TheChief wrote:

We recently changed my Mrs Fiesta for a 2014 model. This comes with a tyre inflator and some green gunk. Does anyone
have experience of using this type of thing?
My previous car came with the compressor+gunk, the former was handy to
have, but it wasn't even worth considering using the latter the time I
needed a proper spare, had to be recovered off the motorway, and made
sure the next car at least had a space-saver, will never have gunk again.

Hi all

We recently changed my Mrs Fiesta for a 2014 model.
This comes with a tyre inflator and some green gunk.

Does anyone have experience of using this type of thing? I'd be
interested to know how they perform with a seriously gashed tyre,
rather than a nail hole.

I was considering going down to the scrap yard to try to get the
jack, wheel etc., But erindoors can't manage those due to back
issues.

Is my lack of confidence in the new alternative justified?

Thanks

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On 30/12/17 14:47, TheChief wrote:
Hi all

We recently changed my Mrs Fiesta for a 2014 model.
This comes with a tyre inflator and some green gunk.

Does anyone have experience of using this type of thing? I'd be
interested to know how they perform with a seriously gashed tyre,
rather than a nail hole.

I was considering going down to the scrap yard to try to get the
jack, wheel etc., But erindoors can't manage those due to back
issues.

Is my lack of confidence in the new alternative justified?

Thanks

Phil

I'd but a spare wheel. There are companies which supply 'space saver'
ones if you don't have space for a 'proper' one.

We've bought several, well a 'proper' one several years back and a
couple of space savers more recently. We used the proper one, once.
Touch wood, as they say, not yet needed the other two.

The idea of being stuck with a type the 'gunk' can't fix or writing off
a tyre because I've used 'gunk' and the tyre place doesn't like it just
doesn't appeal. Plus one of the cars is used in Europe- we tow it one a
trailer behind a motorhome. The idea of being stuck in France/Germany
etc with a duff tyre doesn't appeal.

I've looked at some 'plug' things but I not convinced they are legal or
safe. I know they were around in the earlier days of tubeless tyres but
understood they were banned. I now see they are sold on Ebay and there
are various details on YouTube. I'm not convinced.

On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 14:47:01 +0000 (GMT+00:00), TheChief
wrote:

Hi all

We recently changed my Mrs Fiesta for a 2014 model.
This comes with a tyre inflator and some green gunk.

Does anyone have experience of using this type of thing? I'd be
interested to know how they perform with a seriously gashed tyre,
rather than a nail hole.

I would say 'badly' and for good reason (you wouldn't want to travel
*any* distance on a damaged tyre).

That said, I saw someone stab a fairly large pocket knife blade into a
motorcycle tyre (at a motorcycle show / demonstration g) and whilst
I'm pretty sure it wasn't part of the demo, the sealant held air
pressure ok (Punctureseal) but that wasn't one of the 'get you home'
foams, this was something you pre-treat the tyres with.

http://www.punctureseal.com/car.html

I was considering going down to the scrap yard to try to get the
jack, wheel etc., But erindoors can't manage those due to back
issues.

Partly for the reason you state above ... and simply because none of
us want to get caught out with a small puncture that slowly turns in a
deflated tyre and a blowout (especially on our trailers etc) or being
on a busy road at night and in the rain (punctures rarely happen at
any other times), all our vehicles are treated with Punctureseal.

Whilst we have never had a puncture (that we know of g) since
running with Punctureseal, I have used it retrospectively (not really
how it was designed to work) at least 5 times now and with 100%
success (2 x motorbike and 3 x car).

If the concept is good enough for Continental tyres ...

https://www.continental-tyres.co.uk/...main/contiseal


Please don't confuse Punctureseal with any other products (even with a
similar name) and especially the latex foams that are supposed to get
you home (that may or may not work, I've never used them personally).

Oh, and because Punctureseal is water soluble (when not cured etc) it
*can* be easily washed out of a tyre (I've done so on one that had
been filled for 7 years), not that you should ever need to. I've also
transferred some over between tyres, again, not 'recommended' as such
but not against it's practical use either.

The stuff isn't 'cheap' as such (~£7/ tyre I think we calculated last
time), but the insurance often isn't, but it's the peace of mind you
might enjoy, especially for those less equipped / able to change a
wheel safely and un-assisted (and of course the price goes down if you
buy larger quantities). I bet few would question even 50 quid / car /
set of tyres if it even stopped you having to change one spare wheel
or get one puncture repaired, especially when it could be dangerous to
do so (motorway / dual carriageway etc), or simply inconvinient.

There isn't really anything that would (should) protect against a
badly damaged tyre and I think only runflats sound be expected to even
get close (and then should be replaced in any case and can still get
punctures of course).

Cheers, T i m

p.s. No connection, just very happy and long term user. YMMV. ;-)

On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 15:10:08 +0000, Brian Reay wrote:

snip

The idea of being stuck with a type the 'gunk' can't fix or writing off
a tyre because I've used 'gunk' and the tyre place doesn't like it just
doesn't appeal.

snip

But as with all these things, not all 'gunks' are created equal Brian.
;-(

For example, I gave half a container of Punctureseal to a mate to
retrospectively fix a puncture in one of his motorcycle tyres (which
it did) and so the felt he should replace it but without realising it,
got the wrong (similar sounding / looking) thing. I just assumed it
was a re-vamp of the same product and after a while, used it to help
our daughters BF out (and retrospectively) on the rear tyre of his
motorcyle. Long / short, after applying way over the right quantity of
said sealant to the tyre over a few goes, it didn't reliably fix it.
;-(

I have use Punctureseal retrospectively on 5 vehicles now and it has
resolved the puncture in all cases for the full life of the tyre.

So, unlike you, I personally wouldn't feel safe going out *without*
having this particular 'gunk' in my vehicles and the Meriva is still
running fine after treating one tyre (retrospectively) for a puncture
some time back now (I did the other tyres while I was at it). ;-)

Oh, and no tyre place has ever batted an eye when they have removed a
treated tyre and seen the 'gunk'. A possible reason being I wasn't
taking it there to fix a puncture (I've not had one so far with a
treated tyre touch wood) and if I had been for some reason, the
stuff just washes out with a hose on in the sink. shrug

So, I'm not talking about all 'gunks' here, I'm specifically and only
talking about Punctureseal. At a lower level I have also used the
product called 'Slime' on cycle tyres and that also seems to work ok
and I'm sure others will be able to bring their positive experiences
with other products.

