or those whose behavior on here could be held up as what radio Hams are really like. And what power do overseas broadcasters have to stop there use here,and who cares. As for HF used for Air and Marine how much of it is going to be emanating from a plane or vessel that is going to be near enough to a house using powerline adaptors . And if the receiving station has got equipment that cannot tune into HF transmissions well enough that it cannot discriminate between the message sender and a powerline adapter then it isnt fit enough for purpose anyway. Your Days are numbered warning is just wishful thinking. GH |
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Yes I know, but gradually if they are outlawed they will eventually die.
The question is which of the vested interests will win the day. The people wanting to still use hf radio, or the companies who make internet over power cables devices. Some popular tv boxes now seem to have them built in which is a little alarming Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "Andy Burns" wrote in message ... Brian Gaff wrote: beware, plug based internets days will be numbered I fancy There's a whole herd of horses rampaging around while the stable door gently creaks .... I don't own any powerline devices, but I'd say most people who live in anything larger than a flat tend to have a few of them. |
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On 20/07/2019 08:25, Brian Gaff wrote:
Yes I know, but gradually if they are outlawed they will eventually die. The question is which of the vested interests will win the day. The people wanting to still use hf radio, or the companies who make internet over power cables devices. Some popular tv boxes now seem to have them built in which is a little alarming Brian Power line adaptors were always a bodge and Wifi soon (largely) replaced them. Now that Mesh is becoming common place, only a few will remain in service- probably (and I don't intend this to be pejorative) in situations where someone, typically an older person who just wants a system that works, and their friend/family etc has installed one and it remains in service. There were (sometimes) supplied with TV boxes as you say but I rather doubt this is still the case- Wifi is far more likely these days. |
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On 20/07/2019 09:35, Brian Reay wrote:
On 20/07/2019 08:25, Brian Gaff wrote: Yes I know, but gradually if they are outlawed they will eventually die. Â* The question is which of the vested interests will win the day. The people wanting to still use hf radio, or the companies whoÂ* makeÂ* internet over power cables devices. Some popular tv boxes now seem to have them built in which is a little alarming Â* Brian Power line adaptors were always a bodge and Wifi soon (largely) replaced them. Now that Mesh is becoming common place, only a few will remain in service- probably (and I don't intend this to be pejorative) in situations where someone, typically an older person who just wants a system that works, and their friend/family etc has installed one and it remains in service. There were (sometimes) supplied with TV boxes as you say but I rather doubt this is still the case- Wifi is far more likely these days. The problem is that wifi is less reliable. -- I would rather have questions that cannot be answered... ....than to have answers that cannot be questioned Richard Feynman |
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On 20/07/2019 08:25, Brian Gaff wrote:
Yes I know, but gradually if they are outlawed they will eventually die. You mean like CB radio that trashed the 27MHz radio control models did? The question is which of the vested interests will win the day. The people wanting to still use hf radio, or the companies who make internet over power cables devices. Some popular tv boxes now seem to have them built in which is a little alarming Brian There are comparatively few radio hams remaining on the HF bands discussing which triode they are using to transmit and what current. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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On 20/07/2019 12:00, Martin Brown wrote:
On 20/07/2019 08:25, Brian Gaff wrote: Yes I know, but gradually if they are outlawed they will eventually die. You mean like CB radio that trashed the 27MHz radio control models did? CB is way down these days. 27Mhz is still legal for model cars IIRC. And HF RC has gone away - digital at 2.4Ghz rules the waves and using MAC addresses instead of channel frequencies you dont have to worry what channel anyone else is on. The worst that happens is there is no control for a split second. But with data rates down as low as 400 bytes/sec, there is generally room for a lot of planes... Â* The question is which of the vested interests will win the day. The people wanting to still use hf radio, or the companies whoÂ* makeÂ* internet over power cables devices. Some popular tv boxes now seem to have them built in which is a little alarming Â* Brian There are comparatively few radio hams remaining on the HF bands discussing which triode they are using to transmit and what current. -- "Anyone who believes that the laws of physics are mere social conventions is invited to try transgressing those conventions from the windows of my apartment. (I live on the twenty-first floor.) " Alan Sokal |
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On 20/07/2019 12:08, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 20/07/2019 12:00, Martin Brown wrote: On 20/07/2019 08:25, Brian Gaff wrote: Yes I know, but gradually if they are outlawed they will eventually die. You mean like CB radio that trashed the 27MHz radio control models did? CB is way down these days. 27Mhz is still legal for model cars IIRC. And HF RC has gone away - digital at 2.4Ghz rules the waves and using MAC addresses instead of channel frequencies you dont have to worry what channel anyone else is on. The worst that happens is there is no control for a split second. But with data rates down as low as 400 bytes/sec, there is generally room for a lot of planes... Maybe not if I start streaming videos over wifi from my phone to my laptop. |
