The only way I can get the kitchen layout to work is to install the
electric hob above the washing machine. I can see it's not ideal, but is
it allowed? Any extra precautions I could take, eg install some sort of
vapour barrier?

The only way I can get the kitchen layout to work is to install the
electric hob above the washing machine. I can see it's not ideal, but is
it allowed? Any extra precautions I could take, eg install some sort of
vapour barrier?

I personally can't see why it is any worse than installing it under a
food preparation counter-top, which is what most of us do.
--

Graham.
%Profound_observation%

On 30/01/2018 18:05, GB wrote:
The only way I can get the kitchen layout to work is to install the
electric hob above the washing machine. I can see it's not ideal, but is
it allowed? Any extra precautions I could take, eg install some sort of
vapour barrier?

I'd be surprised if there'd be enough clearance with all hobs and all
w/ms to leave the manufacturer's minimum clearance. So might constrain
your choice of replacements.

--
Robin
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

On 30/01/2018 18:43, Robin wrote:
On 30/01/2018 18:05, GB wrote:
The only way I can get the kitchen layout to work is to install the
electric hob above the washing machine. I can see it's not ideal, but
is it allowed? Any extra precautions I could take, eg install some
sort of vapour barrier?

I'd be surprised if there'd be enough clearance with all hobs and all
w/ms to leave the manufacturer's minimum clearance.Â* So might constrain
your choice of replacements.


I didn't even know the manufacturers specified a minimum clearance!

On 30/01/2018 19:30, GB wrote:
On 30/01/2018 18:43, Robin wrote:
On 30/01/2018 18:05, GB wrote:
The only way I can get the kitchen layout to work is to install the
electric hob above the washing machine. I can see it's not ideal, but
is it allowed? Any extra precautions I could take, eg install some
sort of vapour barrier?

I'd be surprised if there'd be enough clearance with all hobs and all
w/ms to leave the manufacturer's minimum clearance.Â* So might
constrain your choice of replacements.


I didn't even know the manufacturers specified a minimum clearance!

They have installation manuals!

--


Adam

What is the floor made of? In my kitchen I have a microwave above the
washing machine, but due to wooden floors the worktop the Microwave is on
is in fact supported on the wall by brackets and not touching the machine or
the floor. I guess it could be good for meals that require agitation but its
timing the spin cycle just right for that to work of course!

Brian

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The only way I can get the kitchen layout to work is to install the
electric hob above the washing machine. I can see it's not ideal, but is
it allowed? Any extra precautions I could take, eg install some sort of
vapour barrier?

ARW wrote:

On 30/01/2018 19:30, GB wrote:
On 30/01/2018 18:43, Robin wrote:
On 30/01/2018 18:05, GB wrote:
The only way I can get the kitchen layout to work is to install the
electric hob above the washing machine. I can see it's not ideal, but
is it allowed? Any extra precautions I could take, eg install some
sort of vapour barrier?

I'd be surprised if there'd be enough clearance with all hobs and all
w/ms to leave the manufacturer's minimum clearance. So might
constrain your choice of replacements.


I didn't even know the manufacturers specified a minimum clearance!

They have installation manuals!

And for bouncy things like washing machines it is probably quite a good
idea.

--

Roger Hayter

In article ,
ARW wrote:
On 30/01/2018 19:30, GB wrote:
On 30/01/2018 18:43, Robin wrote:
On 30/01/2018 18:05, GB wrote:
The only way I can get the kitchen layout to work is to install the
electric hob above the washing machine. I can see it's not ideal, but
is it allowed? Any extra precautions I could take, eg install some
sort of vapour barrier?

I'd be surprised if there'd be enough clearance with all hobs and all
w/ms to leave the manufacturer's minimum clearance. So might
constrain your choice of replacements.


I didn't even know the manufacturers specified a minimum clearance!

They have installation manuals!

looking for something else last week, I came across an installation manual
with large letters on the front "DO NOT LEAVE WITH CUSTOMER"

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

On 2018-01-30, charles wrote:

In article ,
ARW wrote:
On 30/01/2018 19:30, GB wrote:
On 30/01/2018 18:43, Robin wrote:
On 30/01/2018 18:05, GB wrote:
The only way I can get the kitchen layout to work is to install the
electric hob above the washing machine. I can see it's not ideal, but
is it allowed? Any extra precautions I could take, eg install some
sort of vapour barrier?