Cheers, T i m

http://www.punctureseal.com/motorhomes.html

Well not exactly good names for products though, are they? Is this some kind
of reverse snobbery on the tyre front?
Brian

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On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 15:10:08 +0000, Brian Reay wrote:

snip

The idea of being stuck with a type the 'gunk' can't fix or writing off
a tyre because I've used 'gunk' and the tyre place doesn't like it just
doesn't appeal.

snip

But as with all these things, not all 'gunks' are created equal Brian.
;-(

For example, I gave half a container of Punctureseal to a mate to
retrospectively fix a puncture in one of his motorcycle tyres (which
it did) and so the felt he should replace it but without realising it,
got the wrong (similar sounding / looking) thing. I just assumed it
was a re-vamp of the same product and after a while, used it to help
our daughters BF out (and retrospectively) on the rear tyre of his
motorcyle. Long / short, after applying way over the right quantity of
said sealant to the tyre over a few goes, it didn't reliably fix it.
;-(

I have use Punctureseal retrospectively on 5 vehicles now and it has
resolved the puncture in all cases for the full life of the tyre.

So, unlike you, I personally wouldn't feel safe going out *without*
having this particular 'gunk' in my vehicles and the Meriva is still
running fine after treating one tyre (retrospectively) for a puncture
some time back now (I did the other tyres while I was at it). ;-)

Oh, and no tyre place has ever batted an eye when they have removed a
treated tyre and seen the 'gunk'. A possible reason being I wasn't
taking it there to fix a puncture (I've not had one so far with a
treated tyre touch wood) and if I had been for some reason, the
stuff just washes out with a hose on in the sink. shrug

So, I'm not talking about all 'gunks' here, I'm specifically and only
talking about Punctureseal. At a lower level I have also used the
product called 'Slime' on cycle tyres and that also seems to work ok
and I'm sure others will be able to bring their positive experiences
with other products.

Cheers, T i m

http://www.punctureseal.com/motorhomes.html

On Saturday, 30 December 2017 14:47:04 UTC, TheChief wrote:
Hi all

We recently changed my Mrs Fiesta for a 2014 model.
This comes with a tyre inflator and some green gunk.

Does anyone have experience of using this type of thing? I'd be
interested to know how they perform with a seriously gashed tyre,
rather than a nail hole.

I was considering going down to the scrap yard to try to get the
jack, wheel etc., But erindoors can't manage those due to back
issues.

Is my lack of confidence in the new alternative justified?

It won't fix any kind of gash, even a small one.
Only does nail holes etc.
Works good on nail holes.

The good news is, after you've used it, they won't repair the puncture, you have to buy a new tyre.

On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 16:21:22 -0000, "Brian Gaff"
wrote:

Well not exactly good names for products though, are they?

Are you talking about Gunge and Slime Brian? If so I think 'Gunge' is
just a generic term people tend to use for such things and 'Slime' is
a fairly accurate description for what it is, it may also be
considered 'hip' in the cycling world?

Is this some kind
of reverse snobbery on the tyre front?

I don't think so, I just think it's one of those things. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 08:43:33 -0800 (PST), harry
wrote:

snip

It won't fix any kind of gash, even a small one.
Only does nail holes etc.
Works good on nail holes.

(Punctureseal) Works very well on nail holes, even if they are fairly
big ones (up to 6mm diameter I believe).

The good news is, after you've used it, they won't repair the puncture, you have to buy a new tyre.

And the advantage of stuff like Punctureseal, they *will* repair the
tyre (if you felt the need). ;-)

Cheers, T i m

In article ,
TheChief wrote:
We recently changed my Mrs Fiesta for a 2014 model.
This comes with a tyre inflator and some green gunk.

Does anyone have experience of using this type of thing? I'd be
interested to know how they perform with a seriously gashed tyre,
rather than a nail hole.

I was considering going down to the scrap yard to try to get the
jack, wheel etc., But erindoors can't manage those due to back
issues.

Is my lack of confidence in the new alternative justified?

Yes. Even if you can't change a wheel yourself, the AA etc can. If the
tyre can't be fixed by that kit. Otherwise means having the car towed home.

Other thing I've been told is that if you use that gunk, a simple puncture
can't be properly repaired. But dunno for sure.

I've got the same problem here. But my car has little room for a spare, so
perhaps more justified.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Huge wrote:
SWMBO's car has no spare. That bothered me. But then, when did you
last have a flat tire? 1990-something, in my case.

I've had to buy two new tyres in the past couple of months. Due to screws
in them. Neither actually went flat, but both scrap even with lots of
tread left. Over 200 quid a pop.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 17:23:05 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Huge wrote:
SWMBO's car has no spare. That bothered me. But then, when did you
last have a flat tire? 1990-something, in my case.

I've had to buy two new tyres in the past couple of months. Due to screws
in them. Neither actually went flat, but both scrap even with lots of
tread left.

Was this because the damage was too near the sidewall?

Over 200 quid a pop.

Ouch.

Cheers, T i m

On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 17:21:11 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
TheChief wrote:
We recently changed my Mrs Fiesta for a 2014 model.
This comes with a tyre inflator and some green gunk.

Does anyone have experience of using this type of thing? I'd be
interested to know how they perform with a seriously gashed tyre,
rather than a nail hole.

I was considering going down to the scrap yard to try to get the
jack, wheel etc., But erindoors can't manage those due to back
issues.

Is my lack of confidence in the new alternative justified?

Yes. Even if you can't change a wheel yourself, the AA etc can. If the
tyre can't be fixed by that kit. Otherwise means having the car towed home.

Towed ... on a dolly I assume? ;-)

Other thing I've been told is that if you use that gunk, a simple puncture
can't be properly repaired. But dunno for sure.

I'm not sure about 'that gunk' either, and why I wouldn't bother with
it.

I've got the same problem here.

With tyres that price even an extra tenner per corner (assuming they
are biggish) for protection against the most basic of puncture might
be worth the peace of mind (let alone the cost of damaging a tyre
because you ran it soft)?

But my car has little room for a spare, so
perhaps more justified.

I guess it's one of those things you / some need to experience before
they 'get it'. I have used it (Punctureseal) enough to know how / that
does work and only when it should.

e.g. Daughter clipped a sharp sticking-out paving stone whilst
avoiding someone who should have given way and it bit a 5p sized hole
out of the sidewall of her nearly new van tyre (isn't it always the
way). ;-(

The Punctureseal didn't try to fix that because none of it was inside
the sidewall. However, we were able to recover the Punctureseal from
the nearly new tyre and put it in the spare (and washed the remains
out of the damaged tyre to show that we could). ;-)

Apart from protecting from punctures by instantly fixing the leak it's
also supposed to reduce the risk of damage by allowing the object to
be ejected sooner (or at all) because of the sealant going out past
the object, lubricating it and allowing it to be thrown out due to
centripetal force.