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On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 09:35:04 +0100, Brian Reay wrote:
On 20/07/2019 08:25, Brian Gaff wrote: Yes I know, but gradually if they are outlawed they will eventually die. The question is which of the vested interests will win the day. The people wanting to still use hf radio, or the companies who make internet over power cables devices. Some popular tv boxes now seem to have them built in which is a little alarming Brian Power line adaptors were always a bodge and Wifi soon (largely) replaced them. Now that Mesh is becoming common place, only a few will remain in service- probably (and I don't intend this to be pejorative) in situations where someone, typically an older person who just wants a system that works, and their friend/family etc has installed one and it remains in service. There were (sometimes) supplied with TV boxes as you say but I rather doubt this is still the case- Wifi is far more likely these days. Well VM recently supplied a newer version of the Tivo box, and the complete pack came with two powerline adapters. So up to about a year ago they were being shipped as standard. This suggests that the Super Hub 3 may not have enough WiFi oomph to cover the average home at HD streaming speeds. Cheers Dave R -- AMD FX-6300 in GA-990X-Gaming SLI-CF running Windows 7 Pro x64 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 12:00:10 +0100, Martin Brown wrote:
Yes I know, but gradually if they are outlawed they will eventually die. You mean like CB radio that trashed the 27MHz radio control models did? From the mid 70's Illegal AM CB radio's mostly "imported" from the US did. The legal UK FM CB radios introduced in 1981 didn't. Powerline is legal. There are comparatively few radio hams remaining on the HF bands discussing which triode they are using to transmit and what current. A lot of the intersting stuff seems have disappeared from HF, not many RTTY news feeds left. WeFAX is still about and the observation reports. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On 20/07/2019 20:08, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 12:00:10 +0100, Martin Brown wrote: Yes I know, but gradually if they are outlawed they will eventually die. You mean like CB radio that trashed the 27MHz radio control models did? From the mid 70's Illegal AM CB radio's mostly "imported" from the US did. The legal UK FM CB radios introduced in 1981 didn't. Powerline is legal. wrong.All that happened is that they gave model planes 35Mhz, and legalised CBs They still interfered with still legal 27Mhz kit -- Truth welcomes investigation because truth knows investigation will lead to converts. It is deception that uses all the other techniques. |
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"Martin Brown" wrote in message ... On 20/07/2019 08:25, Brian Gaff wrote: Yes I know, but gradually if they are outlawed they will eventually die. You mean like CB radio that trashed the 27MHz radio control models did? The question is which of the vested interests will win the day. The people wanting to still use hf radio, or the companies who make internet over power cables devices. Some popular tv boxes now seem to have them built in which is a little alarming Brian There are comparatively few radio hams remaining on the HF bands discussing which triode they are using to transmit and what current. speak for yourself OM .... |
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On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 23:16:37 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
You mean like CB radio that trashed the 27MHz radio control models did? From the mid 70's Illegal AM CB radio's mostly "imported" from the US did. The legal UK FM CB radios introduced in 1981 didn't. Powerline is legal. wrong.All that happened is that they gave model planes 35Mhz, and legalised CBs They still interfered with still legal 27Mhz kit No. Only imported and Illegal, AM CB radios (26.965 27.405 MHz) buggered up 27 MHz RC (26.995 27.255 MHz). In 1981 licenced UK legal FM CB radio appeared (27.60125 27.99125 MHz), these legal sets did not bugger up the 27 MHz RC frequencies. However since 2006 the CEPT/EU frequencies can be used in the UK, with type approved kit. The CEPT/EU frequencies are the same as the, illegal until 2006, AM ones. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On 20/07/2019 11:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
The problem is that wifi is less reliable. Works fine for me. I run get_iplayer at home over wifi, and we have any number of wifi devices on every channel there is at work. Andy |
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writes "Martin Brown" wrote in message ... On 20/07/2019 08:25, Brian Gaff wrote: Yes I know, but gradually if they are outlawed they will eventually die. You mean like CB radio that trashed the 27MHz radio control models did? The question is which of the vested interests will win the day. The people wanting to still use hf radio, or the companies who make internet over power cables devices. Some popular tv boxes now seem to have them built in which is a little alarming Brian There are comparatively few radio hams remaining on the HF bands discussing which triode they are using to transmit and what current. speak for yourself OM .... What happened to the traditional swapping notes on piles and hernias? -- Ian |
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