I'd be surprised if there'd be enough clearance with all hobs and all
w/ms to leave the manufacturer's minimum clearance. So might
constrain your choice of replacements.


I didn't even know the manufacturers specified a minimum clearance!

They have installation manuals!

looking for something else last week, I came across an installation manual
with large letters on the front "DO NOT LEAVE WITH CUSTOMER"

What outrageous secrets did you get from it?

Adam Funk wrote:

On 2018-01-30, charles wrote:

In article ,
ARW wrote:
On 30/01/2018 19:30, GB wrote:
On 30/01/2018 18:43, Robin wrote:
On 30/01/2018 18:05, GB wrote:
The only way I can get the kitchen layout to work is to install the
electric hob above the washing machine. I can see it's not ideal, but
is it allowed? Any extra precautions I could take, eg install some
sort of vapour barrier?

I'd be surprised if there'd be enough clearance with all hobs and all
w/ms to leave the manufacturer's minimum clearance. So might
constrain your choice of replacements.


I didn't even know the manufacturers specified a minimum clearance!

They have installation manuals!

looking for something else last week, I came across an installation manual
with large letters on the front "DO NOT LEAVE WITH CUSTOMER"

What outrageous secrets did you get from it?

I would have thought leaving with the customer would give some security
for the bill being paid.

--

Roger Hayter

On 30/01/2018 18:43, Robin wrote:
On 30/01/2018 18:05, GB wrote:
The only way I can get the kitchen layout to work is to install the
electric hob above the washing machine. I can see it's not ideal, but
is it allowed? Any extra precautions I could take, eg install some
sort of vapour barrier?

I'd be surprised if there'd be enough clearance with all hobs and all
w/ms to leave the manufacturer's minimum clearance.Â* So might constrain
your choice of replacements.



Thanks for the advice. I have had a look at a few hobs now - I hadn't
got to the detail of the installation manuals previously - and you're
clearly right that there's a potential problem.

It looks like it might be a good idea to extend the legs on the base
units a bit when installing them. And choose chunky worktop.

If all else fails, you can get height reduction kits for washing
machines - a flat metal plate to replace the normal lid. I actually have
the T shirt for that one already.

On Tuesday, 30 January 2018 21:17:53 UTC, GB wrote:
On 30/01/2018 18:43, Robin wrote:
On 30/01/2018 18:05, GB wrote:
The only way I can get the kitchen layout to work is to install the
electric hob above the washing machine. I can see it's not ideal, but
is it allowed? Any extra precautions I could take, eg install some
sort of vapour barrier?

I'd be surprised if there'd be enough clearance with all hobs and all
w/ms to leave the manufacturer's minimum clearance.Â* So might constrain
your choice of replacements.



Thanks for the advice. I have had a look at a few hobs now - I hadn't
got to the detail of the installation manuals previously - and you're
clearly right that there's a potential problem.

It looks like it might be a good idea to extend the legs on the base
units a bit when installing them. And choose chunky worktop.

If all else fails, you can get height reduction kits for washing
machines - a flat metal plate to replace the normal lid. I actually have
the T shirt for that one already.

I don't see a problem with a hob above a WM. If you don't like the resulting height you can get reduced size WMs if necessary. If you mount the hob on the machine it can stir while you cook.


NT

On 30/01/2018 20:24, Roger Hayter wrote:
ARW wrote:

On 30/01/2018 19:30, GB wrote:
On 30/01/2018 18:43, Robin wrote:
On 30/01/2018 18:05, GB wrote:
The only way I can get the kitchen layout to work is to install the
electric hob above the washing machine. I can see it's not ideal, but
is it allowed? Any extra precautions I could take, eg install some
sort of vapour barrier?

I'd be surprised if there'd be enough clearance with all hobs and all
w/ms to leave the manufacturer's minimum clearance. So might
constrain your choice of replacements.


I didn't even know the manufacturers specified a minimum clearance!

They have installation manuals!

And for bouncy things like washing machines it is probably quite a good
idea.

These days washing machines don't bounce much. The only downside I can
see is that your worktop might have to be half an inch higher than
normal. (And IMHO there is a reasonable case for slightly higher worktops).

In article ,
ARW wrote:
On 30/01/2018 19:30, GB wrote:
On 30/01/2018 18:43, Robin wrote:
On 30/01/2018 18:05, GB wrote:
The only way I can get the kitchen layout to work is to install the
electric hob above the washing machine. I can see it's not ideal, but
is it allowed? Any extra precautions I could take, eg install some
sort of vapour barrier?