Cheers, T i m

On 30/12/2017 14:47, TheChief wrote:
Hi all

We recently changed my Mrs Fiesta for a 2014 model.
This comes with a tyre inflator and some green gunk.

Does anyone have experience of using this type of thing? I'd be
interested to know how they perform with a seriously gashed tyre,
rather than a nail hole.

I was considering going down to the scrap yard to try to get the
jack, wheel etc., But erindoors can't manage those due to back
issues.

Is my lack of confidence in the new alternative justified?

Pick up a spare and a jack from the scrap yard, along with an extension
tube for the wheel brace. At least she'll have a chance of getting home
(with help if needed) with that compared with a shredded sidewall and a
bottle of useless sealant.

--
F

On 30/12/2017 18:32, F wrote:
On 30/12/2017 14:47, TheChief wrote:
Hi all

We recently changed my Mrs Fiesta for a 2014 model.
This comes with a tyre inflator and some green gunk.

Does anyone have experience of using this type of thing? I'd be
* interested to know how they perform with a seriously gashed tyre,
* rather than a nail hole.

I was considering going down to the scrap yard to try to get the
* jack, wheel etc., But erindoors can't manage those due to back
* issues.

Is my lack of confidence in the new alternative justified?

Pick up a spare and a jack from the scrap yard, along with an extension
tube for the wheel brace. At least she'll have a chance of getting home
(with help if needed) with that compared with a shredded sidewall and a
bottle of useless sealant.

Should have added that a subscription to AutoAid would be a good move too.

--
F

TheChief Wrote in message:
Hi all

We recently changed my Mrs Fiesta for a 2014 model.
This comes with a tyre inflator and some green gunk.

Does anyone have experience of using this type of thing? I'd be
interested to know how they perform with a seriously gashed tyre,
rather than a nail hole.

I was considering going down to the scrap yard to try to get the
jack, wheel etc., But erindoors can't manage those due to back
issues.

Is my lack of confidence in the new alternative justified?

Thanks

Phil


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Many thanks for all the useful comment guys.

One annoyance with all this is that the car has what looks like a
full depth spare wheel well.

So to save a few quid and perhaps some weight, the driver gets
stuck with a far interior solution to an age old
problem.

Phil
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F news@nowhere Wrote in message:
On 30/12/2017 18:32, F wrote:
On 30/12/2017 14:47, TheChief wrote:
Hi all

We recently changed my Mrs Fiesta for a 2014 model.
This comes with a tyre inflator and some green gunk.

Does anyone have experience of using this type of thing? I'd be
interested to know how they perform with a seriously gashed tyre,
rather than a nail hole.

I was considering going down to the scrap yard to try to get the
jack, wheel etc., But erindoors can't manage those due to back
issues.

Is my lack of confidence in the new alternative justified?

Pick up a spare and a jack from the scrap yard, along with an extension
tube for the wheel brace. At least she'll have a chance of getting home
(with help if needed) with that compared with a shredded sidewall and a
bottle of useless sealant.

Should have added that a subscription to AutoAid would be a good move too.

--
F


Yes we both have breakdown assistance via insurance.

Can't help thinking that the number of call outs for their
services will have increased with the introduction of these cost
saving devices.
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On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 18:37:29 +0000 (GMT+00:00), TheChief
wrote:

snip

One annoyance with all this is that the car has what looks like a
full depth spare wheel well.

So to save a few quid and perhaps some weight, the driver gets
stuck with a far interior solution to an age old
problem.

Except, you don't *have* to be stuck with it, there are modern
alternatives.

When we are motorcycle touring we can't easily carry spare tyres and
so we protect ourselves about the only way we feel appropriate by
making the tyres puncture proof, at least against the everyday
punctures.

The second line being AA Relay and / or the hope of getting a
replacement tyre for a supplier, wherever we happen to be.

It seems foolhardy to me to risk damaging a tyre or getting a blowout
because you inadvertently drive any distance, especially at speed
before realising you picked up a slow puncture a good few miles back.

Now, if you have tyre pressure monitors / warnings then at least you
should be protected from some of that but you still have to deal with
the puncture ... that you may well have never suffered from in the
first place with a little bit of preventative preparation.

'Of course', nothing is ever 100% but if it was only 50% that could
worth paying a few quid for?

Who goes on holiday without travel insurance or drives without some
sort of breakdown / recovery service ... or a credit card and a cell
phone at least?

All our cars, motorbikes, cycles and trailers are treated with
Punctureseal because a puncture in any of them at any time would
probably spoil our day. It would definitely spoil the Wife's day
because even though she built the kitcar with me, her various health
and mobility issues (even the arthritis in her hands / fingers) would
mean even changing a wheel a pretty difficult / dangerous experience
(even if she was able to find the telescopic brace and get the jack
out and in the right place).

Personally, I rather she didn't have to try ...

Cheers, T i m

On 30/12/2017 14:47, TheChief wrote:
Hi all

We recently changed my Mrs Fiesta for a 2014 model.
This comes with a tyre inflator and some green gunk.

Does anyone have experience of using this type of thing? I'd be
interested to know how they perform with a seriously gashed tyre,
rather than a nail hole.

I was considering going down to the scrap yard to try to get the
jack, wheel etc., But erindoors can't manage those due to back
issues.

Is my lack of confidence in the new alternative justified?

Thanks

Phil


I would not be without a spare of some sort - preferably a full size
wheel and tyre, but if there's not enough space even a spacesaver is
better than nothing. No amount of sealing gunge is going to seal a
decent gash in the tyre if you're unlucky enough to sustain one. If "er
indoors" can't change a wheel herself, somebody else (AA etc. if you
have a breakdown service) will - but only if you carry a serviceable spare.

If you now have a 2014 model, it should by law have been factory fitted
with tyre pressure monitors. If you get a slow puncture from a nail,
etc. these will warn you before the pressure gets dangerously low. It
might be worth considering buying one of those emergency start battery
packs with a built-in tyre inflator (or even just a tyre inflator which
plugs into the cigar socket). That way, if the pressure monitors warn
you of a slow puncture, you can keep topping up the pressure until you
can get it dealt with properly.
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T i m Wrote in message:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 18:37:29 +0000 (GMT+00:00), TheChief
wrote:

snip

One annoyance with all this is that the car has what looks like a
full depth spare wheel well.

So to save a few quid and perhaps some weight, the driver gets
stuck with a far interior solution to an age old
problem.

Except, you don't *have* to be stuck with it, there are modern
alternatives.

When we are motorcycle touring we can't easily carry spare tyres and
so we protect ourselves about the only way we feel appropriate by
making the tyres puncture proof, at least against the everyday
punctures.

The second line being AA Relay and / or the hope of getting a
replacement tyre for a supplier, wherever we happen to be.

It seems foolhardy to me to risk damaging a tyre or getting a blowout
because you inadvertently drive any distance, especially at speed
before realising you picked up a slow puncture a good few miles back.

Now, if you have tyre pressure monitors / warnings then at least you
should be protected from some of that but you still have to deal with
the puncture ... that you may well have never suffered from in the
first place with a little bit of preventative preparation.

'Of course', nothing is ever 100% but if it was only 50% that could
worth paying a few quid for?

Who goes on holiday without travel insurance or drives without some
sort of breakdown / recovery service ... or a credit card and a cell
phone at least?

All our cars, motorbikes, cycles and trailers are treated with
Punctureseal because a puncture in any of them at any time would
probably spoil our day. It would definitely spoil the Wife's day
because even though she built the kitcar with me, her various health
and mobility issues (even the arthritis in her hands / fingers) would
mean even changing a wheel a pretty difficult / dangerous experience
(even if she was able to find the telescopic brace and get the jack
out and in the right place).

Personally, I rather she didn't have to try ...

Cheers, T i m


Thanks Tim

I didn't miss your post on PunctureSeal, but still feel more
comfortable with the old fashioned spare option.

Phil
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In article ,
F news@nowhere writes:
On 30/12/2017 14:47, TheChief wrote:
Hi all

We recently changed my Mrs Fiesta for a 2014 model.
This comes with a tyre inflator and some green gunk.

Does anyone have experience of using this type of thing? I'd be
interested to know how they perform with a seriously gashed tyre,
rather than a nail hole.

I was considering going down to the scrap yard to try to get the
jack, wheel etc., But erindoors can't manage those due to back
issues.

Is my lack of confidence in the new alternative justified?

Pick up a spare and a jack from the scrap yard, along with an extension
tube for the wheel brace. At least she'll have a chance of getting home
(with help if needed) with that compared with a shredded sidewall and a
bottle of useless sealant.

Does the car have anywhere safe to store it, i.e. somewhere where
it's fixed, so it doesn't become a missile to kill you in a crash?

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Andrew Gabriel
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On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 21:13:41 +0000 (GMT+00:00), TheChief
wrote:

snip

All our cars, motorbikes, cycles and trailers are treated with
Punctureseal because a puncture in any of them at any time would
probably spoil our day. It would definitely spoil the Wife's day
because even though she built the kitcar with me, her various health
and mobility issues (even the arthritis in her hands / fingers) would
mean even changing a wheel a pretty difficult / dangerous experience
(even if she was able to find the telescopic brace and get the jack
out and in the right place).

Personally, I rather she didn't have to try ...

Thanks Tim

You are welcome. ;-)

I didn't miss your post on PunctureSeal, but still feel more
comfortable with the old fashioned spare option.

Fair enough, however, IMHO it's not a one or the other solution. ;-(

Someone, when talking about GPS's said he'd just paid a large sum for
a new motorbike and couldn't afford to spend any more on a GPS 'for
it'.

My point was that 'the motorbike' wouldn't GAF about a GPS, the GPS
was *for him*. ;-)

When the LT lead broke off the capacitor on my moped, I used a
screwdriver though the hole in the flywheel to scratch a slot in the
solder and then the screwdriver and a brick to peen the solder back
over the wire and rode home.

When the Morris Minor van lost the top trunion joint whilst going
round a corner on a busy high street, I used my towrope to form a
Spanish Windlass and bind it back together and drove home.

When the clutch cable snapped on my Sierra whilst out with the family
one day, I got the spare out from the boot and with my Leatherman
pocket tool, replaced it at the side of the road and continued with my
day.

When the Bedford CF campervan got a piece of swarf in the carb float
jet, again I used the Leatherman to strip the top off the carb and fix
the problem.

My point is whilst I and many here can and have done those sorts of
things by the roadside and under less than ideal conditions, many
can't and when they can't they can really be in trouble, even if it's
simply parked up on the hard shoulder of a motorway or down some dark
country lane with something as simple as a puncture (assuming it
wasn't driven on for miles at speed and then became a blowout etc).
;-( [1]

So, all of our cars and vans have a spare wheel but because not
everyone who drives them would be able to change a wheel safely, at
night, in the dark and in the rain, I think it's a 'good idea',
especially if you amortized the cost over the number of miles a set of
tyres typically last, that they might just be saved from such a risk
in the first place by the addition of a few quids worth of sealant. In
fact, I can't see why everyone in such circumstances or even if they
aren't, doesn't do it?

Now, one reason might be because not everone knows about such stuff
.... or they confuse the negative thoughts surrounding the 'get you
home' cans (like 'they don't work' or 'you can't repair a tyre
afterwards') with the lack of those negatives with the likes of
Punctureseal.

It's not a 'should I carry a torch', it's a 'should I put my safety
belt on or not' choice (IMHO anyway). ;-)

As I said, all our cars and vans have spare tyres (and I try to ensure
they also carry a foot pump and telescopic wheel brace and torch etc)
I am more comforted to know that 'my girls' may never have need to use
them, just for the quick and simple application of a bit of sealant
(daughter did her Corsa and Van herself in the road (in the warm, dry
and daylight g) in about 20 mins each).

Just to be clear here, I've never suggested that Punctureseal (as
that's the only one I have long term experience of) can (should) or
will work in every instance, just that I've not had a puncture (that I
know of and with fingers crossed etc) in any tyre I've treated with it
and not lost any air in any of the 5 or so punctures I've used it to
repair retrospectively.

'Of course' many tyre places aren't going to offer you such ...
because they want to sell you tyres and charge for puncture repairs
but I understand there are many organisations who install it as std,
simply because the want to protect their own interests etc.