I'd be surprised if there'd be enough clearance with all hobs and all
w/ms to leave the manufacturer's minimum clearance. So might
constrain your choice of replacements.


I didn't even know the manufacturers specified a minimum clearance!

They have installation manuals!

looking for something else last week, I came across an installation manual
with large letters on the front "DO NOT LEAVE WITH CUSTOMER"

That was printed on the installation instructions for my Gloworm
boiler.

Something like "Not to be read by the patient" used to adorn medical
notes hanging from the foot of hospital beds.

--

Graham.
%Profound_observation%

On Tuesday, 30 January 2018 21:45:00 UTC, Graham. wrote:
In article ,

looking for something else last week, I came across an installation manual
with large letters on the front "DO NOT LEAVE WITH CUSTOMER"

That was printed on the installation instructions for my Gloworm
boiler.

Something like "Not to be read by the patient" used to adorn medical
notes hanging from the foot of hospital beds.

The NHS still applies that policy.


NT

On 30/01/2018 21:40, newshound wrote:
On 30/01/2018 20:24, Roger Hayter wrote:
ARW wrote:

On 30/01/2018 19:30, GB wrote:
On 30/01/2018 18:43, Robin wrote:
On 30/01/2018 18:05, GB wrote:
The only way I can get the kitchen layout to work is to install the
electric hob above the washing machine. I can see it's not ideal, but
is it allowed? Any extra precautions I could take, eg install some
sort of vapour barrier?

I'd be surprised if there'd be enough clearance with all hobs and all
w/ms to leave the manufacturer's minimum clearance.Â* So might
constrain your choice of replacements.


I didn't even know the manufacturers specified a minimum clearance!

They have installation manuals!

And for bouncy things like washing machines it is probably quite a good
idea.

These days washing machines don't bounce much. The only downside I can
see is that your worktop might have to be half an inch higher than
normal. (And IMHO there is a reasonable case for slightly higher worktops).

Most hobs don't protrude below a 30 mm worktop and I have not seen one
that protrudes below a 40 mm worktop.

You might struggle with a 20 mm "granite" one like mine.

The kitchen units usually have adjustable legs so increasing the height
isn't difficult when fitting.

On 30/01/18 18:05, GB wrote:
The only way I can get the kitchen layout to work is to install the
electric hob above the washing machine. I can see it's not ideal, but is
it allowed? Any extra precautions I could take, eg install some sort of
vapour barrier?

1) Are you expecting steam off the washing machine? If it's a condenser
dryer or plain old washing machine, there's generally none IME.

2) The worktop mounted induction hobs have fans and expect a certain
amount of clearance underneath - it's quite small (a cm or three - check
the manuals online)

3) Induction hobs are very thin - the one's I know of more or less sit
within the thickness of a 40mm worktop.

4) They usually expect the bottom not to be exposed.

So you could build a box container under the worktop like this with the
front and back open - say a 2cm air slot or something like that


=====INDUCTION HOB HERE=======
||slot to the front and back||
------------------------------

WASHING MACHINE




Does that make sense?

On 30/01/2018 22:44, wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 January 2018 21:45:00 UTC, Graham. wrote:
In article ,

looking for something else last week, I came across an installation manual
with large letters on the front "DO NOT LEAVE WITH CUSTOMER"

That was printed on the installation instructions for my Gloworm
boiler.

Something like "Not to be read by the patient" used to adorn medical
notes hanging from the foot of hospital beds.

The NHS still applies that policy.


NT


No they don't.

On 30/01/18 21:44, Graham. wrote:

That was printed on the installation instructions for my Gloworm
boiler.

Something like "Not to be read by the patient" used to adorn medical
notes hanging from the foot of hospital beds.


I refuse to buy anything where I can't download the installation manual
in advance

On 30/01/18 21:44, Graham. wrote:

That was printed on the installation instructions for my Gloworm
boiler.

Something like "Not to be read by the patient" used to adorn medical
notes hanging from the foot of hospital beds.


I refuse to buy anything where I can't download the installation manual
in advance

try getting a schematic of anything in your car.
--

Graham.
%Profound_observation%

On 30/01/18 18:05, GB wrote:
The only way I can get the kitchen layout to work is to install the
electric hob above the washing machine. I can see it's not ideal, but is
it allowed? Any extra precautions I could take, eg install some sort of
vapour barrier?