Cheers, T i m

[1] Years ago the Mrs picked me up from the station and as soon as we
pulled away I heard the anti-static strap rubbing on the ground and
that told me something wasn't right. I got her to stop and a quick
look round the car revealed a partially deflated rear tyre. I believe
if I was driving the vehicle I would have felt it. ;-( So I pumped it
up, we got home and I applied Punctureseal outside the house (still
wearing my suite g). The tyre was still on the car when I finally
broke it many years later. ;-)

http://www.punctureseal.com/document...est-Report.pdf

On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 21:14:59 +0000, Roger Mills
wrote:

snip

I would not be without a spare of some sort - preferably a full size
wheel and tyre,

Something I used to enjoy on my Lambretta SX150 scooter but not so
easy (realistically) on most our motorbikes. ;-(

but if there's not enough space even a spacesaver is
better than nothing.

Agreed. We try to carry a folding tyre on the cycles.

No amount of sealing gunge is going to seal a
decent gash in the tyre if you're unlucky enough to sustain one.

Agreed (and in fact it *should* try to seal such damage). However, it
has been suggested that it can slow the deflation to the point where
it buys you enough time to come to a safe halt or get somewhere
'safe'.

If "er
indoors" can't change a wheel herself, somebody else (AA etc. if you
have a breakdown service) will

Once they get there ...

- but only if you carry a serviceable spare.

I believe many carry a 'universal' / Multi-fit wheel that should fit
most common car hubs and stud patterns.

https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/mi...-fits-any-car/

If you now have a 2014 model, it should by law have been factory fitted
with tyre pressure monitors. If you get a slow puncture from a nail,
etc. these will warn you before the pressure gets dangerously low.

Good idea too. ;-)

It
might be worth considering buying one of those emergency start battery
packs with a built-in tyre inflator (or even just a tyre inflator which
plugs into the cigar socket).

+! I have one of those (tyre inflator / lamp) along with a
conventional footpump (both in the boot).

That way, if the pressure monitors warn
you of a slow puncture, you can keep topping up the pressure until you
can get it dealt with properly.

Or ... you could pre-emptively treat all 4 wheels with a sealant that
should prevent you suffering with most punctures in the first place,
dealing with it 'automatically'. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 23:19:39 +0000, T i m wrote:

snip

No amount of sealing gunge is going to seal a
decent gash in the tyre if you're unlucky enough to sustain one.

Agreed (and in fact it *should* try to seal such damage).

Doh, *shouldn't* ... ;-(

Cheers, T i m

On 30/12/2017 17:49, T i m wrote:

Apart from protecting from punctures by instantly fixing the leak it's
also supposed to reduce the risk of damage by allowing the object to
be ejected sooner (or at all) because of the sealant going out past
the object, lubricating it and allowing it to be thrown out due to
centripetal force.

Cheers, T i m



How often do you check the tyres to see if the punctureseal has sealed a
hole?
Its not an approved method of repair AFAIK so it makes it illegal to
drive on the tyre or at least not for long.

I feel that doing a visual inspection of all of each tyre daily is a bit
of a problem especially when dirt might hide the gunk.

In article ,
F news@nowhere wrote:
On 30/12/2017 14:47, TheChief wrote:
Hi all

We recently changed my Mrs Fiesta for a 2014 model.
This comes with a tyre inflator and some green gunk.

Does anyone have experience of using this type of thing? I'd be
interested to know how they perform with a seriously gashed tyre,
rather than a nail hole.

I was considering going down to the scrap yard to try to get the
jack, wheel etc., But erindoors can't manage those due to back
issues.

Is my lack of confidence in the new alternative justified?

Pick up a spare and a jack from the scrap yard, along with an extension
tube for the wheel brace. At least she'll have a chance of getting home
(with help if needed) with that compared with a shredded sidewall and a
bottle of useless sealant.

Undoing the bolts may or not be a problem - but you can always stand on
the brace if not strong enough. But getting a wheel off the centre can be
a right pain. As can fitting the spare. For someone not used to doing
this. And larger vehicles can have very heavy wheels.

--
*I couldn't repair your brakes, so I made your horn louder *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 23:34:28 +0000, "dennis@home"
wrote:

On 30/12/2017 17:49, T i m wrote:

Apart from protecting from punctures by instantly fixing the leak it's
also supposed to reduce the risk of damage by allowing the object to
be ejected sooner (or at all) because of the sealant going out past
the object, lubricating it and allowing it to be thrown out due to
centripetal force.

Cheers, T i m



How often do you check the tyres to see if the punctureseal has sealed a
hole?

Only if I have the wheel off for some other reason?

Its not an approved method of repair AFAIK so it makes it illegal to
drive on the tyre or at least not for long.

Can you cite any proof of that assertion?

Are you suggesting that Continental tyres with the ContiSeal
technology are illegal for use in this country?

I feel that doing a visual inspection of all of each tyre daily is a bit
of a problem especially when dirt might hide the gunk.

Quite.

OOI, do you do a daily inspection of your tyres to see if they have
picked up something that might cause a puncture, or have already
punctured your tyres?

Or, assuming you don't have tyre pressure sensors, could you drive
some distance at some speed with a slowly deflating tyre and hope that
you 'notice' the tyre is soft before it explodes?

When you get a puncture repaired traditionally (plug / mushroom), how
much of the fabric (plys etc) of the tyre is inspected (within the
hole) to ensure no damage has been done?

Cheers, T i m

On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 08:43:33 -0800 (PST), harry
wrote:

On Saturday, 30 December 2017 14:47:04 UTC, TheChief wrote:
Hi all

We recently changed my Mrs Fiesta for a 2014 model.
This comes with a tyre inflator and some green gunk.

Does anyone have experience of using this type of thing? I'd be
interested to know how they perform with a seriously gashed tyre,
rather than a nail hole.

I was considering going down to the scrap yard to try to get the
jack, wheel etc., But erindoors can't manage those due to back
issues.

Is my lack of confidence in the new alternative justified?

It won't fix any kind of gash, even a small one.
Only does nail holes etc.
Works good on nail holes.

The good news is, after you've used it, they won't repair the puncture, you have to buy a new tyre.

Depending on what 'it' is maybe?

https://www.holtsauto.com/holts/products/tyreweld/

“Unlike some of our competitors, Holts Tyreweld does not damage your
tyres. After using Tyreweld, the puncture can be repaired according to
the British standard BS AU159:f.”

Cheers, T i m

T i m wrote:

When the LT lead broke off the capacitor on my moped, I used a
screwdriver though the hole in the flywheel to scratch a slot in the
solder and then the screwdriver and a brick to peen the solder back
over the wire and rode home.

There was an occasion, whilst plodding along the East Lancs Road
on my Honda 50, when the slightly oscillating engine sound that I
now know to be the sign of a worn/ stretched chain was followed
by the noise of the chain wrapping itself around the sprocket.

I hitched into Warrington, bought a new chain and chain wheel (no
sprocket in stock), removed flash from the sprocket using the
kerbstone, and continued on my journey.

When the clutch cable snapped on my Sierra whilst out with the family
one day, I got the spare out from the boot and with my Leatherman
pocket tool, replaced it at the side of the road and continued with my
day.

When my Volvo 240 suddenly failed to close the throttle when I
lifted off, I spotted the failed carburetor spring, improvised
with a bit of elastic, which was fine for the rest of the trip.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK


Plant amazing Acers.

On 30/12/2017 18:37, TheChief wrote:


Many thanks for all the useful comment guys.

One annoyance with all this is that the car has what looks like a
full depth spare wheel well.

So to save a few quid and perhaps some weight, the driver gets
stuck with a far interior solution to an age old
problem.

Phil


Just about every car new i have looked at in the last three months has
the option of a spare. Vauxhall charge £95, ford £105, IIRC.
Most drivers don't opt for one as they don't know how to change the
wheel in the first place.

They just call the AA/RAC/GF and let them sort it.

On 31/12/2017 00:06, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 23:34:28 +0000, "dennis@home"
wrote:

On 30/12/2017 17:49, T i m wrote:

Apart from protecting from punctures by instantly fixing the leak it's
also supposed to reduce the risk of damage by allowing the object to
be ejected sooner (or at all) because of the sealant going out past
the object, lubricating it and allowing it to be thrown out due to
centripetal force.

Cheers, T i m



How often do you check the tyres to see if the punctureseal has sealed a
hole?

Only if I have the wheel off for some other reason?

Its not an approved method of repair AFAIK so it makes it illegal to
drive on the tyre or at least not for long.

Can you cite any proof of that assertion?

Are you suggesting that Continental tyres with the ContiSeal
technology are illegal for use in this country?

I feel that doing a visual inspection of all of each tyre daily is a bit
of a problem especially when dirt might hide the gunk.

Quite.

OOI, do you do a daily inspection of your tyres to see if they have
picked up something that might cause a puncture, or have already
punctured your tyres?

Or, assuming you don't have tyre pressure sensors, could you drive
some distance at some speed with a slowly deflating tyre and hope that
you 'notice' the tyre is soft before it explodes?

I have sensors.
they are now compulsory on new cars, the EU saw to that.
Another reason to stay/comply with the regs.


When you get a puncture repaired traditionally (plug / mushroom), how
much of the fabric (plys etc) of the tyre is inspected (within the
hole) to ensure no damage has been done?

Modern tyres don't need much inspection, long gone are the days where
any damage to the cords required a new tyre.
(And to the days of tyre repair operators prodding at the hole with a
screwdriver until they broke the cords and you needed a new tyre.)

Damage to the side wall is non repairable as is anything close to the
edge of the tread as they flex too much and there is no reliable repair
not even punctureseal.


This link gives an idea of what can be repaired..

https://www.blackcircles.com/general/repair

As you can see any repair outside the area is not legal so if you get a
puncture outside the area that puncturseal "fixes" you still can't drive
on it without it failing a roadside or MOT check.
So you need to check frequently to know you aren't breaking the law as
you have no other way of knowing if it doesn't leak.

On 30/12/2017 18:49, TheChief wrote:
F news@nowhere Wrote in message:
On 30/12/2017 18:32, F wrote:
On 30/12/2017 14:47, TheChief wrote:
Hi all

We recently changed my Mrs Fiesta for a 2014 model.
This comes with a tyre inflator and some green gunk.

Does anyone have experience of using this type of thing? I'd be
interested to know how they perform with a seriously gashed tyre,
rather than a nail hole.

I was considering going down to the scrap yard to try to get the
jack, wheel etc., But erindoors can't manage those due to back
issues.

Is my lack of confidence in the new alternative justified?

Pick up a spare and a jack from the scrap yard, along with an extension
tube for the wheel brace. At least she'll have a chance of getting home
(with help if needed) with that compared with a shredded sidewall and a
bottle of useless sealant.

Should have added that a subscription to AutoAid would be a good move too.

--
F


Yes we both have breakdown assistance via insurance.

Can't help thinking that the number of call outs for their
services will have increased with the introduction of these cost
saving devices.


It probably hasn't made any difference as most people can't change their
wheels anyway.

On Sun, 31 Dec 2017 11:54:52 +0000, "dennis@home"
wrote:

snip

Or, assuming you don't have tyre pressure sensors, could you drive
some distance at some speed with a slowly deflating tyre and hope that
you 'notice' the tyre is soft before it explodes?

I have sensors.

Ok.

they are now compulsory on new cars, the EU saw to that.

What's that, the EU did something good! shrug

Another reason to stay/comply with the regs.

Ok.


When you get a puncture repaired traditionally (plug / mushroom), how
much of the fabric (plys etc) of the tyre is inspected (within the
hole) to ensure no damage has been done?

Modern tyres don't need much inspection, long gone are the days where
any damage to the cords required a new tyre.

Ok.

(And to the days of tyre repair operators prodding at the hole with a
screwdriver until they broke the cords and you needed a new tyre.)

Ok.

Damage to the side wall is non repairable

Correct.

as is anything close to the
edge of the tread as they flex too much and there is no reliable repair
not even punctureseal.

Are you sure about that? The thing is, if you try to plug a hole with
a chunk of rubber, even if 'vulcanised' to the inside, then it is
still a physical object stuck in the hole (especially if they drill /
file the hole bigger to fir a plug etc). Punctureseal, being a fibrous
gel is stuck into the insides of the hole and retains the same levels
of flexibility of the tyre itself.


This link gives an idea of what can be repaired..

https://www.blackcircles.com/general/repair

Yes, I know, but we aren't talking about dealing with a puncture in
the workshop, we are talking about using science and technology to not
have to in most cases. Let's face it, you could get a hole in a tyre
and not damage a tube and nothing bad would happen. As you have said
yourself, as long as the integrity of the carcase is still intact, the
only thing you need to do then is seal the insides of the hole to
prevent water / dirt penetration and stop the air getting out.

As you can see any repair outside the area is not legal so if you get a
puncture outside the area that puncturseal "fixes" you still can't drive
on it without it failing a roadside or MOT check.

It would be interesting to see what the MOT boys here think of that.

So you need to check frequently to know you aren't breaking the law as
you have no other way of knowing if it doesn't leak.