1) Are you expecting steam off the washing machine? If it's a condenser
dryer or plain old washing machine, there's generally none IME.

2) The worktop mounted induction hobs have fans and expect a certain
amount of clearance underneath - it's quite small (a cm or three - check
the manuals online)

3) Induction hobs are very thin - the one's I know of more or less sit
within the thickness of a 40mm worktop.

4) They usually expect the bottom not to be exposed.

So you could build a box container under the worktop like this with the
front and back open - say a 2cm air slot or something like that


=====INDUCTION HOB HERE=======
||slot to the front and back||
------------------------------

WASHING MACHINE




Does that make sense?

The bottom wouldn't be exposed, the top of the WM would protect it.
Also I wouldn't want to limit the airflow under an induction hob any
more than necessary.

--

Graham.
%Profound_observation%

dennis@home wrote:

On 30/01/2018 22:44, wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 January 2018 21:45:00 UTC, Graham. wrote:
In article ,

looking for something else last week, I came across an installation manual
with large letters on the front "DO NOT LEAVE WITH CUSTOMER"

That was printed on the installation instructions for my Gloworm
boiler.

Something like "Not to be read by the patient" used to adorn medical
notes hanging from the foot of hospital beds.

The NHS still applies that policy.


NT


No they don't.

Yes they do, legally. In theory one needs the person responsible for
the given section of the notes to give approval for the patient to read
them. Some departments may have a blanket policy of letting patients
read them, but you might find that does not apply to the whole
historical note folder. Or it might, but legally it shouldn't. Don't
shoot the messanger, I don't agree with this law myself - it's a bit
paternalistic.

--

Roger Hayter

On Tuesday, 30 January 2018 22:52:42 UTC, dennis@home wrote:
On 30/01/2018 22:44, tabbypurr wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 January 2018 21:45:00 UTC, Graham. wrote:
In article ,

looking for something else last week, I came across an installation manual
with large letters on the front "DO NOT LEAVE WITH CUSTOMER"

That was printed on the installation instructions for my Gloworm
boiler.

Something like "Not to be read by the patient" used to adorn medical
notes hanging from the foot of hospital beds.

The NHS still applies that policy.

No they don't.

yes they do. I ran into it recently.

On 2018-01-30, Graham wrote:

looking for something else last week, I came across an installation manual
with large letters on the front "DO NOT LEAVE WITH CUSTOMER"

That was printed on the installation instructions for my Gloworm
boiler.

Something like "Not to be read by the patient" used to adorn medical
notes hanging from the foot of hospital beds.

Did they leave that there if the patient was sufficiently able-bodied
to reach it? Something like that would certainly get my attention &
I'd try to get a look at it.

On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:00:07 UTC, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2018-01-30, Graham wrote:

looking for something else last week, I came across an installation manual
with large letters on the front "DO NOT LEAVE WITH CUSTOMER"

That was printed on the installation instructions for my Gloworm
boiler.

Something like "Not to be read by the patient" used to adorn medical
notes hanging from the foot of hospital beds.

Did they leave that there if the patient was sufficiently able-bodied
to reach it? Something like that would certainly get my attention &
I'd try to get a look at it.

They do. I did. I got told off for it.
I don't recall seeing the words "Not to be read by the patient" but the policy still applies.


NT

Graham. wrote on 31/01/2018 :
try getting a schematic of anything in your car.

I have a full set of schematics for my car, but not for any of the
electronics or ecu's of course.

On 31/01/2018 22:24, Huge wrote:
On 2018-01-31, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2018-01-30, Graham wrote:

looking for something else last week, I came across an installation manual
with large letters on the front "DO NOT LEAVE WITH CUSTOMER"

That was printed on the installation instructions for my Gloworm
boiler.

Something like "Not to be read by the patient" used to adorn medical
notes hanging from the foot of hospital beds.

Did they leave that there if the patient was sufficiently able-bodied
to reach it? Something like that would certainly get my attention &
I'd try to get a look at it.

I *always* read my notes. And then ask for explanations of what things
mean. I was given my notes at one clinic in a sealed envelope to give
to the doctor. I opened and read them. No-one's ever complained about
this behaviour.

My opinion - since we were repeatedly handed sealed envelopes of scans
when my wife was pregnant - has been that "they are our notes, we'll let
the doctor read them if we feel like it!" Why the health service thinks
that notes, scans, etc. are theirs and not the patient's I don't know.