Given the choice of breaking any 'law' versus putting me or my family
at risk from changing a wheel in a dangerous situation or not noticing
a slow puncture before it became worse, I know what I would rather
choose (and have chosen). ;-)

I repeat, can you please cite me the regulations that condemn the use
of such a sealant in the UK?

https://www.blackcircles.com/tyres/b...ct-2-contiseal

Cheers, T i m

On Sun, 31 Dec 2017 10:01:02 +0000, Chris J Dixon
wrote:

T i m wrote:

When the LT lead broke off the capacitor on my moped, I used a
screwdriver though the hole in the flywheel to scratch a slot in the
solder and then the screwdriver and a brick to peen the solder back
over the wire and rode home.

There was an occasion, whilst plodding along the East Lancs Road
on my Honda 50, when the slightly oscillating engine sound that I
now know to be the sign of a worn/ stretched chain was followed
by the noise of the chain wrapping itself around the sprocket.

;-(

I hitched into Warrington, bought a new chain and chain wheel (no
sprocket in stock), removed flash from the sprocket using the
kerbstone, and continued on my journey.

Very 'stone age'. ;-)

I showed daughter how to knap flint and just how sharp the result
could be.

When the clutch cable snapped on my Sierra whilst out with the family
one day, I got the spare out from the boot and with my Leatherman
pocket tool, replaced it at the side of the road and continued with my
day.

When my Volvo 240 suddenly failed to close the throttle when I
lifted off, I spotted the failed carburetor spring, improvised
with a bit of elastic, which was fine for the rest of the trip.

And that's the thing ... some of us would look, would try to see what
was wrong and try to work out something to allow us to get home
(stories of strings connected to the throttle linkage and brought back
into the cabin etc).

We pulled into a side road and saw someone half up on the verge with a
spare wheel beside his car. It was obvious he had a puncture but
wasn't obvious why he wasn't changing the wheel. We offered to help be
he said he had called the AA ... shrug

We generally get a large discount off our AA renewal *because* we only
call them out in an emergency, not because we are too lazy to change a
wheel [1], run out of fuel or not fix the fixable.

Cheers, T i m

[1] I have driven out to the Mrs to change a wheel when she damaged
the sidewall on the car (again, trying to avoid someone who should
have given her right of way) because it was easier and likely quicker
for me to do it than her wait for the AA.

On 31/12/2017 12:24, T i m wrote:

I repeat, can you please cite me the regulations that condemn the use
of such a sealant in the UK?

https://www.blackcircles.com/tyres/b...ct-2-contiseal

Cheers, T i m


Quote

Not designed to be driven when flat, under inflated or as a permanent
puncture repair.

On 31/12/2017 11:56, dennis@home wrote:
On 30/12/2017 18:49, TheChief wrote:


Can't help thinking that the number of call outs for their
services will have increased with the introduction of these cost
saving devices.


It probably hasn't made any difference as most people can't change their
wheels anyway.


Is it a generational thing? At 75, I can still swap all 4 wheels on a
Volvo V70 with my winter set in under an hour.
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Cheers,
Roger
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T i m Wrote in message:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 21:13:41 +0000 (GMT+00:00), TheChief
wrote:

snip

All our cars, motorbikes, cycles and trailers are treated with
Punctureseal because a puncture in any of them at any time would
probably spoil our day. It would definitely spoil the Wife's day
because even though she built the kitcar with me, her various health
and mobility issues (even the arthritis in her hands / fingers) would
mean even changing a wheel a pretty difficult / dangerous experience
(even if she was able to find the telescopic brace and get the jack
out and in the right place).

Personally, I rather she didn't have to try ...

Thanks Tim

You are welcome. ;-)

I didn't miss your post on PunctureSeal, but still feel more
comfortable with the old fashioned spare option.

Fair enough, however, IMHO it's not a one or the other solution. ;-(

Someone, when talking about GPS's said he'd just paid a large sum for
a new motorbike and couldn't afford to spend any more on a GPS 'for
it'.

My point was that 'the motorbike' wouldn't GAF about a GPS, the GPS
was *for him*. ;-)

When the LT lead broke off the capacitor on my moped, I used a
screwdriver though the hole in the flywheel to scratch a slot in the
solder and then the screwdriver and a brick to peen the solder back
over the wire and rode home.

When the Morris Minor van lost the top trunion joint whilst going
round a corner on a busy high street, I used my towrope to form a
Spanish Windlass and bind it back together and drove home.

When the clutch cable snapped on my Sierra whilst out with the family
one day, I got the spare out from the boot and with my Leatherman
pocket tool, replaced it at the side of the road and continued with my
day.

When the Bedford CF campervan got a piece of swarf in the carb float
jet, again I used the Leatherman to strip the top off the carb and fix
the problem.

My point is whilst I and many here can and have done those sorts of
things by the roadside and under less than ideal conditions, many
can't and when they can't they can really be in trouble, even if it's
simply parked up on the hard shoulder of a motorway or down some dark
country lane with something as simple as a puncture (assuming it
wasn't driven on for miles at speed and then became a blowout etc).
;-( [1]

So, all of our cars and vans have a spare wheel but because not
everyone who drives them would be able to change a wheel safely, at
night, in the dark and in the rain, I think it's a 'good idea',
especially if you amortized the cost over the number of miles a set of
tyres typically last, that they might just be saved from such a risk
in the first place by the addition of a few quids worth of sealant. In
fact, I can't see why everyone in such circumstances or even if they
aren't, doesn't do it?

Now, one reason might be because not everone knows about such stuff
... or they confuse the negative thoughts surrounding the 'get you
home' cans (like 'they don't work' or 'you can't repair a tyre
afterwards') with the lack of those negatives with the likes of
Punctureseal.

It's not a 'should I carry a torch', it's a 'should I put my safety
belt on or not' choice (IMHO anyway). ;-)

As I said, all our cars and vans have spare tyres (and I try to ensure
they also carry a foot pump and telescopic wheel brace and torch etc)
I am more comforted to know that 'my girls' may never have need to use
them, just for the quick and simple application of a bit of sealant
(daughter did her Corsa and Van herself in the road (in the warm, dry
and daylight g) in about 20 mins each).

Just to be clear here, I've never suggested that Punctureseal (as
that's the only one I have long term experience of) can (should) or
will work in every instance, just that I've not had a puncture (that I
know of and with fingers crossed etc) in any tyre I've treated with it
and not lost any air in any of the 5 or so punctures I've used it to
repair retrospectively.