SteveW

On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 23:03:41 UTC, Steve Walker wrote:
On 31/01/2018 22:24, Huge wrote:
On 2018-01-31, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2018-01-30, Graham wrote:

looking for something else last week, I came across an installation manual
with large letters on the front "DO NOT LEAVE WITH CUSTOMER"

That was printed on the installation instructions for my Gloworm
boiler.

Something like "Not to be read by the patient" used to adorn medical
notes hanging from the foot of hospital beds.

Did they leave that there if the patient was sufficiently able-bodied
to reach it? Something like that would certainly get my attention &
I'd try to get a look at it.

I *always* read my notes. And then ask for explanations of what things
mean. I was given my notes at one clinic in a sealed envelope to give
to the doctor. I opened and read them. No-one's ever complained about
this behaviour.

My opinion - since we were repeatedly handed sealed envelopes of scans
when my wife was pregnant - has been that "they are our notes, we'll let
the doctor read them if we feel like it!" Why the health service thinks
that notes, scans, etc. are theirs and not the patient's I don't know.

SteveW

legally they are, they're the nhs's property, their notes about us. Still the decision to refuse or make difficult getting basic data eg blood test results does seem more than a little patronising & unhelpful.

I won't even mention their reinterpretation of the DPA.


NT

On 2018-01-31, Steve Walker wrote:

On 31/01/2018 22:24, Huge wrote:
On 2018-01-31, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2018-01-30, Graham wrote:

looking for something else last week, I came across an installation manual
with large letters on the front "DO NOT LEAVE WITH CUSTOMER"

That was printed on the installation instructions for my Gloworm
boiler.

Something like "Not to be read by the patient" used to adorn medical
notes hanging from the foot of hospital beds.

Did they leave that there if the patient was sufficiently able-bodied
to reach it? Something like that would certainly get my attention &
I'd try to get a look at it.

I *always* read my notes. And then ask for explanations of what things
mean. I was given my notes at one clinic in a sealed envelope to give
to the doctor. I opened and read them. No-one's ever complained about
this behaviour.

My opinion - since we were repeatedly handed sealed envelopes of scans
when my wife was pregnant - has been that "they are our notes, we'll let
the doctor read them if we feel like it!" Why the health service thinks
that notes, scans, etc. are theirs and not the patient's I don't know.

I think it would be a bad idea not to pass them on to the doctor, but
I would certainly have no qualms about opening sealed envelopes of
notes on me & looking at them first.

On 2018-01-31, wrote:

On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:00:07 UTC, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2018-01-30, Graham wrote:

looking for something else last week, I came across an installation manual
with large letters on the front "DO NOT LEAVE WITH CUSTOMER"

That was printed on the installation instructions for my Gloworm
boiler.

Something like "Not to be read by the patient" used to adorn medical
notes hanging from the foot of hospital beds.

Did they leave that there if the patient was sufficiently able-bodied
to reach it? Something like that would certainly get my attention &
I'd try to get a look at it.

They do. I did. I got told off for it.
I don't recall seeing the words "Not to be read by the patient" but the policy still applies.

I don't see how you can be expected to know about the policy before
you get told off (but I'd read them anyway).

Steve Walker wrote:

On 31/01/2018 22:24, Huge wrote:
On 2018-01-31, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2018-01-30, Graham wrote:

looking for something else last week, I came across an installation
manual with large letters on the front "DO NOT LEAVE WITH CUSTOMER"

That was printed on the installation instructions for my Gloworm
boiler.

Something like "Not to be read by the patient" used to adorn medical
notes hanging from the foot of hospital beds.

Did they leave that there if the patient was sufficiently able-bodied
to reach it? Something like that would certainly get my attention &
I'd try to get a look at it.

I *always* read my notes. And then ask for explanations of what things
mean. I was given my notes at one clinic in a sealed envelope to give
to the doctor. I opened and read them. No-one's ever complained about
this behaviour.

My opinion - since we were repeatedly handed sealed envelopes of scans
when my wife was pregnant - has been that "they are our notes, we'll let
the doctor read them if we feel like it!" Why the health service thinks
that notes, scans, etc. are theirs and not the patient's I don't know.

SteveW

Iniquitously enough, because they *do* legally belong to the health
service and not to you. And it is illegal for a random junior staff
member of the health service to let you read them. If someone's got the
energy, this is worthy of a petition some time. The trouble is that you
will find that a lot of people believe that some people (not themselves,
you understand) need protecting from the contents of the notes. It is
not just (some) doctors who think like this. As I am sure you know, in
most countries the medical notes do belong to the patient, and are often
kept by the patient.


--

Roger Hayter

On Thursday, 1 February 2018 09:45:06 UTC, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2018-01-31, tabbypurr wrote:
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:00:07 UTC, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2018-01-30, Graham wrote:

looking for something else last week, I came across an installation manual
with large letters on the front "DO NOT LEAVE WITH CUSTOMER"

That was printed on the installation instructions for my Gloworm
boiler.

Something like "Not to be read by the patient" used to adorn medical
notes hanging from the foot of hospital beds.

Did they leave that there if the patient was sufficiently able-bodied
to reach it? Something like that would certainly get my attention &
I'd try to get a look at it.

They do. I did. I got told off for it.
I don't recall seeing the words "Not to be read by the patient" but the policy still applies.

I don't see how you can be expected to know about the policy before
you get told off (but I'd read them anyway).

it makes as much sense as a lot of NHS decisions.


NT

On Thursday, 1 February 2018 10:20:24 UTC, Roger Hayter wrote:
Steve Walker wrote:
On 31/01/2018 22:24, Huge wrote:
On 2018-01-31, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2018-01-30, Graham wrote:

looking for something else last week, I came across an installation
manual with large letters on the front "DO NOT LEAVE WITH CUSTOMER"

That was printed on the installation instructions for my Gloworm
boiler.

Something like "Not to be read by the patient" used to adorn medical
notes hanging from the foot of hospital beds.

Did they leave that there if the patient was sufficiently able-bodied
to reach it? Something like that would certainly get my attention &
I'd try to get a look at it.

I *always* read my notes. And then ask for explanations of what things
mean. I was given my notes at one clinic in a sealed envelope to give
to the doctor. I opened and read them. No-one's ever complained about
this behaviour.

My opinion - since we were repeatedly handed sealed envelopes of scans
when my wife was pregnant - has been that "they are our notes, we'll let
the doctor read them if we feel like it!" Why the health service thinks
that notes, scans, etc. are theirs and not the patient's I don't know.

SteveW

Iniquitously enough, because they *do* legally belong to the health
service and not to you. And it is illegal for a random junior staff
member of the health service to let you read them. If someone's got the
energy, this is worthy of a petition some time. The trouble is that you
will find that a lot of people believe that some people (not themselves,
you understand) need protecting from the contents of the notes. It is
not just (some) doctors who think like this. As I am sure you know, in
most countries the medical notes do belong to the patient, and are often
kept by the patient.

It's true that a lot of people would be angry if they saw the content of such notes. But the problem is not that people need protecting from reality, it's that the NHS's ability to gather & store correct data is hopelessly poor, and they fail to implement any realistic data checking & correcting as per the DPA.

People keeping their own notes would solve a lot of this. The problem is that people in this country put the nhs on a huge pedestal on which they do not remotely belong.


NT

On 30/01/2018 22:44, wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 January 2018 21:45:00 UTC, Graham. wrote:
In article ,

looking for something else last week, I came across an installation manual
with large letters on the front "DO NOT LEAVE WITH CUSTOMER"

That was printed on the installation instructions for my Gloworm
boiler.

Something like "Not to be read by the patient" used to adorn medical
notes hanging from the foot of hospital beds.

The NHS still applies that policy.

Better than "DNR".

--
Max Demian

On Thursday, 1 February 2018 11:09:32 UTC, Max Demian wrote:
On 30/01/2018 22:44, tabbypurr wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 January 2018 21:45:00 UTC, Graham. wrote:
In article ,

looking for something else last week, I came across an installation manual
with large letters on the front "DO NOT LEAVE WITH CUSTOMER"

That was printed on the installation instructions for my Gloworm
boiler.

Something like "Not to be read by the patient" used to adorn medical
notes hanging from the foot of hospital beds.

The NHS still applies that policy.

Better than "DNR".

It still applies that too. Sometimes it's appropriate.


NT

On 01/02/2018 13:55, wrote:
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 11:09:32 UTC, Max Demian wrote:
Better than "DNR".

It still applies that too. Sometimes it's appropriate.

Since both my father and my father in law chose not to be treated for
something because it was a legal way for them to die, and since my
mother has a written Living Will which is effectively DNR - Yes.

Sometimes it is appropriate.

Andy