'Of course' many tyre places aren't going to offer you such ...
because they want to sell you tyres and charge for puncture repairs
but I understand there are many organisations who install it as std,
simply because the want to protect their own interests etc.

Cheers, T i m

[1] Years ago the Mrs picked me up from the station and as soon as we
pulled away I heard the anti-static strap rubbing on the ground and
that told me something wasn't right. I got her to stop and a quick
look round the car revealed a partially deflated rear tyre. I believe
if I was driving the vehicle I would have felt it. ;-( So I pumped it
up, we got home and I applied Punctureseal outside the house (still
wearing my suite g). The tyre was still on the car when I finally
broke it many years later. ;-)

http://www.punctureseal.com/document...est-Report.pdf


Feck you nearly got to the end without mentioning spunkyseal again...
--
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On Sun, 31 Dec 2017 12:40:13 +0000, "dennis@home"
wrote:

On 31/12/2017 12:24, T i m wrote:

I repeat, can you please cite me the regulations that condemn the use
of such a sealant in the UK?

https://www.blackcircles.com/tyres/b...ct-2-contiseal

Cheers, T i m


Quote

Not designed to be driven when flat,

No!?!

under inflated

No!?!

or as a permanent
puncture repair.

"The Continental Premium Contact 2 ContiSeal is a run flat tyre,
designed for fitment on luxury and mid sized vehicles.@

Go figure ...

And as you say, how do you determine that (that you have had a
puncture ... and it's just them protecting their backs IMHO).

Or maybe whatever Continental use isn't as good as Punctureseal?

But let's see what they say:

https://blobs.continental-tires.com/...oad-1-data.pdf

"Upon discovering a puncture, a tyre specialist must promptly check
the tyre."

You can see it now ... you walk into any tyre fitters and say "Could
you check and see if any of my tyres have punctures please?" If they
actually walk out and maybe feel round your tyres, and find nothing
.... what next, take them all off and put them in their water tank?

Do you do the same the next day?

It is your responsibility (as the driver) to ensure all your road
wheels and tyres are roadworthy at all times, including presumably,
any damage done to any tyre, irrespective if it has a puncture or not?

It is my suggestion that 'prevention is better than cure' and a tyre
with a slow puncture is potentially more dangerous than one with a
more obvious one (inside of a blowout etc).

Still waiting for the law on the subject, confirming your assertion
that the use of a sealant was / could be 'illegal'?

"Its not an approved method of repair AFAIK so it makes it illegal to
drive on the tyre or at least not for long."

Maybe you (like many others) confabulate a 'Get you home' solution
with a pre-emptive / permanent one?

Cheers, T i m

On Sun, 31 Dec 2017 12:46:48 +0000, Roger Mills
wrote:

On 31/12/2017 11:56, dennis@home wrote:
On 30/12/2017 18:49, TheChief wrote:


Can't help thinking that the number of call outs for their
services will have increased with the introduction of these cost
saving devices.


It probably hasn't made any difference as most people can't change their
wheels anyway.


Is it a generational thing?

Maybe it is, unless unchecked?

At 75, I can still swap all 4 wheels on a
Volvo V70 with my winter set in under an hour.

And assuming you still have reasonable strength (plus the right tools,
like a spider or extending breaker bar), mobility and some common
sense / experience, there is no reason why you shouldn't.

One of the things I've done with most of my friends and family is to
oversee *them* changing a wheel, just in case. I'm hoping that even if
they change cars and we don't repeat the exercise, they still might be
confident enough to do it if push came to shove.

Same with our daughter and her installing Punctureseal in all her
vehicles. 1) They are hers and 2) she then knows how to do it safely
and 3) I'll not be here for ever. ;-)

With her Transit Connect, my *experience* of such things suggested we
should check that we / she can get the spare wheel out and we found we
could, but only just. The lowering mech was all jammed up and we had
to replace it. Then I made sure she fitted the spare wheel back, with
the tools I linked to on eBay because they were all missing.

I also got her to (grease then) use the supplied jack, rather than
getting my trolley jack because that would be all she had when out and
about. This also included tips for ensuring the jack was in the right
place, upright, extended close to the right height away from the
vehicle and only jacking the vehicle up enough to get the wheel clear.
To put the unused wheel under the right place on the vehicle to reduce
the risk should something slip or fail, how to align and lift / hold
with your knees, how to first run the nuts / studs up by hand and then
just nipping them up before lowering the vehicle onto the tyre
slightly to be able to tighten it a bit more (diagonally) before
lowering it fully to the ground for a final tighten.

We also printed the tyre pressures off with the Dymo label maker and
put them in the drivers door jam so you don't have to rummage though
the handbook to find the right pressures for the right tyre size /
average usage etc.

Luckily for her, all my 'precautions' and her willingness to be
involved paid off when she damaged the sidewall and the Punctureseal
wasn't able to help her. By the time I got to her she had the spare
wheel out and ready (but still under the van), the van jacked up and
she was just lifting the wheel off. She had managed to find a safe
place to limp into (as the tyre was already written off) so I just
oversaw her putting the spare on etc. She also helped when we removed
the damaged tyre, transferred the Punctureseal, fitted the spare, got
it balanced and put it back under the van. ;-)


Cheers, T i m

On Sun, 31 Dec 2017 12:59:01 +0000 (GMT+00:00), jim k wrote:

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[1] Years ago the Mrs picked me up from the station and as soon as we
pulled away I heard the anti-static strap rubbing on the ground and
that told me something wasn't right. I got her to stop and a quick
look round the car revealed a partially deflated rear tyre. I believe
if I was driving the vehicle I would have felt it. ;-( So I pumped it
up, we got home and I applied Punctureseal outside the house (still
wearing my suite g). The tyre was still on the car when I finally
broke it many years later. ;-)

http://www.punctureseal.com/document...est-Report.pdf


Feck you nearly got to the end without mentioning spunkyseal again...


Erm, did you note the topic of this thread:

"Comments on Spare Wheel Alternatives".

I really can't think of a better place to discuss tyre sealants that
that!

And also I'd imagine you (with yer short attention span and yer
Twitter lifestyle) might need a specific product recommendation
signposted a few times to help you understand they aren't all created
equal?

We have already had the 'You can't clean the sealants out of the tyres
so they can't then be repaired professionally' when (at least one that
I have looked at so far) main makers states that's not true.

So, to stop these urban myths getting incorrectly repeated, we have to
make sure even the slowest person 'get's it'. ;-)

Cheers, T i m